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pringles All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 27 2016 : 12:20PM
^^
It's absolutely possible. Porn is already being shot in other places. You might want to read this post though and the two links in it regarding legal concerns with shooting porn outside California.
AggieGuy
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Posted - Sep 27 2016 : 7:41PM
They can move for a while, but there are two issues.
It is technically legal only to shoot porn in California and IIRC, New Hampshire. I would imagine if other state laws were challenged in court, they would be struck down on free speech grounds. Most states would likely not enforce the law because it would be a waste of time and money to fight it out in court. However, nothing would stop the states from turning around and imposing draconian "heath and safety" standards to keep porn production out.
We already know the real goal of the AHF is to shut down all US porn production. They will simply go to each state and try this same shit again. Will probably happen in Florida and Nevada next year.
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kinguntermensch
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 : 3:35AM
How does this get decided? Californians vote? Or is there a jury of 10 people in a court? I'm German I have no idea how it works in other countries
 
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 : 7:44AM
^ All Californians vote on it, the same day as the presidential election.
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 : 8:13AM
In America, Californians will vote, then it will be litigated in court (probably for years) -- no matter which side "wins."
Then, once a court ruling is decided, it will be appealed
Of course, if we actually elect Trump and the GOP retains the United States Senate, they will get to place a reactionary "Conservative" justice on the Supreme Court.
THEN, we can repeat this all over again, in state after state, and the right-wingers will do everything they can to fast-track it to the Supreme Court.
Of course, if a saner electorate elects Clinton, and she gets to appoint a left-of-center moderate/liberal to the Supreme Court as the "swing" 5th justice, the right-wingers will do everything they can to turn it into a "state's rights" issue -- and then repeat this all over again, in state after state [o\|]
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 : 11:57AM
L.A. Times editorial board: Heavy-handed Proposition 60 would deputize every Californian as a condom cop
"What unites them - and us - is the belief that Proposition 60 is not the right way to address the safety of this small group of workers. Not when the California Division of Occupational Health and Safety is working to develop safety standards specifically to protect adult-film performers from exposure to blood borne pathogens through bodily fluids."
more at the link above
kinguntermensch
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 : 12:08PM
^^ so november won't be the end for condoms in porn even if prop 60 wins? it could take years before its made official?
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Posted - Sep 29 2016 : 4:45PM
These are the commercials that aired during the presidential debate.
Cameron Bay (YouTube)
Derrick Burts (YouTube)
--- Here's the latest contribution totals from the Secretary of State as of 9/27/16:
$2,887,830 AHF's Yes on 60
$ 348,071 FSC's No on 60
--- Here's the latest contributions to the No on 60 campaign:
$15,948 California Democratic Party
$10,000 Vivid
$ 4,663 Treasure Island Media
$ 1,000 Jeffrey Douglas (FSC Board Chair)
$ 1,000 Robert Beban (COO, Meta Interfaces LLC)
pringles All-Star Supporter
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--- California's Fair Political Practices Commission has opened an investigation into the No on 60 campaign for allegedly accepting illegal foreign contributions. (Yes on 60 PDF)
--- Ventura County Star editorial board: Prop. 60 is poorly written; vote no
"We already have a law - although it is not adequately enforced - to meet the health issues addressed here. This proposal is overly broad and creates bad law under the guise of doing good. We recommend a no vote on Proposition 60."
--- The California Nurses Associaton has endorsed Prop 60.
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Posted - Oct 4 2016 : 11:43AM
--- Here's the latest contribution totals from the Secretary of State as of 10/2/16.
AHF put just under $2 million into the Yes on 60 PAC in September.
$3,787,830 AHF's Yes on 60
$369,703 FSC's No on 60
--- Prop. 60: Require adult film actors to use condoms (San Francisco Chronicle)
San Francisco attorney Sandra Ribera Speed represents three performers who are suing Kink.com.
--- Porn Star Visits Colleges to Decry Safe Sex Measure (L.A. Weekly)
"Porn star Tasha Reign has had enough of the AHF's mission to make on-set sex safe. This month she's embarking on a college tour to let students know about Proposition 60, the initiative that would double down on regulations requiring prophylactics in California porn."
