Girls in Tears

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Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 9:07PM No, no, no...this is not the thread that you may think it is. I just got done watching Kristina Rose's scene with Manuel in her Slutwoman movie. Wow. It's emotionally intense. Rose isn't 5 minutes into the scene and she's crying. Manuel plays it pretty cool and even at one point makes her stop because he doesn't want to feel like that. Many times he tells her not to cry, but she's feeling it hard. It's really beautiful and sweet and a little sad. A very special, unique scene. I loved it. To me, this is porn as art - arousing the senses and emotions. It is beyond compelling and I couldn't look away. The reviews I've read of the movie beforehand were written by men and not one mentioned this. They noted the sexual chemistry and the intensity, but nowhere did they mention tears. Did they not notice? Did they think it irrelevant? So help me with recs please. Has anyone seen anything like this scene elsewhere in porn? Just to make myself clear - I'm not talking about scenes with tears caused by cockgagging or choking or pain or shame. I just want a scene where the girl is so overwhelmed emotionally that she cries. Tall order in an industry where performers keep strong walls up to protect themselves. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 9:17PM Adrianna Nicole and (again) Manuel Ferrara in 'Fuck Slaves'. Real tears... Psychologically intense as fuck. Excellent scene. I think it fulfills the criteria you're looking for. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 9:27PM I love you. Thank you. I was worried that there would be no suggestions. [Link]
Aplus Senior Member 1431 Posts 5/05	Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 11:05PM Savoy wrote: No, no, no...this is not the thread that you may think it is. I just got done watching Kristina Rose's scene with Manuel in her Slutwoman movie. Wow. It's emotionally intense. Rose isn't 5 minutes into the scene and she's crying. Manuel plays it pretty cool and even at one point makes her stop because he doesn't want to feel like that. Many times he tells her not to cry, but she's feeling it hard. It's really beautiful and sweet and a little sad. A very special, unique scene. I loved it. To me, this is porn as art - arousing the senses and emotions. It is beyond compelling and I couldn't look away. The reviews I've read of the movie beforehand were written by men and not one mentioned this. They noted the sexual chemistry and the intensity, but nowhere did they mention tears. Did they not notice? Did they think it irrelevant? So help me with recs please. Has anyone seen anything like this scene elsewhere in porn? Just to make myself clear - I'm not talking about scenes with tears caused by cockgagging or choking or pain or shame. I just want a scene where the girl is so overwhelmed emotionally that she cries. Tall order in an industry where performers keep strong walls up to protect themselves. Click to expand I've noticed that a lot of little or big things tend to go unnoticed in male and female reviews. My guess is that men, and maybe the woman, don't want to get "that" emotionally involved. A lot of male fans dismiss anything that could be remotely seen as intimate. Just MO. Can't say I've seen that much or often. Actually I can only think of one time. It was in Janine's first boy/girl scene which was with Dale Dabone. Janine said she hadn't had set in a while, and couldn't help having a pretty big orgasm in the scene because of it. She wasn't really expecting it though, and tears flew right after it. The messed-up thing is that the director edited a lot of crying part out. I think the behind-the-scenes footage caught it better if I remember right. Not convinced most can be emotionally fucked to cause tears, but I do think I've seen some near moments over the years. Truthfully I think most women hold back some, even when it's really feeling good. That, or that guys stops, slows down, or pulls out before it gets really intense. I do think things could get really interesting though if performers were allowed or allowed themselves to keep going sometimes. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 11:20PM I called this scene intimate and strangely 'sweet' because of its unique personal intensity. I don't think I can think of another scene like it. Edited by - BlackSix on 11/10/2009 11:20:45 PM [Link]

Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:37AM Aplus wrote: I've noticed that a lot of little or big things tend to go unnoticed in male and female reviews. My guess is that men, and maybe the woman, don't want to get "that" emotionally involved. A lot of male fans dismiss anything that could be remotely seen as intimate. Just MO. Click to expand I think you're right. After Dubious' rec, I went and read a couple of reviews of "Fuck Slaves" and astroknight mentioned Nicole's crying. He wrote that it made him uncomfortable and felt that many would be turned off by it while a few would be drawn to it. I have a feeling that most men do not want to watch a woman cry from emotion in porn. In my personal life, tears during sex have made more uncomfortable than not. It's hard to assure someone who's been taught to never make a woman cry that those tears are a good thing. It is a release. I don't even think Manuel liked it since he kept telling her to stop or "Don't start with that" meaning the tears. And many men definitely don't want intimacy in their porn; even like porn because it boldly lacks intimacy. So once again, I'm searching for something that runs against the grain. :) Thanks for the scene mention. I'll have to hunt it down. Aplus wrote: Not convinced most can be emotionally fucked to cause tears, but I do think I've seen some near moments over the years. Truthfully I think most women hold back some, even when it's really feeling good. That, or that guys stops, slows down, or pulls out before it gets really intense. I do think things could get really interesting though if performers were allowed or allowed themselves to keep going sometimes. Click to expand You're right. It's the rare performer who is brave (or crazy) enough to be COMPLETELY naked - body and soul. I can totally respect performers protecting themselves emotionally. There has to be a disconnect or a person would be a mess and it is work sex. I don't expect to find a lot of this type of scene. And the thing with Slutwoman is that it didn't even get to penetration - it only took an embrace, eye contact, a few slaps and some whispered words. It was that intense and only grew from there. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 1:19AM ^Yeah, I fully agree with that analysis... Personally, I have to be in a more cerebral mood to watch that sort of thing - a need to feel emotionally engaged, and even challenged, which I don't always have when I just need to unload - it's a sense of the erotic, opposed to merely straight-forward visual sex representation. In regards to the Adrianna/Manuel scene in 'Fuck Slaves' - I point out, that I haven't seen that flick in maybe around 18 month - 2 years, but my recollection is that the key thing there is that it's definitely Adrianna that drives the emotion of the scene; I recall that she expresses that it's this intensity is what she craves and gets off too. She seemed highly genuine in her desire to push her boundaries, and Manuel was just being Manuel. Jake Malone makes stuff that is definitely to strong for some, I think it could make some people uncomfortable in its intensity, but there's a raw sexuality that drives it above and beyond almost everything else I've seen that's in any way comparable. I as yet, haven't seen the Kristina/Manuel scene from 'Slutwoman', so I don't know how the two scenes directly compare, all that I know is that if you want to see Adrianna COMPLETELY NAKED (as you rightly termed it above), I can't think of anything else I've seen that meets that requirement, whilst being completely convincing that this is her fantasy, opposed to something that could easily be made for guys who like to watch women cry. Edited by - Dubious_Leftovers on 11/11/2009 1:26:39 AM [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 1:52AM Savoy wrote: No, no, no...this is not the thread that you may think it is. Click to expand Aww shucks -- you got my hopes up! [Link]
kristinarose Member 797 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 1:55AM I'm happy to hear you like that scene. :) It's the best sexual experience I've ever had and I don't think I'll ever have another one like it. That was a very special day for me and it still is. Thanks ;) [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 2:04AM Savoy wrote: Has anyone seen anything like this scene elsewhere in porn? Click to expand The most emotional moment I've ever witnessed in porn was in "Annette Schwarz Is Slutwoman 2", when Mason gives Annette a surprise gift of a designer dress that the two women had seen in a posh store in Beverly Hills on a previous day. Annette was crying on camera; Mason, off. Not a sex scene and I'm sure you've already seen it. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 3:21AM I watched Kristina's scene today and I am speechless. I don't even think it's porn ... but it is the most naked revelation of passion I may ever have seen in an adult video. Just beautiful. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 3:56AM So it's a given that AVN will ignore it? [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 8:59AM I need to watch this scene again - I watched it after having seen a documentary earlier in the day where the subject talked about a rape scene in an old movie she made which really scared her. It really fucked with my head, and I probably couldn't have picked a worse movie to try out than Slutwoman! I quickly switched it out for Tori Black is Pretty Filthy (still wanted me some Kristina and Manuel!) once Kristina was crying. I guess I wasn't in the right place. I do know that I trusted Mason, Kristina and Manuel, though - I didn't feel like anything abusive was taking place - I just wasn't in the right mood. Now that I've read these analyses, I think I'll be able to appreciate it. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:03AM kristinarose wrote: I'm happy to hear you like that scene. :) It's the best sexual experience I've ever had and I don't think I'll ever have another one like it. That was a very special day for me and it still is. Thanks ;) Click to expand The thanks goes to you. You are spectacular - so beautiful and brave in how you share yourself. I'm at a loss for words. That scene is already legendary in my mind. [Link]
jazzyfae728 Member 75 Posts 4/09	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:09AM Gore Gore Girl wrote: I need to watch this scene again - I watched it after having seen a documentary earlier in the day where the subject talked about a rape scene in an old movie she made which really scared her. Click to expand this is mostly irrelevant, but i'm just curious, what was the documentary called? [Link]

torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:15AM Harri Patel wrote: So it's a given that AVN will ignore it? Click to expand Not unless they pay $$$$ for "ad space" [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:19AM Bob wrote: The most emotional moment I've ever witnessed in porn was in "Annette Schwarz Is Slutwoman 2", when Mason gives Annette a surprise gift of a designer dress that the two women had seen in a posh store in Beverly Hills on a previous day. Annette was crying on camera; Mason, off. Not a sex scene and I'm sure you've already seen it. Click to expand Haha. You know me well. I have seen it - many times. :) In the same vein of intensity as Kristina's scene, but no where near as emotional is Mia Rose and, again, Manuel (he is killing me!!) in Pornstar Workout . At first, I felt like such a goober when I started tearing up midway through the scene, but felt validated once I watched the BTS and Rose cries a little afterward then Mason mentions crying while shooting the scene. It's as though that scene was a sort of preliminary to the KRIS scene. Proof of the type of performance that Mason can facilitate. As a side note - on the PSW disc, Charley Chase has a post-scene interview where she talks about almost disappearing during a particularly mind-blowing position, but she catches herself - "Whoa. Where did I almost go? I have to keep it together. I'm working!!". Noooooo - lose yourself. There is indescribable beauty in it. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:28AM skronker wrote: I watched Kristina's scene today and I am speechless. I don't even think it's porn ... but it is the most naked revelation of passion I may ever have seen in an adult video. Just beautiful. Click to expand "the most naked revelation of passion I may ever have seen in adult video" - I like that! :) But why do you think it doesn't qualify as pornography? I can think of a few reasons why you might think that, but I need to know from you. [Link]
MrLongStiff Deactivated User 87 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 11:44AM Although, there was no crying in the scene, the most EMOTIONALLY INTENSE porn scene I've ever watched was the scorching performance of Justin Slayer and Angel Dark in 'Just Fucking'. The look and funny contortions on the stunningly beautiful Angel Dark's face made the already HOT scene an all time CLASSIC. I no longer smoke but after watching that scene I needed a cigarette. Edited by - mrlongstiff on 11/11/2009 11:50:53 AM [Link]
SaraJayFan Member Underneath Sara Jay 200 Posts 4/04	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:25PM I was no aware of any scenes in which the passion is so intense that it brings the chick to tears. Even though I am not a fan of Manuel, I am looking forward to viewing these scenes. [Link]
TONZ0FUN Member 73 Posts 12/08	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:26PM I just got done watching Kristina Rose's scene with Manuel in her Slutwoman movie. Wow. It's emotionally intense. Rose isn't 5 minutes into the scene and she's crying. Manuel plays it pretty cool and even at one point makes her stop because he doesn't want to feel like that. Many times he tells her not to cry, but she's feeling it hard. It's really beautiful and sweet and a little sad. A very special, unique scene. I loved it. To me, this is porn as art - arousing the senses and emotions. It is beyond compelling and I couldn't look away. ____________________________________________________________________________ Not me - watched the film 2 days ago- instant wood killer- once she started crying- killed it for me-it just seemed uncomfortable-not sexy- I dont want art-i want porn- and yeah its sad= fucking sad i spent money on this dvd that completely turned me off. [Link]
Goodspeed Member Squirt Aficionado 697 Posts 3/09	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:33PM Savoy wrote: In the same vein of intensity as Kristina's scene, but no where near as emotional is Mia Rose and, again, Manuel (he is killing me!!) in Pornstar Workout . At first, I felt like such a goober when I started tearing up midway through the scene, but felt validated once I watched the BTS and Rose cries a little afterward then Mason mentions crying while shooting the scene. It's as though that scene was a sort of preliminary to the KRIS scene. Proof of the type of performance that Mason can facilitate. Click to expand Ah yes, that's a good one. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:48PM jazzyfae728 wrote: Gore Gore Girl wrote: I need to watch this scene again - I watched it after having seen a documentary earlier in the day where the subject talked about a rape scene in an old movie she made which really scared her. Click to expand this is mostly irrelevant, but i'm just curious, what was the documentary called? Click to expand It was Annie Sprinkle's Herstory of Porn - a truly great movie/performance piece made by Sprinkle. It's kinda like Mystery Science Theater, with Annie providing commentary to scenes throughout her career. She was talking about The Devil Inside Her. It was a total bummer. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:53PM TONZ0FUN wrote: Not me - watched the film 2 days ago- instant wood killer- once she started crying- killed it for me-it just seemed uncomfortable-not sexy- I dont want art-i want porn- and yeah its sad= fucking sad i spent money on this dvd that completely turned me off. Click to expand Haha. I am sure you are one of many and I am one of the few. :) That's why we don't see a lot of these types of scenes. I wonder if Manuel was hushing her, not because he minded the tears but because he knows that getting too emotional makes it a less marketable scene. Edited by - savoy on 11/11/2009 1:01:10 PM [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:56PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: I need to watch this scene again - I watched it after having seen a documentary earlier in the day where the subject talked about a rape scene in an old movie she made which really scared her. It really fucked with my head, and I probably couldn't have picked a worse movie to try out than Slutwoman! I quickly switched it out for Tori Black is Pretty Filthy (still wanted me some Kristina and Manuel!) once Kristina was crying. I guess I wasn't in the right place. I do know that I trusted Mason, Kristina and Manuel, though - I didn't feel like anything abusive was taking place - I just wasn't in the right mood. Now that I've read these analyses, I think I'll be able to appreciate it. Click to expand I can understand how watching something like that before this would throw off the experience. I've been watching KRIS scene by scene and when I chapter skipped through the disc, I noticed Rose in near hysterics and was like "WTF is going on with that scene?!" - worried that I wouldn't enjoy it. Even in the first couple of minutes, with Rose in an empty garage, the eerie music and Manuel stepping out of nowhere to grab her - it was stereotypical rape stuff, but I couldn't believe that Mason would do that. The second that Manuel brushed the hair off of Kristina's cheek, I knew that this would be something more. Mixing caresses with slaps, he started whispering. I was literally leaning towards the screen, straining my ears, struggling to lip read. I couldn't pick up the beginning, but I definitely got him saying, "I love you, baby", her reply "I love you.". Him, "I do." and with that, I could feel myself sink under their spell. Definitely give it another go, but you definitely have to be in the right mind frame for it. [Link]

