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| Royal Tee Member 665 Posts 6/07 |  Posted - Oct 25 2008 : 1:01AM[Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Oct 25 2008 : 3:27AM there's a mood? i'm not emotionally involved in any of this and i haven't read half of the posts. just challenging arguments i disagree with. it's a good way to pass time. [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Oct 25 2008 : 9:59AM Nope... no more so than "porn" is misogynistic... This thread alone is probably way more attention than this movie deserves, and it's only received it because of the title... so right away, they (Those who chose the title) are vindicated. And the louder one cries 'foul' the more vindicated they'll be. If you don't like it, vote with your wallet. Don't buy the movie. That's really your only recourse. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Oct 25 2008 : 11:04AM I kind of do agree with NewRomancer here (for once). There are fantastic porn flicks that don't get this kind of attention. Why not focus on the good stuff and ignore the stuff that pisses you off? This thread is exactly why this movie has this title. Edited by - randomprecision on 10/25/2008 11:07:16 AM [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Oct 25 2008 : 5:26PM All, eventually join me... ,-) [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Oct 25 2008 : 8:27PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Oct 25 2008 : 11:11PM You don't have to sell it to everybody in the country. You just have to make a profit. You can ask anyone. Even bad publicity can be good for business. Edited by - randomprecision on 10/25/2008 11:12:07 PM [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Oct 26 2008 : 12:05AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Oct 26 2008 : 8:21AM It would be more accurate to say it's likely because of the 10,000 (another figure of speech) other threads about controversy over race in porn. [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Oct 26 2008 : 9:52PM [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Oct 28 2008 : 10:00PM I'm not trying to say "its the same thing", I'm just wondering does it warrant discussion in this thread? [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Oct 28 2008 : 10:24PM [Link] |
| Royal Tee Member 665 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Oct 28 2008 : 11:16PM [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 1:12PM You go on at length about the need for education but you're posts are full of grammar errors. Second, I'm in total agreement that the word is offensive but I find it rather odd that this one word has been placed as more offensive than anything else. I was recently checking out Billy Watson's site nowayimgay.com which is based all around the concept of "straight" men calling the potential viewers of the site fagots. I'm not exactly gay and this didn't exactly offend me, but is it not the same thing? An offensive derogatory slur used in porn as a major selling point? I'm not saying that the site is wrong for doing it but, just as in the case of Hush Hush, the word clearly does offend people. How is it any different from calling women whores or sluts or as porn often does, reducing them to mere objects for the sexual pleasures of men? Sure, the argument can be maid that these instances are not attempting to be offensive to all women but in a way they are. Porn sends the message that women are tools and objects for men which IMO is the same as using racial slurs. None of it is acceptable and I'm not in support of any of it and I'm certainly not about to call one worse than the others. [Link] |
killbillvol69  All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 3:00PM [Link] |
| M vanHouten Member 183 Posts 3/04 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 3:03PM The RACIST double standards of some African Americans is amazing. A quick google search on this guy turned up another racist gem:Edited by - m vanhouten on 12/16/2008 3:08:06 PM [Link] |
| M vanHouten Member 183 Posts 3/04 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 3:14PM Edited by - m vanhouten on 12/16/2008 4:08:32 PM [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 3:16PM I read that thread you linked, by the way and it's almost hilarious how he claims to have "exposed" me as being white when I've got a list as long as my arm of the posters and porn stars here (including the ones he supposedly only posts here because of) who have met me face-to-face. My identity is no secret. He's delusional, misinformed and just plain retarded. How can I be angry at him for exposing something that's not even true? And that's just the tip of his lunacy. Please, no more stupid contradictorymesshuga quotes from here or anywhere else. They could just as easily be a thread of their own if anyone actually cared what the imbecile had to say. Meanwhile, search the internet for quotes about messhuga from me that exist anywhere but here. Exactly. You won't find any. And you never will. Glad to know I'm on HIS (and a lot of other people's) mind, though.  [Link] |
| Skyscrapper Member 667 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 4:08PM [Link] |
| Skyscrapper Member 667 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 4:12PM [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 4:22PM I'm glad I'm just a Canadian [Link] |
