Interesting to see how Ana did not even name him in the relevant post and she only gave the full info when asked about it .
Credits to Molly for writing a real aggressive Tw .
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Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 25 2019 : 3:26AM
The answer to grey and blacklisting is to cheer on and promote a new type of producer director. Two that come to mind are Leigh Raven and Nikki Hearts, I've been disappointed in their initial stuff because they are holding to the old long standing heteroeyed boy/girl formula and they actually hired The Russian in one of their scenes. It's these type of new filmmakers who are supposedly progressive and integral minded that need to be encouraged to shoot a new type of porn with new and different male talent(crossover and non crossover).
I feel so bad for Ana Rose and pray that she has a speedy recovery from this
She doesn't deserve this and neither does the previous victims of Dupree (including August Ames).
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 25 2019 : 6:32AM
I don't know what unplanned anal scene you're referring to, but if she had a negative experience with him previously, it raises the question as to why she would shoot with him again.Since his Twitter bio says "Loves Autumn Falls," it appears that they are a couple. Since that's the case, she's supposed to have his side (at least publicly). That's what people in relationships are supposed to do.I'm not sure about that. Someone else in this thread brought up Leigh Raven. She was caught in an outright lie against a director and a performer, but is somehow still being shot. Besides, if she has a vaginal cyst, as she claims, then she probably shouldn't be doing scenes anyway, or having sex at all, until she gets that treated.
^^I kind of thought the same thing at first and maybe it's something that should be looked into but ultimately it's not relevant to this story because the performer did something in a scene that everyone(including himself) agreed would not happen and I doubt it was a short one time wrong hole mistake.
They are definitely a couple and while I have no problem with a girlfriend supporting her boyfriend. It's a little different when both people work in an industry where reputation is importan and getting a bad one can be deadly. It also doesn't help that both are sort of in the dog house with their recent stunt of will she, won't she anal video for Markus Vogov site.
^ His "facts" usually are whoever has natural balls is right, who hasn't is a liar , you'll find some 99,999999999999999% of his statements on any situation where a man and a woman are involved are basically the same: she's a liar. it's not 100% because he once said "I may be wrong" but then he sobered up or possibly his sobriety ceased, I don't now and changed his mind to his usual utter certainty "she's a liar"
It was for the site ExploitedCollegeGirls. Unclear who the male talent was, but Ana says that the male talent heard and agreed that there would be no anal and went ahead and did it anyway. Then the site promoted it as her first anal scene, for which she was not compensated. Chris Strokes has been accused of assault several times by various performers who say he attempted/succeeded in nonconsensual anal penetration. Noelle Easton tweeted about her encounter (perhaps who you are thinking of), describing what he did as attempted rape.
Also, can we stop calling rape and assault "unplanned anal"?
I just dont buy or watch anything with his name to it. Far too many accusations against him. Dont like how rough he is. Sadly by association I dont watch Autumn Falls scenes anymore. One English Pornstar (Amber Jayne) tweeted she wanted to work with him. Someone sent her the above article and she deleted the tweet. Hopefully people wise up.
I don't really understand the topic title of this thread. Molly Mae wasn't the girl who was allegedly assaulted (or whatever you want to call it), and what does Markus' pride have anything to do with him (allegedly) not following Ana's instructions?
Its time for him to be done. I am so furious at this because it shouldve never happen. When is enough enough??? Ana made everyone aware of her situation and Markus still crossed the line and now Ana is suffering for it because she is in pain, out for 2 months so no income, and her parents took her off their insurance. Again this shouldve never happen but the industry has allowed Markus to continue to have the chance to do this and I dont care if he is supposed to be great, he shouldnt get a pass.
I gave this title because I wanted to highlight the sarcastic/accusing tone of Molly Mae´s question :Ana was rather shy in giving the name of this misanthrope , but Molly went directly into confrontational mode . Through her Tweet the majority of users got to know of the situation .
