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| kvitka Member  35 Posts 12/10 |  Posted - Dec 11 2010 : 4:54PMGreetings from Europe. I would like to ask you a few questions. First and most important one - Why AVN is so homophobic? Why did they make this ridiculous segregation of gay and a bi porn from main awards? Isn’t gay-sex adult enough? It appears to me that «straight» porn industry imposes double standards on bisexuality and homophobia. «Straight» porn industry segregates and humiliates gay and bi guys and one of the obvious examples is creation of the ghetto as GayVN. My friends, who are STRAIGHT girls, usually are watching only gay and bi porn. Because there are so many sexy guys there! Could somebody tell me why the straight-porn doesn't consider opinion of straight-girls? Back to double standards, why female homosexual scenes are presented in straight-porn, but male homosexual scenes aren't presented?! Then let this genre be renamed to "Porn for straight men". As of now this genre represents only male heterosexual interests. Another question, why some envious "bisexual-women-for-pay" accuse gay porn performers that they spread AIDS? In most of gay movies actors use condoms. Probably "bisexual-women-for-pay" spread AIDS!? Did anybody hear about Sigmund Freud? He has told that all people are born bisexual. Then why only women have right to be bisexual? Why clever Greeks and Romans were bisexual and appreciated beautiful male body, but now men suppress their homoerotism and transform it to a homophobia. What is the main reason for that? The crapping collection of fairy tales called Bible or hypocritical homophobic influence of "straight" porn industry? Edited by - Joey Starr on Dec 12 2010 [Link] |
| Joey Starr Senior Member Still wanking after all these years. 8082 Posts 10/00 | Posted - Dec 11 2010 : 4:58PM [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2010 : 5:15PM If you're saying that gay XXX is segregated from straight XXX, on account of some inherent fear or homophobia, I'd be inclined to agree. But I'm not sure what any of this has to do with AIDS... [Link] |
| celluloidferox Senior Member @EmperorCorndog 1438 Posts 1/10 | Posted - Dec 11 2010 : 6:30PM Conversely, straight guys love looking at two women having sex so that is welcomed and often demanded. That's where your double standard comes in: Guys complaining about gay porn and demanding lesbian porn. The industry caters to what it's audience wants. Something around 80% of the porn audience are straight guys, and what they are asking for is what is being presented. The industry would gladly saturate the market with gay porn if the consumers were demanding it on the level of straight and lesbian porn. Afterall there is a transsexual category in the AVN awards, and that's because Transsexual porn is extremely popular in the general scope of things. [Link] |
Jonny Jay  Outlier Moderator 5990 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Dec 11 2010 : 6:41PM [Link] |
| His Dudeness All Business Shut the fuck up, Donny!! 2793 Posts 4/10 | Posted - Dec 11 2010 : 7:02PM [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 11 2010 : 7:08PM Yes. Becouse christianity, until guys were BI. But now "straight" porn ñultivates a homophobia. It is a reason and effect of homophobia. "Straight" porn imposes standarts that "male-female and female-female is normal BUT male-male not normal." In PreChristian era male bisexuality was a norm. And now many hetero-guys would like to have sex with the guy sometimes..BUT it is a tabboo! "Straight" porn blocks male bisexuality. However, demand for this production exists for a long time. Not only for gays and bi, for many straight girls too. As a result not-adoption, homophobic violence and humiliation gay and bi guys, and also a suicide of homosexual teenagers. I know that you dont worry about it, but I want that you knew about it. And I want to say that! And ghetto as GayVN becouse a homophobic hate. Nothing else... [Link] |
| raybbaby Member Sarah knows why Barack won! 482 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Dec 11 2010 : 9:15PM [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 7:39AM But you haven't convinced me. It is a reason and effect of homophobia. These standarts block male homoerotism(48% by A.Kinsey researches) and transform it to a homophobia. Then let this genre be renamed to "Porn for straight men". This genre represents only male heterosexual interests. Not Adult! [Link] |
| Joey Starr Senior Member Still wanking after all these years. 8082 Posts 10/00 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 8:37AM |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 8:51AM [Link] |
| Joey Starr Senior Member Still wanking after all these years. 8082 Posts 10/00 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 9:08AM [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 9:56AM thank you. [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 10:47AM [Link] |
