^ That's what I heard. Edit: And no, I am not anti-Bree, Girlsway or SBA. I am anti-Abuse, Rape and Coercion. Edited by - FlacFan on 1/17/2019 11:48:37 PM
It's a disgrace this guy won an XBIZ award really. If all this is accurate them Bree is just as responsible, she could've handled this at the time and it wouldn't have gone public. She's only doing this because of the backlash. She acts like she stands for feminism, but when the time came for her to step up to the plate she choose to sweep it under the rug and ignored it instead of taking a stand.Lol wut? That is the dumbest thing I've heard. One guy is an abuser so the next guy is likely to be as well? lol.Well 4 we know of, Lily's lawyer did say others in the industry who want to stay anonymous can.... so very well could be others we don't know about.
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Posted - Jan 19 2019 : 8:35PM
Bree Mills has my vote for the biggest bullshitter of the month. Can she get an award for this Xbiz?
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Posted - Jan 19 2019 : 9:52PM
I feel like Bree Mills has taken more shit in this thread than Stills By Alan.
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Posted - Jan 22 2019 : 3:46PM
Well from what I can tell, no punitive measures are being taken against SBA considering he was at the AVN awards show and it would seem sketchy for him to be there if he were about to be indicted or anything. He also hasn't commented about the allegations so I think Gamma Films has lost Lily Adams permanently as one of their potential leading ladies. Plus judging by his Twitter, there are no shortage of female performers that are still quite willing to work with him.
^Did you really think he would get any kind of indictment because the most I expected was that he would get black listed from most studios. Many of us may think that what he did was coercion. Proving it without any physical evidence is impossible and therefore no law enforcement agency will bring charges because no DA will stick his or her neck out on a case they have no chance of prosecuting. It won't surprise me to hear that SBA is now shooting under a different name and still working for Gamma Productions. It's the porn industry where it's nearly impossible to fail.
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Posted - Jan 28 2019 : 3:29AM
He doesn't shoot for any other studios. He's under contract with one company.
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Posted - Jan 28 2019 : 6:13AM
The standards that Bree laid out in those videos seemed very appropriate and proper in scope. I'd still like to know what Bree and/or the company knew and when they knew it. Assuming they did not know, have they done enough? I think they have based on the criteria of the question. Maybe more importantly, should all porn companies be required to do this?
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Exactly. And based on what? An anonymous email? There is no evidence Bree lied or covered anything up. Over the years Bree has shown more respect to performers than most directors and fans. Ignore the person she has been because of an anonymous email? A poor choice in partners? Bree has done great things for the industry. She's smart, innovative. She makes performers part of the film making process. She has communicated with fans to bring fans into the process. I can see why Lily would believe the email in her traumatized state. But I can't see why so many of you are so quick to judge a woman who has worked hard to empower women in the industry.
^^I think the reason why she got more flack than SBA is because she is the face of Girlsway for most of us and she is the only one who post on a regular basis. If SBA had been a member of the forum and posting like Bree than I think he would have been eviscerated the moment the accusation were made public. Maybe you know a lot more about Bree's involvement in the porn industry than me because to me she is your average porn producer who just happens to shoot mostly lesbian porn. Does she pay her performers above market rates? Does she book performers multiple times because she wants to help them make ends meet?
^^^ I think the comments here that aren't qualifying their concerns about the situation relating to Bree's involvement and just calling her a liar are too much. However, I don't think rational concern can or should be dismissed just because Bree's done things publicly to support women in the industry. Anything on either side of the issue coming from some of the gossip sites should be taken with any less salt than the entirety of the Great Salt Lake. There, you have everything from nothing happened that wasn't consensual to Alan having already been disciplined for misconduct over a year ago, so anyone taking those reports as gospel in either direction are likely misinformed at least, and potentially vindictive in either direction. Speaking for myself though, the concerns I have come directly from Lily's initial statements that she came to Bree and was told to keep things quiet. From Lily's tweets, we can see that she came to Bree with at least the email in June. If Lily didn't disclose what Alan did to her during this conversation, I can understand why Bree wouldn't want things to be made public (though even something anonymous like that should warrant an investigation regardless of the source due to some of the specific details in the email). If Lily disclosed and nothing was done until she went public, though, it would negate all the good that Bree's done in the industry. I personally don't think she should be fired like others are calling for right now, but I also don't believe it's unreasonable to be concerned that the internal investigation might not be enough to find out what Bree's role in all of this actually was. I truly hope that the public statement was the first time that anyone above Alan in the Gamma office knew about any potential misconduct. Edited by - eva93 on 1/28/2019 2:35:37 PM
Didn't Lily disclose her own experiences to Mills with Alan as corroboration? If you believe her, then you should believe her account that Mills told her to keep quiet. People are shitting on Mills because she is in the position of power and is seen as an enabler, while they shit on Alan less as a rapist because it goes without saying.
