Nacho Vidal has gone too far!

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prigger Member 151 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 12:03PM I recently watched a porn scene that made me feel compelled to write this. I would be interested to see what everyone's thoughts are on it. The scene in question is from the site "Leche 69" and is with Nacho Vidal and Kara Price. I must say... my tastes in porn go much more to the extreme but this is the first scene I have seen in a long time that I found a little hard to watch. The scene starts with Kara talking to the camera man when Nacho comes up behind her and puts a bag over her head, he chokes her and slaps her for about 5 minutes (all clothed I might add) before walking her up a flight of stairs (with the bag still on) and then dunking her head in a tub of water with the bag still on. While this is happening he repeatedly slaps her on the face - and I don't mean a little Micheal Stefano love tap... I mean hard. This goes on for at least 20 minutes and I may mention before either of them have even taken one article of clothing off. There was no sense of sexuality here, no sexual passion not eroticism no BDSM. It really seemed like Nacho just wanted to beat the shit out of a woman that day. If she was at least naked during this part of the scene I could maybe understand. But they were both still fully clothed. There was nothing sexual about this. I wonder what Kara price was thinking while she her head was under water with a plastic bag on. I'm afraid to say this scene gets worse. After this they finally get naked - 20 mins and nacho ties her up in some contraption where she's all twisted up in her own legs and arms and couldn't possibly resist him. And again.. he just beats her up. He fucks her a little and throat fucks her a little. But after all these years it seems like Nacho doesn't really enjoy actual sex that much anymore... to be honest... sex at this point seems painful to him. He was dragging her around the floor while tied up in this contraption he slaps her, chokes spits on her. He fucks her pussy and then puts it her ass really hard without warning, she screams and her ass starts to bleed, you can visibly see blood. They go back to the tub for some more dunking. The second part of this scene shows something I have never seen before and never want to see in porn again... Nacho while sitting down on his butt with his back against a bed had Kara laying on him so they are her back to his stomach, He has a butcher knife in his hand and proceeds to rub the sharp end around her pussy and pretend to shave her pubic hair. He then puts her in one of the many UFC style choke holds he gives her in this scene until she kind of starts passing out and then he... PUNCHES her hard in the face not once... at least 7 times. She was screaming at this point for him to stop. After this he pisses on her, cleans the shit off her asshole with toilet paper (she clearly did not have an enema before this scene) and puts the toilet paper in her mouth! And goes back to the pool for more dunking. THIS IS NOT PORNOGRAPHY This is Nacho Vidal a guy who has had sex with thousands of women in the most hardcore ways who probably doesn't get excited by too many things in porn any more. So to keep his fucking hard on he has to push the bar like this. To this i say... Why the fuck do we need this woman beater in porn! In any other situation this asshole would be in jail, but in porn it's encouraged. And shame on Kara Price for letting this ass hole do this stuff to her for what? A few 100 dollars? If she says she liked it all - she's lying ( and fuck her for making it harder for other women to say no to Nacho when he abuses them to). Now everyone can just say " hey Kara Price did it. Why can't you? If she had any issue with this at all she should have got the hell out of their the second Nacho said he wanted to put a bag on her head shove her in a pool of water. And shame on this Director for not trying to make quality porn but basically giving his friend Nacho and outlet to beat the shit out of woman to fulfill his own personal fucked up fantasies. Nacho is not the only guy that is very rough. James Dean slaps women all the time. But at the very least there is usually a sexual element to it, there's more fucking then abuse and he's seeming to enjoy himself and it appears like he wants to make sure his performer is being taken care off. Nacho beat up this poor woman for 20 minutes before anything sexual -even nudity ever occurred. It is time for NACHO VIDAL to go the way of Mr Marcus and be BLACK LISTED from porn. Any woman that works with him is just opening the door for the women that come after them to be put through what Kara Price was put through and worse. Very curious to see what your thoughts are on this scene. Edited by - prigger on Jun 9 2013 [Link]
Anadin Member 307 Posts 4/05	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 12:44PM I too find the whole thing disgusting but surely that was the setup, I don't think he just randomly beat up some chick. [Link]