| M vanHouten Member 183 Posts 3/04 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 4:47PM Years ago I stumbled on Blackgirlonline.com and the level of racism was amazing. You even had topics like: "Look how racist these crackers are"...Huh??? Through that site I found places like BET.com and BlackPlanet.com and they were in a similar vane (though much less crude) as BGOL. Since then, I've taken African American complaints about racism a lot less serious. From my perspective (the Netherlands) I think blacks are using the wrong approach. Either you ban the word all together or you use it as an honorary title. You certainly can't use it amongst yourselves, while banning other people from using it. That is racist. A good example of a slur turned into honorary title from my country is the word "geus". The french word "geuex" (beggars) was used by the Spanish occupiers to slander the Dutch rebel-leaders almost 500 years ago. However, they turned the meaning upside down and used it as an honorary title. The rebels became the Geuzen. Of course a better approach would be to stop using the word all together. Nobody uses the Dutch equivalent for nigger (nikker) here. That makes life a lot less complicated. [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 5:02PM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 5:02PM I can call myself an idiot when I do something dumb and be fine with it, but if you call me an idiot I'll be angry. [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 5:14PM [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 6:07PM Now that's just a crock.... To think that Americans, no matter their skin pigmentation, have some sort of monopoly on difficulty... [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 6:15PM Why don't you tell us that words are just words and have no power unless you allow them to for the millionth time or shut up? [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 8:57AM Again, that's a crock... You're grasping at straws, for any excuse, because your position isn't firm enough to stand on alone... And your ad hominem is mostly just laughable [Link] |
| Zaer Deactivated User 249 Posts 10/07 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 10:09AM Edited by - Zaer on 12/17/2008 10:10:49 AM [Link] |
| Skyscrapper Member 667 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 10:27AM [Link] |
| Skyscrapper Member 667 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 10:32AM As a black man I find the black men who perpetuate this bullshit as intra-racists. They will never act like self-respecting African-Americans. They don't know how. Their IQ's are probably not very high. They are making money on their self-loathing. So as white people, ya'll should get that. Those black folks don't speak for the majority. These are not the brightest people. Sure, they've managed to become successful. Rush Limbaugh does it by spewing hatred. Hush-Hush and so many rappers do it by spewing self-hatred. It's all the same thing. So when other black people tell you it ain't cool, believe us, it ain't cool to use that word, ESPECIALLY when used by other black people. Edited by - skyscrapper on 12/17/2008 10:41:30 AM [Link] |
| mariemadison Member 57 Posts 2/04 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 12:01PM Isn't the more important issue, the intent behind the words? "Fuck Me", and "Fuck You" mean completely different things. My black friends drop the 'N Word' on each other constantly, and it doesn't bother anyone, because the intent isn't vicious. It doesn't seem to me that this title from Hush Hush was meant to hurt anyone... to the contrary, in fact, would be my guess. - Marie [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 1:27PM But how about a title like this one: [ invalid url ] of mine from earlier in the thread. I'll quote the relevant part of that post to the point I'm making right now: "...the word ni**er is used to separate the act of giving handjobs to blacks as somehow being different to giving handjobs to whites. One must assume then that it is either a completely different physical experience, thus explaining the difference (which it isn't - either way the girl is stroking a cock), or it is somehow a superior or inferior experience in some way, shape or form. If it were considered superior (by the person titling the movie, not by the girl giving the handjob), it seems unlikely that a typically derogatory term would be used to describe the experience - thus it is more reasonable to assume that the person titling the movie is assuming it to be, or conveying it to be, an inferior experience to giving a handjob to a white man." If Hush Hush were really not projecting what these women are doing to be somehow "lower" than doing the same thing with a non-black man, as you claim, it seems highly unlikely that they would go to the trouble of using a word with such offensive connotations that they couldn't even type it uncensored on their DVD covers. There are a million other non-offensive terms they could have easily used to convey that the film featured non-black women working with black men, if that's all they wanted to do. But they didn't. They used the word "ni**er". That says something. And what it says is offensive. And they knew it. [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 1:36PM Holland is too relax to worry about this whole color thing like in the US eventhough we also have our own slavery history like slaves from Suriname. But then again we got other big problems here in Holland like problems with moroccans but that's another story. [Link] |
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| Skyscrapper Member 667 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 2:24PM I am convinced that SOME white folks are proving themselves to be ignorant white folks. With no sensitivity. No matter how we express distain for the word, SOME of ya'll are just determined to justify its use. So what if some of your black friends use the word. That still does not give them, you or anyone else the right to push it on anyone else. The fact that this thread continues it proof of that. One last time. Last April, the NAACP and progressive African-Americans carried out a mock funeral in Detroit, to KILL the word nigger. We buried it. It got lots of publicity. If your black friends don't read newspapers, magazines, are not aware or are simply ignorant that is irrelevant. They, like Hush-Hush entertainment and many rappers are WRONG. The little white girls who say the word because they tell them to, are fucking wrong! The VAST majority of black people DO NOT like it. Even on here, the majority of black people, on Adult DVD Talk, have expressed that. So let's make things equal. Everyone should just start writing honky, and peckawood, and ofey, and whitey and white muther fucker, redneck, all the derogatory word white words we can think of and let's justify the use. And watch things get ugly because they won't