TONZ0FUN Member 73 Posts 12/08	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 1:05PM That's what I mean, If i would have know a scene like this was in the movie I wouldn't have gotten it. A fantasy rape scene isn't slutty its disturbing- I would have loved to see a SLUT scene- I like Kristina- give me her fucking on the dance floor in a crowded club- or blowing a bunch of guys in a high school gym- getting busy in a burger king bathroom- lol things SLUTS DO!! [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 1:16PM "I'm crazy. Allow me to amaze thee! They say I'm ugly but it just don't phase me."...haha Can I ask you questions? What about her tears made you uncomfortable? Made you lose interest? Did you think it was because she was being forced? Is it a place you just didn't want to go? I do not think of this as a rape scene. Not in the least and until GGG brought it back up, I had completely forgotten about the first minute and half because the remaining scene showcased their epic connection. It couldn't be further from rape in my mind. Do you think that if there hadn't been undertones of assault you would have responded differently to the scene? [Link]
TONZ0FUN Member 73 Posts 12/08	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 2:03PM Can I ask you questions? What about her tears made you uncomfortable? Made you lose interest? Did you think it was because she was being forced? Is it a place you just didn't want to go? I do not think of this as a rape scene. Not in the least and until GGG brought it back up, I had completely forgotten about the first minute and half because the remaining scene showcased their epic connection. It couldn't be further from rape in my mind. Do you think that if there hadn't been undertones of assault you would have responded differently to the scene? _______________________________________________________________________________ -YES YOU GET IT! In a nut shell- It just wasnt sexy- less undertones of assault would have helped-its like the worst scene in Tori Black's Pretty Fithly( Tori and the two guys in the wear house- would have been great scene for Kristina- it's like maybe two pages in the scripts got switched- (NOT THAT I WANT TO SEE TORI BLACK IN A SCENE LIKE THIS EVER!! IE fantasy rape scene with tears ect..) What I mean is a sexy one on one in a parking garage with Tori. (Filthy girls do it in parking lots) and a rough 2 on one in a warehouse with Kristina would have been a better switch( Slutty girls do it in warehouses...well every where) . An as stated before- It just wasn't a SLUTY SCENE- see my early suggestion for the next one they do. You stated that the scene was a little sad...and I agree which is why it didnt work- No Saddness in porno- You see the tears start and it's like "why is she crying- was she raped once? Is this the first time she is being touched in a way she really likes and the rest is just an act. Do they have a past together...ect)mind starts to wonder and the dick goes soft. If i can add my 2 cents The problem with pornstars/porn companies now a days is they try to be everything to everyone- The same girl who plays a teen,is also a sexy vixson , a dirty slutt, and hot milf all in 3 DVD's I think that with Elegent Angel - they see that they can build a DVD around a supperstar girl and show her talents to fit your fantsy. ( smart move) EVA- the return of your old favorite that shows up after a boob job and a baby she can still turn up the heat - She's like exgirlfriend that you still wana fuck even tho she left you for your best friend. Alexis Texas- The cool around the way girl that you check out in house school and wanted to fuck but didn't cause you had the nice clean cut girl- Shes a little ghetto but sexy as fuck. Type of Girl that would come to your house after school bounce that fat ass up and down on you and then leave after smoking some weed with you. Kristina - The Slut girl- not in a bad way mind you but- yes she is the girl that will jack off in the movie theater, blow you at a ball game, let you fuck her friends, wear mini skirts in public please like Sams Club just to turn u on. Tori- The hot chick - the good girl- the type of chick all your friends look at an are like how the fuck did you end up with her? And here is the kicker - SHE CAN FUCK!!Pretty girls never fuck. Every guy knows most smoking hot girls are lousy lays. Hell even most of the really hot porn girls look like lousy lays ( Yes I'm talking about you too Kagney Lynn Carter!!!) Each girl reaches to each fantasy and each movie represent each girl- So seeing the Sluttly girl cry or the Hott chick getting thrown/slapped around in a wearhouse kills the fantasy a little. Sorry for writing a novel- lol hope this helps [Link]
ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 2:09PM This is a GREAT thread, Savoy. Thanks.I hope it becomes a popular one. But, would it not be an idea to change the topic title in something like "Intense porno scenes" or something like that? At first I didn't feel like opening this topic because I thought it would be a MAX HARDCORE appreciation topic or a topic for fantasy rape lovers. I can imagine more people thinking that way and it would be a shame, with all the porn knowledge here on ADT, if this thread wouldn't get opened beacsue of that. On-topic: I think one should also look for scenes between real life lovers or ex-lovers. Think of scenes between tera patrick and hubby or stacy valentine and julian rivers. Or John stagliano and tricia devereaux. I haven't seen any of them, but I can only imagine that those could be more intense then scenes between non-partners. P.s, even though I did saw the slutwoman movie with Kristina, and think Kristina is a great performer, I personally did not find it that great. I also did not find the idea behind the scene clear: is it supposed to be a fantasy rape scene, or a .....? The first probably not, otherwise she would not have worn the stuff she wore but more casual non latex stuff. I mean what did she do in an abandoned parking area all by herself in the clothing the wore? Where are her friends, still at a party where she was just at? And if it supposed to be a "rape"scene then she isn't quite screaming her ass off or hitting him in the nuts or something of that kind. I mean, there are in my opinion too many paradoxes, one of them also being that she gets "raped", cries, but then on the other hand, seems to enjoy it when she rides him etc and even asks him to help her get up after he jerked off on her bod while she lies there on the ground waiting until he finished busting a nut.... Maybe I'm just one of few who doesn't understand the "WOW" vibe what is going on in this respect.... [Link]
kristinarose Member 797 Posts 2/08	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 2:23PM My scene with Manuel was NOT meant to come off as a rape scene! Although I would totally let Manuel rape me. lol. But you can't rape the willing. lol. The inspiration that Mason and I came up with for that scene was "What if this was the last time Manuel and I ever fucked?" How would we fuck? What would it be like? Everyone knows he's my fav and I know he likes to work with me too. So at the start of the scene we all said, "Let's fuck like this is gunna be the last time we ever fuck!" And we did. And it was the best sexual experience I've ever had. It was amazing. It may not be everyone's cup of tea. I'M not everyones cup of tea. I get it and I'm cool with it. That's just how it is with this biz. I'm not attracted to everyone as well as I am attracted to people/ things that maybe some people are not into ANNND that's ok. For me that was my most favorite scene in the whole movie. It was the first scene I shot for my Slutwoman movie and it was still my favorite after all the other amazing scenes ;) I'm very proud of my Slutwoman movie. Very. Here are some happy girl post fuck pics I took of myself after my scene with Manu. I posted them on my twitter like 97 days ago (or so it says). KR Twitter Pics Looking a little busted but VERY happy ;P Sooooo excited I was bouncing off the walls! All Smiles.. Still a hot mess but that night I think I was the happiest girl in the whole wide world. I got laid goooooood! The best ever! SO happy that that scene wasn't the last time Manu and I ever worked together but for sure happy we role-played like that ;P After that scene, the next time Manuel and I worked together was for his movie Phat Bottom Girls 2. I had a whole new level of trust with him and let him go even further with me than I had ever before. I haven't seen that scene yet but I'm sure it's just as good. [Link]
ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 2:53PM P.S. for those people who think this movie is SENSATIONAL and should win a AVN in January, I would strongly advise to check out the non-porn movie IRRIVERSIBLE with the beautiful Monica Belucci and her husband! Vincent Cassel. 10 times as intense, realistic and non paradoxical as the former movie. In France you have a lot of these underground walking areas, and especially at night it can be a scary place (for men and more so for women). The girl Alex (played by the Italian beauty Monica Belluci) attends (if I remember correctly) a party at a friends home with hubby and after a while walks home alone because her hubby wants to stay a bit longer at the party. She then gets sodomized for a full 15!!!! minutes in this abandoned underground walking/bicycling area, in what some consider the most intense, grotesque and disturbing scene ever shot on film. I think they cut the scene to about 8 or 9 minutes for the American market, so if you like to see the original unedited flick you should definitely go for the directors cut or some other unedited and uncut version. This flick has won lots of prices, I think the Berlin bear award( a very important German movie award) and a Award from the Rotterdam film festival(Netherlands) being two of them. This was such a intense and to some disturbing scene that lots of people walked out of the movie theaters during Robert Redford's sundance film festival in Utah and during the Palme d'Or in CAnnes( the most important filmfestival of France and more so Europe). This is a typical so-called independent European movie and it happens quite a lot that the actors in these independent European movies are having sex for real. Here in Europe we have films of actors who just give blowjobs on camera and are fucking for real with closeups and all. It is said, and it sure isn't denied by anybody from the Irriversible movie including the actors involved, that all the sex including the 15 minutes of anal raping was real in that movie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irréversible @Amazon: [ invalid url ] [Link]
ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 3:04PM kristinarose wrote: My scene with Manuel was NOT meant to come off as a rape scene! Although I would totally let Manuel rape me. lol. But you can't rape the willing. lol. The inspiration that Mason and I came up with for that scene was "What if this was the last time Manuel and I ever fucked?" How would we fuck? What would it be like? Everyone knows he's my fav and I know he likes to work with me too. So at the start of the scene we all said, "Let's fuck like this is gunna be the last time we ever fuck!" And we did. And it was the best sexual experience I've ever had. It was amazing. Click to expand Aha, that's a whole lot more plausible than if this scnene was inteded as a "rape" scene, lol. As said, you sure seem to enjoy getting it on with Manuel I already hit the "post new reply" button to write about my movie suggestion in this respect, before I read that explanation of yours.... Lol, now your scene makes sense to me [Link]
Aplus Senior Member 1431 Posts 5/05	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 3:24PM Savoy wrote: "I'm crazy. Allow me to amaze thee! They say I'm ugly but it just don't phase me."...haha Can I ask you questions? What about her tears made you uncomfortable? Made you lose interest? Did you think it was because she was being forced? Is it a place you just didn't want to go? I do not think of this as a rape scene. Not in the least and until GGG brought it back up, I had completely forgotten about the first minute and half because the remaining scene showcased their epic connection. It couldn't be further from rape in my mind. Do you think that if there hadn't been undertones of assault you would have responded differently to the scene? Click to expand Well I know you weren't talking to me here, but I do feel a need to answer. Tears don't necessarily bother me because I know they can sometimes come from a very happy place. Now if we're talking from aggression, whether controlled or acted, that's another story for me too. Porn seems to play with the latter part quite a bit these days, with many women, and I do mean many, seeming to be really for it and often in to it. Even though I know everything is fine, I can't quite get myself to enjoy such scenes, much less watch them much. I'm glad Kristina gave her opinions on the scene, because after hearing someone say it was a rape or assault type scene, I immediately knew I wasn't gonna watch it. For whatever reason, that kind of stuff just doesn't turn me on. Now I love intensity, and I suppose there can be a fine line sometimes, but I do draw a line somewhere. Let me ask you this though Savoy. Is there ever a let-down for you when you watch someone again after seeing them in something like that? For me there often is, even though I know in my mind, it probably won't be as good or as intense next time you see them in a scene, even if it's with the same person again. Luckily that let-down doesn't last long for me, and I can usually enjoy them again under less intense circumstances. [Link]
Diville Member 102 Posts 12/99	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 4:20PM I'm not sure I can bring anything new to the conversation, as so much has been said already. Then again, I do like to ramble... I'm one of the people who reviewed Kristina Rose is Slutwoman and who did not discuss the whole crying thing. I chose not to because, God help me, I think sex (even filmed sex) should have some spontaneity to it. I know it's not like giving away the ending to The Sixth Sense, but I don't want to be the guy who robs people of a "Oh, shit, I didn't expect that" moment. The best I can do is say there's some amazing chemistry going on in the scene and it's a show stopper (which I think is what I did, though to be honest I haven't re-read my review. Reading my own writing is like listening to my voice played back to me. It freaks me out). It's funny, I saw those photos on Kristina's Twitter account the day she posted them. At the time she never came right out and said what the smiles in those pictures were all about, but when I was watching the scene months later, I remembered them and thought, "Oh, that's why she was so happy!" Then, I did something very private and shameful to myself. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 5:19PM Uh...I in no way meant to turn this into a "rape thread" - sorry if I did. I was actually trying to articulate that it absolutely didn't seem abusive, but that such an intense scene was just not going to sit well with me having earlier seen something that effectively recounted a rape taking place during an intense and rough scene. Manuel and Kristina are in my top 10 favourite performers list, and they're always intense - on a different day, I would have enjoyed the scene (and that day will come!). It's too simplistic to simply see this scene as a mock rape. Sorry if I put that idea into peoples' heads. [Link]

