Max Hardcore(again) (page 2)

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likemyung Member 60 Posts 1/10	Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 2:51PM I love it BlackSix!!! Good stuff. And thanks to everyone who replied(although Duefuss your writing is something to be desired & there are courses that can help you. Just kidding, man. Don't write a three page essay replying to that!!)And I am not homophobic. Hey, I like Max's stuff. That's just me. [Link]
posthum Member 349 Posts 12/09	Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 3:07PM ^ Makes it sound so harmless, doesn't it? I agree with you however that Duefuss' writing style is indeed something to be desired ;-) [Link]
Guam Member 613 Posts 2/07	Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 4:11PM Since this thread is clearly labeled I see no reason for people whining for it to end. I think one of the interesting things in talking about Max (or porno) is where is the line? So much of porn is fantasy acting by females. Oh, I'm cumming! When a guy cums you can (usually) believe what you are seeing. But what isn't fake? When a girl gags, vomits, red pelts on her spanked butt, candle wax, titty bondage etc. I think that is part of the "whiplash" back on all the acting...reality has a real attraction. I.E.: gonzo. Obviously inflicting pain is not the moral line. Obviously snuff films would be. Obviously underage things would be. The old "you know pornography when you see it" is obviously BS, it is all in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I think it is F'ed up that 18 is the age of consent to get yourself spanked and gang-banged and pissed on or whatever, chronicled in the public media for ever and ever. I doubt too many of these 18 year olds are going to look back fondly when they are 40 on the 3 large they got when they were 18 for GangBang 16. 18 is ridiculous. You should at least be to buy a drink after.... [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 10:09PM Guam wrote: Personally, I think it is F'ed up that 18 is the age of consent to get yourself spanked and gang-banged and pissed on or whatever, chronicled in the public media for ever and ever. I doubt too many of these 18 year olds are going to look back fondly when they are 40 on the 3 large they got when they were 18 for GangBang 16. 18 is ridiculous. You should at least be to buy a drink after.... Click to expand But you can go get yourself blown into 17 pieces in Iraq or Afghanistan and nobody gives a shit. Sex is fucking serious. Death? No big deal. [Link]

taylor_swift_tasty_feet Member 367 Posts 1/10	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 8:55AM One other thing while Little IS utter SCUM the girls who allow themselves to be abused to such a degree are no angels. They too are messed up in the head.If some girl is a moron enough to let Little rip her to shreds for a few dollars ( WTF is so impotant to buy with the petty cash Little pays )then she is pretty disposable. 1. May LITTLE die in jail. 2.May the chicks in his "movies" get some self-esteem if they ant to reach 30. 3. May MAX FANS admit they are basicly women-haters. I'm no prude.I like some rough sex,pee play,ETC but I do not hate half the human population. And YES if you don't want to read this thread PLEASE do not click on it. Whenever I see a thread I have no interest in I simply do not click on it. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:03AM taylor_swift_tasty_feet wrote: I'm no prude. Click to expand Maybe not. But you are highly judgmental of people you don't know, which is much worse. There's nothing wrong with being a prude if that's what suits you. There is something wrong with casting negative labels and generalizations upon people simply because you're incapable of understanding that different people may enjoy different things. [Link]
taylor_swift_tasty_feet Member 367 Posts 1/10	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:28AM realtip wrote: taylor_swift_tasty_feet wrote: I'm no prude. Click to expand Maybe not. But you are highly judgmental of people you don't know, which is much worse. There's nothing wrong with being a prude if that's what suits you. There is something wrong with casting negative labels and generalizations upon people simply because you're incapable of understanding that different people may enjoy different things. Click to expand Well we all judge. I would not want that Max garbage being banned I would however rejoice the death of Little and filth like him. I do not understand child molesters but I KNOW they are garbage. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 11:17AM ^We all have opinions of what we like and don't like. It's one thing to say you don't like someone because you don't like his product. There are pornographers whose movies I avoid because I don't like them, but I'm not wishing for them to burn in Hell just because their movies suck. You're here saying that you would celebrate this man's death, that the women who work for him are idiots, and that anyone who likes his movies must be psycho. That is both judgmental and stupid. For you to feel that way about somebody, I would think that the person must have done something absolutely terrible to you or to someone you know, or committed some type of egregious crime against humanity. But you're saying this about someone who I'm assuming you've never even met, and who you hate solely due to a fictional persona. It's like judging Al Pacino as the world's most terrible person just because you hate Michael Corleone and Tony Montana. That's how stupid this whole thing is. [Link]
taylor_swift_tasty_feet Member 367 Posts 1/10	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 12:16PM You made some good points well worth reflecting on HOWEVER Little really abuses those dumb females,it's legal,I know but I think it's wrong. I don't hate the female morons that "work" for Little but I would never want them near me.They merit NO RESPECT. As for LITTLE fact is in a better world he would not exsist. I simply long for a better world. [Link]
Smelly balls Member 7 Posts 2/10	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:05PM I’m a Max Hardcore Fan I thought I’d wade into this debate and shine some light on the type of guy that likes Max Hardcore porn. About me, I’m a middle aged professional guy, never married, but more often than not with a significant other. I manage a staff of about twenty people, about half of them women. I care passionately about equality of opportunity, on the basis of gender, race, nationality, religion or sexual preference. So don’t go calling me a misogynist. I’ve never been to jail (well that weekend in the early 80s doesn’t count), and I probably never will. I have a clear separation of fantasy and reality. As an example, I enjoy in porn watching a cute girl getting vigorously pounded in the ass. In real life, I’m actually a gentle somewhat passive lover. Since my twenties have only performed anal penetration on a woman a handful of times. I don’t really like performing anal sex, but I love watching it in porn. What turns me on as fantasy and what turns me on in real life are quite different. I enjoy Japanese rape porn. I would never act on that in real life. I make no excuses for fantasies in my head as they have no bearing on real life. When I was in my 20s I had a girl friend who liked rape roll play. I did not, but went along on special occasions (birthday, anniversary, whenever I was in the dog house). Her fantasy was to be forcibly taken, including ripping her clothes off, forcing her to perform oral on me (face fucking), and eventually tying her up on the bed face down and fucking her ass with wild abandon. I really wasn’t into it as I’m not that dominant in real life, but I went along to make her happy. At this stage of my life, the women I end up staying with for a while has more to do with compatibility out of the bedroom (do I enjoy conversing with, being with, traveling with her, etc.) Chemistry in the bedroom is a bonus, but not essential. I have fantasies about sex with teenaged girls. Any guy who has travelled to Japan and seen the cute teenagers school girls in their uniforms who claims he doesn’t have fantasies like this is lying to you. Does this make me a pedophile? Not in my book. In real life, I’ve travelled to Thailand a few times. If you really want to have sex with an underaged girl there, it is not that hard to do. However, I tend to gravitate towards the women over 30 for a couple of reasons. One, they tend to be better at sex. Two, I can relate easier to a woman in her thirties than a much younger woman. Dragging this back to Max Hardcore. I enjoy watching the vigorous oral and anal sex. I enjoy the dumb schoolgirl fantasy. I don’t like the pissing and vomiting, so I skip over that. Watching Max face fuck and plunder the butthole of a super cute girl like Leanni Lei will get me off every time. Or Catalina. As for the women that work with Max, they are adults and make their own choices. There are people out there that do far more degrading things for money than be fucked in the ass or be pissed on by Paul Little. In closing, please do not judge me because where my mind goes on a fantasy level. I give it free reign to my fantasies and try not to censor it, as there is no harm to anyone in letting it roam to dark places. Judge me by the way I treat others in real life. I don’t know, but I suspect most guys that like Max porn are probably the same as me and are not closet child molesters, rapists or misogynists. I’m also curious why everyone focuses on Max’s porn, when the “Tough Love” series can be at times even more disturbing if you think about it too much. Regards, Smelly balls [Link]
Guam Member 613 Posts 2/07	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:22PM Really? I dunno...Tough Love doesn't have that reality edge to it. They are acting. [Link]
Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:23PM I would think that the person must have done something absolutely terrible to you or to someone you know, or committed some type of egregious crime against humanity. But you're saying this about someone who I'm assuming you've never even met, and who you hate solely due to a fictional persona. It's like judging Al Pacino as the world's most terrible person just because you hate Michael Corleone and Tony Montana. That's how stupid this whole thing is. Click to expand I don't agree with Taylor Swift's wanting to see Max dead. But I do agree with their dislike of Max. Your comparison is off the mark. I know that neither Al Pacino nor James Gandolfini are mob bosses who routinely have people whacked. On the other hand, the degradation that Little perpetrates is all too real, and IMHO has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with violence. If you like it, fine. (Although I'd rather not be living next to you) But let's not pretend that it's "just performance". [Link]
Smelly balls Member 7 Posts 2/10	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:46PM Guam wrote: Really? I dunno...Tough Love doesn't have that reality edge to it. They are acting. Click to expand And Max porn does? Just watched Chiquita Lopez get force fucked by two greasy dudes in Tough Love 3. Aside from the pissing and school girls get up, I'm not seeing how Max porn is any worse. [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:53PM taylor_swift_tasty_feet wrote: Well we all judge. I would not want that Max garbage being banned I would however rejoice the death of Little and filth like him. I do not understand child molesters but I KNOW they are garbage. Click to expand Let me guess...you're a psycho Christian, aren't you? Death to those I disagree with!!! And Max never molested kids. These were movies with fictional characters and personas. I think that might have slipped passed you as you don't seem to understand that all of the actresses were over 18. If they weren't, he would be in jail for making kiddie porn. Dressing up a woman in a little skirt and knee-highs does not a youngster make. [Link]

Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 11:13PM taylor_swift_tasty_feet - take it down a notch. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 11:29PM I think MH is the poster boy for extreme misogynist porn because, unlike other producers, he is himself the male lead in his stuff. It may be a small distinction, since it's safe, i think, to suppose that all producers of abuse fantasy porn in some way understand misogyny or get off on it themselves. Since it couldn't be clearer to me that Little is enjoying himself as he is slapping these girls around, urinating on them and making them gag on his penis until they vomit, it is very hard to doubt that he is making stuff that he himself enjoys. The Tough Love series, or what little I have seen of it, does not seem nearly as hateful of women, though I am by no means an authority. Also, I know of other products that are far more severely abusive than even Max Hardcore. Still, in none of them does the maker of the product put himself at the center of it, so clearly enjoying his work, so enthusiastically void of any feeling but his own pleasure. This very enthusiasm may account for his popularity and success, and may be deliberate on his part -- acting, in other words. I don't know that one way or another, although from his portrayal by essayist David Foster Wallace and his own words in interview, I suspect that there is very little acting in his videos. None of this, in particular, bears upon my own reasons for disliking Max Hardcore and his videos, so verbosely detailed above, and I have tried to make clear the difference between sexual fantasy like SB describes above, and the dangerous compulsions of abusers that it seems to me Max Hardcore deliberately markets to. It's no surprise to me that Smelly Balls skips over some of the most extreme stuff in Max Hardcore because it is too extreme for his taste. Based on my own sexual fantasies, arousal from any erotic fantasy usually depends on supposing that all the participants in the fantasy, men and women, share the arousal. That is the LAST thing that the true misogynist wants; he wants the girl to suffer, to be humiliated and dominated, he doesn't want her to be having a good time. He wants to be continually reassured that he is the master, the humiliator, the woman hater. That is the very man under that ridiculous cowboy hat in Max Hardcore videos, and, whether it's a put up job or not, that is the vicarious pleasure Max Hardcore is selling. As such, while MH's stuff certainly provides enhancement for the harmless pleasures of many people, and there's nothing wrong with that, his product is also uniquely aimed at arousing the vicious compulsions of genuine, practicing misogynists. I think THAT is why he's taking most of the heat, here, for extreme misogynist porn. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 3:24AM duefuss wrote: Since it couldn't be clearer to me that Little is enjoying himself as he is slapping these girls around, urinating on them and making them gag on his penis until they vomit, it is very hard to doubt that he is making stuff that he himself enjoys. Click to expand Maybe so, but his often limp dick suggests that his enjoyment is largely mental. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 4:24AM zarinafan wrote: But I do agree with their dislike of Max. Your comparison is off the mark. I know that neither Al Pacino nor James Gandolfini are mob bosses who routinely have people whacked. On the other hand, the degradation that Little perpetrates is all too real, and IMHO has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with violence. If you like it, fine. (Although I'd rather not be living next to you) But let's not pretend that it's "just performance". Click to expand It is just a performance. As I've said a hundred times before, the girls in his movies are *actresses,* or atleast so they call themselves. They *act* like they are younger than they are, which is legal by the way. They *act* like they have just been pcked up off the street, or from a bus stop, or at the park, or whereever. And they are paid to be filmed having sex with him and doing everything else that they do in his movies, which they *consent* to doing. What is so difficult for people to understand about this? It all boils down to, "He acts like he's a bad man in his movies. So he must be a bad man in real life." Clearly, you don't understand the difference between fantasy/performance/acting and reality. As far as not wanting to live next to me, that's fine. I don't know what my neighbors do in private behind closed doors, and I don't want to know. As long as they're not breaking any laws or doing something to harm either themselves or other people, I really don't care how people enjoy themselves in private. Since you seem to be the one so hung up on judging people based on what they watch, I think you would be much more of a liability to have as a neighbor. Before I know it, I might have the whole neighborhood thinking I'm a child molestor or a rapist just because you spot me coming home with a porno flick. [Link]
Smelly balls Member 7 Posts 2/10	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 7:16AM duefuss wrote: It may be a small distinction, since it's safe, i think, to suppose that all producers of abuse fantasy porn in some way understand misogyny or get off on it themselves. Since it couldn't be clearer to me that Little is enjoying himself as he is slapping these girls around, urinating on them and making them gag on his penis until they vomit, it is very hard to doubt that he is making stuff that he himself enjoys. Click to expand Is BSDM porn misogynist when the woman is dominated and abused? I think what is going on is that you don't understand the fantasies of others and are confusing fantasies with real life and condemning them. Look, I don't get the whole pissing thing, in the same way I don't get the whole guys fucking each other thing or BSDM. But I don't condemn others for their fantasies. duefuss wrote: Tough Love series, or what little I have seen of it, does not seem nearly as hateful of women, though I am by no means an authority. Also, I know of other products that are far more severely abusive than even Max Hardcore. Still, in none of them does the maker of the product put himself at the center of it, so clearly enjoying his work, so enthusiastically void of any feeling but his own pleasure. Click to expand Go watch Tough Love 3. Chiquita Lopez is slapped around and forcibly face and butt fucked more violently than any Max content. Only difference is she doesn't get pissed on or vomit (at least on camera). Is Jim Powers a misogynist? duefuss wrote: None of this, in particular, bears upon my own reasons for disliking Max Hardcore and his videos, so verbosely detailed above, and I have tried to make clear the difference between sexual fantasy like SB describes above, and the dangerous compulsions of abusers that it seems to me Max Hardcore deliberately markets to. Click to expand Again, you are assuming people that watch Max porn are abusers. You don't know that the vast majority of people watching Max's content are normal people who separate fantasy from reality. duefuss wrote: It's no surprise to me that Smelly Balls skips over some of the most extreme stuff in Max Hardcore because it is too extreme for his taste. Based on my own sexual fantasies, arousal from any erotic fantasy usually depends on supposing that all the participants in the fantasy, men and women, share the arousal. Click to expand I don't skip over those parts because they are "extreme". I skip over them because they are not to my taste. I think if you asked a straight non-porn girl which would you find most degrading, being pissed on, being face fucked until you vomit or being vigorously fucked up the pooper, the answer may not be as obvious as you think. Some guys get off on water sports. Just because it is not to your taste doesn't make it wrong. Go google "butter dogs" some time. I do not understand that fetish, but clearly someone enjoys it. And your "share the arousal" line is pure BS. Most girls are in porn for money, period. duefuss wrote: That is the LAST thing that the true misogynist wants; he wants the girl to suffer, to be humiliated and dominated, he doesn't want her to be having a good time. He wants to be continually reassured that he is the master, the humiliator, the woman hater. That is the very man under that ridiculous cowboy hat in Max Hardcore videos, and, whether it's a put up job or not, that is the vicarious pleasure Max Hardcore is selling. As such, while MH's stuff certainly provides enhancement for the harmless pleasures of many people, and there's nothing wrong with that, his product is also uniquely aimed at arousing the vicious compulsions of genuine, practicing misogynists. I think THAT is why he's taking most of the heat, here, for extreme misogynist porn. Click to expand Part of what makes Japanese rape porn work is there is usually a segment after where the girl is cleaning up after and it is clear that this was all acting (some smiles, laughing, clearly acting in ways a girl who had really been raped would not). Max's porn is the same way, the exaggerated school girl outfits (does anyone know any actual teenaged girl who actually dresses like the girls in Max porn) the corny "Hey Mister" dialog, the over the top sex. It's all a demented act. No one with two brain cells could mistake it for reality. You are taking things too seriously. I'm not sure what you are basing your belief that there is an army of abusers out there watching Max's porn other than your own prejudices. If you want to indulge in rape fantasies, the Tough Love series is clearly better. As for pedo fantasies, there is no shortage of barely legal and schoolgirl uniform porn. And if you just don't like Paul Little, that is fine. I for one, have no desire to ever meet Jim Powers. [Link]
Smelly balls Member 7 Posts 2/10	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 7:23AM zarinafan wrote: On the other hand, the degradation that Little perpetrates is all too real, and IMHO has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with violence. If you like it, fine. (Although I'd rather not be living next to you) But let's not pretend that it's "just performance". Click to expand You may live next to me and not know it. And you would never suspect that I like Max porn. I have a distinctly non-creepy vibe in real life. I am the type of guy that women introduce their unmarried relatives and friends to. If you knew me, by my behavior you would think there is no way that I am into Max porn. [Link]
Smelly balls Member 7 Posts 2/10	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 7:33AM taylor_swift_tasty_feet wrote: I do not understand child molesters but I KNOW they are garbage. Click to expand I suggest you are engaging in "thought crime". I am not aware of any evidence that Paul Little has molested children in real life. Edited by - Smelly balls on 2/11/2010 8:03:53 AM [Link]
posthum Member 349 Posts 12/09	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 2:38PM Smelly balls wrote: Is BSDM porn misogynist when the woman is dominated and abused? I think what is going on is that you don't understand the fantasies of others and are confusing fantasies with real life and condemning them. Look, I don't get the whole pissing thing, in the same way I don't get the whole guys fucking each other thing or BSDM. But I don't condemn others for their fantasies. Click to expand I'm into bdsm and it would be very nice if you could stop comparing it to or equating it with what Max Hardcore does (or did). There's a difference between eroticizing the concept of dominance / submission and abusing people. The more I think about it, the more I get offended by you trying to play it as if judging the stuff he did was judging bdsm communities as well. I'm aware some people may be grossed out by bdsm, but there's no way the average person would equate it with the rape-like stuff he shot. If you're going to defend him, do it without dragging us down on his level. Edited by - posthum on 2/11/2010 2:43:07 PM [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 5:53PM ^Why should people have to defend it at all? Why should people have to defend anything they watch or produce? All anyone needs to know is that everyone involved is a consenting adult, and that everyone is free to either watch it or not according to his own personal choice. This is not even worth the attention that some people give to it. [Link]
likemyung Member 60 Posts 1/10	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 6:51PM Again, glad I brought up the subject!! Simply put, whoever wrote that watchers of Max Hardcore are women haters have no fucking conception of what they're talking about. My only objection to him is for awhile he was using the name 'Max Steiner,' which happens to be the name of one of the greatest film composers of all time. Other than that. . . [Link]

Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 9:06PM If you knew me, by my behavior you would think there is no way that I am into Max porn. Click to expand I was being a tad facetious -- no need to take it so seriously. I'm pretty sure most ADT posters in general are skilled at having poker faces. [Link]
Smelly balls Member 7 Posts 2/10	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 9:20PM posthum wrote: Smelly balls wrote: Is BSDM porn misogynist when the woman is dominated and abused? I think what is going on is that you don't understand the fantasies of others and are confusing fantasies with real life and condemning them. Look, I don't get the whole pissing thing, in the same way I don't get the whole guys fucking each other thing or BSDM. But I don't condemn others for their fantasies. Click to expand I'm into bdsm and it would be very nice if you could stop comparing it to or equating it with what Max Hardcore does (or did). There's a difference between eroticizing the concept of dominance / submission and abusing people. The more I think about it, the more I get offended by you trying to play it as if judging the stuff he did was judging bdsm communities as well. I'm aware some people may be grossed out by bdsm, but there's no way the average person would equate it with the rape-like stuff he shot. If you're going to defend him, do it without dragging us down on his level. Edited by - posthum on 2/11/2010 2:43:07 PM Click to expand Respectfully, .... get over it. As you define other peoples kinks as distasteful and boarding on criminal while trying to keep your own in the clear, well, you are going to get some mud splashed on you. I notice you dance around words like "abuse" and "rape-like". I have never seen a Max film that portrayed rape. If you want to argue that it portrays statutory rape (sex with girls under 18), I would not disagree, but note that the whole genre of "barely legal" and school girl uniform porn does as well. As for "abuse", can you please explain how hot melted wax on a woman's breasts and vagina is any less abusive than Max porn. If you can't, my friend, get of your high horse and welcome to the gutter. After they come for my fantasies, do not think that they are not coming for yours next. You are down in the gutter with me, whether you want to admit it of not. Regards, Smelly balls Edited by - Smelly balls on 2/11/2010 9:52:16 PM Edited by - Smelly balls on 2/11/2010 9:52:50 PM [Link]
DK Member 107 Posts 6/09	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 10:12PM Oh, no! More absurd amateur psychology!! This time it's Taylor, saying in a February 10 post that Little's audience is "basicly (sic) women-haters" and that the actresses in Little's porn "are messed up in the head". Wow, what amazingly penetrating and thoughtful insight by Taylor!! Taylor is so quick to condemn people he (or is it she?) has never met and so all-knowing about the motives of strangers. Until I came across this forum, I had no idea that people in the porn audience could be so narrow-minded. Wishing someone's death because one doesn't like the guy's porn--as Taylor does of Paul Little in this thread--is a little much, I'd say. Now, Taylor, the person rooting for Little's death, is not "messed up in the head", right? Yeah, right. Not "messed up" a bit, nosiree. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 10:15PM zarinafan wrote: I'm pretty sure most ADT posters in general are skilled at having poker faces. Click to expand I never saw the point. I always thought it was funny to see how someone reacted when they asked me how my morning was and I'd say something like - "Oh, I got up, fixed some breakfast, masturbated and got ready. How was your morning?" Nothing makes someone sorry they asked better than honesty. If they really want to get into the juicy details, I'll tell 'em what I did with my other hand while I jerked off. Edited by - randomprecision on 2/11/2010 10:18:35 PM [Link]
posthum Member 349 Posts 12/09	Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 9:52AM Smelly balls wrote: As you define other peoples kinks as distasteful and boarding on criminal while trying to keep your own in the clear, well, you are going to get some mud splashed on you. I notice you dance around words like "abuse" and "rape-like". I have never seen a Max film that portrayed rape. If you want to argue that it portrays statutory rape (sex with girls under 18), I would not disagree, but note that the whole genre of "barely legal" and school girl uniform porn does as well. As for "abuse", can you please explain how hot melted wax on a woman's breasts and vagina is any less abusive than Max porn. If you can't, my friend, get of your high horse and welcome to the gutter. After they come for my fantasies, do not think that they are not coming for yours next. You are down in the gutter with me, whether you want to admit it of not. Click to expand First, mud thrown by people describing their own situation (or mental state?) as 'the gutter' doesn't count much in my humble opinion. Second, if the stuff in his movies doesn't look like abuse and/or rape to you, my opinion of your porn hero may be the least of your problems. Do an ADT search for some of the transcripts from his scenes, there's a nice post where Mike South sums up a particular gem. In which Max himself uses the word rape more than one time as far as I remember. But don't let that keep you from denying the label he applies to his own stuff Third, now that hiding behind bdsm communities backfired, you're trying to associate with the barely-legal stuff. Perhaps hoping they'll join in on your side? I wouldn't get my hopes up that anyone out there is going to say or do anything that could put them in the vicinity of Max Hardcore. What kind of argument are you trying to field there anyway? Everything becomes okay if more than one person does it? When the majority of people who constantly find themselves on the receiving end of labels like 'pervert' think your stuff is sick, couldn't that be something you may want to treat as a wake-up-call? Note: I'm talking about porn consumers, not bdsm players. At least where I'm from the latter experience a degree of acceptance similar to the gays. (Which also indicates that the rest of society gets the difference between submission and rape which you're trying to deny exists.) Fourth, if my stance on Max looks to you like I'm riding the high horse, that may be because you're starting to realize from everyone's reactions what kind of lowlife he actually is. Try telling me I'm wrong there after literally saying you're in the gutter. Fifth, you can keep your 'dancing around' metaphor. I don't really need to achieve something with this thread. Besides a few posters the general consensus is that Max is a pig even by industry standards. The one fighting tooth and nail against this is actually you. Bottom line: You'll have to keep dancing in your so-called gutter alone, sorry. (Of course you could just face a couple unpleasant facts and climb out of it instead, but something tells me you would have done that by now if you were willing to.) Edited by - posthum on 2/12/2010 10:10:18 AM [Link]
DK Member 107 Posts 6/09	Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 11:23AM ^^^^ With respect to posthum's fourth point, "everyone" does not share posthum's view about Paul Little. I certainly don't consider Little to be a "lowlife". I have no idea what he's like as a person nor do I care. I really like Little's porn and am outraged that he has been persecuted by a government agency. Further, politicians and their employees ought not to have the right to deny me and other members of the public commercial access to any porn depicting consenting adults. [Link]
posthum Member 349 Posts 12/09	Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 11:28AM 'Everyone' in that sentence being a slight bit of a hyperbole, but you'll have to admit it's not off by a lot. The government thing is not something I've mentioned, so I'll just assume that wasn't directed at me. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 11:34AM Smelly Balls: Thusfar, I have written an almost book size response in this thread, and it is a lot to ask anyone to read it all, so I will not. But if you did, I think you would find that I have addressed all of your points and that, essentially, I agree with you. I indeed understand and mention in my last post some of the difference between fantasy and compulsion, and I believe nowhere have I suggested that sexual fantasies are not a harmless and apparently universal part of sex, even at their most extreme. As to details of other BDSM or rape fantasy series that are as extreme as Little's, I must defer to your knowledge. I have tried to say in my last post some of the qualities that make MH especially objectionable and none of these qualities bear so much upon what Little does in his videos as the attitude of joyous cruelty with which he does them and the insistence he has on being the star of his own stuff. It's always dangerous here at ADT to demean for any reason any of the styles of porn or any of the many niches, like BDSM, that people like. Inevitably, one implies that, in deploring a particular producer's methods or style, the genre of porn and the people who like it are being attacked. Here especially, where the moderators are on the lookout against argumenta ad hominem (insults to people) that isn't going to happen. Beyond that fact, I have tried always to be as specific as possible that it is Little I don't like: not the fantasy he portrays, but that the way he portrays it-- by its extreme nature and deliberate cruelty -- for actual woman haters, for whom rape and abuse are NOT fantasies of sex but actual behavior, and that by targeting these emotionallly disturbed people, Little, advertently or not, has inspired uncounted acts of abuse. [Link]
DK Member 107 Posts 6/09	Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 11:58AM ^^^^ Well, duefuss is at it again with his typical unsupported assertions. This time, he says that "...Little, advertent or not, has inspired uncounted acts of abuse." Duesfuss, what's your proof of that? Share some specific examples, please. [Link]
DK Member 107 Posts 6/09	Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 12:05PM posthum wrote: 'Everyone' in that sentence being a slight bit of a hyperbole, but you'll have to admit it's not off by a lot. The government thing is not something I've mentioned, so I'll just assume that wasn't directed at me. Click to expand Posthum, my comment about governmental suppression of porn depicting consenting adults was not directed at you. On the other hand, you have irresponsibly mischaracterized the viewpoints of numerous contributors to this thread. No one should object to your expression of your own views, but please do not attempt to claim that "everyone" or almost everyone concurs with you. [Link]