mike23 Member 509 Posts 7/12	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 12:46PM I've never liked Nacho...I enjoy waatching rough sex but that's because I find a lot of times there is more passion involved and I like the dom/sub aspect. Rocco, Manuel, and James are the guy who get what rough sex is about. Nacho seems to just get off on inflicting pain. [Link]
prigger Member 151 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 12:59PM I don't think it was random... she must have known it was going to be rough but to see her response in the video she wasn't acting. There are a few times in the scene where she yells stop and he doesn't stop for at least 15 seconds after she says it. Even if it was all rehearsed. It's still not porn. Porn is sexual this was not sexual. This was Nacho just abusing someone who was either willing or unwilling. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10078 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 1:01PM I don't know if this is one of the reasons why Kara decided that porn and her were not compatible but if it wasn't then it should have been pretty high on her list. I only checked out about a minute of the preview but that was more than enough for me. That is seriously fucked up. [Link]

prigger Member 151 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 1:05PM At one point in this scene He has her in a choke hold... she says Nacho Stop you're hurting and then repeatedly says stop over 7 times. He doesn't stop. Why didn't he stop? He should answer for this! [Link]
MorganKane Senior Member 6037 Posts 10/10	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 2:09PM I've never been a fan of Nacho and while I've never actually seen this scene it does sound brutal and fucked up. It definitely sounds like Nacho took it way too far. [Link]
JB_X Deactivated User addled 1500 Posts 10/12	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 2:12PM mike23 wrote: I've never liked Nacho...I enjoy waatching rough sex but that's because I find a lot of times there is more passion involved and I like the dom/sub aspect. Rocco, Manuel, and James are the guy who get what rough sex is about. Nacho seems to just get off on inflicting pain. Click to expand I don't know about his motives, but I avoid his scenes like the plague. I gave him a shot a few years ago because a lot of girls have said positive things about him, but I don't get the appeal at all. It seems like he's either wantonly abusive in his scenes, or doing and saying random and weird shit. I remember trying to watch a Live Gonzo scene with him and Bobbi Starr and he kept telling her to pretend like she was a corpse while he was fucking her. Guh. My guess is that Kara Price was probably up for it, but the description of that scene is still upsetting. [Link]
Todd Gack Deactivated User "Oh, of course. Todd Gack." 849 Posts 6/12	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 2:28PM Regardless of the industry, when you apply for a job it's pretty much common sense to research the company beforehand. I guess I find it hard to believe she didn't know this douche's track record and what she could potentially be in for and that's what makes it hard for me to feel sorry for her. [Link]
christopher streams Member 419 Posts 2/04	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 3:16PM being that I was the camera man for this scene, I can tell you that all parties involved knew and agreed to what was to be done. Nacho and Kara met at kink.com where she has done a lot more hard and crazy stuff. She not only wanted to do this, SHE PAID ME TO SHOOT THIS FOR HER! Her and Nacho both get to use the scene for their websites. i talked to her on the phone for over an hour the night before and she gave me a "SAFE WORD" that she would used if she wanted me to stop. The safe word was never used. She was asking me what I was comfortable shooting as she was worried that Iwas going to stop something that she wanted to be shot. I told her " I don't shoot poo". She asked me if anything like that happened to "PLEASE DON'T STOP SHOOTING" I'm taking the time to write this not in defence of Nacho but so everyone can understand that this was HER idea to have this done TO HER, FOR HER! I shot her again, a few weeks after in a more "normal" scene for live gonzo and she told me that where she like the scene she "THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE MUCH ROUGHER" This scene for sure is not for everyone but please understand, it was not shot for everyone. It was shot and paid for BY HER, FOR HER. I would also like to add that I as a cameraman would never shoot anything where any parties involved are not comfortable and aware of what is going to take place. As the home owner as well, i would stop the scene and kick everyone out. [Link]
tintintin Senior Member 1230 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 3:39PM As long as both parties agree nothing is wrong. You don't have to watch if you don't like it. There are dozens of extreme movies in your multiplex cinema. Nobody is complaning about murder and rape on the silverscreen. Perhaps a pre-warning for extreme content on the dvd could be a solution. Edited by - tintintin on 6/8/2013 3:44:25 PM [Link]