like it. A little common sense people, please. I am out of this conversation. I like porn girls. Not interested in the racial politics. Sorry, i got caught up in it. I apologize . See what the word has done? That's the power and ugliness of it. We can't even talk pussy. I'm here to tell these hot-ass women that I'm a fan and that I'm not some weird dude. And if any of ya'll fine-ass women wanna come to New york to show me your love......PLEASE DO! lol. How about that Sandy Summers? (Sandy LaRosa) I sure wish she'd do more porn. One video is not enough for a woman that fine and nasty. Ya'll agree? Edited by - skyscrapper on 12/17/2008 2:31:43 PM [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 3:07PM There is only ONE race of upright walking, tool using hominids on this planet.... "it ain't cool to use that word" And that right there is what empowers the word... You allow it to offend you... to cause you some perceived slight... Demonizing the word only affords those ignorant bigots one more tool with which to denigrate you. If you rise above it, if you chose to NOT be offended by a word, then they lose one avenue down which they might attack you. "First of all, the only negative stereotype about Canadians, that I know is, that you get drunk on beer and watch hockey non-stop." Those are negatives?!?!? I seem to recall that the Germans or Belgians consume more beer per capita than any other country.... "I'm assuming you're white." And you're assuming an awful lot of other stuff as well.... if growing up in Detroit 'counts' as growing up in Canada, then growing up in Windsor counts as growing up in America.... Or is that yet another double-standard you'd like upheld in your honour? [Link] |
| mariemadison Member 57 Posts 2/04 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 3:07PM Here's my hang up though, I still don't see the difference between (within the context of a 'scene' or a 'fantasy') calling a black actor a 'ni***r' or calling a girl 'whore' or 'slut', when in the context of the scene, it's meant to be demeaning, or degrading. I agree with you that in the context of 'I can't believe I did that!' advertising, it's obviously meant derogatory, but so is "Cum Guzzling Whore', right? - Marie
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| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 4:33PM While I certainly feel that "Cum Guzzling Whore" is degrading as well, and there are several threads here at ADT that have addressed that very topic, I do feel that there is a difference. The difference is that, when you refer to a woman as a "whore", while being derogatory, you're still addressing particular behaviours, or perceived behaviours. If Joe refers to Jane as a "whore", no one will assume that Joe thinks that a nun, for example, is promiscuous. They may think that Joe thinks ill of all women, and they may be right, but it's not a term which paints all women in the same light. Further, the term "whore" is addressing some sort of sexual context, so to hear it in a film about sex isn't completely out of place. Again, is it appropriate? Perhaps not. But is it completely out of place? Not as much as "ni**er". The term "ni**er" doesn't distinguish between one black person and another. It is a term specifically designed to degrade all black people regardless of age, sex, behaviour, education, occupation, etc. It is also not a term that is generally associated with sex in any way (except in the US porn industry of the last 10-15 years). There's simply no reason at all for it to pop up in a porn title. It has nothing to do with describing a particular sex act, or behaviour, or context. That's why I feel that these are two different discussions. [Link] |
| Hold On Loosely Member But don't let go! 78 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 4:33PM [Link] |
| Skyscrapper Member 667 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 5:39PM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 5:46PM [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 6:00PM A lot of people use words like those to describe women in general. I don't think most people only call a prostitute a whore or women who are somehow half canine a bitch or only those women who are extremely promiscuous a slut. No, these are terms which are derogatory to women in general and are words used only on women (I've never heard a man be called a slut unless the person saying it was being sarcastic, in the same whay I've heard white people call each other n****rs). Therefore, because these words are often used to describe women who might not even be acting in accordance with the meaning of the insults, I find it hard to accept that derogatory terms like these are any different from each other. I also agree with something that was brought up earlier in that if Hush Hush felt there was reason enough to censor the word on their box then they shouldn't have used it in the first place. [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 6:22PM I didn't think it was such a good idea, after reading your replies, I now know it was a very bad idea. What's next, "Kikes who Cum"? Racial slurs don't seem to be very sexy. [Link] |
| Sean Renaud Member 181 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 6:41PM [Link] |
| Skyscrapper Member 667 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 6:46PM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 6:47PM I'm not saying in any way that "slut" and "whore" are ok. Not at all. But if you can't see that we're talking about two different types of "offensive" here, I just don't know what to say. [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 9:18PM [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 9:22PM This thread, though...*sighs*...it really saddens me. [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 10:08PM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 1:37AM I can't praise it enough. Truly. Prior to his role in 30 Rock, which it seems like he was born to play, I often claimed that Alec Baldwin's five minutes in that movie were better than everything else he'd ever done, combined. [Link] |
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