I think linking to 'official' clips that's generated by the industry (rather than just uploaded by members of the public, who are presumably just stealing content) seems okay to me.

[Link]

We're hoping to implement policies that are easy to automate.

Someone recommended in a private message that we allow links to PornHubPremium.com and not to PornHub.com under the assumption that the premium site is compensating the producers for the content there.

[Link]

My concern (as someone with very limited experience with Porn Hub) is that it won't be easy to discern between what is 'safe' and what isn't. But that's above my pay grade...

Part of me says 'stick to your principles.' An analogy is something being legalized (gambling, alcohol, cannabis) and the former 'outlaws' are rewarded by simply being allowed to move into the legitimate sphere.

But... this does seem to be a legitimate place for people and companies to post.

Apologies for this non-answer to your question. I guess the simplest thing for me to contribute is that I'll follow the rules, though I'm not sure I'll be posting Porn Hub links at any time.

[Link]

It's really messy to allow regular Porn Hub for the reasons you stated.

[Link]

Edited by - AngryPirate on 2/21/2019 4:56:23 PM

[Link]

But there's a but ,to continue our way so far wouldn't be really fair to those performers who actually distribute their stuff through it or promote it through it , if their content can't be promoted or even talked about we would be doing the very contrary the rule was meant to, it'll be damaging the performers instead of protecting them.

I also understand how difficult would be to write a rule allowing something but not really or even forbidding something but not really.

How can you select the content through a rule? how can we understand what's good from what's not? How can we protect or report those with malicious intent faking ignorance or misunderstanding to actually make available illegal content from those genuinely at loss?

Edited by - LCF on 2/21/2019 5:01:25 PM

[Link]

They use a few different icons on the video pages to indicate the kind of video. That's how members posting here would know if it's legit. A sample:

[Link]

1-Is there any chance that ADT can get in legal trouble if they allow links to any PH content?

If the answer is a yes then I think you should avoid it the same way that we avoid talking about prostitution.

2-Will allowing people to link PH content seriously increase the amount of moderating that each moderator has to do?

If the answer is yes, then is every moderator ready for the increase in work load and are they oaaky with it.

3-Will there be any financial return for ADT if you allow PH links?

If the answer is yes, then I know some will say that you guys are just looking to make money by allowing links to PH content but even if that is true then I certainly don't have a problem with that because ADT needs money to function and many of the old sources are starting to dry up(if they already haven't) and you need to find other sources. It's also very important to point out that even if we all believe that Tube Sites are the vilest of things. They are a reality that we can no longer brush over or discard because they aren't going away.

I have no problem with allowing links to PH content but I would much prefer that it only be used in cases where the poster is looking for the source material so that he/she can join/buy it.

[Link]

The whole idea of maybe allowing links to PornHub is a response to PR reps attempting to link to legitimate content on PornHub for their clients. That's when I noticed that there's actually a legit use for PornHub. I had no idea it was anything more than the most popular outlet for stolen content.

[Link]

That doesn't mean you have to help perpetuate any of that.

Anyway, my opinion is, as much as I don't like Pornhub in general, there's more than enough legitimately posted content on the site that allowing links to it (especially if you can ensure that they were posted by verified accounts) should be allowed. I'm actually against "where can I find this content legitimately" links to videos, since most of the time it'll be used to find more illegitimate content than to actually direct someone to pay for what they just watched. Also, there's tons of other places online you can do that (including in the comments section on the videos), so this place doesn't need to be another place for that.

[Link]

----Dread's Twitter----

[Link]

However, I assume your quarrel is actually with those who distribute content they don't have copyright for outside of the paywall it was intended to remain it and thus deny income to the rights holder when others download that content without paying those within the paywall.

There's a distinct different between viewing free content and viewing pirated/illegally distributed content. You probably shouldn't conflate the two.

[Link]

Speaking of which, PH's tech support denied my API addition request. So at the moment I don't have a way to automate checking which videos are uploaded by content providers and which are uploaded by Joe Anonymous user. But I'm trying a different approach, we'll see if it works.

I've pretty much decided that we won't allow forum links to PH if there's no automated means of verifying the source material. I think if content producers that promote their stuff on PornHub were to contact them and insist that their videos are verifiable via the API it would be beneficial to everyone. (producers, Pornhub and affiliates promoting content on PH)

[Link]

However; as a reader this site can't have it both ways, so it has to be all or nothing.

What do I mean by that? All along we get bombarded ad nauseum about how tube sites/piracy are killing the industry, they're stealing content/taking money from producers, etc. Then on the other hand, we have shows like the Porn Hub awards and suddenly people who complain about piracy and tube sites are up on stage embracing the concept. (Yes I know they're getting paid and I'm speaking in broad strokes and not singling out anyone in particular)

So, what's it going to be? If you go with them, are you going to eliminate all negative talk about tube sites, or are you going to be pro Porn Hub and anti tube sites who aren't sponsors? The same with participants. Are you going to allow performers to post on the site who are anti tubers because they didn't get invited to the Hub awards and complain about piracy and how sites are stealing from them? Or are some of the more heavy handed moderators going to edit/censor them with the same distain and snippiness they show regular posters?

Then also, are they going to be paying more to offset the potential loss of other sponsors? I'm sure if they become your #1 sponsor and I don't see why they wouldn't as I know (if I were an sponsor) that I'd probably leave if it were in direct conflict with my interests. Now all of a sudden they are paying you X, and you've lost 10 other anti Hub sponsors, but they are your main source of income. What about creative control? What happens when they want some control over site content, editorial direction, and so on. Say they just signed James Deen or Stills By Alan (gotta change that name) to some sort of deal. Are you going to eliminate all negative talk about them and their alleged behavior and only promote their new project?

IMHO, these are the type of questions that you'll also have to decide on as you ponder the idea of Porn Hub and ones you have to answer also. Not to me, but to your business model. Again, your site, your call, and good luck deciding.

They only question I'm actually looking for an answer to is: Drew, what is it about Butters? Is it his sweet nature, or is it his secret identity Professor Chaos? (MUAH HA HA HA HA!)

[Link]

And just to make something very clear: PornHub is not a sponsor of this site and we do not anticipate PH ever becoming a sponsor. This decision and discussion is not financially driven and we've never represented it as such. Suggested hypotheticals about eliminating talk about X, Y or Z is a huge leap of the imagination.

PornHub is a legitimate content distribution platform for some content providers. We are exploring ideas for enabling those providers, their PR companies and their fans to promote such content in the ADT forum. That's what we're talking about allowing, nothing more.

[Link]

It seems there is a difference between "Verified Members" and a "Videos of Verified Member". We're interested in the latter. It seems PH has some data about each individual video that they use to generate an icon along with the video title. If we could get this info via an API call I think it would maybe help distinguish legitimate content vs something else. Examples of videos that would be OK in the system I'm thinking of. I haven't done much research to see if this is a foolproof mechanism or not.

[Link]

The blue check mark just means a verified member. Anyone can get this by submitting a picture of him or herself holding a piece of paper with their user name and Pornhub written on it.

The issue is there doesn't seem to be an icon for the model payment program participants that is what the actual stars who self produce content for Pornhub nor is there a badge for official Pornhub productions.

[Link]

Edited by - Drew Black on 2/25/2019 6:33:13 PM

[Link]

Besides, the mechanics of accurately determining such content is difficult if not impossible. I am a developer by trade, this is not an easy problem.

[Link]

Joe Anonymous User could upload something that's completely legal but he didn't create it. We wouldn't want to link to Joe's video. The goal is to allow links to videos that were uploaded by the content creator to support their efforts.

[Link]