posthum Member 349 Posts 12/09	Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 12:16PM Props for putting it in such a polite way DK. But as far as the mischaracterization goes, all you'd have had to do is look at some of the previous threads on this matter and convince yourself. I wasn't speaking for anybody else, I was referring to views people have already expressed on their own. Edited by - posthum on 2/12/2010 12:19:24 PM [Link]
Jollymann Member 9 Posts 2/10	Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 3:23PM I just have to weigh in here. I've read some of the posts and I can generalize that it's a kind of a love-hate thing for Max. The way I see it is this. This guy has been shooting porn for years and years, his way. Not yours and not someone elses. Like Frank Sinatra. His way. You don't have to like it. But if you beleive in freedom like Max does and like most of us do, then you ought to be dammed upset by this man being railroaded by narrow minded assholes and tossed into the slammer over doing what basically is done by lots of studios, and lots of directors, and lots of actors. Yeah it's kind of crude and rough, but I personally don't see a problem with that. Sometimes I get in a Max Hardcore kind of way. So I watch it sometimes. But for this guy to be signaled out over someone's personal offense, especially prosecuters and the little minded people(jurors in that State, FL?) who bought into their brand of prohibition and persecution, it's a shamful travesty. Even more specifically it's a total violation of the 1st Amendment. Freedom loving people ought to be able to see that. If you can't, then you may blind to the virtues of our way of life. Or possibly you let your inhibitons and hang ups influence your rational, fairplay minded thinking excessively. I suggest if you sympathize with this man's wrongful ordeal, that you, like me, get his address in New Mexico where La Tuna is and send him some old fashioned mail. He's there for three more years. I'd rather not write it here. It may not be allowed. Plus some of you might find it too easy to use it for hate mail. It's not that hard to obtain. He will appreciate it, and you will be consistent with your values. If you've ever bought one of his films, then you really ought to. Derek J. Edited by - Jollymann on 2/12/2010 7:38:35 PM [Link]
Guam Member 613 Posts 2/07	Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 3:42PM I think anyone that is a fan of the adult industry and freedom that actually looks at what Max was charged and convicted of should have severe concerns. First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me. [Link]
Guam Member 613 Posts 2/07	Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 3:45PM PS: If you ever seen what the feds did to Tommy Chong -- put him in federal prison for manufacturing bongs (not dope, mind you, pipes)this should ring a bell. This is BS. Go snag some terrorists. [Link]
Jollymann Member 9 Posts 2/10	Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 5:02PM Edited by - Jollymann on 2/13/2010 12:39:47 AM [Link]
Jollymann Member 9 Posts 2/10	Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 12:31AM I may as well add that this whole case isn't that different to what happened with the star of "Deep Throat" in about 1974. His name is Harry Reems (the lead guy) and he was worked over by the same system for similar reasons. Look him up for yourself and decide for yourself. In both cases it had to do with state law obscenity violations. In Max's case, there was the issue with interstate movie sales as well. All of it total muck of course. There is a documentary on it of particular interest. I just can't remember the name right off. I think it's the only one though on Deep Throat. I hope Max's case gets some biographic treatment too for the sake of the public's learning. D.J. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 4:52AM Jollymann wrote: I just have to weigh in here. I've read some of the posts and I can generalize that it's a kind of a love-hate thing for Max. The way I see it is this. This guy has been shooting porn for years and years, his way. Not yours and not someone elses. Like Frank Sinatra. His way. You don't have to like it. But if you beleive in freedom like Max does and like most of us do, then you ought to be dammed upset by this man being railroaded by narrow minded assholes and tossed into the slammer over doing what basically is done by lots of studios, and lots of directors, and lots of actors. Yeah it's kind of crude and rough, but I personally don't see a problem with that. Sometimes I get in a Max Hardcore kind of way. So I watch it sometimes. But for this guy to be signaled out over someone's personal offense, especially prosecuters and the little minded people(jurors in that State, FL?) who bought into their brand of prohibition and persecution, it's a shamful travesty. Even more specifically it's a total violation of the 1st Amendment. Freedom loving people ought to be able to see that. If you can't, then you may blind to the virtues of our way of life. Or possibly you let your inhibitons and hang ups influence your rational, fairplay minded thinking excessively. I suggest if you sympathize with this man's wrongful ordeal, that you, like me, get his address in New Mexico where La Tuna is and send him some old fashioned mail. He's there for three more years. I'd rather not write it here. It may not be allowed. Plus some of you might find it too easy to use it for hate mail. It's not that hard to obtain. He will appreciate it, and you will be consistent with your values. If you've ever bought one of his films, then you really ought to. Derek J. Edited by - Jollymann on 2/12/2010 7:38:35 PM Click to expand Not that I blame you, but you haven't been reading this thread closely, else you would know that there is prettty general agreement about the injustice of Little's conviction and incarceration. At issue, my issue, that is, remains what it always has been, and that is the nature of this man's product. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 6:02AM Guam wrote: I think anyone that is a fan of the adult industry and freedom that actually looks at what Max was charged and convicted of should have severe concerns. First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me. Click to expand Oh fucking please, you're honestly comparing a guy who made money by pissing on women and making them vomit to the victims of the shoah? [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 6:07AM DK wrote: ^^^^ Well, duefuss is at it again with his typical unsupported assertions. This time, he says that "...Little, advertent or not, has inspired uncounted acts of abuse." Duesfuss, what's your proof of that? Share some specific examples, please. Click to expand Well, DK is at it again, ignoring the issue at hand, and every other word I have written to quote me out of context in another attempt to, for some reason, make a fool of me. Fine. I'm a fool. Feel better now? Now, for Gosh sakes, DK, stop letting this matter to you so much. Get out more. Go to a movie. Enjoy your life. Believe me it's too short to waste on putting down some old guy you have nothing to do with. [Link]
taylor_swift_tasty_feet Member 367 Posts 1/10	Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 9:32AM I'm not 100% certain about much in life.I'm however 100% certain about THE FACT that some of my fellow members on this here forum are in a state of denial. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 5:52PM ^ It's not really about being in denial. It's about all or nothing. The enemies of porn think in absolutes and they are willing to use any amount of indecision and/or divisions, squabbling or disagreement against us. They don't play fair. They want nothing less than the utter destruction of sexual freedom as we know it and if we let them use Max Hardcore in furtherance of that objective, that's exactly what they'll do. In other words, we can't afford NOT to think exactly the same way our enemies do. Winning is all that matters to them. You win or you lose. You're not a "good guy" because you think Max is repulsive. You're still a disgusting pervert to them and that's all you'll ever be in their book. You can't play those games with these people. Edited by - randomprecision on 2/13/2010 6:52:44 PM [Link]
posthum Member 349 Posts 12/09	Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 7:38PM I can only speak for myself (hi DK!), but my stance on Max isn't based on what I hope other people will think of me because of it. [Link]
Guam Member 613 Posts 2/07	Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 11:23PM BlackSix wrote: Oh fucking please, you're honestly comparing a guy who made money by pissing on women and making them vomit to the victims of the shoah? Click to expand Well, lol....on one level, I could say the Nazis started more innocuous.....they didn't START with prison, they started with yellow triangles sewn into Jews' clothing. There is a reason for the NRA's success. They chose as their dogged outer perimeter issues like handguns and automatic weapons, not "rifle" as their name suggests. Let Max's fisting and pissing and etc be banned, and what is next? Hustlers "Golden Showers?" Do you think the people wanting to ban Max are tolerant of the next level down and will stop there when then smell blood? Once censorship begins it is a slippery slope with momentum. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 11:39PM BlackSix wrote: Oh fucking please, you're honestly comparing a guy who made money by pissing on women and making them vomit to the victims of the shoah? Click to expand Well ... [Link]
DK Member 107 Posts 6/09	Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 1:33AM duefuss wrote: DK wrote: ^^^^ Well, duefuss is at it again with his typical unsupported assertions. This time, he says that "...Little, advertent or not, has inspired uncounted acts of abuse." Duesfuss, what's your proof of that? Share some specific examples, please. Click to expand Well, DK is at it again, ignoring the issue at hand, and every other word I have written to quote me out of context in another attempt to, for some reason, make a fool of me. Fine. I'm a fool. Feel better now? Now, for Gosh sakes, DK, stop letting this matter to you so much. Get out more. Go to a movie. Enjoy your life. Believe me it's too short to waste on putting down some old guy you have nothing to do with. Click to expand Duefuss, it is hardly appropriate for a participant in this forum to suggest what other participants ought to do with their lives. Personally, I hope that you and others whose views I do not share have an enjoyable time, always. Now, duefuss, the issue at hand is that you repeatedly make rash, broad statements in this thread that are unsupported. If my calling attention to your repeatedly doing that and asking for supportive facts causes you to feel that I'm making a fool of you, that is not my intent. No one needs to make a fool of you, you're great at doing ...oh, I won't say it. Now, what contextual distortion have I made in asking you to support your assertions? If you have some data on harm that Paul Little's porn has caused, please share it with us. If you can't back up your very extravagant claims, why should anyone bother to read your rants? My intent here is to express my unqualified enthusiasm for the porn of Paul Little, which I thoroughly enjoy watching, and to express my disgust that politicians and their employees have taken action to interdict my access to that porn. As I see it, the persecution of Paul Little is outrageous, and he should be pardoned at once. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 4:04AM skronker wrote: BlackSix wrote: Oh fucking please, you're honestly comparing a guy who made money by pissing on women and making them vomit to the victims of the shoah? Click to expand Well ... Click to expand That case is obviously fucked up, as is Max's to some degree, but to pretend that Kristallnacht is right around the corner because the right wingers want to return the US to the 50s is paranoia imo. [Link]