What bothers me is that Markus doesn't talk about his behavior, at least James Deen expressed himself on twitter, he prefers to be silent which in my opinion does not help, the directors could help in this fight but I doubt. Guys like Greg Lansky, Jonni Darkko, Chris Streams and others still left him free
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Lulubell MindGeek Devotee
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Posted - Jun 25 2019 : 10:52PM
Reading at Mike South you can find this for example:
"Rose adds to images of her vagina from before and after the scene her original tweet to show the damage that Dupree did by not obeying her requests which angers more fans and performers alike, many asking the same question: Why is Markus Dupree still working after having so many assault complaints? He now even has his own site which is mostly all anal (save for one scene showcasing his 18 year-old girlfriend Autumn Falls). Since Ana Rose already shot her debut anal scene for Tushy (with Dupree) which has been released we wonder if this shoot that caused her injury is possibly for his own site? And if so, under the pretenses that is is, he is not only the male talent for the scene but the director as well.meaning that he's making all the "creative" calls for the films as well as performing all the shots he calls. The company who shot this scene definitely holds accountability since the crew continued to let Rose's no-list be ignored throughout the scene which is why if it's for Dupree's own site is in question. Since they shot together for Tushy and if Rose had had an issue with him then she wouldn't have agreed to a second shoot with him (and hopefully put him on her no list) but since the environment might've been more controlled since Dupree wasn't the director there things could've gone different but when he is in charge of the scene he obviously does whatever he needs to "get the shot". Either way, him blatantly disrespecting boundaries whether it be on his set or not is never okay and hopefully he will finally be held accountable for all the women he's hurt."
^ If it's for his own site then he's definitely a piece of shit since the Autumn scene is the only instance of pussy penetration that's ever happened on there. Lansky doesn't have much ass to pussy, and his site has none. If the scene was for either of those two platforms this just confirms that he gets off on violating girls boundaries
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Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 26 2019 : 4:00AM
2^I think this also shows the perils of the performer producer model that pipelines many male performers. As I said this has to stop being the go to way that girls perform with guys. Guys should mostly come from a talent pool like girls. Much of this goes back to what Stagliano and Siffredi innovated back in the 90s(from which Markus is derivative). While it did innovate porn it also brought on this asymmetry of male performer/producer female performer which has obvious manifested power dynamic problems. You also have the Rocco method of performing which is fine for a certain type of woman who wants to push her boundaries but when you have the Rocco method being the go to method for gonzo male performers like Markus as well as not so bads like Manuel you can guess the problems that come from this model.
Quantify and diversify male performer types and INTEGRATE the fucking industry already. Let stand up guys like Wolf Hudson and others like him who have a basic respect for female boundaries be the go to type of performer. The legacy gonzo companies can either evolve in this direction or women and their only fans and transient pornhub tippers will deselect them as is already happening before our eyes. Also more female and non cis male producers obviously.
^ BTW There's a difference between them whoever they are Rocco named in your example ,while rough, is not known to perform stuff against performer's will, if she doesn't want to do anal he doesn't go there , he might be rougher than needed though
Other performers/producers such as Lexington Steele or Brad Armstrong also aren't known to cross boundaries out of agreement, or Sean Michaels for that matter
hoever it's true that the performer/producers has all the power and can easily abuse it.
But we also have heard of directors assaulting the performers off screen , it's not the system it's some of themm that are definitely and utterly assholes
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realtip Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 26 2019 : 10:30AM
Here are the facts of that particular case.
Fact #1: Leigh Raven posted a YouTube video publicly accusing a director and male performer of sexual assault by saying that they forced her to do sexual acts to which she did not consent in a scene.
Fact #2: The accusation was investigated by police. The accused director voluntarily gave authorities all of his orginal video footage from the scene, including BTS footage.
Fact #3: BTS footage released to the public showed the accuser laughing repeatedly during production, and never giving any obvious signs of discomfort or resistance. Even in her YouTube video, she never stated that she gave refusal at any time. Instead, she verbally consented, completed the scene, and accepted payment.
Fact #4: The female police detective who investigated the accusation determined that there was no evidence to corroborate the accuser's claims, and the case was dropped. In fact, evidence appeared to only contradict her claims.
Fact #5: To deliberately make statements that are untrue is lying. Hence, when Leigh Raven stated that the director and male performer sexually assaulted her when she in fact gave full consent, she was therefore lying.
