Penny Flame's vh1 show (page 3)

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Dean Wormer Senior Member Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 1048 Posts 7/04	Posted - Nov 16 2009 : 7:07PM jrsl76 wrote: No, they are paid to appear and are essentially getting both exposure and treatment. Click to expand I think you meant ridicule and mistreatment [Link]
cm37564 Senior Member 1105 Posts 9/05	Posted - Nov 18 2009 : 7:02AM Savoy wrote: Clam Digger wrote: I think there are probably a lot of people in porn who have that "12-year old" conception of sex, and it shows. As performer, she was special as she was able to convincingly fake intimacy, while at the same time, never really experiencing it in her personal life. Click to expand No doubt, she is an awesome actress. Just never realized how far the acting went. Click to expand You didn't believe it was all fake yet??? [Link]
jrsl76 Senior Member Perfection 4024 Posts 8/07	Posted - Nov 18 2009 : 11:38AM Dean Wormer wrote: jrsl76 wrote: No, they are paid to appear and are essentially getting both exposure and treatment. Click to expand I think you meant ridicule and mistreatment Click to expand Believe, I took one of the participants for CR3 their paperwork to sign and she flat out said to me that the main reason for her to do it was for the exposure it would bring her around a music career. Regarding the proxy question which I just noticed. I only know how to do this in Safari, but would assume it would work in other browsers. Google search "proxy list". See what comes up. I know there is a Russian site called Samair or something similar. Go to the site. Find where it lists proxy addresses by type. There are different types, for the purpose mentioned above, I would suggest a "high anonymous proxy server" Now there should be a list of quite a few. Open you browser preferences, network, advanced, Go to proxies. Go to Http. Now take the IP address of one of the proxies and paste it in. Paste in the port code as well and apply. Now when you browse the internet, other sites see your IP as this the IP of this proxy server and it can't be traced to you. In this case, the useful quality of this is that if your country is being blocked out, you choose a proxy based in the US. The website you want to view now thinks you are in the US. If you only choose an anonymous proxy, sites can tell you are using a proxy and some might reject useage, with a hign anonymous proxy, sites cannot tell. [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - Nov 18 2009 : 2:14PM jrsl76 wrote: Believe, I took one of the participants for CR3 their paperwork to sign and she flat out said to me that the main reason for her to do it was for the exposure it would bring her around a music career. Click to expand You may not be in a position to say, but was there a noticeable difference in attitude by the end of the show? [Link]

Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 19 2009 : 6:42PM This is interesting. Oh, and be sure to read the comments section - they are infamously vile and abusive on Violet Blue's SF Gate articles. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Nov 19 2009 : 7:15PM Yeah, well, her columns are infamously boring and poorly written. In a just world, full custody and use of the name Violet Blue for all purposes would be awarded to Violet Blue the performer; Violet Blue the author should be forced to use a nom de plume like Hortense Glick. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 19 2009 : 7:42PM ^ Regardless of opinions on her writing skills, criticism that involves a) calling her subjects whores, b) dismissing her work solely because it's to do with sex and therefore has no business being on the front page, and c) blatantly misogynistic remarks about Violet, is indefensible in my opinion. You mean Violet Blue the mature lady? I saw her on Howard Stern, and then got confused when I read Violet's blog. I agree with you on this point - who came first though? [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Nov 19 2009 : 9:10PM Ha, no, you're thinking of Blue Iris (who recently passed away, sadly). I'm talking about this Violet Blue, who made a lot of movies in the first half of this decade, then got entangled in a stupid dispute with the crummy writer Violet Blue. I think the performer ended up essentially throwing up her hands and letting the crummy writer have the name. The performer seems to have recently started working again, now calling herself No-name Jane. [Link]
TheCuriousDizzle Member 91 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 20 2009 : 12:38AM Savoy wrote: Just curious, have you ever been in therapy? Unfortunately, it's not just a TV move. I've seen a handful of therapists and a couple of psychiatrists during my lifetime and more than one has done that. They use silence and pauses like kur-razy. It must be a tool they are taught. Click to expand I'm a college professor and I do the same thing. It isn't a tool to make people cry... it's a tool to make people talk. When I first started teaching I wouldn't pause long enough. You know what happens when you don't pause long enough? You always talk and no one ever answers. It just happens in the context that Dr. Drew (or any therapist) is in, the talking often leads to crying. [Link]