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likemyung
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Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 2:51PM

I love it BlackSix!!! Good stuff. And thanks to everyone who replied(although Duefuss your writing is something to be desired & there are courses that can help you. Just kidding, man. Don't write a three page essay replying to that!!)And I am not homophobic. Hey, I like Max's stuff. That's just me.

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posthum
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Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 3:07PM

^ Makes it sound so harmless, doesn't it? I agree with you however that Duefuss' writing style *is* indeed something to be desired ;-)

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Guam
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Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 4:11PM

Since this thread is clearly labeled I see no reason for people whining for it to end.
I think one of the interesting things in talking about Max (or porno) is where is the line?
So much of porn is fantasy acting by females. Oh, I'm cumming! When a guy cums you can (usually) believe what you are seeing.
But what isn't fake? When a girl gags, vomits, red pelts on her spanked butt, candle wax, titty bondage etc. I think that is part of the "whiplash" back on all the acting...reality has a real attraction. I.E.: gonzo.
Obviously inflicting pain is not the moral line.
Obviously snuff films would be.
Obviously underage things would be.
The old "you know pornography when you see it" is obviously BS, it is all in the eye of the beholder.
Personally, I think it is F'ed up that 18 is the age of consent to get yourself spanked and gang-banged and pissed on or whatever, chronicled in the public media for ever and ever. I doubt too many of these 18 year olds are going to look back fondly when they are 40 on the 3 large they got when they were 18 for GangBang 16.
18 is ridiculous. You should at least be to buy a drink after....

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Feb 9 2010 : 10:09PM

But you can go get yourself blown into 17 pieces in Iraq or Afghanistan and nobody gives a shit. Sex is fucking serious. Death? No big deal.

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taylor_swift_tasty_feet
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 8:55AM

One other thing while Little IS utter SCUM the girls who allow themselves to be abused to such a degree are no angels. They too are messed up in the head.If some girl is a moron enough to let Little rip her to shreds for a few dollars ( WTF is so impotant to buy with the petty cash Little pays )then she is pretty disposable.
1. May LITTLE die in jail.
2.May the chicks in his "movies" get some self-esteem if they ant to reach 30.
3. May MAX FANS admit they are basicly women-haters.
I'm no prude.I like some rough sex,pee play,ETC but I do not hate half the human population.
And YES if you don't want to read this thread PLEASE do not click on it. Whenever I see a thread I have no interest in I simply do not click on it.

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realtip
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:03AM

Maybe not. But you are highly judgmental of people you don't know, which is much worse. There's nothing wrong with being a prude if that's what suits you. There is something wrong with casting negative labels and generalizations upon people simply because you're incapable of understanding that different people may enjoy different things.

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taylor_swift_tasty_feet
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:28AM

Well we all judge. I would not want that Max garbage being banned I would however rejoice the death of Little and filth like him.
I do not understand child molesters but I KNOW they are garbage.

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realtip
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 11:17AM

^We all have opinions of what we like and don't like. It's one thing to say you don't like someone because you don't like his product. There are pornographers whose movies I avoid because I don't like them, but I'm not wishing for them to burn in Hell just because their movies suck.
You're here saying that you would celebrate this man's death, that the women who work for him are idiots, and that anyone who likes his movies must be psycho. That is both judgmental and stupid. For you to feel that way about somebody, I would think that the person must have done something absolutely terrible to you or to someone you know, or committed some type of egregious crime against humanity. But you're saying this about someone who I'm assuming you've never even met, and who you hate solely due to a fictional persona. It's like judging Al Pacino as the world's most terrible person just because you hate Michael Corleone and Tony Montana. That's how stupid this whole thing is.

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taylor_swift_tasty_feet
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 12:16PM

You made some good points well worth reflecting on HOWEVER Little really abuses those dumb females,it's legal,I know but I think it's wrong. I don't hate the female morons that "work" for Little but I would never want them near me.They merit NO RESPECT.
As for LITTLE fact is in a better world he would not exsist. I simply long for a better world.