| iamKARTEL Member I am the ONE 8 Posts 10/10 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 1:16PM [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 2:31PM The "double standard" is there but, as people have already commented, is not on the part of the production companies, but rather a byproduct of consumer demands. Straight dudes/"brahs," etc. don't want any of "that gay shit" interrupting heteronormative masturbation fantasies, so why on earth would a porn studio do something knowing that it would upset their customer base...cause, you know, "gay shit is fucked up man, but two chicks makin' out is hot!" And there's the actual double standard: it's not that homosexuality is found unappealing, but that specifically male homosexuality is reviled by the heteronormative male while female homosexuality has been integrated as an almost heterosexual fetish behavior. In fact, the very behavior which has gotten some male performers virtually prohibited from appearing in straight sex scenes (i.e. also appearing in homosexual scenes with other males) has just the opposite effect when a female performer has sex with another woman on camera. Now, I can completely understand that if the perceived "goal" of "pornography" is to sexually stimulate the viewer, those with heterosexual preferences are less inclined to want to see homosexuality depicted just like those with homosexual preferences are less inclined to want to see heterosexuality depicted. So, as everyone tries to claim discrimination in straight porn, it's not as if movie geared towards the gay and lesbian markets often have cameos pussies and dicks, respectively. But still, in contemporary hetero porn, there not only seems to be a dislike for male/male content, but a fear/worry that any content that might have even some slight gay subtext will "soil" the heterosexual "integrity" of the movie. This kinda reminds of a thread from a while back in which another poster asserted that vaginal DPs were "gay" because no truly heterosexual man would dream of penetrating a woman at the same time as another man, lest their dicks touch. While I can see some substance to this claim, providing that the men in question are so staunchly heterosexual in their lives that even the mere image of a nude man makes them quiver, but if two women make out with each other while one's getting fucked, it's "hot." Once again, there's the double standard. But it's a relatively new double standard. A double standard of the past 25 years or so for, if we examine many XXX movies produced before the mid 80s, plenty of behaviors which, if present in modern XXX, would horrify the cliched hetero male viewer. I'm talking about innocuous stuff like vaginal DPs, or two dicks being held together while being blown at once, or, even worse, an occasional instance of a MMW three-way in which one dude ends up partially cumming on the other. My god, what would the anti "gay shit" dudes say to that? But the thing is, back then these acts were commonplace in films and no one seemed to mind. So where did this whole change happen? What's more is that male/male scenes would also occasionally pop up in straight features, such as THE STORY OF JOANNA and THE EROTIC ADVENTURES OF CANDY (two of the era's most successful films) and no one seemed to be put off. Edited by - john lyons on 12/12/2010 3:20:03 PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 3:02PM My Grade: F-." Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 12/12/2010 3:02:50 PM [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 3:45PM But! Homophobia is an artificial phenomenon. From the history we know a lot of civilizations (until Christianity and Islam) where male bisexuality was a norm. Psychologists often will say that aggressive homophobia is because of the suppression of the own homoerotism. And I know many hetero-guys who drink alcohol and offer sex to gay-guys after that)))) Therefore everything that you write is ambiguously. And now porn continues to cultivate this stigmatisation. GayVN as the Jewish ghettoes in nazi Germany and as a policy of a racial segregation in the USA (until 1964) and South Africa (until 1994). White people didn't want that black people were with them in cafe, schools... It is hate! [Link] |
| Fernandez Deactivated User 781 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 4:19PM Eva was a Lesbian. Hess was bisexual. Ilse Koch was a guy. [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 4:43PM Also, and I say this as someone who has had sex with members of both genders (though I hate the term "bisexual"), I don't think all people have some inherent desire for homosexuality that has been quashed by contemporary Judeo-Christian society. Sure, Greek and Roman societies made fewer gender based sexual distinctions, but neither Greek nor Roman societies treated homosexual and heterosexual intercourse as socially equal. I'd agree that homophobia is taught but I know plenty of people who identify as homosexual who are absolutely repulsed by heterosexuality. So nothing is as simple as you're making it out to be. Edited by - john lyons on 12/12/2010 4:57:24 PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 4:47PM [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 5:53PM I was just looking over the "arthur" thread that Joey Starr linked up. I've gotta say, he makes some great points, especially regarding "couples" movies. I was just talking to a woman who loves watching porn and was complaining that contemporary so-called "couples" or "women friendly" titles still spend too much time sexualizing the WOMAN and always take opportunities to offer incidental female nudity or girl/girl scenes, but never offers incidental male nudity, or even something as simple as a man jerking off without a woman present (like female masturbation scenes don't require the on-screen presence of a man). So I'd agree with Arthur that the sexualization of the male body in X rated movies isn't just for homos...Women get off on it too and, with the presence of girl/girl or female masturbation scenes but absolute absence of male masturbation scenes or male/male sex in movies which are supposedly being marketed to appeal to women as much as men, these supposed "couples" films are clearly