These are indeed the facts. It is not an opinion to say that someone was lying when what she said was not the truth. What else should we call it? Anyone is welcome to disprove with facts anything that was posted.
This is not true. But even if it were, how would it be any different from believing that a woman must always be telling the truth just because she's a woman? How about not automatically rushing to condemn someone just because he's been accused?It was revealed through evidence that the accusations against him were false. That is therefore an exoneration. Again, what should we call it?Why should he say anything? Perhaps he has been advised not to say anything. Perhaps he has explained himself to those people who require an explanation, such as his friends, agents, fellow performers and directors, etc., and doesn't feel that he needs to explain himself to a bunch of angry Twitter mobsters who are obviously going to hate him anyway no matter what he says. He is not obligated to give an explanation unless he wants to.
Edited by - realtip on 6/26/2019 10:31:38 AM
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Mass Facialties Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 26 2019 : 10:58AM
Yeah, a more appropriate thread title would be something like: On-set abuse allegations against Markus Dupree
What I cant wrap my head around is why nobody had the guts to stop the shoot? Like its was so clear that Ana only wanted to do anal so as soon as Markus decided to cross the line someone shouldve done something to stop the shoot and straight up tell Markus dude what in the hell are you doing? I legit find it baffling that all these stories come out about things happening on set but nobody seems to stand up in defense of the girl.
^When we find out for which company/site the scene was for than we will know the answer to that question. If it turns out to be for Vogov than the culprit is both the talent and producer since Dupree is both of those.
There is a post on Mike South and the story goes that Ana had a cyst and contacted her agent to cancel the shoot but he/she talked her into doing it since it was going to be an anal only scene. Supposedly the agent contacted the producer to confirm that it had to be an anal only scene. Ana told everyone on set that it had to be an anal only scene but that Markus decided it needed something extra and that's when he fucked her vagina. That's when the cyst burst and the bacteria from going ATP or sweat semen caused an infection. The poster says that a lawyer is now involved.
Added fact there was some missing footage either on screen and BTS off screen when a "change of battery" occurred (pun not intended) ,so that cut footage they provided actually proves nothing either way , the relevant parts weren't there to be found , very convenient , so convenient to raise suspicions, The minutes claimed to be under investigation weren't there there at all, not a single little piece of them , there wasn't the slightest part that she could have misinterpreted but was something else , there was nothing at all , all the parts she claimed she was mistreaten occurred when the cameras weren't rolling, none of them , neither the main camera nor those with alternate angles. And this is strange because a professional director makes sure this couldn't happen so that even if a camera runs out of power he could still save the day with the other one , especially when you may not be able to repeat the scene as usual in porn. Still these guys want make us believe the every recording machine ran out of power concurrently while still on set?
The Police may say they didn't find evidence on the footage but this doesn't mean nothing happened, it means it's not on tape , we should wonder how that happened.
Nobody here ever said women are always right but when there's a history of similar complains , well ....
Edited by - LCF on 6/27/2019 1:27:09 AM
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Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 27 2019 : 2:38AM
9^Certainly there are stand up performer producers but I still think it's problematic how male performers are pipelined in heteroland. I think if you have more male female age parity(along with looks of course which is why you need to pool from the gay side among other areas) with both coming from an agency talent pool then you are likely to have more symmetry overall in regards to gender power dynamics. There's also the female producer director issue which I hope improves in the years to come. Kayden Kross and Bree Mills are good starts.
^ Same as yours , look at this board and some of the twitter here, plus , back then, the tape was made public and a link was posted here , remember? We all noticed some cuts , and the explanation was: we had to change battery on the camera
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Posted - Jun 27 2019 : 9:03AM
realtip, you repeatedly interpret evidence and present it as fact, broaching libel. You don't need to have the last word, and you are off-topic. Please just stop. I've had to ask you way too many times over the years.
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Arnold The Geek Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 27 2019 : 10:01AM
I'm going to take a slightly less popular view and ask "Why was the female on set shooting a scene if she has cysts in her vagina?"
Sounds like she wasn't 100% and should be elsewhere "taking care of her health" and "getting healthy" as people here love to say whenever a mean director wants a girl to shoot a scene when she has the sniffles.