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Smelly balls
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:05PM

I’m a Max Hardcore Fan
I thought I’d wade into this debate and shine some light on the type of guy that likes Max Hardcore porn. About me, I’m a middle aged professional guy, never married, but more often than not with a significant other. I manage a staff of about twenty people, about half of them women. I care passionately about equality of opportunity, on the basis of gender, race, nationality, religion or sexual preference. So don’t go calling me a misogynist. I’ve never been to jail (well that weekend in the early 80s doesn’t count), and I probably never will.
I have a clear separation of fantasy and reality. As an example, I enjoy in porn watching a cute girl getting vigorously pounded in the ass. In real life, I’m actually a gentle somewhat passive lover. Since my twenties have only performed anal penetration on a woman a handful of times. I don’t really like performing anal sex, but I love watching it in porn. What turns me on as fantasy and what turns me on in real life are quite different.
I enjoy Japanese rape porn. I would never act on that in real life. I make no excuses for fantasies in my head as they have no bearing on real life. When I was in my 20s I had a girl friend who liked rape roll play. I did not, but went along on special occasions (birthday, anniversary, whenever I was in the dog house). Her fantasy was to be forcibly taken, including ripping her clothes off, forcing her to perform oral on me (face fucking), and eventually tying her up on the bed face down and fucking her ass with wild abandon. I really wasn’t into it as I’m not that dominant in real life, but I went along to make her happy.
At this stage of my life, the women I end up staying with for a while has more to do with compatibility out of the bedroom (do I enjoy conversing with, being with, traveling with her, etc.) Chemistry in the bedroom is a bonus, but not essential.
I have fantasies about sex with teenaged girls. Any guy who has travelled to Japan and seen the cute teenagers school girls in their uniforms who claims he doesn’t have fantasies like this is lying to you. Does this make me a pedophile? Not in my book. In real life, I’ve travelled to Thailand a few times. If you really want to have sex with an underaged girl there, it is not that hard to do. However, I tend to gravitate towards the women over 30 for a couple of reasons. One, they tend to be better at sex. Two, I can relate easier to a woman in her thirties than a much younger woman.
Dragging this back to Max Hardcore. I enjoy watching the vigorous oral and anal sex. I enjoy the dumb schoolgirl fantasy. I don’t like the pissing and vomiting, so I skip over that. Watching Max face fuck and plunder the butthole of a super cute girl like Leanni Lei will get me off every time. Or Catalina. As for the women that work with Max, they are adults and make their own choices. There are people out there that do far more degrading things for money than be fucked in the ass or be pissed on by Paul Little.
In closing, please do not judge me because where my mind goes on a fantasy level. I give it free reign to my fantasies and try not to censor it, as there is no harm to anyone in letting it roam to dark places. Judge me by the way I treat others in real life. I don’t know, but I suspect most guys that like Max porn are probably the same as me and are not closet child molesters, rapists or misogynists.
I’m also curious why everyone focuses on Max’s porn, when the “Tough Love” series can be at times even more disturbing if you think about it too much.
Regards,
Smelly balls

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Guam
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:22PM

Really? I dunno...Tough Love doesn't have that reality edge to it. They are acting.

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Smiler Grogan

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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:23PM

I don't agree with Taylor Swift's wanting to see Max dead.
But I do agree with their dislike of Max. Your comparison is off the mark. I know that neither Al Pacino nor James Gandolfini are mob bosses who routinely have people whacked.
On the other hand, the degradation that Little perpetrates is all too real, and IMHO has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with violence. If you like it, fine. (Although I'd rather not be living next to you) But let's not pretend that it's "just performance".

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Smelly balls
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:46PM

And Max porn does? Just watched Chiquita Lopez get force fucked by two greasy dudes in Tough Love 3. Aside from the pissing and school girls get up, I'm not seeing how Max porn is any worse.

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ChodeMasterJ
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 10:53PM

Let me guess...you're a psycho Christian, aren't you? Death to those I disagree with!!!
And Max never molested kids. These were movies with fictional characters and personas. I think that might have slipped passed you as you don't seem to understand that all of the actresses were over 18. If they weren't, he would be in jail for making kiddie porn. Dressing up a woman in a little skirt and knee-highs does not a youngster make.

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Savoy

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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 11:13PM

taylor_swift_tasty_feet - take it down a notch.

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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 10 2010 : 11:29PM

I think MH is the poster boy for extreme misogynist porn because, unlike other producers, he is himself the male lead in his stuff.
It may be a small distinction, since it's safe, i think, to suppose that all producers of abuse fantasy porn in some way understand misogyny or get off on it themselves. Since it couldn't be clearer to me that Little is enjoying himself as he is slapping these girls around, urinating on them and making them gag on his penis until they vomit, it is very hard to doubt that he is making stuff that he himself enjoys.
The Tough Love series, or what little I have seen of it, does not seem nearly as hateful of women, though I am by no means an authority. Also, I know of other products that are far more severely abusive than even Max Hardcore.
Still, in none of them does the maker of the product put himself at the center of it, so clearly enjoying his work, so enthusiastically void of any feeling but his own pleasure.
This very enthusiasm may account for his popularity and success, and may be deliberate on his part -- acting, in other words. I don't know that one way or another, although from his portrayal by essayist David Foster Wallace and his own words in interview, I suspect that there is very little acting in his videos.
None of this, in particular, bears upon my own reasons for disliking Max Hardcore and his videos, so verbosely detailed above, and I have tried to make clear the difference between sexual fantasy like SB describes above, and the dangerous compulsions of abusers that it seems to me Max Hardcore deliberately markets to.
It's no surprise to me that Smelly Balls skips over some of the most extreme stuff in Max Hardcore because it is too extreme for his taste. Based on my own sexual fantasies, arousal from any erotic fantasy usually depends on supposing that all the participants in the fantasy, men and women, share the arousal.
That is the LAST thing that the true misogynist wants; he wants the girl to suffer, to be humiliated and dominated, he doesn't want her to be having a good time. He wants to be continually reassured that he is the master, the humiliator, the woman hater. That is the very man under that ridiculous cowboy hat in Max Hardcore videos, and, whether it's a put up job or not, that is the vicarious pleasure Max Hardcore is selling.
As such, while MH's stuff certainly provides enhancement for the harmless pleasures of many people, and there's nothing wrong with that, his product is also uniquely aimed at arousing the vicious compulsions of genuine, practicing misogynists. I think THAT is why he's taking most of the heat, here, for extreme misogynist porn.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 3:24AM

Maybe so, but his often limp dick suggests that his enjoyment is largely mental.

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realtip
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 4:24AM

It is just a performance. As I've said a hundred times before, the girls in his movies are actresses, or atleast so they call themselves. They act like they are younger than they are, which is legal by the way. They act like they have just been pcked up off the street, or from a bus stop, or at the park, or whereever. And they are paid to be filmed having sex with him and doing everything else that they do in his movies, which they consent to doing. What is so difficult for people to understand about this? It all boils down to, "He acts like he's a bad man in his movies. So he must be a bad man in real life." Clearly, you don't understand the difference between fantasy/performance/acting and reality.
As far as not wanting to live next to me, that's fine. I don't know what my neighbors do in private behind closed doors, and I don't want to know. As long as they're not breaking any laws or doing something to harm either themselves or other people, I really don't care how people enjoy themselves in private. Since you seem to be the one so hung up on judging people based on what they watch, I think you would be much more of a liability to have as a neighbor. Before I know it, I might have the whole neighborhood thinking I'm a child molestor or a rapist just because you spot me coming home with a porno flick.

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Smelly balls
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 7:16AM

Is BSDM porn misogynist when the woman is dominated and abused? I think what is going on is that you don't understand the fantasies of others and are confusing fantasies with real life and condemning them. Look, I don't get the whole pissing thing, in the same way I don't get the whole guys fucking each other thing or BSDM. But I don't condemn others for their fantasies.

Go watch Tough Love 3. Chiquita Lopez is slapped around and forcibly face and butt fucked more violently than any Max content. Only difference is she doesn't get pissed on or vomit (at least on camera). Is Jim Powers a misogynist?

Again, you are assuming people that watch Max porn are abusers. You don't know that the vast majority of people watching Max's content are normal people who separate fantasy from reality.

I don't skip over those parts because they are "extreme". I skip over them because they are not to my taste. I think if you asked a straight non-porn girl which would you find most degrading, being pissed on, being face fucked until you vomit or being vigorously fucked up the pooper, the answer may not be as obvious as you think.
Some guys get off on water sports. Just because it is not to your taste doesn't make it wrong.
Go google "butter dogs" some time. I do not understand that fetish, but clearly someone enjoys it.
And your "share the arousal" line is pure BS. Most girls are in porn for money, period.

Part of what makes Japanese rape porn work is there is usually a segment after where the girl is cleaning up after and it is clear that this was all acting (some smiles, laughing, clearly acting in ways a girl who had really been raped would not).
Max's porn is the same way, the exaggerated school girl outfits (does anyone know any actual teenaged girl who actually dresses like the girls in Max porn) the corny "Hey Mister" dialog, the over the top sex. It's all a demented act. No one with two brain cells could mistake it for reality. You are taking things too seriously.
I'm not sure what you are basing your belief that there is an army of abusers out there watching Max's porn other than your own prejudices. If you want to indulge in rape fantasies, the Tough Love series is clearly better. As for pedo fantasies, there is no shortage of barely legal and schoolgirl uniform porn.
And if you just don't like Paul Little, that is fine. I for one, have no desire to ever meet Jim Powers.