not representing the sexual interests of both sides of the heterosexual couple. And as for "bi" porn, well that's always been a joke. The only serious example I can think of is Jerry Douglas' BOTH WAYS. Otherwise, bi porn is pretty much gay porn with women. I'd love to see some contemporary studio create "couples" type films which feature both standard straight sex scenes, mixed with some girl/girl and guy/guy. Not a "bisexual" movie, but a predominantly straight oriented title which truly speaks to the sexual desires of both men and women. Edited by - john lyons on 12/12/2010 5:57:57 PM [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 6:54PM Difference only in a damage from a segregation. Essence one: a segregation because of a hate. About Greek and Roman societies. And not only in these societes male bisexuality was a norm - Kievan Rus'(Early Russia), Japan (until european influence), Indian America, China, african tribes, tribes of Papua-new Guinea and many others. Homosexual rites in pagan societes, the tolerant relation everywhere. I know that homosexual and heterosexual intercourse as socially were not equal there. I wanted to tell not about this. I wanted to tell that homosex was widespread. It means that not only homosexuals want men. Straights\bisexuals\bi-curious guys sometimes too. But Auraamistic religions have identified "correct" masculinity with heterosexism. I didn't assert that 100 % of guys have such propensities. But nevertheless very many of them. But this taboo and consequently the reason for a homophobia. Ex-BF of my friend was terrible homophobic! But once she has found a huge gay porn collection in his computer. I think he's bi or bi-curious. But it is "shame", stigma. I know that it will change. But it would be desirable, that it has occurred faster. In this topic I want to say just one thing that AVN continues segregation and marginalization of gay\bi guys. GayVn is a ghetto. And it isn't a shame for me to repeat this. "Low" it when homophobs write that "lesbians is a cool, but fags must die". [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 7:44PM I agree with you that homophobia has manifested itself in western society thanks, in part, to its prohibition in most major religions, despite its great prevalence throughout history. And no one is disputing that pansexuality was more or less acceptable in many societies before the introduction on Christianity. That's not the issue being debated here. However, if you're trying to assert that most supposedly heterosexual men who express homophobia in the form of refusing to watch male/male sex scenes while demanding female/female sex scenes, are secretly gay or "bisexual," I think you're way off base. It's perfectly reasonable that a man who's mostly (or solely) attracted to women might find women having sex appealing and men having sex unappealing, just like women who are attracted to men might find men having sex appealing and women having sex unappealing. In the same way that I doubt you'll find much demand for random straight sex scenes in movies designed to appeal to gay or lesbian audiences; there simply isn't any interest on the part of the market these movies are being sold to. I still think Arthur made the best point when he rationalized that so-called "couples" movies still seem geared exclusively towards heterosexual male desires and ignore a woman's desire to see the sexualization of a man. And with that assertion, I'm in complete agreement. [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 12 2010 : 8:30PM I wrote earlier that "Difference only in a damage from a segregation. Essence one: a segregation because of a hate." Ok. Not Jewish ghettos. As rasist segregation in USA. ____________ "However, if you're trying to assert that most supposedly heterosexual men who express homophobia in the form of refusing to watch male/male sex scenes while demanding female/female sex scenes, are secretly gay or "bisexual," I think you're way off base." I wrote earlier that "I didn't assert that 100 % of guys have such propensities. But nevertheless very many of them.But this taboo and consequently the reason for a homophobia." Homophobia as their alibi of "correct" masculinity. ____________ "I still think Arthur made the best point when he rationalized that so-called "couples" movies still seem geared exclusively towards heterosexual male desires and ignore a woman's desire to see the sexualization of a man. And with that assertion, I'm in complete agreement." Of course, straight girls like male-male sensuality. [Link] |
| Karla-Marx Member 6 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 13 2010 : 3:08PM And GayVN it's getto. I agree. [Link] |
| Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 14 2010 : 8:13PM IMHO, I think Celluliodferox and Raybbaby have offered the the most concise, reasonable and logical answers to the OP. If you're not willing to understand what they're saying, than this thread will swiftly go the way of  Edited by - zarinafan on 12/14/2010 8:15:38 PM [Link] |
| Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 14 2010 : 8:20PM Did anybody hear about Sigmund Freud? He has told that all people are born bisexual. I'm bisexual? That news has not yet reached my penis. [:p)] Seriously though, any guy who watches male-female porn would have to admit to some sort of tinge of bi-ness perhaps. After all, your attention is going to be focused another guys' dick at least part of the time. And as has been discussed in ADT many times, most guys want the guy in the scene to be fairly attractive, not a 110-pound small-dicked wanker. But as far as being sexually attracted to the same gender enough to want to have sex with them on a regular basis? Speaking for myself, no. Never had any desire to fuck another man. You want to, great! But Freud said lots of stuff, not all of it true. Edited by - zarinafan on 12/14/2010 8:29:08 PM [Link] |
| charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Dec 14 2010 : 8:51PM [Link] |
| charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Dec 14 2010 : 9:21PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Dec 14 2010 : 9:28PM [Link] |
| greg Member Thinking real hard about Katsirk 793 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Dec 15 2010 : 5:08AM Many women are fascinated with other beautiful women, while few men are openly fascinated with other attractive men. In addition to that a man admitting to enthusiastically that another man is hot, could easily be ridiculed by the woman he loves. It could even freak her out and be the deal breaker, a big risk and he isn't the only tight ass drawing the lines. On the other hand many men would almost have an almost emotional, or spiritual experience over watching his wife or gf kissing another woman. College girls going bi, is very fashionable and hot, while gay experimentation isn't embraced by the masses of males, or the females. So it is just business, be it main stream movies or porn wanting to sell their product. The market is the driver, why would anyone expect any thing different? [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 15 2010 : 6:46AM So, it all because "straight" porn industry standards. Who has created this fashion?!! That "male-female and female-female it is a normal, but male-male it is not normal". But I think, guys will be more free in experiments with their sexuality soon. zarinafan, I already wrote in this topic that many guys are compelled to suppress their bisexual potential now. Guys most better than girls understand requirements of each other in sex. In pagan societies it understood better than now. In particular, because of hypocritical double standards from porn. I am not against pseudo-lesbian scenes in "straight" porn. I am against hypocrisy! I am against segregation, marginalization and stigmatization male-male sexuality from human sexuality. it is as racist segregation in USA until 1960s. It is a cause of homophobia, not-adoption. It is obvious. For what this ghetto as GayVN? Award ceremonies must be under one brand. [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 15 2010 : 6:58AM But it is a consequence of a sexism and heterosexist patriarchy too. Back to Antiquity (where heterosexism wasn't), we can see that both male and female body were considered as the beautiful. Absolutely irrational statement which is imposed by hetero-men only because so it seems to them. This phenomenon called "male gaze". Also it is considered in feminist movement. There are many excellent articles about this silly stereotype! [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 15 2010 : 7:13AM zarinafan, Not only Freud spoke about it. [Link] |
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| greg Member Thinking real hard about Katsirk 793 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Dec 15 2010 : 8:47AM I will also agree that it sounds reasonable for gay men to find other men more attractive. But that doesn't refute the idea the idea of beautiful or sexy, is more likely to be applied to females than males. But, I should have stayed out of this topic. I don't care much for any Awards Presentations, Banquets etc...and don't waste my time watching them. Boredom just got the best of me. I apologize. Kvitka, best wishes with whatever porn you prefer, and I really enjoy discussing topics with Europeans like you and the other poster from Moscow. Your English is good enough to understand in my opinion, and I believe this is a friendly forum to practice and refine your writing. [Link] |
| jobe55 Deactivated User 27 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 23 2010 : 4:55PM You said you don't want to see homosexual scenes in straight porn movies. Girl-girl is a homosexual scene. Why don't you object to that? You seem to have double standards. Girl-girl = homosexual. Any straight porn movie that contains girl-girl scenes is incorporating female homosexual activity. Homosexual is homosexual, not straight. A man who enjoys watching lesbians isn't straight by the merit of the fact that he watches lesbians. He may be a bisexual man, for instance. He may even be a gay guy who enjoys watching lesbians in the same way some lesbians like watching male-male sex. In any case, this isn't about you. Edited by - jobe55 on 12/23/2010 4:57:22 PM [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 23 2010 : 5:10PM Seems like a shit ton of new folks signing up just to participate in this thread... Anyway, I really hope you're not accusing GGG of double standards because you misread this quote:Cause if you are referring to the quote above, you totally missed the fact that she herself is quoting an IMDB review... Edited by - john lyons on 12/23/2010 5:10:52 PM [Link] |
| jobe55 Deactivated User 27 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 23 2010 : 6:15PM Oh, OK, my apologies to GoreGoreGirl if I've misinterpreted her earlier post. [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Dec 23 2010 : 8:15PM [Link] |
| just_me Member 133 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Dec 23 2010 : 8:58PM Edited by - just_me on 12/23/2010 9:00:14 PM [Link] |