Regardless of what the guy in question may or may not have done, if the girl has exploding cyst issues, why is she on set shooting scenes?
And, preemptively, for the record as I know someone will do it, I'm not comparing the sniffles to exploding cysts, but using the standard poster comments about health in general.
Edited by - Arnold the geek on 6/27/2019 10:06:09 AM
^ It was an anal scene, agreed an anal scene, made everybody aware she would only perform anal because she can't perform vaginal. Why she was there? There was a scene scheduled in advance a costly crew and hardware on set the rental of the set itself and of course a possible fine from her agent other than the bad reputation following her if she didn't show herself in time on set to perform when supposed to.
and did I mention it was an anal scene?
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Porn Scout Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 27 2019 : 4:53PM
I really don't like this dude. Even before this latest allegation from Ana, I just never liked watching him in a scene. He's hard to avoid though because producers shoot him so much.
But going forward, I don't think I'll watch his scenes anymore.
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Arnold The Geek Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 27 2019 : 4:54PM
Ok, so it was any anal scene! It sounds like the performer, their agent, and the director all seem to be ignoring the fact that this woman had health conditions!
If the guy showed up with a huge cyst on the side of his nuts, would you say it's OK to work because his nuts might not of been directly involved in the scenethe girl could've easily ignored his nuts, is that OK?
^ Is this a trick question? Yes it would be ok. And if they violated his request that would not be ok.
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Posted - Jun 27 2019 : 9:44PM
Yeah, he was never one of my "preferred" male talents, but it did seem like he was getting a lot of work for just about all the sites I liked. However, I didn't realize it until I looked it up on their site right now, but he hasn't appeared in a scene on HardX.com in over 8 months. On the other hand, he certainly appears to still be a regular on sites like Jules Jordan and Tushy.
You're reaching and you know it , the nuts are part of the organ involved in the fucking, the balls do move while fucking sometimes hitting the vagina , asshole and vagina are completely different places. BTW Mr Marcus was allowed to work with a dick full of rushes when he had syphilys , his agent said nothing, the director said nothing , , the crew said nothing, there was only one star who adamantly refused to work with such a dick , it was Chastity Lynn.
Plus her agent didn't ignore it, the whole crew did though and the sad fact many of these situations happen with a passive crew .
Would you find OK if an actress goes to work say at "manojob" and gets fully fucked up her ass?
When you hired to do something , and only that something nobody can force you to do anything you didn't agree to. That's not just in porn but any work environment, you don't get to force the pizza delivery boy to help the movers and when he has an accident with the oven say :why did you come? If you can't move some forniture you couls stay home!
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Arnold The Geek Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 28 2019 : 12:09AM
Yeah maybe I was reaching a bit with that answer but I only had a minute at the time. Guy's will get called out real quick with those things. Anyway, I just think it was unprofessional on her part to show up like that. Since it literally is one of her money makers, you stay home and take care of it, not bring it to work. Regardless of a kill fee or not, that's all.
Edited by - Arnold the geek on 6/28/2019 12:12:02 AM
^ 1. How do you know that she hasn't gone to the police? You're just saying that she hasn't in order to make some sort of point.
2. As women unfortunately know all too well, going to the police to report sexual assault is not nearly as effective as it ought to be, and far from a pleasant experience. Going to the police as a sex worker and reporting sexual assault is even more daunting (and less likely to be taken seriously).
3. Why is the burden on her to follow proper procedure for anything? She didn't ask for him to be locked up, boycotted, blacklisted or anything else. She didn't even say his name initially; she just wanted to tell people about a bad thing that happened to her.
^ 1. Let me know when that police report gets filed.
2. If everyone on that set was in agreement the officers should have no trouble finding people to corroborate her allegations. Moreover you're basing your opinion on outdated assumptions. I had someone close to me who was carried off to jail based on an claim of assault. No evidence no questions he went to jail. The system as it is now treats accusers like victims and the accused as someone who is essentially guilty until trial. This is not to say something didn't happen, but to show that you're are greatly mistaken about how the justice system now handles such claims.
3. First off the police can't investigate if she doesn't file a police report. Second we have a thing in this country called due process.