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Smelly balls
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 7:23AM

Smelly balls
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 7:33AM

I suggest you are engaging in "thought crime". I am not aware of any evidence that Paul Little has molested children in real life.
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posthum
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 2:38PM

I'm into bdsm and it would be very nice if you could stop comparing it to or equating it with what Max Hardcore does (or did).
There's a difference between eroticizing the concept of dominance / submission and abusing people.
The more I think about it, the more I get offended by you trying to play it as if judging the stuff he did was judging bdsm communities as well.
I'm aware some people may be grossed out by bdsm, but there's no way the average person would equate it with the rape-like stuff he shot.
If you're going to defend him, do it without dragging us down on his level.

Edited by - posthum on 2/11/2010 2:43:07 PM

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realtip
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 5:53PM

^Why should people have to defend it at all? Why should people have to defend anything they watch or produce? All anyone needs to know is that everyone involved is a consenting adult, and that everyone is free to either watch it or not according to his own personal choice. This is not even worth the attention that some people give to it.

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likemyung
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 6:51PM

Again, glad I brought up the subject!! Simply put, whoever wrote that watchers of Max Hardcore are women haters have no fucking conception of what they're talking about. My only objection to him is for awhile he was using the name 'Max Steiner,' which happens to be the name of one of the greatest film composers of all time. Other than that. . .

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Smiler Grogan

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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 9:06PM

I was being a tad facetious -- no need to take it so seriously. I'm pretty sure most ADT posters in general are skilled at having poker faces.

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Smelly balls
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 9:20PM

posthum wrote:
Smelly balls wrote:
Is BSDM porn misogynist when the woman is dominated and abused? I think what is going on is that you don't understand the fantasies of others and are confusing fantasies with real life and condemning them. Look, I don't get the whole pissing thing, in the same way I don't get the whole guys fucking each other thing or BSDM. But I don't condemn others for their fantasies.
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I'm into bdsm and it would be very nice if you could stop comparing it to or equating it with what Max Hardcore does (or did).
There's a difference between eroticizing the concept of dominance / submission and abusing people.
The more I think about it, the more I get offended by you trying to play it as if judging the stuff he did was judging bdsm communities as well.
I'm aware some people may be grossed out by bdsm, but there's no way the average person would equate it with the rape-like stuff he shot.
If you're going to defend him, do it without dragging us down on his level.
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Respectfully, .... get over it.
As you define other peoples kinks as distasteful and boarding on criminal while trying to keep your own in the clear, well, you are going to get some mud splashed on you.
I notice you dance around words like "abuse" and "rape-like". I have never seen a Max film that portrayed rape. If you want to argue that it portrays statutory rape (sex with girls under 18), I would not disagree, but note that the whole genre of "barely legal" and school girl uniform porn does as well.
As for "abuse", can you please explain how hot melted wax on a woman's breasts and vagina is any less abusive than Max porn. If you can't, my friend, get of your high horse and welcome to the gutter.
After they come for my fantasies, do not think that they are not coming for yours next. You are down in the gutter with me, whether you want to admit it of not.
Regards,
Smelly balls
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DK
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 10:12PM

Oh, no! More absurd amateur psychology!! This time it's Taylor, saying in a February 10 post that Little's audience is "basicly (sic) women-haters" and that the actresses in Little's porn "are messed up in the head". Wow, what amazingly penetrating and thoughtful insight by Taylor!! Taylor is so quick to condemn people he (or is it she?) has never met and so all-knowing about the motives of strangers. Until I came across this forum, I had no idea that people in the porn audience could be so narrow-minded.
Wishing someone's death because one doesn't like the guy's porn--as Taylor does of Paul Little in this thread--is a little much, I'd say. Now, Taylor, the person rooting for Little's death, is not "messed up in the head", right? Yeah, right. Not "messed up" a bit, nosiree.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Feb 11 2010 : 10:15PM

I never saw the point. I always thought it was funny to see how someone reacted when they asked me how my morning was and I'd say something like -
"Oh, I got up, fixed some breakfast, masturbated and got ready. How was your morning?"
Nothing makes someone sorry they asked better than honesty. If they really want to get into the juicy details, I'll tell 'em what I did with my other hand while I jerked off.
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posthum
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 9:52AM

Smelly balls wrote:
As you define other peoples kinks as distasteful and boarding on criminal while trying to keep your own in the clear, well, you are going to get some mud splashed on you.
I notice you dance around words like "abuse" and "rape-like". I have never seen a Max film that portrayed rape. If you want to argue that it portrays statutory rape (sex with girls under 18), I would not disagree, but note that the whole genre of "barely legal" and school girl uniform porn does as well.
As for "abuse", can you please explain how hot melted wax on a woman's breasts and vagina is any less abusive than Max porn. If you can't, my friend, get of your high horse and welcome to the gutter.
After they come for my fantasies, do not think that they are not coming for yours next. You are down in the gutter with me, whether you want to admit it of not.
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First, mud thrown by people describing their own situation (or mental state?) as 'the gutter' doesn't count much in my humble opinion.
Second, if the stuff in his movies doesn't look like abuse and/or rape to you, my opinion of your porn hero may be the least of your problems. Do an ADT search for some of the transcripts from his scenes, there's a nice post where Mike South sums up a particular gem. In which Max himself uses the word rape more than one time as far as I remember. But don't let that keep you from denying the label he applies to his own stuff

Third, now that hiding behind bdsm communities backfired, you're trying to associate with the barely-legal stuff. Perhaps hoping they'll join in on your side? I wouldn't get my hopes up that anyone out there is going to say or do anything that could put them in the vicinity of Max Hardcore.
What kind of argument are you trying to field there anyway? Everything becomes okay if more than one person does it? When the majority of people who constantly find themselves on the receiving end of labels like 'pervert' think your stuff is sick, couldn't that be something you may want to treat as a wake-up-call?
Note: I'm talking about porn consumers, not bdsm players. At least where I'm from the latter experience a degree of acceptance similar to the gays. (Which also indicates that the rest of society gets the difference between submission and rape which you're trying to deny exists.)
Fourth, if my stance on Max looks to you like I'm riding the high horse, that may be because you're starting to realize from everyone's reactions what kind of lowlife he actually is. Try telling me I'm wrong there after literally saying you're in the gutter.
Fifth, you can keep your 'dancing around' metaphor. I don't really need to achieve something with this thread. Besides a few posters the general consensus is that Max is a pig even by industry standards. The one fighting tooth and nail against this is actually you.
Bottom line: You'll have to keep dancing in your so-called gutter alone, sorry.
(Of course you could just face a couple unpleasant facts and climb out of it instead, but something tells me you would have done that by now if you were willing to.)

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DK
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 11:23AM

^^^^
With respect to posthum's fourth point, "everyone" does not share posthum's view about Paul Little. I certainly don't consider Little to be a "lowlife". I have no idea what he's like as a person nor do I care. I really like Little's porn and am outraged that he has been persecuted by a government agency. Further, politicians and their employees ought not to have the right to deny me and other members of the public commercial access to any porn depicting consenting adults.

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posthum
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 11:28AM

'Everyone' in that sentence being a slight bit of a hyperbole, but you'll have to admit it's not off by a lot.
The government thing is not something I've mentioned, so I'll just assume that wasn't directed at me.

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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 11:34AM

Smelly Balls:
Thusfar, I have written an almost book size response in this thread, and it is a lot to ask anyone to read it all, so I will not.
But if you did, I think you would find that I have addressed all of your points and that, essentially, I agree with you.
I indeed understand and mention in my last post some of the difference between fantasy and compulsion, and I believe nowhere have I suggested that sexual fantasies are not a harmless and apparently universal part of sex, even at their most extreme.
As to details of other BDSM or rape fantasy series that are as extreme as Little's, I must defer to your knowledge. I have tried to say in my last post some of the qualities that make MH especially objectionable and none of these qualities bear so much upon what Little does in his videos as the attitude of joyous cruelty with which he does them and the insistence he has on being the star of his own stuff.
It's always dangerous here at ADT to demean for any reason any of the styles of porn or any of the many niches, like BDSM, that people like. Inevitably, one implies that, in deploring a particular producer's methods or style, the genre of porn and the people who like it are being attacked.
Here especially, where the moderators are on the lookout against argumenta ad hominem (insults to people) that isn't going to happen.