julien1982 Member Mean and Rude 600 Posts 7/05	Posted - Nov 20 2009 : 10:50AM Gore Gore Girl wrote: This is interesting. Oh, and be sure to read the comments section - they are infamously vile and abusive on Violet Blue's SF Gate articles. Click to expand Really interesting. Nice catch, GGG! [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 23 2009 : 9:42AM The ex-Penny Flame is appearing on today's episode of Oprah November sweeps, bayybeee!!! :) [Link]
Dean Wormer Senior Member Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 1048 Posts 7/04	Posted - Nov 23 2009 : 3:33PM It's gotta be better than the train wreck that is Dr. Quack. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 23 2009 : 5:17PM I like that Oprah is getting back down into the muck that helped her beat Donahue back in the day. That's probably why she's quitting now, she thinks she's too good for it. BTW what is up with the second part of the show promo about the guy who is 'addicted to porn' which they describe as 'chat rooms, prostitutes.' Neither of those things are porn! [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 24 2009 : 7:40AM ^ I wanna know what's up with that crackhead telling Jennie he's gonna "rape the shit out of her." Gross. [Link]

mapofhawaii Senior Member 1050 Posts 3/06	Posted - Nov 24 2009 : 2:13PM Yeah, that was James, the surfer guy. I look for him to be booted off the show. He wasn't participating anyway, and saying something like that is way out of bounds, even as a joke. [Link]
Agbotech Member 52 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 24 2009 : 2:18PM Is she making a comeback? [Link]
Dean Wormer Senior Member Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 1048 Posts 7/04	Posted - Nov 24 2009 : 3:51PM Agbotech wrote: Is she making a comeback? Click to expand Whatever gave you that idea? [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 2:50AM It seems like I am missing all of the good Oprah moments these days. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 4:51AM Gore Gore Girl wrote: but boy do I love seeing that "sad face" Drew turn a shade of pale, followed by what I call the "Drew pout" - where his lips get all tight. It's a subtle remove from "sad face" and occurs when he doesn't know what to say. Click to expand Dean Wormer wrote: It's gotta be better than the train wreck that is Dr. Quack. Click to expand [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 5:14AM Did anyone actually catch her interview? She did an amazing job. Articulate. Looked great. Oprah high-fived her. It was awesome. The only thing that made me cringe was when she said she had been out of adult for 6 months, the audience applauded and she smiled at that but didn't say anything positive about the industry. I know it's not something she's required to do, but it had that righteous, down-with-porn vibe to it. Maybe I'm just hypersensitive. Edited by - savoy on 11/25/2009 5:19:10 AM [Link]
XXXenophile Member 343 Posts 1/07	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 5:58AM Savoy wrote: Did anyone actually catch her interview? She did an amazing job. Articulate. Looked great. Oprah high-fived her. It was awesome. The only thing that made me cringe was when she said she had been out of adult for 6 months, the audience applauded and she smiled at that but didn't say anything positive about the industry. I know it's not something she's required to do, but it had that righteous, down-with-porn vibe to it. Maybe I'm just hypersensitive. Edited by - savoy on 11/25/2009 5:19:10 AM Click to expand Knowing mainstream tv, she either did say something and it was edited out, or they flat out told her not to say anything positive. She certainly never mentioned that she did one final convention. Wonder if Dr. Drew even knows she went to that con? Oprah having two people saying good things about the porn industry in two weeks? Sponsors and fans would riot! [Link]
Dean Wormer Senior Member Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 1048 Posts 7/04	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 6:05AM Harri Patel wrote: Dean Wormer wrote: It's gotta be better than the train wreck that is Dr. Quack. Click to expand Click to expand That was so fucking stupid. They were all in paintball outfits throwing paint at canvas and yelling idiocy. They should have turned on Dr. Quack like Doug Niedermeyer's troops did in Vietnam. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 7:15AM XXXenophile wrote: Knowing mainstream tv, she either did say something and it was edited out, or they flat out told her not to say anything positive. She certainly never mentioned that she did one final convention. Wonder if Dr. Drew even knows she went to that con? Click to expand I agree but I don't think Dr. Drew treats her on a regular basis. She writes about another doc and the therapist Jill from the show. I think she mentioned discussing it with them in her blog. [Link]
BritneyStages Deactivated User 17 Posts 8/09	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 7:41AM Oh poor poor Penny - I refuse to call her Jennie. She's Penny Flame - the cigarette-soaked, drug-addled pornstar who whored herself out for years and now seeks solace in the arms of Dr. Drew, Oprah and whoever the fuck else. I imagine that there are many adolescent girls in particular reading this treatment of this degenerate and thinking that since her story is being covered in major newspapers and she gets the big gig on VH-1 and that phony Oprah show, that somehow it is a socially accepted pattern of behaviour. Ugh. Oh poor poor Penny. Puhleeze. Her face is plastered all over the internet, covered in splooge and being violated every which way by creepy dudes. THAT is her legacy. She is an emotional wreck, a heaping pile of sympathy-seeking Dyonisian fragility - who has no one to blame for entering the depraved world of porn and suffering the consequences but herself. Amen. [Link]

Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 7:51AM ^ [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 7:52AM Harri Patel wrote: Gore Gore Girl wrote: but boy do I love seeing that "sad face" Drew turn a shade of pale, followed by what I call the "Drew pout" - where his lips get all tight. It's a subtle remove from "sad face" and occurs when he doesn't know what to say. Click to expand Dean Wormer wrote: It's gotta be better than the train wreck that is Dr. Quack. Click to expand Click to expand [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 11:24AM BritneyStages wrote: angry stuff... Click to expand It was nice knowing you, friend... [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 2:55PM I knew Dr. Drew's little outfit reminded me of something. I tossed and turned all night trying to think what it was. Finally, it came to me. [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 3:20PM ^ Thinking about Dr. Drew all night is a fate worse than death... [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 4:17PM ^^ Did you wake up feeling ashamed about things you never thought were shameful before? [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 4:26PM ^ If I were Harri, I would have been ashamed of having thought about Dr. Drew at all. [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 4:53PM Savoy wrote: ..... The only thing that made me cringe was when she said she had been out of adult for 6 months, the audience applauded and she smiled at that but didn't say anything positive about the industry. I know it's not something she's required to do, but it had that righteous, down-with-porn vibe to it. Maybe I'm just hypersensitive. Edited by - savoy on 11/25/2009 5:19:10 AM Click to expand I saw the interview, FWIW. Savoy, you should read her last 2 blog entries. She is not anti-porn, but she has turned a corner, and isn't looking back. [Link]
mapofhawaii Senior Member 1050 Posts 3/06	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 5:04PM BritneyStages wrote: Oh poor poor Penny - I refuse to call her Jennie. She's Penny Flame - the cigarette-soaked, drug-addled pornstar who whored herself out for years and now seeks solace in the arms of Dr. Drew, Oprah and whoever the fuck else. I imagine that there are many adolescent girls in particular reading this treatment of this degenerate and thinking that since her story is being covered in major newspapers and she gets the big gig on VH-1 and that phony Oprah show, that somehow it is a socially accepted pattern of behaviour. Ugh. Oh poor poor Penny. Puhleeze. Her face is plastered all over the internet, covered in splooge and being violated every which way by creepy dudes. THAT is her legacy. She is an emotional wreck, a heaping pile of sympathy-seeking Dyonisian fragility - who has no one to blame for entering the depraved world of porn and suffering the consequences but herself. Amen. Click to expand You're as dumb as they come. Did you know that she was raped? I guess that doesn't matter to you since you have shown that you have no depth of thought. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 2:26PM BritneyStages wrote: I imagine that there are many adolescent girls in particular reading this treatment of this degenerate and thinking that since her story is being covered in major newspapers and she gets the big gig on VH-1 and that phony Oprah show, that somehow it is a socially accepted pattern of behaviour. Ugh. Click to expand Do you mean doing porn? If you look down on porn and its performers so much do you breakdown into tears of shame every time you jerk off to it? [Link]

Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 2:30PM ^I was thinking more of a wrapped-in-barb-wire approach. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 2:35PM [Link]
mbmalpha137 Member 386 Posts 8/08	Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 2:36PM Come on the people who have the worst things to say about porn or about the people doing it usually have the hardest of hardcore fetishes and download the hardest material. That's why Utah has the highest percentage of porn subscribers. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 5:52PM Clam Digger wrote: Savoy, you should read her last 2 blog entries. She is not anti-porn, but she has turned a corner, and isn't looking back. Click to expand I've already read them. Her beaming face still irked me. I'm going with the opinion that it was a moment/mood created by the producers of the show. At least she didn't talk shit. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 6:19AM I think if you say something and a whole audience applauds, it's a natural, unconscious reaction to smile and enjoy it. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 9:18PM ^Still not feeling it. I sense a turncoat in the making. This week's episode pissed me off. You have this 22-year-old young man. He isn't a talker. He doesn't have conversations about emotions. All in all, he's pretty fucking clueless. He's just shooting the shit and he says something he shouldn't. But instead of everyone being grown-ups and doing as the therapists said - acknowledging one can't know if they crossed a boundary if the person owning it didn't even realize it existed - and moving on with this new knowledge. Flame freaks out. Who she should be mad at is the man who actually raped her, but he's not there to receive all that anger, is he? And there goes Kendra Jade dividing everyone again. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 10:15PM I got mad about this too. It was a really stupid thing to say, and totally insensitive, but the reaction (I don't even mean Jennie's specifically) was way over the top. They seemed to edit a lot out - it just didn't seem right. [Link]