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Posted - Jan 29 2019 : 9:57AM
According to Lily's tweets she didn't tell anyone. She confronted Bree after the anonymous email but we don't know what she said to Bree. The anonymous email clearly had an agenda - do you really think Bree would make fun of a rape on set? I don't believe the email - which does not mean I don't believe Lily. One can believe Lily and Bree in this situation.
Lily confronted Mills with the email which explicitly references her alleged assault. You believe she didn't confirm whether it indeed happened in that conversation? This is a reverse Weinstein/Tarantino scenario.
February has arrived. Believe GW productions are suppose to resume this month. Expect to see the old team back in place.
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Posted - Feb 1 2019 : 9:27PM
This exactly 100 percent. Of course we can and should shit on Allen but like the member said above, she disclosed this incident to Mills and she couldn't be bothered with it. So don't sit here and talk about how much you care about the performers etc. When she did NOTHING. She's just as guilty as Alan is in my book. Let's not forget, Mills never denied not knowing about the incident Lily is saying happened. That speaks volumes as well.
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Posted - Feb 1 2019 : 9:33PM
Oh of course. Nothing will be done. This is the adult industry, not mainstream. Nothing will be done and most performers will not think twice about working with Alan or Mills in the future. Unless your a superstar and can make money outside of shooting porn, these girls don't stand a fucking chance. It's sad that we will see many more girls that will share the same experience Adams had and nothing will be done then either. A statement will be released, and it will all go away within a few months like every other instance. If a superstar like Nikki Benz came forward with her allegations, and nothing was done outside of the director being fired, do we really think anything will be done when it comes to an average performer speaking up? My guess is no. They will get the Nikki Benz treatment and business as usual for the accusers.
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^ That is unfair to Bree, as none of it was "on the clock" though it was, allegedly done in preparation for a scene.Interesting to see if they make an official statement about SBA's status with the company. If it's upsetting to you, vote with your money by not participating.
It doesn't make a difference if it's mainstream or porn, it's the same. Given that there are way more people seeking work than scenes or movies being shot, for every actress/porn performer who has an issue "doing" the director/producer, there are 10,20,50, or even 100, who say to the person hiring, "I'll do anything, and I mean anything" for the job. If I heard that 10-20 times on a daily basis, I'm sure I'd be in trouble with the #Metoo movement for sure. Not saying it's right or wrong, but it's easy to see how these things could happen.
^Maybe he did but I don't think so. You are correct that there will always be someone willing to get fucked by the agent, producer, director, studio exec and what not but it's also true that many of those people who used their authority to get sexual favor are finally being called on it. There's Harvey but let's not forget Bryan Singer and his pool party. How about Woody Allen who not that long ago could get any superstar to appear in his movie and only get scale pay but he now has a harder time getting anyone to work for him.
^^ I meant on set , nothing can happen in mainstream sets, besides there are no agents keeping off work the actors/actresses they represent Of course off sets there are those who caan and will exploit men and women especially those desperate to work but even them don't do it openly and in front of witnesses like it is on a porn set with the crew watching.
I meant that in mainstream porn there is some protection there is people who actually care , this does not appear to be the case in porn, quite the contrary, those being protected are the abusers
The structure and the people working on mainstream movies aren't very keen to condone any misconduit
Lily needs to be held accountable. This is as wrong as assault would be.
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Posted - Feb 18 2019 : 9:39AM
Since coming back to the States about two weeks ago, Lily hasn't mentioned anything about this on her Twitter.
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Posted - Feb 18 2019 : 10:07AM
SBA should go full throttle on a defamation suit.
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Posted - Feb 18 2019 : 10:30AM
And this is exactly the problem with the "believe all women" mantra, and why I don't support it.
Girl makes an accusation with no evidence, everyone forms a mob to run to her defense and attacks the accused, then we find out that maybe she wasn't telling the truth, and everyone in the mob looks foolish. But if you say anything about it, you're a misogynist. How people still don't see this as a problem is beyond me.
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Posted - Feb 18 2019 : 10:36AM
^ It isn't just in this scenario. There's a rush to judge in nearly every facet of life.