Aplus Senior Member 1431 Posts 5/05	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 6:35PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: Uh...I in no way meant to turn this into a "rape thread" - sorry if I did. I was actually trying to articulate that it absolutely didn't seem abusive, but that such an intense scene was just not going to sit well with me having earlier seen something that effectively recounted a rape taking place during an intense and rough scene. Manuel and Kristina are in my top 10 favourite performers list, and they're always intense - on a different day, I would have enjoyed the scene (and that day will come!). It's too simplistic to simply see this scene as a mock rape. Sorry if I put that idea into peoples' heads. Click to expand Actually I think Savoy was the one who said it started off looking like the typical stereotypical rape scene for a minute or two, but then actually wasn't. Sorry, I misspoke in calling it a rape or assault scene. My point was that even a minute or two hint was more than I care to see usually. I mean I'm not squeamish, and quite honestly don't know where a scene is gonna be or may be taken half the time. Most of the time it's a surprise I didn't see coming. But if I find out beforehand, or am uncertain, usually I'll avoid it. I would have just looked through the reviews again. Savoy said the crying wasn't mentioned, but never mentioned if the rest of the content was mentioned. So I wouldn't have avoided Slutwoman simply based on this thread. So that was a misspeak on my part also. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 6:49PM TONZ0FUN wrote: An as stated before- It just wasn't a SLUTY SCENE- see my early suggestion for the next one they do. You stated that the scene was a little sad...and I agree which is why it didnt work- No Saddness in porno- You see the tears start and it's like "why is she crying- was she raped once? Is this the first time she is being touched in a way she really likes and the rest is just an act. Do they have a past together...ect)mind starts to wonder and the dick goes soft. Click to expand Thanks for the explanation. I can respect where you're coming from and see how messy emotions can hinder your wanking goal. :) And perhaps this is what skronker wrote about not considering the scene to be porn. But I just want you to realize that tears during sex is not automatically a bad thing. In fact, I can't think of a greater compliment to Manuel's prowess or testament to their connection than Rose not being able to contain her emotions. And by a little sad, I was thinking of when she was whimpering, "I want to be yours. I want to be yours", right before he stopped her and made her calm down. It just broke my heart because you know she was feeling it so hard, but I guess you didn't get to that part. TONZOFUN wrote: ...So seeing the Sluttly girl cry or the Hott chick getting thrown/slapped around in a wearhouse kills the fantasy a little. Click to expand I never thought about this scene in terms of stereotypes or expected it to adhere to that. A lot of the movie does though with a blowbang, the slutwoman stroll and that handjob. Traditionally, the slut doesn't feel or more truthfully - no one cares whether or not she does. Something interesting to ponder. I think it just boils down to different people wanting to experience porn differently. Edited by - savoy on 11/11/2009 7:32:29 PM [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 7:06PM ADT44 wrote: But, would it not be an idea to change the topic title in something like "Intense porno scenes" or something like that? At first I didn't feel like opening this topic because I thought it would be a MAX HARDCORE appreciation topic or a topic for fantasy rape lovers. Click to expand Well, it's more than just intense scenes I'm looking for. I want scenes where the girl cries because she's overcome with GOOD feelings. It is a twist on those threads, but I knew that the right people would find it. :) ADT44 wrote: I think one should also look for scenes between real life lovers or ex-lovers. Think of scenes between tera patrick and hubby or stacy valentine and julian rivers. Or John stagliano and tricia devereaux. I haven't seen any of them, but I can only imagine that those could be more intense then scenes between non-partners. Click to expand It's funny you mention that because in my experience, real life couples perform average scenes. Like they have their work face more firmly in place because they are intimate off-camera. As if they are working extra hard to protect themselves. Maybe I'm not picking the right people. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 7:14PM kristinarose wrote: The inspiration that Mason and I came up with for that scene was "What if this was the last time Manuel and I ever fucked?" How would we fuck? What would it be like? Everyone knows he's my fav and I know he likes to work with me too. So at the start of the scene we all said, "Let's fuck like this is gunna be the last time we ever fuck!" Click to expand I'm geeking out right now. I get to experience the whole scene like it's brand new! Click to expand That's bliss, boys. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 7:18PM ADT44 wrote: Aha, that's a whole lot more plausible than if this scnene was inteded as a "rape" scene, lol. As said, you sure seem to enjoy getting it on with Manuel I already hit the "post new reply" button to write about my movie suggestion in this respect, before I read that explanation of yours.... Lol, now your scene makes sense to me Click to expand I glad she set you straight because I was about to go off on you! haha Like what the fuck is this guy thinking recommending a rape scene!?! How the hell did he get that as what I was looking for ::headsmack:: [Link]
ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 9:28PM Savoy wrote: ADT44 wrote: Aha, that's a whole lot more plausible than if this scnene was inteded as a "rape" scene, lol. As said, you sure seem to enjoy getting it on with Manuel I already hit the "post new reply" button to write about my movie suggestion in this respect, before I read that explanation of yours.... Lol, now your scene makes sense to me Click to expand I glad she set you straight because I was about to go off on you! haha Like what the fuck is this guy thinking recommending a rape scene!?! How the hell did he get that as what I was looking for ::headsmack:: Click to expand I guess, I sometimes just interpret stuff like the European guy that I am and of whom English isn't his first nor his second language. I'm not recommending a brutal rape scene, I'm just giving you material to compare to, and show you what true acting intensity is all about in comparable situations. That is both rape scenes ( at least, so I thought, before Kristina made it clear that it wasn't).I already said, that I hit the "post new reply" button before I read that explanation of Kristina. I'm very slow with writing in English and often need to look up words in my online English dictionary. I didn't advise it for the rape part. And I didn't advise as fapping material! Anyway, we've all probably seen these so-called fantasy (gang bang) porn scenes ( for example from the gang bang girl series) and saw how the girl in the scene at fist starts to resist and puts up a struggle and a minute later is asking (with joy) to get it harder in her ass or something like that. As said, when seeing this scene on DVD for the first time, it wasn't quite clear to me what the (director's) thoughts behind this scene were. I just assumed it was yet another paradoxical fantasy rape scene of that kind. That's why I responded the way I did. And just like gore gore girl, I made the same rape connection when I first saw that scene. It's as simple as that. Savoy wrote: But I just want you to realize that tears during sex is not automatically a bad thing. In fact, I can't think of a greater compliment to Manuel's prowess or testament to their connection than Rose not being able to contain her emotions. Click to expand I have to disagree with you on that one. It's basically what TON0FUN said: when you see a scene (or in real life) where a girl starts to sob or cry for some reason, a man ( not saying you ain't one) immediately will think that something (very) bad happened to her, ESPECIALLY, when a girl doesn't quite has the face of a happy camper (this was the case with Kristina in that scene of hers and secondly those "rapey-kind-of-circumstances" didn't quite help either when trying to find a more positive logical explanation for her sadness/scariness). And if there isn't a dialog where they explain that it will be their last time together having sex (Kristina's explanation) or whatever, then how can you expect viewers will find that scene interesting, enjoyable and not disturbing? A man-being the protective human towards women that he is- automatically starts to think something worse is happening to the poor girl. And what Ton0fun said, then it's so long, mr. boner! (especially! after the first 3 scenes of the flick). That all said and kept in mind, I'm not saying you're a wimp and all, but last thing I thought ( and I think most of us) was certainly not "I want to be yours. I want to be yours" and in the meantime breaking my heart while watching that scene. I was more like, WTF did this biatch ass motherfucker do to her? I wish I was there to protect her from that animal, Im gonna lock this MF up in a dungeon and and let a couple of big aggressive gays rape HIM! I'll show him. Or something of that order.... That's called, getting back to your instinctive manhood. Adrenaline sort of kicks in and, as said, then it's game over for your horniness especially if there's still a 5th scene coming after that one. Although, I must say, when this would be the last scene, then it wasn't good either in my book: that would be the total anti-climax of the year in regards to porn movies. That is, unless you get off on Max hardcore-isque rape scenes [xx)] (what a normal person might probably,as said, think this scene is, when seeing that stuff). I mean, ya can't expect that people will check on ADT (or elsewhere) for explanations from the persons involved....about how to interpret this scene. I think most of is don't give a rat's ass about the exact thoughts behind scenes, as long as it gets the job- of getting in the mood- done. That said, most non-rape lovers will just fast forward this stuff or skip it all together so they don't have to warm up from the start again, lol. TONZ0FUN wrote: You stated that the scene was a little sad...and I agree which is why it didnt work- No Saddness in porno- You see the tears start and it's like "why is she crying- was she raped once...ect)mind starts to wonder and the dick goes soft. Click to expand Savoy wrote: And by a little sad, I was thinking of when she was whimpering, "I want to be yours. I want to be yours", right before he stopped her and made her calm down. It just broke my heart because you know she was feeling it so hard, but I guess you didn't get to that part. Click to expand [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:12PM ADT44 wrote: I guess, I sometimes just interpret stuff like the European guy that I am and of whom English isn't his first nor his second language. I'm not recommending a brutal rape scene, I'm just giving you material to compare to, and show you what true acting intensity is all about in comparable situations. Click to expand I don't consider a mainstream movie where an actress is brutally assraped to be a comparable situation. Yes, I understand that your post about Irreversible went up before Rose's response about the rape suggestion. I wrote so. I was making a joke. I didn't realize that English wasn't a language you were comfortable in so my response was lost in translation. To me, people who think the KRIS scene is a fantasy rape, do not understand the scene at all. You had to have it spelled out for you. This scene will never mean to you what it means to me. Nor will you ever be able to offer a recommendation because you do not understand what I'm looking for. I didn't need Rose's explanation to enjoy it, her explanation only added another layer to the scene. I was in love with it before she ever brought herself into this thread (thankfully). I love how you try to respect my "manhood". How sweet of you. hahaha Let's get something straight here, new guy. I am a woman. Maybe that will change your opinion of what I write. I identify with this scene tremendously and Rose is the one I identify with so naturally my response to this is going to be very different from yours. Although I appreciate your essay on why you could never enjoy it. All the reasons I know well. I've experienced your type of male response personally. "Man see woman cry, man must fix." Get outta the Stone Age. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:39PM Aplus wrote: Well I know you weren't talking to me here, but I do feel a need to answer. Tears don't necessarily bother me because I know they can sometimes come from a very happy place. Now if we're talking from aggression, whether controlled or acted, that's another story for me too. Porn seems to play with the latter part quite a bit these days, with many women, and I do mean many, seeming to be really for it and often in to it. Even though I know everything is fine, I can't quite get myself to enjoy such scenes, much less watch them much. I'm glad Kristina gave her opinions on the scene, because after hearing someone say it was a rape or assault type scene, I immediately knew I wasn't gonna watch it. For whatever reason, that kind of stuff just doesn't turn me on. Now I love intensity, and I suppose there can be a fine line sometimes, but I do draw a line somewhere. Click to expand Thanks for sharing! :) But it's not, it's really, really not. Unless of course, you like extremely vanilla/couple sex. I am in no way a hardcore consumer. I like a touch of kink but I can't deal with anything too extreme either. She gets smacked on the face a couple times, smacked on the butt a LOT and a tiny bit of choking and hair pulling but that is mixed with caresses and hugs and kisses and sweet words and intense eye contact. It balances out somehow. I didn't feel threatened by it at all. Maybe they made a mistake in setting it up as they did because some people aren't quite grasping what is at the heart of the scene. Though posters whose opinions I respect do understand it. Let me ask you this though Savoy. Is there ever a let-down for you when you watch someone again after seeing them in something like that? For me there often is, even though I know in my mind, it probably won't be as good or as intense next time you see them in a scene, even if it's with the same person again. Luckily that let-down doesn't last long for me, and I can usually enjoy them again under less intense circumstances. Click to expand I feel the same way. Once I see a scene like this, I start hunting down everything they've shot together. Most of the time you come to find that you already found their best scene. But sometimes, lighting strikes more than once. :) Kristina and Manuel's first scene together in "Slave Dolls V.3" was pretty stellar too. He makes her scream out the windows that she loves him. I want to see "Raw 2" so bad right now. Usually I rent my porn and ADE doesn't rent out second discs. Can't even VOD that motherfucker on ADE or Evil Angel's website. I'm just gonna have to break down and buy it. Will I be disappointed? Maybe a little. But I'll enjoy it anyway because even if the intensity won't be as high, the chemistry is there. Edited by - savoy on 11/11/2009 10:46:06 PM [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:56PM Diville - I love your rambling. :) No, you didn't mention the crying but you did write, and I quote - "Manuel Ferrara's cock makes Kristina Rose happier than anything of mine has ever made anyone." Thanks for not spoiling it. It also reminds me of something that Don Houston over on Xcritic has written a number of times. That fucking Manuel Ferrara has ruined Kristina Rose for other men. No one (onscreen at least) will ever live up to him. I thought that was a funny observation. GoreGoreGirl - I 100% completely and totally blame you for the rape derail. It's too simplistic to simply see this scene as a mock rape. Sorry if I put that idea into peoples' heads. Click to expand Simplistic. Yep. [Link]
picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 11:04PM Savoy wrote: I want to see "Raw 2" so bad right now. Usually I rent my porn and ADE doesn't rent out second discs. Can't even VOD that motherfucker on ADE or Evil Angel's website. I'm just gonna have to break down and buy it. Click to expand Try XRent. They rent multiple disc sets. Manuel is a lightning rod for emotional scenes. Mia Rose was mentioned, and if she never burst into full blown tears, she definitely gets weepy around him. Also, his scene with Katsumi in Euro Domination 4 sprung some waterworks at the very end, maybe as a cathartic reaction to a very rough and intense scene, or a feeling that she'd been delivered to a place she rarely went, and maybe never again. Not unlike the parameters set up by Mason and Kristina. It's possible that Manuel's discomfort comes from a feeling that Kristina's response is a little inappropriate for what should be a superficial relationship, at least in his mind. Obviously, it would be better for him to answer that himself, and who knows, maybe he will weigh in. I know that there are people who are convinced that everything in porn is fake, but I think that sometimes even fake things turn real. This might have been one of those times. [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 11:06PM Aplus wrote: ,,,,,She wasn't really expecting it though, and tears flew right after it. The messed-up thing is that the director edited a lot of crying part out. ..... Click to expand And so the wonder why the porn industry is dying. [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 11:13PM Savoy wrote: .... ..... I am a woman. ...... Get outta the Stone Age. Click to expand Hear her roar! [Link]
jayo All-Star Member 2117 Posts 7/04	Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 11:46PM Savoy wrote: I was worried that there would be no suggestions. Click to expand I was on a porn forum run by a studio, and the subject of tears came up. I had never thought of it, and was mildly surprised at how intensly I reacted to it--I loathed the idea. To me it would be instant woodkill. It's the same reason I find some Japanese porn disturbing--the women look like they're in pain and crying, not enjoying it. There's enough misery in life. I want porn to be happy and fun and uplifting. I don't want my heart broken with a stiff dick in my hand. I can get that in real life. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 12:44AM omg. It was sad for like, 2 seconds. Then it got good again because he held her then fingerbanged her until she dripped a puddle all over the garage floor. [Link]
HeyNow Oblivious Gold Star Hey! 5965 Posts 1/03	Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 1:06AM Diville wrote: Then, I did something very private and shameful to myself. Click to expand Love it! You know, I didn't even notice the crying. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 1:19AM picman wrote: Manuel is a lightning rod for emotional scenes. Also, his scene with Katsumi in Euro Domination 4 sprung some waterworks at the very end, maybe as a cathartic reaction to a very rough and intense scene, or a feeling that she'd been delivered to a place she rarely went, and maybe never again. Not unlike the parameters set up by Mason and Kristina. Click to expand Yay! Another rec. And thanks for the tip about XRent. There is actually a small list of titles I haven't been able to watch because they are split up on 2 discs. Very helpful. picman wrote: It's possible that Manuel's discomfort comes from a feeling that Kristina's response is a little inappropriate for what should be a superficial relationship, at least in his mind. Obviously, it would be better for him to answer that himself, and who knows, maybe he will weigh in. Click to expand That would be awesome, but I haven't seen him post here in quite some time soo... I can go with your interpretation. Definitely possible. I've maybe seen about - I don't know - 50 Manuel scenes and the only other time I watched him tell a woman to stop something was when Julia Ann was getting all sassy and trying to fight him in BWA 15. She slapped him and wouldn't get in position. She locked her legs around him and didn't open up to him. I remember his response: "Don't do that. I don't want to feel like that." picman wrote: I know that there are people who are convinced that everything in porn is fake, but I think that sometimes even fake things turn real. This might have been one of those times. Click to expand +1 [Link]

