(Referring to Ivy Sherwood there.) You know, it may be that being black prevented her working more, which then caused her availability to be erratic. If you're not getting a lot of shoots, you've gotta find other ways to make a living, which means you aren't available to shoot all the time. As for her switching more than once between b/g and g/g only, that could also be her trying to get herself discovered by different 'eyes' in the industry. Same with changing the spelling of her name. Often people will say things like "yeah well such-and-such didn't stick around long enough in porn for her to get noticed". But often her leaving quickly is a result of her not getting noticed. Many new (white and Asian) girls get a shit ton of bookings when they first start. You'll hear new girls (1-2 months in) in interviews talking about how they're booked every single day, sometimes twice a day. It doesn't stay like that forever, even for the biggest names. Over time the bookings go down, not up. If a girl (black or otherwise) comes in and doesn't get a ton of bookings from the outset, she may get the message early that those bookings are not going to become more frequent later, and so she realizes she's not going to be able to pay the bills, and poof! she's gone. What I'm saying is that so often we hear "black girls aren't making it because they're not sticking around long enough and they're not freaky enough". Well, follow the career path of the majority of new starlets: they're not freaky at the start, but they work an awful lot. So if the black girls don't get a lot of offers, they're not going to get the chance to get freaky before they go find another job.
I didn't meant erratic as in choices but if a performer, any performer announces on twitter she is going to do G/G only no director who does B/G will hire her, if she does B/G all the same and that one director is told she doesn't do that . well ... This isn't related to being booked less or a lot whoever you are you have to be consistent , that she's not available due to other schedules or anything is one thing , to be available for other things only is another. Of course I agree about her being underbooked , but this is not unusual for other stars too Angelina Chung hasn't this many scenes more than Ivy , same for Meiko Askara ,white Jodi Taylor has been almost invisible for a year or even more lucky her Spiegler got her now Mattie Borders/Jessie Parker is a wonderful performer almost unknown Alina Li was a peculiar phenomenon her enthusiasm and that she was with Spiegler from the beginning helped her a lot Other asians such as Cindy Starfall aren't booked much more than Ivy
[/quote] Leilani and Rihanna did leave but they would probably come back if the money is right. My point is the industry should pay them more if it will keep them around. Like it would worth paying Misty Stone to do anal or to get Jade Aspen, Ivy Sherwood, Jezabel Vessir to work more. [/quote] i doubt we'll see Lelani back since shes now a full-time youth minister(along with her new husband).. as for Rihanna she living it up in Dubai with her rich(sheik?) boyfriend
^ Rihanna Rimes looks [mod edit: comment removed. See the ADT forum etiquette, 3rd paragraph.] now. Lip fillers, over the top boob and a butt job. http://picconn.blogspot.com/2014/01/popular-rihanna-rimes-undergoes.html Edited by - killbillvol69 on 7/21/2014 11:44:43 PM
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Leilani is a youth minister? At a church? I know one of the tenets of the Christian faith is not judging others for their past, but I do have to wonder whether or not they know that she was a pornstar. And if they don't know, what will be the reaction of the kids to whom she ministers when they go to a porn site and see her on there? As for Rihanna, her sugar da... I mean... boyfriend looks white in the pic. So he's probably just a rich westerner, not a sheik.
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Posted - Jul 22 2014 : 12:20AM
^If Leilani's out as an ex-pornstar at her church, I think we can assume that most men, every boy, and quite a few women and girls in her congregation have looked up, will look up, or are regularly watching, her scenes. It would definitely make for an uncomfortable situation for her and her husband.
Any church or other religious congregation that would make Leilani or any other person feel "uncomfortable" about their past is a church or a religion that is not genuine and is not worth a bucket of spit. I hope she's holding her head high and going about enjoying her new life with her new husband, serving her new faith with joy but without bitterness or hypocrisy against those of us who think her past was was nothing to be ashamed about to begin with. The people who need to be made to feel "uncomfortable" are the religious people who publicly condemn others for doing the very things they privately enjoy---like porn, for instance. If I was Leilani's husband, I wish a muthafucker would try to say something slick about my wife.