False accusers need to be burned to the ground as rigorously as those they accuse would have been prosecuted.
You really don't know a person just by what you see on camera, not even close. Time and time again I've been taken back by how different a pornstar actually is on camera when all of a sudden you hear about their real behavior and actions.
When people don't realize this they do what happened in this case: Believe anything coming from the person they think they know based on their on-screen personality. I feel bad for the falsely accused guy, he had to be going through hell for quite a while.
That's pretty admirable. I am just wondering if the ones who attacked the falsely accused here so viciously will have the guts to own up to their mistakes.
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Posted - Feb 18 2019 : 5:54PM
Because in your mind, not simply believing a woman's accusation without proper evidence (as we would require in any other accusation), is misogny. Therein lies the problem. Thank you for proving my point.
Good luck with your gullibility.
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Posted - Feb 18 2019 : 5:56PM
Or people can not rush to judgment and wait for all the facts to come in before forming an opinion.
So the end result here is, if she's lying, she's gonna get ostracized out of the industry, and he's gonna go back to work after a couple months off with basically no repercussions. Yeah, lets take her to cleaners because of 2 months of lost work and a reputation that isn't gonna take a hit from anyone that matters anyway. If the accusations are flat out false, the truth almost always comes out, and things generally go back to normal, which is why all the "false accusations are just as bad as real incidents" thing rings completely false to me. Threatening to go nuclear on false accusers has the primary effect of making it so that people who have actually been wronged don't come forward unless they have bulletproof evidence (which they almost never do), for fear of retaliation. Gamma and everyone professionally involved did the right thing, and everyone else really doesn't matter.
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Posted - Feb 18 2019 : 6:14PM
^ Making false accusations is against the law. She should be held accountable, he would be were he guilty. His presented statements and evidence indicate she lied. Why should she not be held accountable? Too many people just walk away after starting shit, and are not held responsible.
Because the primary effect of criminalizing false allegations isn't actually stopping people from making false allegations, it's scaring people who would be making true allegations from saying anything unless they could prove it with 100% certainty, for fear that they'd be brought up on charges of making false allegations. Her basically ruining her own career is her being held accountable, you don't need a court of law to add punishment on top of that.
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Posted - Feb 18 2019 : 6:34PM
^ So people can just say whatever they want and there are no libel laws? No. I don't think so.
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Posted - Feb 18 2019 : 6:39PM
I would. I would also definitely pursue any avenues of leveling criminal penalties against her for slander, libel, and defamation of character.
I'm curious to see if Bree Mills can recover from this. I know a lot of folks on this thread were willing to shut her down for her lack of action to Lily's " charges ".
An accusation should never be enough to ruin someone's life. There has to be some evidence to back it up.
Women should not be believed simply because they are women, and the person they are accusing is male. Anyone can lie. This is why I find the whole "metoo" movement to be very dangerous.
But if we want a non-female example, look at the very current case of Jussie Smollett.
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Posted - Feb 18 2019 : 8:28PM
What do you mean have the guts? No one cares about owning up to anything. It's well known on this board that anything a female performer says is the gospel truth; whether it be porn related, astrophysics, the number of guys they have sex with, or the anti vax movement. Thus what Lily says, happened, regardless of any contradictions.
Edited by - arnold the geek on 2/18/2019 8:30:26 PM
Certain people have a hard on and respond with Glee when these accusations ate revealed to be false. It's like you want all of them to be so they can gloat.
Anyway. This is such bullshit overall it's turning out to be false. It actually ruins it for people who have actually had something happen to them which makes them afraid to come forward.
Though no one would believe them anyway so they'll stay quiet. Catch 22
So thats it, Lily was not totally being honest and its enough to let Alan off the hook? Well Im not. As Samantha put it, one girl was caught in a lie so everyone is forgetting about the other 8 women who came out and told their story about what Alan did to them. Tbh Im never going to get passed what Charlotte said about what her experience with Alan. Thats in itself is disgusting. So the way I put it, the truth about someone is always going to come out by hook or by crook. If it took Lily making false accusations to a fault to shed light on the creep Alan is and how he preys on young women like Charlotte, Samantha, and others then so be it. If Lily coming out gave the courage to women like Samantha and Charlotte to have the courage to finally come out too then so be it.
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Posted - Feb 19 2019 : 9:04AM
Not from me, case by case. However that doesn't mean people shouldn't admit they were wrong about one aspect of a multilayered event.
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