mike23 Member 509 Posts 7/12	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 3:41PM ^^ thanks for explaining Chris. I never once doubted that it was totally consensual, as I know Kara Price loves hardcore stuff like this and figured it was something she was totally up for. That said, I've still never been a Nacho fan. Edited by - mike23 on 6/8/2013 3:41:45 PM [Link]
hoochimama Deactivated User 1438 Posts 5/10	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 4:20PM prigger wrote: she wasn't acting. Click to expand First rule of porn: they're acting. What you wrote is libel. Also, why would you watch a Nacho Vidal scene if extreme rough sex wasn't your thing? It isn't my thing so I don't watch his stuff, but then I also don't fantasize about abuse in porn videos being real... She won't do black guys The Roughest Anal Sex Ever ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 6/8/2013 4:39:48 PM [Link]
lili now Member 9 Posts 5/13	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 5:45PM "SHE PAID ME TO SHOOT THIS FOR HER!" all 3 of you can be very proud of yourselves. :( [Link]
El Pololoko Member 209 Posts 12/10	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 5:45PM The OP seems to be in conflict with his own desire to view such a scene. He repeatedly claims that he doesn't care for this type of thing, but chronicles the narrative of the entire scene very meticulously. Obviously, he didn't just turn it off when he saw what was being depicted. And to respond directly to one of the OP's assertions, sexuality is not defined by whether your clothes are on or off. This is illogical. If you pull up your wife's skirt in a restaurant bathroom for a quickie without undressing, is this not sex? If I grab my girlfriend by her throat in a dominating manner (which she likes) as a prelude to intercourse while we are still fully clothed, is this act not sexual in nature? Some people find submission sexually arousing, irrespective of attire. It's also amusing to me that he think that it was Nacho who "felt like beating up a woman" that day. This is not only laughable, but also an incendiary accusation. Thank God Christ Streams cleared all of this up. According to him, it was 100% Kara Price who wanted to shoot this kind of scene. She enjoys being dominated in this kind of extreme way. Period. I agree that it's not everyone's cup of tea. But to go on this crusade against Nacho is very misguided. It's a porn scene. It's not surveillance footage of a man abusing a woman. It's a movie project filmed in a controlled environment, with cuts and edits and full consent of the participating individuals. Yes, by design it is made to look real, but it's important for people to understand that it's still a fantasy. As Chris mentioned, she says no repeatedly for effect, not because she wanted him to stop. She didn't use the agreed upon safe word, and therefore didn't actually want him to stop, as difficult as that may be to believe. I personally found it to be very extreme, but parts of it were definitely arousing. It actually took domination and submission to a new level that I have not scene in non-amateur porn. To me, it should be commended for that. But the bottom line is that this scene was filmed in order to fulfill Kara's wishes, not Nacho's alleged desire to abuse women. [Link]

erik2690 Deactivated User 367 Posts 3/12	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 7:27PM Edited by - erik2690 on 6/8/2013 7:29:25 PM [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10078 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jun 8 2013 : 9:19PM No matter that both parties were okay with it. That is still a fucked up scene that should never have been made. There are some things that should not be filmed regardless of what the involve parties think. Am I being too critical when I say that is probably the closest porn can get to shooting a genuine rape scene? [Link]
hoochimama Deactivated User 1438 Posts 5/10	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 6:50AM pat362 wrote: Am I being too critical when I say that is probably the closest porn can get to shooting a genuine rape scene? Click to expand I'm not gonna watch the scene, but what exactly do you mean by that? That the Nacho scene was so well acted as to make you believe it wasn't an act, or that you're just unaware that there is plenty of rape and even gore/death fetish porn being made, usually with your favorite pornstars? ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 6/9/2013 6:51:38 AM [Link]