Tasha's schedule:
Today: UC Santa Barbara
Monday: UC San Diego
Oct. 11: Cal State Long Beach
Oct. 18: UC Riverside
Oct. 24: San Diego State University
Oct. 25: TBA
Oct 31: Cal State Northridge
Nov. 1: TBA
Nov. 7: TBA
pringles All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 7 2016 : 11:11AM
^ Chanel Preston is also speaking at some of these events.
--- The Santa Barbara Independent has endorsed Prop 60.
"Really, it's come to this, a ballot initiative on regulating whether porn actors must wear condoms? The answer, obviously, is yes. Prop. 60 is on the ballot because the porn industry fled Los Angeles County when the supervisors there enacted a condom requirement on porn performers for health and safety reasons. Those health concerns are real. The porn industry says its customers, who spend $9 billion yearly on their products, don't like condoms. By making this requirement statewide, Prop. 60 puts the porn industry on notice that there's no place to hide ​- ​at least in California."
--- Los Angeles Daily News: No to law on porn condoms, Prop. 60
--- Monterey County Herald: Voters should reject Prop. 60, requiring adult film performers to wear condoms - or else.
"Proposition 60 is worse than the industry it ostensibly wants to clean up. Voters should reject it."
--- Outsourcing porn: Would California initiative really protect adult film workers-or expose them to starker dangers? (Sacramento News & Review)
Sacramento-area porn couple could be among those targeted by deputized condom cops
--- FSC's Siouxsie Q Debates Prop 60 on KQED (Xbiz)
She debated John Schwada, the communications director for the Yes on Prop 60 campaign.
kinguntermensch
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Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 9:48AM
What? Is that the actual account of the dude running Prop 60?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 9:54AM
No, it is a cynical, yet factual, explanation of how our "justice system" works
 
pringles All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 10:13AM
^^
AHF has only said they'll follow the industry to any states they relocate to. They've already done this to a limited extent in Florida and Nevada.
Edited by - pringles on 10/8/2016 10:20:11 AM
kinguntermensch
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Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 12:38PM
^ So we will never ever see non condom porn in the United States again?
Is it possible that the industry moves to Canada over the next years? Or is all hope lost?
AggieGuy
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Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 12:42PM
^ The AHF's goal is to drive all porn production out of the US. They know condom porn will not sell very well, so most companies will simply shut down. There might be one or two companies left who fill a niche, but that's it.
A literal ban is impossible, but like everything else, they're using government regulation and the courts to enact a defacto ban by making the business untenable.
kinguntermensch
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Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 12:55PM
Why is a literal ban impossible? Nobody wants to risk the punishments
AggieGuy
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Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 1:14PM
^ Simply passing a law that says "porn is illegal" (think alcohol prohibition type of ban) would be ruled as violation of the 1st amendment.
However, making porn impossible to produce via regulations is a defacto ban and will likely not be blocked by the courts.
cubbiefanoc
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Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 11:07PM
Informative article written by Eric Paul Leue, the head of the Free Speech Coalition:
Prop 60: Why The Battle Doesn't Stop At California
Does anyone know which adult producers are considering blocking the IPs of California residents if Prop 60 passes, per what Eric discusses in the article?
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Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 11:40PM
First of all Porn with condoms will sell fine, there are already studios that use Condoms, Second the law just like the law passed in LA will be contested in court and most likely be unenforceable like it is now. Even in the article above it says Measure B is neutered. No reason to think this will end up any differently. Yes i Know if Trump gets elected and conservative judges get Appointed then the Supreme Court would uphold the law. Trump has zero chance of winning
From above "However, making porn impossible to produce via regulations is a defacto ban and will likely not be blocked by the courts."
really? ok based on what?, like i said even the fear mongering article states Measure B is neutered
But of course it is better that none of the lawsuits are necessary and the Prop gets defeated but i think we all know it will most likely pass
Edited by - philly30 on 10/8/2016 11:45:53 PM
Edited by - philly30 on 10/8/2016 11:47:33 PM
Edited by - philly30 on 10/9/2016 12:03:15 AM
cubbiefanoc
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Posted - Oct 9 2016 : 1:02AM
^ I am aware of only one condom company that produces porn in California that sells at a pretty good clip: Wicked. The key difference between Measure B and Prop 60 is the lawsuit capability. Measure B depended on complaints being filed against the company. Cal/OSHA did not take the initiative. OSHA depends on a complaint being filed that they then investigate. The party that filed has no financial incentive to file the complaint. In contrast, Prop 60 depends on California citizens to file a complaint with OSHA. OSHA has a certain period to investigate the complaint which will cause the producers to spend money on the providing information to OSHA. If they don't investigate within the time period, the citizen has the ability to file a lawsuit against everyone that had a financial stake in the film.
