Max Hardcore - highly influential in porn (page 3)

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Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:07AM I wish I could have been part of ADT when Alek James Hidell was doing his Slap Happy thing. I wonder if the reactions were the same or is just Max public enemy #1? [Link]
Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05	Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:47AM I bought one MH DVD... because I wanted to know what it's about. I threw it away... it was a huge stain on my otherwise so fine porn collection. Just the production values is enough for me to hate what he does, totally tasteless menues for example... MH defines bad taste imo. If it turned me on, yes, sick shit tend to work for me, but that's like drinking the cheapest most whisky available just to get drunk... you'll just end up puking it up. As it deserves. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - May 31 2007 : 12:16PM Max has a short, easy-to-remember name and an established air of notoriety amongst the anti porners. He's likely been featured in every anti porn argument ever made since he first started his current thing. Max also doesn't try to deny anything or sneak around in the shadows. He is who he is and doesn't really make any excuses for it. I suspect these things have a great deal to do with him seeming to be "public enemy #1". [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - May 31 2007 : 12:52PM Gunzo wrote: ... you'll just end up puking it up. Click to expand Max is jerking off to that. [Link]

LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - May 31 2007 : 4:42PM Highly influential may be open to debate, but nobody will question whether or not he gets noticed after today....[ invalid url ] [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14594 Posts 3/02	Posted - May 31 2007 : 4:44PM They raided his business months ago, so it wasn't unexpected. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - May 31 2007 : 4:45PM Wasn't that raid the same one that got those Donkey Punch guys into trouble? Edited by - hardware on 5/31/2007 4:58:46 PM [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14594 Posts 3/02	Posted - May 31 2007 : 4:59PM Yes, and, putting my mod hat on, please don't quote when the post you are responding to is right above yours. [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - May 31 2007 : 5:02PM If they try to make this guy some kind of free speech martyr, I'm just gonna .. as an ardent anti-censorship advocate in the past, I .. I'm just .. oh just shoot me. [Link]
cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03	Posted - May 31 2007 : 5:03PM MikeOxhard = nearly a Max Hardcore anagram. I smell Illuminati. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - May 31 2007 : 5:18PM Dayum, this guy might have been serious then...... [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - May 31 2007 : 6:02PM Osama? Nobody has a fuckin' clue where he is. Max Hardcore? Probably every US Government employee gets hourly status reports on his precise location. [Link]
ragingbull Deactivated User 404 Posts 5/07	Posted - May 31 2007 : 10:58PM Have to admit Max asked for it. Yeah their is a lot of hardcore shit out their but in many of those scenes the director and the girl acknowledge it is in fun and the girl may be teased but she laughs. Max makes it look like he really is a scoiopath and plays at pedophilia like no one else, so I am not shocked this went down. Fed charges are gonna be harder to beat then the County charges he has faced before. [Link]
GreenKnight Member 38 Posts 4/07	Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:46PM The problem and what you have to ask yourself is what they will go after next. They don't just stop with one thing, there is rarely restraint of those with power to censor. So what will they decide is wrong for you to watch next. Spanking? femdom? DP? any video that contains gagging? all of gonzo? They aren't going after Max under a specific law.. they are going after him for obscenity laws, which are extremely vague and open ended. A movie can't be purely pornographic by them. Even the most vanilla porn is technically against those laws if it doesn't have a nice story, or a statement in it. They are old laws for old times. The danger is that most people aren't going to stand up and say 'hey, I love anal and deepthroating!' or 'yeah I like to see a chick giving a guy a dildo up his butt!' - so when they come after YOUR preferred genre what hope do you have? The mainstream media isn't going to defend your porn, they would treat it as if it's a sin even though everyone watches it. Have we already forgotten that a lot of the gonzo stuff you people watch and love would have been charged on obscenity laws not too long ago? Many things that you would consider normal and untouchable these days have actually been attacked by the anti-porn crusaders in the past. This isn't about majority, obscenity, or fighting for the people of the country. This isn't about defending Max's porn. Max is simply their poster boy for all hardcore porn, and it's unlikely they see a difference between Max Hardcore porn and the whatever you watch. It's about promotions and serving the interests of small conservative voting blocks/lobbyists, it's political. It's about painting a picture of a criminal, because the sinful criminal makes big promotions. So while you may want to give in to the tempation of joining the the self-proclaimed righteous because it makes you feel more innocent about watching double anal dildo wrestling, you have to consider the real goals of the anti-porn and how far they will go when this battle is over. Edited by - GreenKnight on 5/31/2007 11:48:31 PM [Link]