El Pololoko Member 209 Posts 12/10	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 8:21AM This was not rape. Rape is non-consensual sex. This was very hardcore, aggressive and extreme, but consensual. It's not real, either, people. It's a movie. Just because it makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean that it shouldn't be shot. There are even more extreme scenes being shot everyday, but perhaps not with as recognizable of a performer as Nacho. I'm always getting the feeling that a huge number of posters on the ADT forum are old men with little dicks who just can't accept that a big-dicked brute like Nacho could get away with manhandling girls like he does in most of his scenes. You guys need to wake up. This is a new age and new era. Female performers of today have been watching porn their whole life, and as such, they're tastes have evolved way beyond to what many of you are probably accustomed. These women know what they want and they aren't afraid to go after it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Support what you like and avoid what you don't. But no one in here has the right to say what should or should not be filmed or released. Now if this was actual footage of a girl being sexually assaulted against her will, then of course that should never be released for mass consumption. But again, this was not the case here. [Link]
Kezza Member Female porn lover 334 Posts 6/12	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 8:48AM Here is my two cents. It's not my sort of thing so I wont be watching it, I have watched this sort of scenario before and have never felt comfortable watching it, even in my head I know its not real and more than likely a staged scenario. I am not going to bash Nacho for this and by the sounds of things it wasn't his idea, would people bash him if he was playing a rapist on a crime drama instead of doing rough extreme porn scene. Rough for me should be passionate and consensual for both parties involved. Edited by - Kezza on 6/9/2013 8:50:52 AM [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10078 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 11:19AM I'm not gonna watch the scene, but what exactly do you mean by that? That the Nacho scene was so well acted as to make you believe it wasn't an act, Click to expand Not so much that it isn't an act but that it is so well done that most viewers really can't tell the difference between this and an actual rape. Mind you I basing this largely on the OP's first post and the minute or so of trailer that I saw. There are some things that I can't watch regardless that it's fake or not and this scene falls under that category. [Link]
Todd Gack Deactivated User "Oh, of course. Todd Gack." 849 Posts 6/12	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 1:28PM I'm with Pat on this one. Where's the personal responsibility on the part of all three parties participating in this bullshit? There's equal culpability and lack of judgement here. If this particular "actress" is so determined to "test her limits" (and God do I fucking hate that term) then she should do it privately. I hope this is enough for people to boycott buying films with any of these three involved but I'm sure it isn't. [Link]
JB_X Deactivated User addled 1500 Posts 10/12	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 2:10PM As disturbing as it is to me, I don't really have any objection to it being filmed if it's totally consensual. [Link]
El Pololoko Member 209 Posts 12/10	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 2:35PM Come on, boycott? Really? I keep making this point, but let me say it again. It's a matter of taste. If you don't like this kind of action, you have the freedom and choice to not view it. No one will be forced into watching this scene or end up viewing it by accident.. But expecting others to join in on a boycott or blacklisting of a cameraman/director and a male performer who are critically acclaimed in this industry (several ANV noms/awards between the two of them) over a scene that wasn't your cup of tea? Don't you people see how this is no different than someone coming out and saying that all porn should be boycotted? Or all violent video games ? Or all music that contains profanity? You are just drawing the line where you start to become uncomfortable, but conceptually it's the same thing. Kara and Nacho have worked together in the past. If you really think about the essence of this type of scene, considering that it's a depiction of one of her darkest fantasies, what it actually portrays is a huge amount of trust between these two performers. Kara obviously trusted Nacho enough to push her to (and perhaps beyond) her limits. Is it overly violent? Yes. Is it erotic? Hardly. I found it difficult to watch just like most of us. I ended up skimming through it and deleting soon after downloading it a few weeks ago and soon forgot about it until this thread was started. But this is not the kind of stuff you normally see from Chris Streams, and even though Nacho is known for his dominating sexual prowess and makes scenes similar to this but none quite as extreme, should we really be calling for a boycott or ban on these individuals? For what, exercising poor judgment? Are we really going to hold pornographers to this kind of standard? It just seems ludicrous to me. And my last thought is that maybe I forget that most of the people on this planet are too dumb to differentiate reality from fantasy. Let's all bear in mind that despite how it appears, Nacho was not the one in control. Kara was. [Link]
Unreliable Narrator Senior Member 1706 Posts 3/12	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 4:10PM Literal torture porn huh... It had to come some day. You must truly be fucked up to enjoy something like that. Just wow. [Link]

regomar Member 34 Posts 6/10	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 4:26PM Thanks for the tip! I'll be sure to check this scene out, sounds great! [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 5:55PM pat362 wrote: No matter that both parties were okay with it. Click to expand Probably Kara had to ask your opinion on what is right and what is wrong. [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 5:56PM tintintin wrote: As long as both parties agree nothing is wrong. You don't have to watch if you don't like it. Click to expand exactly. [Link]
Quorrl Senior Member 2835 Posts 3/11	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 6:54PM JB_X wrote: As disturbing as it is to me, I don't really have any objection to it being filmed if it's totally consensual. Click to expand Exactly. [Link]
willeas Member 27 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 7:14PM The acting in this was so over the top it qualifies as some sort of a mainstream movie not porn. [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 8:21PM I once saw a Brazilian vid from a long time ago, where in a BBG scene Nacho even starts beating up the male talent. It was Julian. I recall another scene in some Euro movie where the girl commented to another girl that Nacho was going to fuck her ass, and Nacho responded with something like "Yep, and that shit is going to hurt!". Now, don't get me wrong, I like painal and I've known many women who like their sex mixed with a little pain, but there was something about it that repulsed me. It seemed like he just wanted to hurt her ass and didn't care whether she was going to like it or not. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10078 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 9:16PM Probably Kara had to ask your opinion on what is right and what is wrong. Click to expand Of course not because if she had and we were any way friendly than I would have suggested that she avoid doing this kind of scene. This is the kind of scene that could get a producer in serious trouble because it really hard to argue in front of a jury that a pseudo-rape scene has artistic value. Of course this is now a non-issue because Kara is gone from porn. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10078 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 9:22PM leatherface wrote: tintintin wrote: As long as both parties agree nothing is wrong. You don't have to watch if you don't like it. Click to expand exactly. Click to expand The problem with that argument is that we must first assume that both parties were in a proper state of mind to make such an important decision. Maybe they were at the time and therefore that is not an issue but the second point is quite different because just because all parties involve are of legal age and understood all the parameters going in doesn't mean that shooting a rape scene is wrong on so many levels. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 9:45PM El Pololoko wrote: The OP seems to be in conflict with his own desire to view such a scene. Click to expand Heh. Ya think? Reminds me of the porn-obsessed bible-thumping crowd. [Link]
El Pololoko Member 209 Posts 12/10	Posted - Jun 9 2013 : 11:07PM pat362 wrote: This is the kind of scene that could get a producer in serious trouble because it really hard to argue in front of a jury that a pseudo-rape scene has artistic value. Of course this is now a non-issue because Kara is gone from porn. Click to expand No, this is a non-issue because it's not illegal. Haven't you heard of kink.com? They put out several rape scenes every month. I haven't heard of any of them having to defend themselves in front of a jury. Rape is depicted in a ton of Hollywood films, too, sometimes very explicitly. No problems there. Oh, wait, that's right. Only real rape is illegal. Simulating a rape for a movie is not. To summarize: real crime = illegal. fake crime = not illegal [Link]

JB_X Deactivated User addled 1500 Posts 10/12	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 1:25AM Well you're probably wrong about that. It's not criminal because it's rape, its potentially criminal because it might be obscene. If a federal prosecutor cared enough to indict, I doubt a jury would have much trouble finding that a scene like this lacks serious artistic value. I think John Stagliano would have been convicted (for far tamer material) if not for government incompetence. Even "regular" porn walks a fine line in terms of its legal status. [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 4:55AM pat362 wrote: leatherface wrote: tintintin wrote: As long as both parties agree nothing is wrong. You don't have to watch if you don't like it. Click to expand exactly. Click to expand The problem with that argument is that we must first assume