I am not a lawyer but I always thought you had to have a legal standing to file a lawsuit. How could a CA citizen who has not been damaged by a performer by not wearing a condom be able to file a lawsuit? It seems like the courts would strike that section from the proposition immediately.
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Posted - Oct 9 2016 : 4:10AM
Those involved already could fill a complaint there would be no purpose to reiterate this, therefore that rule is meant exactly to allow any "citizen" to pursue anybody involved in a porn movie , or allowing even the catering guy to pursue them for security reasons (OMG I shook my bare hands with someone involved in a porn who was potentially infected and he wasn't wearing gloves , I could see naked people with no condoms there, he put me at risk against my will), or maybe even the AHF itself the very same way you could call 911 during a robbery or a rape , if they do not intervene you can pursue them for dereliction or neglection of duty or something like that, even whem you're not the one involved , as you don't want lazy or negligent policemen watching over your neighborhood
In other words almost every righteous citizen in CA who is related or involved with AHF, will fill so many complaints that the system would hit badly everybody just to be left in peace
does this make sense?

Edited by - LCF on 10/9/2016 4:14:57 AM

kinguntermensch
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Posted - Oct 9 2016 : 9:21AM
As a porn fan, do I want Clinton or Trump to win? I am German so I don't care that much what they wanna do, except for the porn part.
 
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Posted - Oct 9 2016 : 10:09AM
^
I doubt either is even aware of Prop 60 and this has the potential to take the thread off topic. I think we should move on.
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kinguntermensch
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Posted - Oct 10 2016 : 8:24AM
Are there any good european sites? Do you think they could take over the industry?
tintintin
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Posted - Oct 10 2016 : 3:43PM
The main porn in Europe is from Hungary with beautifull girls who only say aaahhhh and ohhhhh
pringles All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 10 2016 : 4:28PM
AVN reports the FSC has asked for a date and location change.
Cal/OSHA to Discuss Adult Film Standards on Nov. 10 (Xbiz)
The "Bloodborne Pathogens Exposure in the Adult Film Industry Advisory Meeting" will be held Thursday, Nov. 10, at 10 a.m., lasting until 3:30 p.m. at the Elihu Harris State Building, 1515 Clay St., 2nd floor, Room 1, in Oakland, Calif.
kinguntermensch
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Posted - Oct 10 2016 : 5:15PM
Are colette and legalporno american porn sites too?
cubbiefanoc
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Posted - Oct 10 2016 : 10:46PM
^ The owners of Colette/X-Art (Brigham Field and his wife Colette) are US based but do shoot in Europe, too. They will frequently take American models out of the US and shoot them in exotic locations similar to what In The Crack does.
Edited by - cubbiefanoc on 10/10/2016 10:49:12 PM
kinguntermensch
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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 3:27AM
^ Does Prop 6 effect them?
kinguntermensch
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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 6:54AM
Brazzers is Canada??? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pornographic_film_studios
So they are safe or what?
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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 10:12AM
^
Brazzers is based in Montreal.
What matters is where the scenes were filmed. If they were filmed in California, Prop 60 and/or 5193 would apply.
 
cubbiefanoc
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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 10:26AM
^^^ Yes, because they frequently shoot in So Cal. Colette/XArt used to be Malibu but they might have moved out of LA County when Measure B was passed. Like Pringles said, the key is the location. If anywhere in CA, condoms are required.
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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 10:31AM
Do you think scenes with dental dams will be watched? I wouldn't watch it, disgusting.
pringles All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 4:08PM
--- The San Francisco Green Party opposes Prop 60.