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^Obviously, not everyone loves porn and pornstars as much as you do. Women who have worked in porn are socially ostracized to a large extent, which is why most of them try to hide it when they leave, if possible. I imagine this would be especially true in a religious organization in which morality is the main focus. I don't know whether or not Leilani is open about her past in her current church position. Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. It can work to her benefit either way. If she's open about it, she can use it as a testimony of the kind of life she used to live before she found salvation. People who used to be drug pushers, addicts, prostitutes, adulterers, and everything else do this all the time as a way of preaching about their lives became better through faith. On the other hand, she may choose to keep her past private. The risk of doing that, however, is possibly being exposed when someone finds out. Since Leilani was a popular pornstar with quite a few scenes, that wouldn't be hard for someone to do. That's why I was just curious as to whether she's open about it or not.
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^^I'm not necessarily saying that the church congregation collectively or even the individual church members would consciously decide to make her feel uncomfortable, but it seems to me that once church members look up her scenes stares and whispers will inevitably follow.
I totally get what you both are saying, "Realtip" and MissPornUSA. I'm just saying ostracizing someone for doing porn or being a sex worker is bullshit. What real harm do they do in the world? Contrast that with the religious people who lead double-lives and are exploiting men, women, and children on a regular basis whom they are supposed to be helping. I think a righteous God would take far greater exception to people using his name to exploit others for sex, money, and power than someone openly performing sex for pay, to make a living. Does that mean every religious person is a scumbag and every person in porn is virtuous? No. There are religious people who do great work and bring great honor to their faith. But, we have to acknowledge that their is a great deal of sexism in most religions which allows men to get a pass for being sexually promiscuous while heaping condemnation on women do the same. In fact, I seem to recall reading about an ancient man from Nazareth who constantly pissed pious people off because he protected and kept company with prostitutes, while condemning religious leaders. So, yes, I enjoy porn and I love all people, including pornstars, (like people say God does) who have done me no wrong. And, if you had a young kid and he or she got lost somehow, who would you rather find them today, a clergyman or a female prostitute? Well, I can tell you I did run away from home once, as a 9 year-old kid, and I am very thankful for the prostitute who bought me a burger and hot chocolate at White Castles, talked to me, then walked me all the way home, and hid herself while she watched me go inside. I never saw her again, don't remember her name, and don't know what were the implications of her leaving her "work" to spend two hours with me; but she'll always be my angel and saint. And that's my testimony. That's all for me on religion.
Update on something from the last page, Cherry Hilson definitely hasn't quit. She shot for Adriano again today.
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^Brazzers just released its first scene with Anya Ivy and Keiran Lee. Last month, she said she was scheduled to shoot two more scenes with them this month. I have not heard any other updates on it since then, but it would be great if they do release more scenes with her. As far as I know, BangBros is the only company that has shot Jezabel in full B/G scenes. Since she left L.A. soon thereafter and went back home (she doesn't live in California), I don't think she has shot B/G for anybody else, but I could be wrong.
Yes!!! @FredGSanfordXXX Over 30,000 served daily, bitches! Edited by - fred g. sanford on 7/28/2014 6:37:35 PM
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Black girls aren't dirty enough, simple as, but the few who are only do like 2 or 3 scenes then disappear.. FOREVER, I'm always on the look out for a nasty black chick but I can never find any.