that both parties were in a proper state of mind to make such an important decision. Click to expand and your opinion is that kara wasn't, just because you find the scene repulsive and disturbing and you want to apply your moral judgment on what is just a free choice (and acting). Maybe they were at the time and therefore that is not an issue but the second point is quite different because just because all parties involve are of legal age and understood all the parameters going in doesn't mean that shooting a rape scene is wrong on so many levels. Click to expand It's just a fantasy. Is it disturbing? Yes I bet it is, but it's just a consensual scene (and with a safe word that was never used), it's not a real rape and the difference is huge. If you have someone beating someone else in a street is aggression, on a ring is boxing. Edited by - leatherface on 6/10/2013 5:11:17 AM [Link]
tintintin Senior Member 1230 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 7:38AM shooting a rape scene is wrong on so many levels. Click to expand I find squirting so wrong on so many levels Lets forbid squirting And lets forbid milfs doing younger girls. Thats wrong on so many levels Edited by - tintintin on 6/10/2013 7:40:07 AM [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 8:48AM tintintin wrote: shooting a rape scene is wrong on so many levels. Click to expand I find squirting so wrong on so many levels Lets forbid squirting And lets forbid milfs doing younger girls. Thats wrong on so many levels Edited by - tintintin on 6/10/2013 7:40:07 AM Click to expand don't forget that the porn genre itself is wrong on so many levels. Edited by - leatherface on 6/10/2013 8:48:49 AM [Link]
a9nostic Senior Member 1056 Posts 8/08	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 4:37PM El Pololoko wrote: To summarize: real crime = illegal. fake crime = not illegal Click to expand Polo, unfortunately this is not true. I seem to remember that the legal precedent set was that the work has to have "redeeming social value", not appeal purely to "prurient interest", and not be "obscene" in accordance with the standards of the community in which its distributed. It was the last thing that got Max Hardcore in jail, wasn't it? [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 6:19PM ^Trouble is that it's utterly subjective. The same arguments can be used against Playboy in terms of what some individual deems "obscene". Simply put, El Pololoko's summary is a sound base. The rest is purely down to societal whim. [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 6:35PM ^ But what does "sound base" matter, when the law is actually based on society's whim? That's the problem with obscenity. All the prosecutor has to do is convince 12 people it's obscene, and bam! Off to jail you go. All the logical arguments in the world don't matter worth a damn here. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 6:47PM ^I think people know when they're being edgy. One can use this type of thing to make a statement; I'm sure for example, the folks at Kink.com know the type of grey areas they flirt with. Porn's got a rebellious nature to it, and these are the kind of subjective legal areas that are going to be faced, by those prepared to push the boundaries a bit. May cause a stir? May get people talking about you? May become a hero/martyr of 'free speech'? May set a precedent...? Calculated risk-taking, the way I see it. Edited by - Dubious_Leftovers on 6/10/2013 6:49:25 PM [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 6:56PM ^ Sorry, what's the calculation? And what does that have to do with what we're talking about? El Pololoko said that if it's not real crime being filmed then you're 'safe' as far as legality is concerned. a9nostic and myself pointed out that this isn't the case. None of us were talking about what you should or shouldn't do, or what may or may not be your reasons for it. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 7:20PM ^'Safe'...? Well, okay then, it's not. That's that then. Let no-one question further. Edited by - Dubious_Leftovers on 6/10/2013 7:24:01 PM [Link]
bissy Senior Member Nikki Sexx is superhot !!!! 7066 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 7:47PM I never liked the Nacho Vidal kind of rough scenes...good he is gone !! [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 8:36PM Since the site in question is Spanish and not American US obscenity laws are not relevant in this case. Jacco [Link]
JB_X Deactivated User addled 1500 Posts 10/12	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 9:39PM Even if it was produced and shot in California? [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 9:46PM ^ And it was paid for by an American (Kara Price), to be released on an American website (hers). [Link]
MV007 Member 69 Posts 3/13	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 11:33PM I could be wrong but it may depend on where the servers are if we're talking about jurisdiction. [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 11:43PM ^ Oooh, I hadn't thought of that. [Link]