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Savoy

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Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 9:07PM

No, no, no...this is not the thread that you may think it is.
I just got done watching Kristina Rose's scene with Manuel in her Slutwoman movie. Wow. It's emotionally intense. Rose isn't 5 minutes into the scene and she's crying. Manuel plays it pretty cool and even at one point makes her stop because he doesn't want to feel like that. Many times he tells her not to cry, but she's feeling it hard. It's really beautiful and sweet and a little sad. A very special, unique scene. I loved it. To me, this is porn as art - arousing the senses and emotions. It is beyond compelling and I couldn't look away.
The reviews I've read of the movie beforehand were written by men and not one mentioned this. They noted the sexual chemistry and the intensity, but nowhere did they mention tears. Did they not notice? Did they think it irrelevant?
So help me with recs please. Has anyone seen anything like this scene elsewhere in porn?
Just to make myself clear - I'm not talking about scenes with tears caused by cockgagging or choking or pain or shame. I just want a scene where the girl is so overwhelmed emotionally that she cries.
Tall order in an industry where performers keep strong walls up to protect themselves.

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Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 9:17PM

Adrianna Nicole and (again) Manuel Ferrara in 'Fuck Slaves'.
Real tears... Psychologically intense as fuck. Excellent scene. I think it fulfills the criteria you're looking for.

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Savoy

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Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 9:27PM

I love you. Thank you.
I was worried that there would be no suggestions.

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Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 11:05PM

Savoy wrote:
No, no, no...this is not the thread that you may think it is.
I just got done watching Kristina Rose's scene with Manuel in her Slutwoman movie. Wow. It's emotionally intense. Rose isn't 5 minutes into the scene and she's crying. Manuel plays it pretty cool and even at one point makes her stop because he doesn't want to feel like that. Many times he tells her not to cry, but she's feeling it hard. It's really beautiful and sweet and a little sad. A very special, unique scene. I loved it. To me, this is porn as art - arousing the senses and emotions. It is beyond compelling and I couldn't look away.
The reviews I've read of the movie beforehand were written by men and not one mentioned this. They noted the sexual chemistry and the intensity, but nowhere did they mention tears. Did they not notice? Did they think it irrelevant?
So help me with recs please. Has anyone seen anything like this scene elsewhere in porn?
Just to make myself clear - I'm not talking about scenes with tears caused by cockgagging or choking or pain or shame. I just want a scene where the girl is so overwhelmed emotionally that she cries.
Tall order in an industry where performers keep strong walls up to protect themselves.
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I've noticed that a lot of little or big things tend to go unnoticed in male and female reviews. My guess is that men, and maybe the woman, don't want to get "that" emotionally involved. A lot of male fans dismiss anything that could be remotely seen as intimate. Just MO.
Can't say I've seen that much or often. Actually I can only think of one time. It was in Janine's first boy/girl scene which was with Dale Dabone. Janine said she hadn't had set in a while, and couldn't help having a pretty big orgasm in the scene because of it. She wasn't really expecting it though, and tears flew right after it. The messed-up thing is that the director edited a lot of crying part out. I think the behind-the-scenes footage caught it better if I remember right.
Not convinced most can be emotionally fucked to cause tears, but I do think I've seen some near moments over the years. Truthfully I think most women hold back some, even when it's really feeling good. That, or that guys stops, slows down, or pulls out before it gets really intense. I do think things could get really interesting though if performers were allowed or allowed themselves to keep going sometimes.

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Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 11:20PM

I called this scene intimate and strangely 'sweet' because of its unique personal intensity. I don't think I can think of another scene like it.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:37AM

I think you're right. After Dubious' rec, I went and read a couple of reviews of "Fuck Slaves" and astroknight mentioned Nicole's crying. He wrote that it made him uncomfortable and felt that many would be turned off by it while a few would be drawn to it.
I have a feeling that most men do not want to watch a woman cry from emotion in porn. In my personal life, tears during sex have made more uncomfortable than not. It's hard to assure someone who's been taught to never make a woman cry that those tears are a good thing. It is a release. I don't even think Manuel liked it since he kept telling her to stop or "Don't start with that" meaning the tears.
And many men definitely don't want intimacy in their porn; even like porn because it boldly lacks intimacy. So once again, I'm searching for something that runs against the grain. :)
Thanks for the scene mention. I'll have to hunt it down.