That's been true in general but there is a correctable reasons for it. 1) Black girls tend to be less nasty because they tend not to last too long enough in the industry to become nastier over time . 2) Black girls don't last too long in the industry because there is not enough demand for them, so they don't get enough work to last. 3) The reason there is not enough demand for Black girls is not about attraction, its about marketing. Now this is where I piss Black people off, but the truth is that Black people don't really buy porn. We watch it, but don't buy it. Whites and Asians buy porn! But I don't accept the stereotype that White and Asian guys aren't into Black girls. White and Asian guys span the globe to buy black pussy. Also, I never forget traveling around "white" America and discovering that so many White guys loved to watch "Soul Train". The show actually lasted for 35 years because of a strong white male following, not black. The problem in Porn is that 99% of content and movies with black girls do not cater to the fantasies White and Asian men have about black girls. Instead black girls are largely used interchangeably with non-black girls (even though the sexual fantasies are totally different) or they are shot in a way that appeals to Black guys, who are doing more bootlegging than buying. Porn studios need to scrap marketing black girls to Blacks and focus on Whites and Asians. What do White and Asian men fantasize about black girls? They like black girls to dance, shake, and be sassy then be taught a lesson. They like to fantasize about conquering black girls and having them submit to them. They also like black girls to be dominant divas and control the man like a slave or sub-trick. Folks complain about "Ghetto Gaggers" and "Cumbang" but both sites are tapping into powerful fantasies of non-Black guys about Black girls. Truth be told, a lot of Black girls have fantasies about being gangbanged by white guys. Basically scenes with black girls should look like the "Single Ladies" music video or an episode of the "Real Housewives of Atlanta" that ends in a gangbang of white guys. White and Asian guys need to stop liking Black girls secretly and be vocal about what they want to see without being afraid of Black outrage. It's porn afterall, not reality. If you want to see "12 Years A Slave Hoe" don't be afraid to make it happen. Grow a pair, guys! Edited by - fred g. sanford on 7/30/2014 7:37:44 PM
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Posted - Jul 31 2014 : 6:03PM
One problem is producers seem to want Black women to conform to them which drives them away and kills the industry in the process. The choice is meet them halfway or start sending out resumes because a all white industry does not sell and will not last. It is starting to even look outdated. Pair Black women with Black men more and stop asking them to do the outlandish acts.
I'm a white guy and love ethnic women; always have always will Asians, Latinas, Black..mixed, everything. Longtime fan of seeing gorgeous black women perform.
Well guys....it's not looking good right now. Case in point, Evil Angel's website currently has 22 upcoming releases where the cast is listed---0 have Black girls. Zero! Now, I'm not saying Evil Angel is a racist company, not at all. There are Black guys in some of these movies and even a black director of one--Lexington Steele. But 0 Black female performers were hired for 22 films that average 4-5 female performers each and will be released between August 6th and September 3, 2014. A major studio like Evil Angel hired ZERO black girls out of nearly 100 female casting roles--movies with themes about big tits, oral sex, lesbian sex, domination, anal sex, ass worship, etc. Not a single fuck was given about hiring Black women. I'm sorry but that's terrible and a real insult to Black female performers! White and Asian guys who like Black women....you should be ashamed of yourselves! Your silence is being heard loud and clear by the industry.
Calm down man they do hire Black women, Mike Adriano does often , has an entire series devoted to black performers (Black Addiction) Lexington Steele recently released Black Panther (which I own BTW) Dana Vespoli hires any kind of women and works for other companies with entire titles devoted to black females. Marie Luv is unavailable until September , Megan Vaughn just retired, Skin Diamond is very present. It is just a coincidence man
You do recognize that very few of these titles you are complaining about were made by Evil Angel, correct? The directors own their own work and Evil Angel distributes the movies. Evil Angel to the best of my knowledge doesn't handle hiring or anything other than distribution for the directors they distribute. They only handle hiring for their own titles, like Voracious.
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Posted - Aug 4 2014 : 1:01PM
Don't expect the old studios to rush into hiring Black actresses. They don't want to be at the mercy of the market they want to control what is bought and sold. It is part of a larger trend in business which is failing badly. Besides Black women have more options now some make more doing cams but they can make even more with a few titles under their belt. They are part of the next phase in porn its just a matter of time before someone connects the dots and when they do the industry will never be the same.
I'm talking about a trend in business of not listening to the consumer. It is not just one porn company. Things are slowly changing now comics for instance are including more women and minorities, so is television porn is still behind the curve.
Yes Flash, I do recognize that. I also recognize that distributors are far more powerful than the directors, both in Porn and mainstream filmmaking. Evil Angel is probably the most powerful gonzo studio in the business, so to suggest that they do not have any control over the content of the films they distribute is absurd. Evil Angel wields tremendous power and influence and they regularly drop directors when they choose. Therefore, yes, I do believe if Evil Angel said to their directors, "Hey, it'd be nice to see more black girls in the content"; I doubt it would fall upon deaf ears. IMHO, old sport.C'mon LCF, you built a straw man there, lol. I never said Evil Angel directors never hire black girls. I merely pointed out the fact that all 22 of their upcoming releases will have ZERO black girls in the cast. That's not a coincidence. That, at best, is a serious oversight and I think it needs to be identified and rectified. There are more black girls available than Marie Luv, Megan Vaughn, and Skin Diamond if those three are not. There's a failure to recognize the absence of black girls in these casts. