Condoms in Porn... Measure B/Bill AB 1576/Prop 60 (page 17)

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whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 2:24AM pringles wrote: ^^ Things are looking good right now with 34% reporting. Far better than I ever anticipated. I don't have the answer to your question either. Nothing so far as I know. The Cal/OSHA regulations are already scheduled to be looked at again come January. AHF already submitted their proposal for what they want to see in it. It isn't as tough as Prop 60. In fact, it's not as thorough as the previous 5193.1 proposal that failed earlier this year. FSC's proposal isn't going to go far because it is less effective than the federal standard. Cal/OSHA can't adopt it. A reminder is probably needed again as well that even if Prop 60 fails tonight, condoms are still required under the existing 5193. Click to expand Yeah, this prop vote is easily the second most surprising vote of the night, if it holds. Condoms are still going to be end up being required and more thoroughly enforced, probably by the end of 2017 or so, but I think the penalties are going to end up being much less draconian than they would have been if Prop 60 passes. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 11/9/2016 2:30:34 AM [Link]
Philly30 Member 54 Posts 8/04	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 2:30AM I thought Prop 60 would pass, Clinton would win, Dems would take senate. I believe this qualifies me to be an expert TV pundit [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 3:33AM Looks like Prop. 60 has lost. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 3:58AM ^ The funny thing is that, if the current results hold, LA County will have actually ended up voting Yes on Prop 60, and the rest of the state will have overruled them. [Link]

cubbiefanoc Member 474 Posts 4/15	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 11:19AM ^ I agree that most of California voted No on Prop 60. However, the following counties (all in SoCal) did vote for in favor of the Prop in addition to LA County: LA County 51.4 yes 48.6 no San Bernardino County 55.1 yes 44.9 no (The largest county in size in the US - heavily populated close to LA but sparsely populated in the Mojave Desert) Riverside County 52.3 yes 47.7 no (Includes Palm Springs) Imperial County 59.2 yes 41.8 no (Very sparsely populated. Borders Mexico) [Link]
kinguntermensch Senior Member 1260 Posts 7/14	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 12:15PM ^ what does that mean? will it pass in those areas? [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 12:31PM ^ No, for a ballot initiative to pass it has to win a majority across the entire state. Prop. 60 has failed to do that. It will not become the law anywhere in California. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 12:52PM --- FSC's Leue: Every Voice Made a Difference (Xbiz) This was written before the results were in. --- Calif. Voters Reject Prop 60 (Xbiz) --- FSC Issues Statement on Defeat of Prop 60 (Xbiz) --- APAC Celebrates Results of #NoProp60 (Xbiz) --- Chanel Preston: Thank you to everyone who helped make the Prop 60 defeat possible. I am so happy to see performer voices make such a difference. I hope we can continue this momentum and work to create an even stronger, more well-informed, and proud community. @apacsocial --- Tasha Reign: I'm really proud of our industry for coming together and our #voices do matter. [Link]
Lone Wolf Senior Member LANA means ANAL :) 9658 Posts 4/11	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 2:19PM No to condoms in our porn! [Link]
epistimonas Senior Member 2570 Posts 6/15	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 2:36PM ^ YES [Link]
cubbiefanoc Member 474 Posts 4/15	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 2:40PM ^^^^^^ Additional info after the original post above: 54 out of 58 counties voted no on Prop 60. The state of CA takes election results from all counties, combines them, and arrives at a total (yes or no) for the entire state. For a proposition to become law, it must get a majority of yes votes. Prop 60 did not get a majority vote: 46% yes -- 54 % no. Edited by - cubbiefanoc on 11/9/2016 2:41:04 PM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 7:03PM It is amazing they won with the money that AHF spent and the massive bias against sex workers and porn. An encouraging result for sure. [Link]
fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 7:05PM ^Power of social media. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 9 2016 : 8:44PM ^ The win was the result of more than social media. They really ramped up other avenues in the last few weeks. Tasha Reign's college tour. Dozens of performers marching to AHF headquarters. Perhaps a dozen performers writing articles in various publications. Radio debates and appearances. Public events to answer questions. The coordinated blocking of visitors to adult sites coming from California IP addresses. Handing out leaflets and talking to shoppers at L.A. farmers markets. Many of those above generated their own press coverage. --- Stagliano: Prop 60 Defeated Thanks to Porn Activists (Xbiz) [Link]

killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 12:02AM I think the tipping point was when Prop 60 started getting negative press from so many non-porn publications. Newspapers, magazines, websites, TV stations, tons of them came out against Prop 60 in the past couple of weeks. At some point the information started getting out that Prop 60 was not a good idea, even if you hated porn with every fibre of your being. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 12:08AM ^ That was a point that I tried to make earlier in the thread, that they had enough major organizations that had come out as against Prop 60, they just needed to find a way to spread that message beyond just using social media. And thankfully, they did. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 4:12AM Yeah LA Times and the Public Health Authority all came out against this. Awesome. [Link]
Fknzz Deactivated User 525 Posts 8/16	Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 5:08AM Really good news, now we can keep fapping to our hearts content with hot babes taking dicks without ugly condoms. And if Trump doesn't decide one day to change the porn industry then its all good. [Link]
epistimonas Senior Member 2570 Posts 6/15	Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 7:51AM ^ LOL [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 11:51AM Good news and time to catch our breath... for now. Darth Weinstein will be back again. [Link]
kinguntermensch Senior Member 1260 Posts 7/14	Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 1:03PM But next time the people will be even more informed, so this was probably his last shot at winning. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 10:48PM ^^ For right now, the fight will just go back to where it has been for the past 3-5 years (or more), the Cal-OSHA board. Though I would also say that the fact that Prop 60 won LA County means that he might try to get something more draconian than Measure B on the ballot there again. [Link]
Gonsava76 Senior Member I really love Gabbie Carter, Amber Moore, Julia Ann, Allie Haze & Raylene!!! 1301 Posts 8/08	Posted - Nov 11 2016 : 10:26PM I don't like condoms in porn because looks fake, unreal!!!😐😐😐 ... By GonSavA76! [Link]
morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3628 Posts 1/03	Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 3:15AM Mister Fahrenheit wrote: You're right I guess it is fairly typical for the New York Times. They're always going off on tangents about how Barack Obama and Mitch McConnell are "fully dressed." Click to expand They're really obsessed about fashion. [Link]

Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 11:29AM ^ That's from the fashion section dude. It's written by the NYTimes Chief Fashion Critic. Show me an article from the normal politics section where they spend time discussing attire in a way that is similar at all to that Cal-OSHA article did. [Link]
brummie1 Member 567 Posts 6/14	Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 6:53PM Get in Cali You did great [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 14 2016 : 11:24PM --- Prop 60 contribution totals from the Secretary of State as of 11/08/16: $4,637,830 AHF's Yes on 60 $ 546,332 FSC's No on 60 --- A few final contributions to the No on 60 campaign: $2,660 Treasure Island Media $ 350 Vivid --- Kink.com's Insurer Must Pay Porn HIV Litigation Costs - Judge (Xbiz) A federal judge yesterday told Kink.com's insurer that it can't avoid covering litigation costs over performers infected with HIV. Atain Specialty Insurance Company sued Kink.com CEO Peter Acworth and Armory Studios LLC last year, claiming that he and his studio's property must cover his own legal bills and possible settlements in three suits filed by HIV-infected former performers Cameron Bay, Rod Daily and an unidentified John Doe. more at the link above --- FSC Calls Meeting in Wake of Prop 60 (Xbiz) Could they have given less notice in advance for this? FSC is holding a meeting with industry stakeholders tomorrow to discuss the upcoming Cal/OSHA regulations and the possibility of obscenity prosecutions under the Trump administration. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Nov 14 2016 : 11:36PM pringles wrote: --- FSC Calls Meeting in Wake of Prop 60 (Xbiz) Could they have given less notice in advance for this? FSC is holding a meeting with industry stakeholders tomorrow to discuss the upcoming Cal/OSHA regulations and the possibility of obscenity prosecutions under the Trump administration. Click to expand Correct me if I'm wrong, but both the Cal-OSHA meeting and Trump's inauguration aren't until January. So I don't see why you'd call a meeting right now with 2 days notice, unless you're worried about something like performers traveling for Thanksgiving next week. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 15 2016 : 12:04AM ^ Correct. Trump's inauguration is January 20th and the Cal/OSHA meeting is on January 31st. They gave less than 24 hours notice. [Link]