You're right. It's the rare performer who is brave (or crazy) enough to be COMPLETELY naked - body and soul. I can totally respect performers protecting themselves emotionally. There has to be a disconnect or a person would be a mess and it is work sex. I don't expect to find a lot of this type of scene.
And the thing with Slutwoman is that it didn't even get to penetration - it only took an embrace, eye contact, a few slaps and some whispered words. It was that intense and only grew from there.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 1:19AM

^Yeah, I fully agree with that analysis... Personally, I have to be in a more cerebral mood to watch that sort of thing - a need to feel emotionally engaged, and even challenged, which I don't always have when I just need to unload - it's a sense of the erotic, opposed to merely straight-forward visual sex representation.
In regards to the Adrianna/Manuel scene in 'Fuck Slaves' - I point out, that I haven't seen that flick in maybe around 18 month - 2 years, but my recollection is that the key thing there is that it's definitely Adrianna that drives the emotion of the scene; I recall that she expresses that it's this intensity is what she craves and gets off too. She seemed highly genuine in her desire to push her boundaries, and Manuel was just being Manuel.
Jake Malone makes stuff that is definitely to strong for some, I think it could make some people uncomfortable in its intensity, but there's a raw sexuality that drives it above and beyond almost everything else I've seen that's in any way comparable.
I as yet, haven't seen the Kristina/Manuel scene from 'Slutwoman', so I don't know how the two scenes directly compare, all that I know is that if you want to see Adrianna COMPLETELY NAKED (as you rightly termed it above), I can't think of anything else I've seen that meets that requirement, whilst being completely convincing that this is her fantasy, opposed to something that could easily be made for guys who like to watch women cry.
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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 1:52AM

Aww shucks -- you got my hopes up!

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kristinarose
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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 1:55AM

I'm happy to hear you like that scene. :)
It's the best sexual experience I've ever had and I don't think I'll ever have another one like it.
That was a very special day for me and it still is.
Thanks ;)

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Bob

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 2:04AM

The most emotional moment I've ever witnessed in porn was in "Annette Schwarz Is Slutwoman 2", when Mason gives Annette a surprise gift of a designer dress that the two women had seen in a posh store in Beverly Hills on a previous day. Annette was crying on camera; Mason, off.
Not a sex scene and I'm sure you've already seen it.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 3:21AM

I watched Kristina's scene today and I am speechless. I don't even think it's porn ... but it is the most naked revelation of passion I may ever have seen in an adult video. Just beautiful.

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So it's a given that AVN will ignore it?

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 8:59AM

I need to watch this scene again - I watched it after having seen a documentary earlier in the day where the subject talked about a rape scene in an old movie she made which really scared her. It really fucked with my head, and I probably couldn't have picked a worse movie to try out than Slutwoman! I quickly switched it out for Tori Black is Pretty Filthy (still wanted me some Kristina and Manuel!) once Kristina was crying. I guess I wasn't in the right place. I do know that I trusted Mason, Kristina and Manuel, though - I didn't feel like anything abusive was taking place - I just wasn't in the right mood. Now that I've read these analyses, I think I'll be able to appreciate it.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:03AM

The thanks goes to you. You are spectacular - so beautiful and brave in how you share yourself. I'm at a loss for words. That scene is already legendary in my mind.

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jazzyfae728
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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:09AM

this is mostly irrelevant, but i'm just curious, what was the documentary called?

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:15AM

Not unless they pay $$$$ for "ad space"

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:19AM

Haha. You know me well. I have seen it - many times. :)
In the same vein of intensity as Kristina's scene, but no where near as emotional is Mia Rose and, again, Manuel (he is killing me!!) in Pornstar Workout . At first, I felt like such a goober when I started tearing up midway through the scene, but felt validated once I watched the BTS and Rose cries a little afterward then Mason mentions crying while shooting the scene.
It's as though that scene was a sort of preliminary to the KRIS scene. Proof of the type of performance that Mason can facilitate.
As a side note - on the PSW disc, Charley Chase has a post-scene interview where she talks about almost disappearing during a particularly mind-blowing position, but she catches herself - "Whoa. Where did I almost go? I have to keep it together. I'm working!!". Noooooo - lose yourself. There is indescribable beauty in it.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:28AM

"the most naked revelation of passion I may ever have seen in adult video" - I like that! :)
But why do you think it doesn't qualify as pornography? I can think of a few reasons why you might think that, but I need to know from you.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 11:44AM

Although, there was no crying in the scene, the most EMOTIONALLY INTENSE porn scene I've ever watched was the scorching performance of Justin Slayer and Angel Dark in 'Just Fucking'. The look and funny contortions on the stunningly beautiful Angel Dark's face made the already HOT scene an all time CLASSIC.
I no longer smoke but after watching that scene I needed a cigarette.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:25PM

I was no aware of any scenes in which the passion is so intense that it brings the chick to tears. Even though I am not a fan of Manuel, I am looking forward to viewing these scenes.

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TONZ0FUN
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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:26PM

I just got done watching Kristina Rose's scene with Manuel in her Slutwoman movie. Wow. It's emotionally intense. Rose isn't 5 minutes into the scene and she's crying. Manuel plays it pretty cool and even at one point makes her stop because he doesn't want to feel like that. Many times he tells her not to cry, but she's feeling it hard. It's really beautiful and sweet and a little sad. A very special, unique scene. I loved it. To me, this is porn as art - arousing the senses and emotions. It is beyond compelling and I couldn't look away.
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Not me - watched the film 2 days ago- instant wood killer- once she started crying- killed it for me-it just seemed uncomfortable-not sexy- I dont want art-i want porn- and yeah its sad= fucking sad i spent money on this dvd that completely turned me off.

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Ah yes, that's a good one.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:48PM

It was Annie Sprinkle's Herstory of Porn - a truly great movie/performance piece made by Sprinkle. It's kinda like Mystery Science Theater, with Annie providing commentary to scenes throughout her career. She was talking about The Devil Inside Her. It was a total bummer.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:53PM

Haha. I am sure you are one of many and I am one of the few. :) That's why we don't see a lot of these types of scenes. I wonder if Manuel was hushing her, not because he minded the tears but because he knows that getting too emotional makes it a less marketable scene.
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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 12:56PM

I can understand how watching something like that before this would throw off the experience.
I've been watching KRIS scene by scene and when I chapter skipped through the disc, I noticed Rose in near hysterics and was like "WTF is going on with that scene?!" - worried that I wouldn't enjoy it.
Even in the first couple of minutes, with Rose in an empty garage, the eerie music and Manuel stepping out of nowhere to grab her - it was stereotypical rape stuff, but I couldn't believe that Mason would do that.
The second that Manuel brushed the hair off of Kristina's cheek, I knew that this would be something more. Mixing caresses with slaps, he started whispering. I was literally leaning towards the screen, straining my ears, struggling to lip read. I couldn't pick up the beginning, but I definitely got him saying, "I love you, baby", her reply "I love you.". Him, "I do." and with that, I could feel myself sink under their spell.
Definitely give it another go, but you definitely have to be in the right mind frame for it.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 1:05PM

That's what I mean, If i would have know a scene like this was in the movie I wouldn't have gotten it. A fantasy rape scene isn't slutty its disturbing- I would have loved to see a SLUT scene- I like Kristina- give me her fucking on the dance floor in a crowded club- or blowing a bunch of guys in a high school gym- getting busy in a burger king bathroom- lol things SLUTS DO!!

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 1:16PM

"I'm crazy. Allow me to amaze thee! They say I'm ugly but it just don't phase me."...haha

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TONZ0FUN
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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 2:03PM

Can I ask you questions? What about her tears made you uncomfortable? Made you lose interest? Did you think it was because she was being forced? Is it a place you just didn't want to go?
I do not think of this as a rape scene. Not in the least and until GGG brought it back up, I had completely forgotten about the first minute and half because the remaining scene showcased their epic connection. It couldn't be further from rape in my mind.
Do you think that if there hadn't been undertones of assault you would have responded differently to the scene?
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-YES YOU GET IT! In a nut shell- It just wasnt sexy- less undertones of assault would have helped-its like the worst scene in Tori Black's Pretty Fithly( Tori and the two guys in the wear house- would have been great scene for Kristina- it's like maybe two pages in the scripts got switched- (NOT THAT I WANT TO SEE TORI BLACK IN A SCENE LIKE THIS EVER!! IE fantasy rape scene with tears ect..)
What I mean is a sexy one on one in a parking garage with Tori. (Filthy girls do it in parking lots) and a rough 2 on one in a warehouse with Kristina would have been a better switch( Slutty girls do it in warehouses...well every where) .
An as stated before- It just wasn't a SLUTY SCENE- see my early suggestion for the next one they do. You stated that the scene was a little sad...and I agree which is why it didnt work- No Saddness in porno- You see the tears start and it's like "why is she crying- was she raped once? Is this the first time she is being touched in a way she really likes and the rest is just an act. Do they have a past together...ect)mind starts to wonder and the dick goes soft.
If i can add my 2 cents The problem with pornstars/porn companies now a days is they try to be everything to everyone- The same girl who plays a teen,is also a sexy vixson , a dirty slutt, and hot milf all in 3 DVD's I think that with
Elegent Angel - they see that they can build a DVD around a supperstar girl and show her talents to fit your fantsy. ( smart move)
EVA- the return of your old favorite that shows up after a boob job and a baby she can still turn up the heat - She's like exgirlfriend that you still wana fuck even tho she left you for your best friend.
Alexis Texas- The cool around the way girl that you check out in house school and wanted to fuck but didn't cause you had the nice clean cut girl- Shes a little ghetto but sexy as fuck. Type of Girl that would come to your house after school bounce that fat ass up and down on you and then leave after smoking some weed with you.
Kristina - The Slut girl- not in a bad way mind you but- yes she is the girl that will jack off in the movie theater, blow you at a ball game, let you fuck her friends, wear mini skirts in public please like Sams Club just to turn u on.
Tori- The hot chick - the good girl- the type of chick all your friends look at an are like how the fuck did you end up with her? And here is the kicker - SHE CAN FUCK!!Pretty girls never fuck. Every guy knows most smoking hot girls are lousy lays. Hell even most of the really hot porn girls look like lousy lays ( Yes I'm talking about you too Kagney Lynn Carter!!!)
Each girl reaches to each fantasy and each movie represent each girl- So seeing the Sluttly girl cry or the Hott chick getting thrown/slapped around in a wearhouse kills the fantasy a little. Sorry for writing a novel- lol hope this helps

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 2:09PM

This is a GREAT thread, Savoy. Thanks.I hope it becomes a popular one.
But, would it not be an idea to change the topic title in something like "Intense porno scenes" or something like that?
At first I didn't feel like opening this topic because I thought it would be a MAX HARDCORE appreciation topic or a topic for fantasy rape lovers.
I can imagine more people thinking that way and it would be a shame, with all the porn knowledge here on ADT, if this thread wouldn't get opened beacsue of that.
On-topic:
I think one should also look for scenes between real life lovers or ex-lovers.
Think of scenes between tera patrick and hubby or stacy valentine and julian rivers.
Or John stagliano and tricia devereaux.
I haven't seen any of them, but I can only imagine that those could be more intense then scenes between non-partners.
P.s, even though I did saw the slutwoman movie with Kristina, and think Kristina is a great performer, I personally did not find it that great.
I also did not find the idea behind the scene clear: is it supposed to be a fantasy rape scene, or a .....? The first probably not, otherwise she would not have worn the stuff she wore but more casual non latex stuff. I mean what did she do in an abandoned parking area all by herself in the clothing the wore? Where are her friends, still at a party where she was just at? And if it supposed to be a "rape"scene then she isn't quite screaming her ass off or hitting him in the nuts or something of that kind. I mean, there are in my opinion too many paradoxes, one of them also being that she gets "raped", cries, but then on the other hand, seems to enjoy it when she rides him etc and even asks him to help her get up after he jerked off on her bod while she lies there on the ground waiting until he finished busting a nut....
Maybe I'm just one of few who doesn't understand the "WOW" vibe what is going on in this respect....

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 2:23PM

My scene with Manuel was NOT meant to come off as a rape scene! Although I would totally let Manuel rape me. lol. But you can't rape the willing. lol.
The inspiration that Mason and I came up with for that scene was "What if this was the last time Manuel and I ever fucked?"
How would we fuck? What would it be like?
Everyone knows he's my fav and I know he likes to work with me too. So at the start of the scene we all said, "Let's fuck like this is gunna be the last time we ever fuck!"
And we did. And it was the best sexual experience I've ever had. It was amazing.
It may not be everyone's cup of tea. I'M not everyones cup of tea. I get it and I'm cool with it. That's just how it is with this biz. I'm not attracted to everyone as well as I am attracted to people/ things that maybe some people are not into ANNND that's ok.
For me that was my most favorite scene in the whole movie. It was the first scene I shot for my Slutwoman movie and it was still my favorite after all the other amazing scenes ;) I'm very proud of my Slutwoman movie. Very.
Here are some happy girl post fuck pics I took of myself after my scene with Manu. I posted them on my twitter like 97 days ago (or so it says).
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Looking a little busted but VERY happy ;P

Sooooo excited I was bouncing off the walls!

All Smiles..

Still a hot mess but that night I think I was the happiest girl in the whole wide world. I got laid goooooood! The best ever! SO happy that that scene wasn't the last time Manu and I ever worked together but for sure happy we role-played like that ;P

After that scene, the next time Manuel and I worked together was for his movie Phat Bottom Girls 2. I had a whole new level of trust with him and let him go even further with me than I had ever before. I haven't seen that scene yet but I'm sure it's just as good.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 2:53PM

P.S. for those people who think this movie is SENSATIONAL and should win a AVN in January, I would strongly advise to check out the non-porn movie
IRRIVERSIBLE with the beautiful Monica Belucci and her husband! Vincent Cassel. 10 times as intense, realistic and non paradoxical as the former movie.
In France you have a lot of these underground walking areas, and especially at night it can be a scary place (for men and more so for women).
The girl Alex (played by the Italian beauty Monica Belluci) attends (if I remember correctly) a party at a friends home with hubby and after a while walks home alone because her hubby wants to stay a bit longer at the party. She then gets sodomized for a full 15!!!! minutes in this abandoned underground walking/bicycling area, in what some consider the most intense, grotesque and disturbing scene ever shot on film.
I think they cut the scene to about 8 or 9 minutes for the American market, so if you like to see the original unedited flick you should definitely go for the directors cut or some other unedited and uncut version.
This flick has won lots of prices, I think the Berlin bear award( a very important German movie award) and a Award from the Rotterdam film festival(Netherlands) being two of them.
This was such a intense and to some disturbing scene that lots of people walked out of the movie theaters during Robert Redford's sundance film festival in Utah and during the Palme d'Or in CAnnes( the most important filmfestival of France and more so Europe).
This is a typical so-called independent European movie and it happens quite a lot that the actors in these independent European movies are having sex for real.
Here in Europe we have films of actors who just give blowjobs on camera and are fucking for real with closeups and all.
It is said, and it sure isn't denied by anybody from the Irriversible movie including the actors involved, that all the sex including the 15 minutes of anal raping was real in that movie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irréversible
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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 3:04PM

Aha, that's a whole lot more plausible than if this scnene was inteded as a "rape" scene, lol. As said, you sure seem to enjoy getting it on with Manuel

I already hit the "post new reply" button to write about my movie suggestion in this respect, before I read that explanation of yours....
Lol, now your scene makes sense to me

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 3:24PM

Well I know you weren't talking to me here, but I do feel a need to answer.
Tears don't necessarily bother me because I know they can sometimes come from a very happy place. Now if we're talking from aggression, whether controlled or acted, that's another story for me too. Porn seems to play with the latter part quite a bit these days, with many women, and I do mean many, seeming to be really for it and often in to it. Even though I know everything is fine, I can't quite get myself to enjoy such scenes, much less watch them much. I'm glad Kristina gave her opinions on the scene, because after hearing someone say it was a rape or assault type scene, I immediately knew I wasn't gonna watch it. For whatever reason, that kind of stuff just doesn't turn me on. Now I love intensity, and I suppose there can be a fine line sometimes, but I do draw a line somewhere.
Let me ask you this though Savoy. Is there ever a let-down for you when you watch someone again after seeing them in something like that? For me there often is, even though I know in my mind, it probably won't be as good or as intense next time you see them in a scene, even if it's with the same person again. Luckily that let-down doesn't last long for me, and I can usually enjoy them again under less intense circumstances.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 4:20PM

I'm not sure I can bring anything new to the conversation, as so much has been said already. Then again, I do like to ramble...
I'm one of the people who reviewed Kristina Rose is Slutwoman and who did not discuss the whole crying thing. I chose not to because, God help me, I think sex (even filmed sex) should have some spontaneity to it. I know it's not like giving away the ending to The Sixth Sense, but I don't want to be the guy who robs people of a "Oh, shit, I didn't expect that" moment. The best I can do is say there's some amazing chemistry going on in the scene and it's a show stopper (which I think is what I did, though to be honest I haven't re-read my review. Reading my own writing is like listening to my voice played back to me. It freaks me out).
It's funny, I saw those photos on Kristina's Twitter account the day she posted them. At the time she never came right out and said what the smiles in those pictures were all about, but when I was watching the scene months later, I remembered them and thought, "Oh, that's why she was so happy!"
Then, I did something very private and shameful to myself.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 5:19PM

Uh...I in no way meant to turn this into a "rape thread" - sorry if I did. I was actually trying to articulate that it absolutely *didn't* seem abusive, but that such an intense scene was just not going to sit well with me having earlier seen something that effectively recounted a rape taking place during an intense and rough scene.
Manuel and Kristina are in my top 10 favourite performers list, and they're always intense - on a different day, I would have enjoyed the scene (and that day will come!). It's too simplistic to simply see this scene as a mock rape. Sorry if I put that idea into peoples' heads.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 6:35PM

Actually I think Savoy was the one who said it started off looking like the typical stereotypical rape scene for a minute or two, but then actually wasn't. Sorry, I misspoke in calling it a rape or assault scene. My point was that even a minute or two hint was more than I care to see usually. I mean I'm not squeamish, and quite honestly don't know where a scene is gonna be or may be taken half the time. Most of the time it's a surprise I didn't see coming. But if I find out beforehand, or am uncertain, usually I'll avoid it. I would have just looked through the reviews again. Savoy said the crying wasn't mentioned, but never mentioned if the rest of the content was mentioned. So I wouldn't have avoided Slutwoman simply based on this thread. So that was a misspeak on my part also.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 6:49PM

Thanks for the explanation. I can respect where you're coming from and see how messy emotions can hinder your wanking goal. :) And perhaps this is what skronker wrote about not considering the scene to be porn.
But I just want you to realize that tears during sex is not automatically a bad thing. In fact, I can't think of a greater compliment to Manuel's prowess or testament to their connection than Rose not being able to contain her emotions.
And by a little sad, I was thinking of when she was whimpering, "I want to be yours. I want to be yours", right before he stopped her and made her calm down. It just broke my heart because you know she was feeling it so hard, but I guess you didn't get to that part.