cm37564 Senior Member 1105 Posts 9/05	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 11:54PM 1. why is Dr. Drew wearing that?!?!! 2. Oprah would never do anything to show the porn industry in a positive light. At the end of the day, she is still a feminist. They'd do a worse number than they did on Sasha Grey's Tyra interview. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 12:26AM Savoy wrote: You have this 22-year-old young man. He isn't a talker. He doesn't have conversations about emotions. All in all, he's pretty fucking clueless. He's just shooting the shit and he says something he shouldn't. Click to expand Maybe talking about "raping" girls is just something all these whacky kids nowadays are saying. By the bye, I'm not convinced that any of the people on this show, other than the gay guy and maybe the aging rocker, aren't just making all this shit up for a paycheck. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 12:30AM Maybe 'rape' is the new 'gay' with the kids these days. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 12:38AM These kids, with their iPhones and their tattoos and their crazy clothes . . . [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 4:35AM The words "rape" and "molest" are used in a joking manner a lot these days. Right or wrong, they are. Earlier in the show, those two were joking about her beating him up for sexual gratification. I can just imagine James walking away from that "rape" conversation content because he made her laugh and smile and that's all he wanted. She's the one who has her signals mixed up. She's the one who isn't aware of her boundaries - probably hasn't had appropriate physical or sexual boundaries for most of her life. I don't know about the others, but I believe her story. Everything she says aligns with what she's written in her blogs over the last two years. She's been hurting over her inability to connect and have a relationship for quite awhile. She's been open about her drug abuse. I pray to God that treatment sticks because she bounces from one interest to the other. Something would get her focus 100% then she would drop it and move on to something else. I hope that it was just a manifestation of drug, alcohol and sex abuse. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 7:46AM I remember a female friend as a teen saying about some guy "I want him to rape me!" It was a stupid, giggly moment, and we were all confused by why she said it. But, point is, it happens sometimes, gross as it sounds, and it's not an entirely new phenomenon. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 7:49AM cm37564 wrote: 2. Oprah would never do anything to show the porn industry in a positive light. At the end of the day, she is still a feminist. They'd do a worse number than they did on Sasha Grey's Tyra interview. Click to expand I identify as feminist, and I don't think Oprah and I would agree on much. That doesn't mean she doesn't identify as feminist too, but just that there are lots of different strands of feminism. Edited to explain myself better. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 11/30/2009 9:35:47 AM [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 1:32PM I don't think the surfer dude really wanted to rape Jennie. He is just being a clueless jerk, who has managed to disassociate the word from the harsh reality of its meaning. It just might be something a person, whose reality may be the same as Peter Pan's, would actually say. I do wonder why the incident itself, wasn't caught on camera. I wonder if Jennie heard his statement as her alter ego, Penny Flame, but thought later about it as Jennie. Penny, the performer in 330+ plus sex scenes, might have been able to suppress the ugly reality of her rape, while Jennie, clearly more vulnerable, is not able to. Her actual rape has no context. We don't know if it occurred in her pre-porn days, or if it occurred during her adult career. Can a women who has done 330 sex scenes, be heard by society, when she actually is raped? I noticed that during the art therapy session, everyone's work was displayed and discussed, except for Jennie's. She is a gifted artist, with a clear ability to express herself, and considering how the episode turned, especially from that point on, I was surprised that it wasn't at least displayed. It did appear to me, that the folks who she initially told about what the surfer (I can't remember his name} had said, actually incited her a bit. Editing can't help but distort the whole picture of what's happening, as I for one, had not picked up on the depth of the relationship, between the gay guy and Jennie, before this last episode. Of all the people there, I find Kendra's attitude very troubling. Edited: After this last post I did read her latest blog entry, Morning Monday, which I at least found illuminating. Edited by - Clam Digger on 11/30/2009 1:49:28 PM [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Dec 2 2009 : 7:39PM Doggone rape-obsessed kids. [Link]