ragingbull Deactivated User 404 Posts 5/07	Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:51PM You make a good point Greenight, but the state has gone after MAx before. I think Max and Extreme are both very outragous not for their content alone, but also how they present themselves and for their terrible reputations. [Link]
GreenKnight Member 38 Posts 4/07	Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 12:02AM If the past charges had won, what would some of the porn we watch be like? If they get a foothold to ban whatever they think is obscene that could open many things up as targets. [Link]
budtugley Senior Member One man's trash can be the next man's treasure. 1187 Posts 1/04	Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 12:02PM Earlier in his career, Max used underage themes. The gals weren't underage of course, Max isn't that dumb. The series was titled, 'Cherry Poppers.' The gals wore dresses that schoolgirls wear, climbed on playground equipment found in middle schools, showed their white cotton panties, wore pigtails to look as young as possible, had shaved beavers to look pre-pubescent, talked like little girls, licked lollipops, and he played music like 'Pop Goes The Weasel' in the introduction part of the film. The idea naturally was that these gals were virgins, hence, Max was Cherry Popping. IIRC, he was threatened with prosecution and that's when Max switched gears to use the speculums, painted the gals assholes with lipstick, pissed in their mouths, spit on their faces, and acted like the poster boy for Andrea Dworkin and the other anti-porn, man-hating, left-wing feminists. There's a thin line between brave and dumb and Max's been on both sides of it. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 12:24PM And back to the topic at hand....... "Barely Legal" themed porn? Lollipops in porn? Schoolgirl Outfits, cotton panties, pigtails? Shaved pussies both in porn and in mainstream? Whether Max introduced these themes or simply exploited them from others is debatable. But every one of the themes I've listed above played a serious role in Max's early work. Likewise, they run rampant in porn system-wide today. Edited by - Lubenluv on 6/1/2007 12:24:26 PM [Link]
Ryan1481 Member 210 Posts 1/07	Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 12:38PM Although I haven't seen any Max Hardcore movies, I just hate the look of them, the way the girls look so anorexic, their faces smeared with too much make-up and their eyes somehow hollow. Completely the opposite of GGG movies. I'm also not a fan of these 'underage' looks, either. I prefer bootylicious women who look nice and healthy [Link]
leatherdick Member In the Court of the Crimson King 263 Posts 5/07	Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 4:41PM Max Hardcore pioneered what is seen in "respectable studios" porn now. Why did he turn up in Everhard's Jailbait 3? Possibly a tribute and respect.Gagging came from him. He just hasn't moved with the times so stands out. The acts he was doing years ago in American porno are now established in the mainstream. It always amazes me how porno fans take this moral high ground. I'll watch this but dis that. If this guy gets convicted it is a green light for the powers that be to scapegoat the industry. Scooby Doo was campaigned against by the religous right for promoting witchcraft. Max got graphic but porn in the 70's was far more non pc. If you don't believe me check out Alpha Blues Fleshripper series or Waterpower or the Femmes de sade Uncut. Max in turn borrowed from the ultra hardcore studios from Europe. Child pornography was legal in Denamrk in the 1970's something they don't wish to be reminded about. [Link]
eduardo911 Senior Member 1299 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jun 2 2007 : 11:35PM It is striking how perceptions and sensitivities about the use of underage themes (let alone underage talent) has changed in a few decades. Even the Private corporation published stuff in the early 1980s that under current norms would be considered child porn, although I did not perceive it as such when I saw it in the early 1980s (in Private magazines). There were stories featuring very young looking boys (looking 14 or 15). One of the stories was about the kid the boy being hit by a car and taken home by the female talent. He was small enough for her (a normally-sized woman in her late 20s or early 30s) to pick up the kid and carry him into her bedroom. As I said, I wouldn't have considered it child porn at the time; I might have fantasized about situations like that with an adult woman when I was 14 or 15. A pic from that story was on the front cover, and it was sold openly on newstands and in tobacco shops, and nobody protested or even remarked on it. Private also used adult performers dressed up to look like children, combined with suggestive themes (such as 'bedtime prayers'). Now, some 25 years later, the same stuff would probably lead to criminal prosecution and discussions in parliament. [Link]
the unknown pervert Deactivated User I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06	Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 12:49AM No one has ever done more to popularize mustard yellow couches. [Link]
Haze Deactivated User 769 Posts 7/04	Posted - Jun 28 2007 : 10:16AM [ invalid url ] hi my name is roxy jezel, and i once did a scene with max hardcore, who is an evil, manipulitive paedophile. To answer some of your questions, i totally believe that felicity was brought to max, despite not even doing anal. Because my scene with him was just a blow job, and a memory i wish to never remember.I dont like dick nasty, he is an old pervert, who tries to fuck you even when the camera isnt rolling, total sleaze. what you saw on that documentary was all real and true!!!! that is what he is like, he is so nice to you and as soon as the camera rolls he turns into a evil, misoginistic bastard. He held me in that max position on the sofa, and i was kicking and buckingf to get him off me, and he held my arms down so i couldnt get free. i was covered in my own salavia and bile, and couldnt open my eyes, i was in shock, and scared, and then he pissed on me, that was never agreed upon, i think thats so gross. The reason he has so many new comers, on his movies is beause they dont know any better, i didnt know, who he is, or what his movies entail. They havent done enough scenes to know they never have to work for him, and if you have a crappy agent like dick nasty, who only gets you the lowest of low, type work, you are innocent and naive when you enter the industry. But most girls dont want to admit this espechailly when something this tramatic happens to us, we just carry on, and learn. But some girls, they experience him as an intro into the business and are traumatised and never do it again. they arent just prostitutes from the street. not that i think anyway. After he gets you to do a disclaimer on video saying that you agreed to do this, and you are so in shock, and dont want to process what just really took place, you are filled with shame that you let this happen, that you just say what he tells you too. I cried for 2 days after what he did, i felt so stupid and disgusting, he knew he did wrong, he told me it would be a simple easy blowjob scene, he exact words, that wasnt an ordinary scene. My agent derek from Direct models called him and shgouted at him, and he paid me $1000 extra to say sorry, he knew he was wrong. Now4 years later im a contract girl for clubjenna and i would tell any girl entering the industry to nver work for him, and to get a good agent, not dick nasty. Edited by - hardware on 6/28/2007 11:38:33 AM [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jun 28 2007 : 12:12PM I am intrigued by her last statement..... "4 years later, now that I'm a contract girl, I would tell other newbies to steer away from him." The obvious question is....why hasn't she been saying that before now? Does the industry openly condone and accept bad behavior until it's "safe" to say otherwise? [Link]