"we support better health care and testing regulations, and oppose criminalizing the sex industry"
--- Here's the latest contribution totals from the Secretary of State as of 10/9/16:
$4,587,830 AHF's Yes on 60
$388,469 FSC's No on 60
--- Recent contributions to the No on 60 campaign:
$9,995 Mark Spiegler (Talent Agent)
$5,000 AEBN
$2,868 CyberNet Entertainment (Kink.com)
$2,500 Michael Warner (Great Western Packaging)
$2,000 William Dellara (Manager, Vivid Entertainment)
$1,000 Homie LLC
$1,000 Galactica Fusion Inc.
$1,000 Steven Gallon (CEO, Grooby)
$1,000 Alan Eigen (Producer)
$ 861 Vivid Entertainment
Also several thousand more from Treasure Island Media.
cubbiefanoc
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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 6:30PM
I live in CA and I haven't seen any ads for Prop 60. Makes me wonder what AHF is planning to do with all that money. I do see them advertising a lot for Prop 61, their drug bill, though. I received my CA Democratic Party Voting Suggestions postcard today with them urging a No on Prop 60 and no position on Prop 61.
Edited by - cubbiefanoc on 10/11/2016 6:32:47 PM
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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 8:19PM
^
From this thread, it looks like they're spending their money on high-viewership TV ads. which I think is a pretty good idea on their part. They bought time during the 1st Presidential debate, and I wouldn't be surprised if they started buying time during sporting events as well (though it looks like the Dodgers and Giants may be knocked out the playoffs soon).
Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 10/11/2016 8:20:17 PM
cubbiefanoc
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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 8:57PM
I have watched both debates and the analysis afterwards on CNN. No ads. There are a lot of political ads for AHF's other proposition though (Prop 61).
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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 10:08PM
^
I mean, it's possible that it didn't happen, or that it just wasn't on the channel you watched, but this is my source.
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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 10:10PM
^Probably run on the local network affiliates and not CNN, Fox News, Fox Business, MSNBC, CNN, or other national channels.
Edited by - aggieguy on 10/11/2016 10:11:13 PM
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Posted - Oct 12 2016 : 5:02AM
This is stupid. AHF has more many, therefore they win and make even more money. That's how the law works in the US? Damn.
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The "Golden Rule":
He who has the gold makes the rules.
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Posted - Oct 13 2016 : 3:04PM
--- APAC Challenges Weinstein to Debate Prop 60 (Xbiz)
""We challenge you to a debate - a performer versus the proponent - to help explain why you deserve a greater say in our sexual health than we do."
--- Prop. 60 isn't needed to protect porn actors (Sacramento Bee)
Op-ed by Chanel Preston and Jay Gladstein. Gladstein is an internal medicine/HIV specialist at UCLA School of Medicine and Cedars-Sinai Medical.
--- Prop. 60 is needed to protect the health of porn actors (Sacramento Bee)
Op-ed by Gary Richwald. He's the former director of the Los Angeles County STD Program.
cubbiefanoc
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Posted - Oct 14 2016 : 2:30AM
If my fellow Californians become informed, Prop 60 will not pass. Democrat voter guides, Republican voter guides and even Christian voter guides that I have seen so far are recommending a No vote on the prop.
kinguntermensch
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Posted - Oct 14 2016 : 4:47AM
Does everyone who votes read these voter guides?
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Posted - Oct 14 2016 : 10:59AM
^ No.
pringles All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 14 2016 : 11:17AM
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I highly doubt it. California's voters guide is a record 224 pages this year. There are 17 propositions in it.
You can read the Prop 60 Title, Summary and Analysis and Arguments and Rebuttals pages from the voters guide.
Edited by - pringles on 10/14/2016 11:18:37 AM
cubbiefanoc
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Posted - Oct 14 2016 : 1:15PM
I wasn't talking about the 224 page guide. I was sharing the postcard recommendations from political parties you get in the mail, along with Internet voter guides that lots of people are sharing on my Facebook feed. I haven't come across one voter guide that is advocating a Yes vote on 60. As for my original comment, the key is if they are informed voters. There are so many propositions on the ballot that they will only research the ones that directly impact the voter. It is the problem with Propositions. Uninformed voters make bad decisions. If the voter only reads the ballot summary on their ballot, it will easily pass because it focuses solely on wearing condoms and producers paying for testing. It doesn't go into the lawsuit issue that is causing most editorials, postcard recommendations, and Internet Voter Guides to come out as No on 60. The more conservative guides are against it because they hate any form of business regulation.
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