I never thought about this scene in terms of stereotypes or expected it to adhere to that. A lot of the movie does though with a blowbang, the slutwoman stroll and that handjob. Traditionally, the slut doesn't feel or more truthfully - no one cares whether or not she does. Something interesting to ponder.
I think it just boils down to different people wanting to experience porn differently.
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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 7:06PM

Well, it's more than just intense scenes I'm looking for. I want scenes where the girl cries because she's overcome with GOOD feelings. It is a twist on those threads, but I knew that the right people would find it. :)

It's funny you mention that because in my experience, real life couples perform average scenes. Like they have their work face more firmly in place because they are intimate off-camera. As if they are working extra hard to protect themselves. Maybe I'm not picking the right people.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 7:14PM

I'm geeking out right now. I get to experience the whole scene like it's brand new!

That's bliss, boys.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 7:18PM

I glad she set you straight because I was about to go off on you! haha Like what the fuck is this guy thinking recommending a rape scene!?! How the hell did he get that as what I was looking for ::headsmack::

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 9:28PM

I guess, I sometimes just interpret stuff like the European guy that I am and of whom English isn't his first nor his second language.
I'm not recommending a brutal rape scene, I'm just giving you material to compare to, and show you what true acting intensity is all about in comparable situations. That is both rape scenes ( at least, so I thought, before Kristina made it clear that it wasn't).I already said, that I hit the "post new reply" button before I read that explanation of Kristina. I'm very slow with writing in English and often need to look up words in my online English dictionary. I didn't advise it for the rape part. And I didn't advise as fapping material!
Anyway, we've all probably seen these so-called fantasy (gang bang) porn scenes ( for example from the gang bang girl series) and saw how the girl in the scene at fist starts to resist and puts up a struggle and a minute later is asking (with joy) to get it harder in her ass or something like that. As said, when seeing this scene on DVD for the first time, it wasn't quite clear to me what the (director's) thoughts behind this scene were. I just assumed it was yet another paradoxical fantasy rape scene of that kind. That's why I responded the way I did. And just like gore gore girl, I made the same rape connection when I first saw that scene. It's as simple as that.

I have to disagree with you on that one. It's basically what TON0FUN said: when you see a scene (or in real life) where a girl starts to sob or cry for some reason, a man ( not saying you ain't one) immediately will think that something (very) bad happened to her, ESPECIALLY, when a girl doesn't quite has the face of a happy camper (this was the case with Kristina in that scene of hers and secondly those "rapey-kind-of-circumstances" didn't quite help either when trying to find a more positive logical explanation for her sadness/scariness). And if there isn't a dialog where they explain that it will be their last time together having sex (Kristina's explanation) or whatever, then how can you expect viewers will find that scene interesting, enjoyable and not disturbing? A man-being the protective human towards women that he is- automatically starts to think something worse is happening to the poor girl. And what Ton0fun said, then it's so long, mr. boner! (especially! after the first 3 scenes of the flick). That all said and kept in mind, I'm not saying you're a wimp and all, but last thing I thought ( and I think most of us) was certainly not "I want to be yours. I want to be yours" and in the meantime breaking my heart while watching that scene. I was more like, WTF did this biatch ass motherfucker do to her? I wish I was there to protect her from that animal, Im gonna lock this MF up in a dungeon and and let a couple of big aggressive gays rape HIM! I'll show him. Or something of that order.... That's called, getting back to your instinctive manhood. Adrenaline sort of kicks in and, as said, then it's game over for your horniness especially if there's still a 5th scene coming after that one. Although, I must say, when this would be the last scene, then it wasn't good either in my book: that would be the total anti-climax of the year in regards to porn movies. That is, unless you get off on Max hardcore-isque rape scenes [xx)] (what a normal person might probably,as said, think this scene is, when seeing that stuff). I mean, ya can't expect that people will check on ADT (or elsewhere) for explanations from the persons involved....about how to interpret this scene. I think most of is don't give a rat's ass about the exact thoughts behind scenes, as long as it gets the job- of getting in the mood- done. That said, most non-rape lovers will just fast forward this stuff or skip it all together so they don't have to warm up from the start again, lol.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:12PM

I don't consider a mainstream movie where an actress is brutally assraped to be a comparable situation.
Yes, I understand that your post about Irreversible went up before Rose's response about the rape suggestion. I wrote so. I was making a joke. I didn't realize that English wasn't a language you were comfortable in so my response was lost in translation.
To me, people who think the KRIS scene is a fantasy rape, do not understand the scene at all. You had to have it spelled out for you. This scene will never mean to you what it means to me. Nor will you ever be able to offer a recommendation because you do not understand what I'm looking for. I didn't need Rose's explanation to enjoy it, her explanation only added another layer to the scene. I was in love with it before she ever brought herself into this thread (thankfully).
I love how you try to respect my "manhood". How sweet of you. hahaha Let's get something straight here, new guy. I am a woman. Maybe that will change your opinion of what I write. I identify with this scene tremendously and Rose is the one I identify with so naturally my response to this is going to be very different from yours. Although I appreciate your essay on why you could never enjoy it. All the reasons I know well. I've experienced your type of male response personally. "Man see woman cry, man must fix." Get outta the Stone Age.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:39PM

Aplus wrote:
Well I know you weren't talking to me here, but I do feel a need to answer.
Tears don't necessarily bother me because I know they can sometimes come from a very happy place. Now if we're talking from aggression, whether controlled or acted, that's another story for me too. Porn seems to play with the latter part quite a bit these days, with many women, and I do mean many, seeming to be really for it and often in to it. Even though I know everything is fine, I can't quite get myself to enjoy such scenes, much less watch them much. I'm glad Kristina gave her opinions on the scene, because after hearing someone say it was a rape or assault type scene, I immediately knew I wasn't gonna watch it. For whatever reason, that kind of stuff just doesn't turn me on. Now I love intensity, and I suppose there can be a fine line sometimes, but I do draw a line somewhere.
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Thanks for sharing! :) But it's not, it's really, really not. Unless of course, you like extremely vanilla/couple sex. I am in no way a hardcore consumer. I like a touch of kink but I can't deal with anything too extreme either. She gets smacked on the face a couple times, smacked on the butt a LOT and a tiny bit of choking and hair pulling but that is mixed with caresses and hugs and kisses and sweet words and intense eye contact. It balances out somehow. I didn't feel threatened by it at all.
Maybe they made a mistake in setting it up as they did because some people aren't quite grasping what is at the heart of the scene. Though posters whose opinions I respect do understand it.

I feel the same way. Once I see a scene like this, I start hunting down everything they've shot together. Most of the time you come to find that you already found their best scene.
But sometimes, lighting strikes more than once. :) Kristina and Manuel's first scene together in "Slave Dolls V.3" was pretty stellar too. He makes her scream out the windows that she loves him.
I want to see "Raw 2" so bad right now. Usually I rent my porn and ADE doesn't rent out second discs. Can't even VOD that motherfucker on ADE or Evil Angel's website. I'm just gonna have to break down and buy it.
Will I be disappointed? Maybe a little. But I'll enjoy it anyway because even if the intensity won't be as high, the chemistry is there.
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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 10:56PM

Diville - I love your rambling. :) No, you didn't mention the crying but you did write, and I quote - "Manuel Ferrara's cock makes Kristina Rose happier than anything of mine has ever made anyone."
Thanks for not spoiling it.
It also reminds me of something that Don Houston over on Xcritic has written a number of times. That fucking Manuel Ferrara has ruined Kristina Rose for other men. No one (onscreen at least) will ever live up to him. I thought that was a funny observation.
GoreGoreGirl - I 100% completely and totally blame you for the rape derail.

Simplistic. Yep.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 11:04PM

Try XRent. They rent multiple disc sets.
Manuel is a lightning rod for emotional scenes. Mia Rose was mentioned, and if she never burst into full blown tears, she definitely gets weepy around him. Also, his scene with Katsumi in Euro Domination 4 sprung some waterworks at the very end, maybe as a cathartic reaction to a very rough and intense scene, or a feeling that she'd been delivered to a place she rarely went, and maybe never again. Not unlike the parameters set up by Mason and Kristina.
It's possible that Manuel's discomfort comes from a feeling that Kristina's response is a little inappropriate for what should be a superficial relationship, at least in his mind. Obviously, it would be better for him to answer that himself, and who knows, maybe he will weigh in.
I know that there are people who are convinced that everything in porn is fake, but I think that sometimes even fake things turn real. This might have been one of those times.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 11:06PM

And so the wonder why the porn industry is dying.

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 11:13PM

Hear her roar!

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Posted - Nov 11 2009 : 11:46PM

I was on a porn forum run by a studio, and the subject of tears came up. I had never thought of it, and was mildly surprised at how intensly I reacted to it--I loathed the idea. To me it would be instant woodkill. It's the same reason I find some Japanese porn disturbing--the women look like they're in pain and crying, not enjoying it.
There's enough misery in life. I want porn to be happy and fun and uplifting. I don't want my heart broken with a stiff dick in my hand. I can get that in real life.

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Savoy

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Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 12:44AM

omg. It was sad for like, 2 seconds. Then it got good again because he held her then fingerbanged her until she dripped a puddle all over the garage floor.

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Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 1:06AM

Love it!
You know, I didn't even notice the crying.

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Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 1:19AM

Yay! Another rec. And thanks for the tip about XRent. There is actually a small list of titles I haven't been able to watch because they are split up on 2 discs. Very helpful.

That would be awesome, but I haven't seen him post here in quite some time soo... I can go with your interpretation. Definitely possible. I've maybe seen about - I don't know - 50 Manuel scenes and the only other time I watched him tell a woman to stop something was when Julia Ann was getting all sassy and trying to fight him in BWA 15. She slapped him and wouldn't get in position. She locked her legs around him and didn't open up to him. I remember his response: "Don't do that. I don't want to feel like that."

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