| jobe55 Deactivated User 27 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 24 2010 : 3:54PM Um, yes it is a homophobic double standard. The bisexual double standard in the straight porn industry is most definitely based on homophobia - ie homophobia towards male-male sexuality. I also think that the women in porn are just as guilty as the men in promoting this double standard. On the social GLBT blogs, there's a campaign developing to come down hard on the females who do straight porn. They're being accused of propping up the homophobic double standard. I don't know what might happen eventually but it seems that straight porn is most definitely getting a bad rap on the GLBT blogs. [Link] |
| raybbaby Member Sarah knows why Barack won! 482 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Dec 24 2010 : 4:36PM [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 25 2010 : 2:56AM I don't force anybody to masturbate on a gay porn! But award ceremonies must be under ONE BRAND!!! Film festivals in Berlin, Venice and Cannes also have gay-awards. Probably some spectators dont want this. But ceremonies pass in frameworks of one festival and under ONE BRAND. Maybe in different days. And the statement about absolute incompatibility of spectators is not true. many gay guys buy straight porn, many "straight" guys also buy gay porn because of their curiosity and for their girl-friends. Gay guys buy lesbian porn (I dont understand why, but this fact is exist), lesbians buy gay male porn because in "straight" porn fake lesbian scenes. And, of course, a lot of straight girls prefer gay male porn. It is absolutely logical and obviously. Especially young girls, new generation. Human sexuality is not ordinary thing. But this segregation imposes hypocritical double standards on bisexuality. Not only gay guys have inclination to men, but this hypocritical policy block male homoerotism, because it is a tabboo. Doesn't leave chance of change. Maybe guys could be more free in realization of their natural bisexual potential soon! as it was in Antiquity, for example!!! Male bisexuality was a norm! But no, AVN say that female bisexuality is a ordinary thing, but any male-male activity should be segregated and forced out. And guys suppress their homoerotism and transform it to homophobia. There are researches which have proved this fact. Gomofobic men were excited from a gay porno, but then denied it (because this tabboo). These standards one of the homophobia reasons. To this conclusion comes more and more people!
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| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 25 2010 : 10:35AM A "gay award" or "gay film festival" is already saying that films with gay themes are "different" than other films and must be categorized separately. Gay pride parades are based on the idea that gays are "different but equal." Gay bars and clubs are far less welcoming for anyone who's not part of the gay mainstream than "straight" bars and clubs are to people who are gay. Gays tend to congregate in "gay ghettos," an action of their choice, which inadvertently segregates them from the rest of the community at large. Don't tell me that the above things aren't the result of self imposed isolation and differentiation on the part of gays. But here we come to a bigger issue: the fact is, most people who engage in homosexual sex don't want any part of "gay culture." They don't want to be singled out as homosexual, and therefore part of a "gay community." They're just ordinary people who don't parade their sexuality on their sleeve and make a point to tell the whole world of their sexual preferences and then complain when they, in turn, aren't accepted by most of the world. I have plenty of homosexual friends who wouldn't be caught dead in a gay bar or pride parade, not because they don't approve of their existence, but because they don't feel a need to become part of a stereotype which, sadly enough, is what most gay people are. What I'm sick of, and sorry that this has nothing to do with movies, is the "gay mainstream" trying to say that all people who are homosexuals want the same things and think the same way. I'm sick of this phony sense of "community" that dictates that if a man has sex with another man or a woman has sex with another woman, they must agree with all the socially conservative crap being spewed out by supposed pro-gay lobbyists. I'm sick of my homosexual friends being lumped in with pansies and fairies and assumed to frequent nothing but gay bars, simply because that's the image the "gay mainstream" has manifested for itself and shoved down the throat of everyone else. But what I'm most tired of is the hypocritical heteronormalization of homosexuality being perpetrated by a small, though very vocal sect of gays. [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 25 2010 : 12:19PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Dec 25 2010 : 2:23PM And really, there's already 100 categories for just staight porn, why bog down the show even further with 25 categories for gay porn? Even if they did, people would complain about the placement of the categories. [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 25 2010 : 3:58PM [Link] |
| kvitka Member 35 Posts 12/10 | Posted - Dec 25 2010 : 3:59PM I already wrote, but specially for you I can repeat: "Film festivals in Berlin, Venice and Cannes also have gay-awards. Probably some spectators dont want this. But ceremonies pass in frameworks of one festival and under ONE BRAND. Maybe in different days." [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Dec 25 2010 : 6:51PM [Link] |
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