Beyond that fact, I have tried always to be as specific as possible that it is Little I don't like: not the fantasy he portrays, but that the way he portrays it-- by its extreme nature and deliberate cruelty -- for actual woman haters, for whom rape and abuse are NOT fantasies of sex but actual behavior, and that by targeting these emotionallly disturbed people, Little, advertently or not, has inspired uncounted acts of abuse.

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DK
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 11:58AM

^^^^
Well, duefuss is at it again with his typical unsupported assertions. This time, he says that "...Little, advertent or not, has inspired uncounted acts of abuse." Duesfuss, what's your proof of that? Share some specific examples, please.

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DK
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 12:05PM

Posthum, my comment about governmental suppression of porn depicting consenting adults was not directed at you. On the other hand, you have irresponsibly mischaracterized the viewpoints of numerous contributors to this thread. No one should object to your expression of your own views, but please do not attempt to claim that "everyone" or almost everyone concurs with you.

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posthum
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 12:16PM

Props for putting it in such a polite way DK. But as far as the mischaracterization goes, all you'd have had to do is look at some of the previous threads on this matter and convince yourself. I wasn't speaking *for* anybody else, I was referring to views people have already expressed on their own.
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Jollymann
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 3:23PM

I just have to weigh in here. I've read some of the posts and I can generalize that it's a kind of a love-hate thing for Max.
The way I see it is this. This guy has been shooting porn for years and years, his way. Not yours and not someone elses. Like Frank Sinatra. His way. You don't have to like it. But if you beleive in freedom like Max does and like most of us do, then you ought to be dammed upset by this man being railroaded by narrow minded assholes and tossed into the slammer over doing what basically is done by lots of studios, and lots of directors, and lots of actors. Yeah it's kind of crude and rough, but I personally don't see a problem with that. Sometimes I get in a Max Hardcore kind of way. So I watch it sometimes. But for this guy to be signaled out over someone's personal offense, especially prosecuters and the little minded people(jurors in that State, FL?) who bought into their brand of prohibition and persecution, it's a shamful travesty. Even more specifically it's a total violation of the 1st Amendment. Freedom loving people ought to be able to see that. If you can't, then you may blind to the virtues of our way of life. Or possibly you let your inhibitons and hang ups influence your rational, fairplay minded thinking excessively.
I suggest if you sympathize with this man's wrongful ordeal, that you, like me, get his address in New Mexico where La Tuna is and send him some old fashioned mail. He's there for three more years. I'd rather not write it here. It may not be allowed. Plus some of you might find it too easy to use it for hate mail. It's not that hard to obtain. He will appreciate it, and you will be consistent with your values. If you've ever bought one of his films, then you really ought to.
Derek J.
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Guam
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 3:42PM

I think anyone that is a fan of the adult industry and freedom that actually looks at what Max was charged and convicted of should have severe concerns.
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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Guam
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 3:45PM

PS: If you ever seen what the feds did to Tommy Chong -- put him in federal prison for manufacturing bongs (not dope, mind you, pipes)this should ring a bell.
This is BS. Go snag some terrorists.

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Jollymann
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Posted - Feb 12 2010 : 5:02PM

Edited by - Jollymann on 2/13/2010 12:39:47 AM

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Jollymann
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 12:31AM

I may as well add that this whole case isn't that different to what happened with the star of "Deep Throat" in about 1974. His name is Harry Reems (the lead guy) and he was worked over by the same system for similar reasons. Look him up for yourself and decide for yourself. In both cases it had to do with state law obscenity violations. In Max's case, there was the issue with interstate movie sales as well. All of it total muck of course. There is a documentary on it of particular interest. I just can't remember the name right off. I think it's the only one though on Deep Throat. I hope Max's case gets some biographic treatment too for the sake of the public's learning.
D.J.

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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 4:52AM

Jollymann wrote:
I just have to weigh in here. I've read some of the posts and I can generalize that it's a kind of a love-hate thing for Max.
The way I see it is this. This guy has been shooting porn for years and years, his way. Not yours and not someone elses. Like Frank Sinatra. His way. You don't have to like it. But if you beleive in freedom like Max does and like most of us do, then you ought to be dammed upset by this man being railroaded by narrow minded assholes and tossed into the slammer over doing what basically is done by lots of studios, and lots of directors, and lots of actors. Yeah it's kind of crude and rough, but I personally don't see a problem with that. Sometimes I get in a Max Hardcore kind of way. So I watch it sometimes. But for this guy to be signaled out over someone's personal offense, especially prosecuters and the little minded people(jurors in that State, FL?) who bought into their brand of prohibition and persecution, it's a shamful travesty. Even more specifically it's a total violation of the 1st Amendment. Freedom loving people ought to be able to see that. If you can't, then you may blind to the virtues of our way of life. Or possibly you let your inhibitons and hang ups influence your rational, fairplay minded thinking excessively.
I suggest if you sympathize with this man's wrongful ordeal, that you, like me, get his address in New Mexico where La Tuna is and send him some old fashioned mail. He's there for three more years. I'd rather not write it here. It may not be allowed. Plus some of you might find it too easy to use it for hate mail. It's not that hard to obtain. He will appreciate it, and you will be consistent with your values. If you've ever bought one of his films, then you really ought to.
Derek J.
Edited by - Jollymann on 2/12/2010 7:38:35 PM
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Not that I blame you, but you haven't been reading this thread closely, else you would know that there is prettty general agreement about the injustice of Little's conviction and incarceration.
At issue, my issue, that is, remains what it always has been, and that is the nature of this man's product.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 6:02AM

Oh fucking please, you're honestly comparing a guy who made money by pissing on women and making them vomit to the victims of the shoah?

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duefuss
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 6:07AM

Well, DK is at it again, ignoring the issue at hand, and every other word I have written to quote me out of context in another attempt to, for some reason, make a fool of me. Fine. I'm a fool. Feel better now?
Now, for Gosh sakes, DK, stop letting this matter to you so much. Get out more. Go to a movie. Enjoy your life. Believe me it's too short to waste on putting down some old guy you have nothing to do with.

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taylor_swift_tasty_feet
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 9:32AM

I'm not 100% certain about much in life.I'm however 100% certain about THE FACT that some of my fellow members on this here forum are in a state of denial.

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 5:52PM

^ It's not really about being in denial. It's about all or nothing. The enemies of porn think in absolutes and they are willing to use any amount of indecision and/or divisions, squabbling or disagreement against us. They don't play fair. They want nothing less than the utter destruction of sexual freedom as we know it and if we let them use Max Hardcore in furtherance of that objective, that's exactly what they'll do. In other words, we can't afford NOT to think exactly the same way our enemies do. Winning is all that matters to them. You win or you lose. You're not a "good guy" because you think Max is repulsive. You're still a disgusting pervert to them and that's all you'll ever be in their book. You can't play those games with these people.
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posthum
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 7:38PM

I can only speak for myself (hi DK!), but my stance on Max isn't based on what I hope other people will think of me because of it.

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Guam
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 11:23PM

Well, lol....on one level, I could say the Nazis started more innocuous.....they didn't START with prison, they started with yellow triangles sewn into Jews' clothing.
There is a reason for the NRA's success. They chose as their dogged outer perimeter issues like handguns and automatic weapons, not "rifle" as their name suggests.
Let Max's fisting and pissing and etc be banned, and what is next? Hustlers "Golden Showers?" Do you think the people wanting to ban Max are tolerant of the next level down and will stop there when then smell blood?
Once censorship begins it is a slippery slope with momentum.

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skronker
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Posted - Feb 13 2010 : 11:39PM

Well ...

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DK
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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 1:33AM

Duefuss, it is hardly appropriate for a participant in this forum to suggest what other participants ought to do with their lives. Personally, I hope that you and others whose views I do not share have an enjoyable time, always. Now, duefuss, the issue at hand is that you repeatedly make rash, broad statements in this thread that are unsupported. If my calling attention to your repeatedly doing that and asking for supportive facts causes you to feel that I'm making a fool of you, that is not my intent. No one needs to make a fool of you, you're great at doing ...oh, I won't say it. Now, what contextual distortion have I made in asking you to support your assertions? If you have some data on harm that Paul Little's porn has caused, please share it with us. If you can't back up your very extravagant claims, why should anyone bother to read your rants?
My intent here is to express my unqualified enthusiasm for the porn of Paul Little, which I thoroughly enjoy watching, and to express my disgust that politicians and their employees have taken action to interdict my access to that porn. As I see it, the persecution of Paul Little is outrageous, and he should be pardoned at once.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Feb 14 2010 : 4:04AM

That case is obviously fucked up, as is Max's to some degree, but to pretend that Kristallnacht is right around the corner because the right wingers want to return the US to the 50s is paranoia imo.

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