cubbiefanoc Member 474 Posts 4/15	Posted - Nov 15 2016 : 6:28AM LA Times Post Prop 60 Article [Link]
kinguntermensch Senior Member 1260 Posts 7/14	Posted - Nov 15 2016 : 9:41AM So Trump winning is bad for porn? [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 15 2016 : 11:30AM ^ Trump signed The Children's Internet Safety Presidential Pledge (PDF) in July. It calls for more obscenity prosecutions and a Presidential Commission on internet pornography. The Obama administration disbanded the Obscenity Prosecution Task Force (OPTF) in 2011. It was created in 2005 under the Bush administration. New obscenity prosecutions were stopped but existing cases were allowed to continue. Max Hardcore, Ira Isaacs and John Stagliano were among the cases brought by the OPTF. President Reagan had the Attorney General's Commission on Pornography, also known as the Meese Commission, in the 1980's. President Lyndon B. Johnson had the President's Commission on Obscenity and Pornography. [Link]
kinguntermensch Senior Member 1260 Posts 7/14	Posted - Nov 15 2016 : 1:11PM So he wants to ban all kinds of porn forever? [Link]
AggieGuy Member 357 Posts 7/15	Posted - Nov 15 2016 : 6:39PM ^ A President can no more ban porn than he can ban the New York Times or Fox News. Edited by - aggieguy on 11/15/2016 11:49:54 PM [Link]

Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Nov 15 2016 : 7:52PM ^ The government can harass porn out of business, as it has unlimited money and resources, by bringing lawsuit after lawsuit on obscenity charges. I'm sure the red states have many venues who would welcome a good old obscenity trial witch-hunt. And, now that Trump and the right-wing will get to appoint the next SCOTUS justice, and possibly more, they will have it in their power to impose their views on the rest of us -- and sustain it in the courts. [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Nov 15 2016 : 8:02PM Also, Trump has repeatedly said that he would "open up our libel laws" if he became president to make it easier to sue news organizations for unfavorable coverage. Want to bet that The New York Times (remember "New York Times v. Sullivan") would be his first target? [Link]
Philly30 Member 54 Posts 8/04	Posted - Nov 15 2016 : 11:49PM pringles wrote: ^ Trump signed The Children's Internet Safety Presidential Pledge (PDF) in July. It calls for more obscenity prosecutions and a Presidential Commission on internet pornography. The Obama administration disbanded the Obscenity Prosecution Task Force (OPTF) in 2011. It was created in 2005 under the Bush administration. New obscenity prosecutions were stopped but existing cases were allowed to continue. Max Hardcore, Ira Isaacs and John Stagliano were among the cases brought by the OPTF. President Reagan had the Attorney General's Commission on Pornography, also known as the Meese Commission, in the 1980's. President Lyndon B. Johnson had the President's Commission on Obscenity and Pornography. Click to expand So he signed a pledge, that means nothing. It is called pandering to get votes Edited by - philly30 on 11/15/2016 11:52:02 PM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 16 2016 : 2:40AM ^ People are so naive. There hasn't been a Republican administration which hasn't pursued porn prosecutions. It is an easy win with their base. Yet everytime the GOP get in there are always naysayers on here claiming that somehow history won't repeat itself. Laughable. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 16 2016 : 12:46PM --- FSC Calls Meeting in Wake of Prop 60 (Xbiz) Click to expand Prop 60 Is in Rearview Mirror at All-Industry Meeting (Xbiz) In a nutshell: 1) If Prop 60 had passed, a litigation plan was in place, financed by John Stagliano. 2) Cal/OSHA is the next fight. 3) A new effort to initiate discussion with the L.A. County Health Department with regards to Measure B will be lead by FSC's Eric Paul Leue. 4) Vivid's Steve Hirsch expressed disappointment that some "major, major" players in the industry "let us down" with regards to funding to fight Prop 60. I have to believe he was referring to Larry Flynt. Xbiz didn't report any discussion with regards to potential obscenity prosecutions. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 16 2016 : 4:52PM ^ Mark Kernes' article has more details. FSC Holds Meeting to Recap Prop 60 Fight & Discuss Plans for the Future (AVN) Steve Hirsch was referring to Larry Flynt. Hirsch: "The main person that comes to mind for me is Larry Flynt and Hustler. They gave exactly zero dollars, and that is after numerous attempts were made, begging, cajoling, asking to please support us. ... There were others, but to me, that just stands out." It also sounds as if the FSC is considering strengthening the industry's testing standards, to require rectal and throat swabs, as a bargaining chip with Cal/OSHA to allow for condoms. These currently aren't done because of the cost. I'm not sure how they get around that. And who pays? Mark Kernes expressed disappointment that only 60 people showed up. That's pretty good given the short notice. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 16 2016 : 5:27PM Only $350 from Vivid? Not sure Hirsch has much to brag about there although to be fair Vivid does seem to be on life support. Edited by - BlackSix on 11/16/2016 5:28:58 PM [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Nov 16 2016 : 7:25PM BlackSix wrote: Only $350 from Vivid? Not sure Hirsch has much to brag about there although to be fair Vivid does seem to be on life support. Edited by - BlackSix on 11/16/2016 5:28:58 PM Click to expand That's not 350 total. That's 350 since the last time he posted the contributions, I believe. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 16 2016 : 8:05PM ^ Correct. Over the course of the campaign, Vivid gave $29K and non-monetary support valued at another $10K. The funding I've detailed to date has all been the monetary contributions as it came in drip by drip. [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Nov 17 2016 : 1:04AM ^ Do you have a link to the final totals? If a company I subscribe to was lagging, I'll mention it in any customer surveys they offer. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 17 2016 : 3:35AM Haha that makes more sense thanks for the correction. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 18 2016 : 11:22AM ^^ No, but I hope to have something shortly that's better than what's available now. Hang tight. --- jessica drake, Verta, Veruca James and Siouxsie Q represented the industry at yesterday's Cal/OSHA Standards Board public meeting. There was no scheduled discussion of the issue, they were just there to show they are engaged and to ask for their help in January. [Link]
pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 11:11AM There's some discrepencies but this should give everyone a good idea as to who helped fight Prop 60. Where contributions are related to a particular organization, they are listed together under that company name people are familiar with. For example, the donations from Adam & Eve's founder Phil Harvey and parent company PHE Inc. are listed together as Adam & Eve. Clips4Sale is used rather than Tropical MBC LLC, etc. Where contributions came from someone apparently unrelated to the industry, OR the name appeared to be the real name of a performer that couldn't be identified by a stage name, I've left them out. ##### - There's a 497 filing for these entries but no matching entry in the State's spreadsheet & online listing of contributions. It's unclear whether these are monetary or non-monetary donations. There should be one more 497 filing coming to clear things up. *** - This money appears to be related to MindGeek (formerly Manwin). The AHF has filed a complaint with the California Fair Political Practices Commission over it. Major non-monetary contributors include Kink, the California Democratic Party, the Free Speech Coalition, Treasure Island Media and Vivid. Others include Dee Severe, Penthouse Global Media, Evil Angel, AEBN, Wicked Sensual Care, Clips4Sale and Amateur Allure. Prop 60 Monetary Contributors $75,000 Global Personals & related companies (MindGeek?) * $48,047 Evil Angel $48,024 Wicked Pictures $43,493 Team Skeet ##### $34,000 Adam & Eve $32,524 Vivid Entertainment $25,000 Multimedia LLC (Porn Pros?) $10,024 AEBN $10,000 New Sensations $9,995 Mark Spiegler (talent agent) $8,048 Kink $5,000 Pure Play Media $5,000 Pulse Pictures LLC (Pulse Distribution) $5,000 Pipedream Products #####** $5,000 Flirt4Free $5,000 Zero Tolerance $5,000 California Exotic Novelties $3,219 Clips4Sale $3,000 Greater Than Data (data analytics) $2,500 Great Western Packaging $2,000 HotMovies $1,609 Amateur Allure $1,500 Grooby $1,000 Jeffrey Douglas (FSC Board Chair) $1,000 VideoBox $1,000 Gamelink $1,000 MetArt $1,000 Penthouse Global Media Inc. $1,000 Tasha Reign (performer) $1,000 LATATA (Licensed Adult Talent Agency Trade Association) $1,000 Joel Kaminsky (FSC Board & Good Vibrations CEO) $1,000 Galactica Fusion Inc. $1,000 Homie LLC $750 Mike Adriano $500 Mobius Payments $500 ESPLER Project (Erotic Service Provider Legal, Educational and Research Project) $475 Larry Garland (FSC Board VP & Eldorado Trading CEO) $250 Reed Lee (FSC Board & 1st Amendment lawyer) $250 Xbiz $160 Julia Ann (performer) $160 Previtus Media (Smoking Boyz, gay porn studio) $100 EON Reality (virtual reality software developer) $100 Olivia Austin (performer) $100 Dee Severe (performer) $100 Wasteland.com [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 11:37AM ^ As I thought, the two companies I subscribe to most frequently (HardX and JJV) seem to have sat this one out. Obviously Mason herself could have donated under her own real name, but there's nothing there from Gamma. Very disappointing. [Link]
cubbiefanoc Member 474 Posts 4/15	Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 12:50PM ^Noticed the same thing regarding Gamma/Mile High. They likely weren't allowed to contribute due to being a Canadian company. Edited by - cubbiefanoc on 11/20/2016 12:51:06 PM [Link]
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Member Meh 4655 Posts 10/13	Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 1:10PM ^ That might be. But what about MindGeek? Aren't they based in Germany? [Link]