Ryan1481 Member 210 Posts 1/07	Posted - Jun 28 2007 : 1:25PM LubeNLuv wrote: I am intrigued by her last statement..... "4 years later, now that I'm a contract girl, I would tell other newbies to steer away from him." The obvious question is....why hasn't she been saying that before now? Does the industry openly condone and accept bad behavior until it's "safe" to say otherwise? Click to expand That's a good question..... [Link]
Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99	Posted - Jun 28 2007 : 1:58PM Lube, because agents hold a lot of power. She could have been under the impression that she would not get work if she complained. Now that she has a contract she knows she has some security. Yes, this industry condones horrendous behavior. While there are a growing number of professional people involved there are plenty of total scumbags who have zero respect for talent. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jun 28 2007 : 4:12PM Unfortunately, that's exactly what I suspected. That there's some unwritten rule about "never say anything nasty or you'll be blackballed" in the porn industry. Which actually surprises me somewhat for porn. In mainstream film, it makes sense and the "hollywood mafia" is well known for keeping some actors/actresses quiet for fear of losing castings. But in porn, where production values are so low and it's fairly inexpensive to launch your own content via websites, I'm surprised to hear that the likes of Roxy live in fear of speaking out until they feel "safe." And in her case, that took years to come to fruition it appears. [Link]
ragingbull Deactivated User 404 Posts 5/07	Posted - Jun 28 2007 : 11:14PM their is a reason that out of all the hard core shit produced Max is the one being prosecuted [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jun 28 2007 : 11:34PM LubeNLuv wrote: I'm surprised to hear that the likes of Roxy live in fear of speaking out until they feel "safe." And in her case, that took years to come to fruition it appears. Click to expand Is it even confirmed that the real Roxy Jezel actually wrote that thing? [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jun 29 2007 : 12:19AM It's the intraweb...if it's in HTML, it's true. Right? [Link]
comatised Member 28 Posts 6/07	Posted - Jun 29 2007 : 4:11PM i rented a couple of vids that had foxy lady doing anal. damn she's sexy-reminds me of sativa rose's body. foxy never did anal except in max's films and one other, so it was a treat for an anal fan like me to see. what i saw was disgusting and weird to watch, cause as i'm watching her get analized by his 2 inches, she just has this disgusted look on her face. and yes she's dressed up as a little girl, talking about how pretty she was and that mommy was gonna think differently of her or something-it was weird baby talk. he also did the head-over-the-sofa thing and clearly she's choking and trying to stay in "character" but clearly hating it. and i thought "here i'm trying to watch this really sexy girl who never does anal do anal and i'm supposed to stroke to this???? wtf?" yeah i wanna see her get worked and i wanna see her do anal. i don't want to see things getting shoved down her throat and i don't want to see her in discomfort cause then that sort of primal protective urge comes out and you just wanna jump in the tv and get her out of there. same w/catalina-she does the baby talk even worse and even is supposed to be on the phone w/her mom while getting anal; it was very weird and she was very weird in that scene, like she was on something. [Link]
alanbanal Member 36 Posts 6/10	Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 8:00AM MikeOxhard wrote: Have you noticed the thing Max does where he puts a huge amount of lipstick around girl's lips and draws on their face? I don't get what this is all about. Click to expand Yeah, that is a cool and creative ;-) Something even mainstream Hollywood picked up: Messing with lipstick I think Max has got a massive influence on modern culture. Edited by - alanbanal on 8/7/2010 8:19:43 AM [Link]
elgringoviejo58 Senior Member 1460 Posts 1/07	Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 10:50AM What is Rebeca Linares' opinion of little Pauly? [Link]
Stalag Deactivated User 476 Posts 1/10	Posted - Sep 9 2010 : 2:40AM There was no hardcore before Max. [Link]

BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 9 2010 : 3:20AM [Link]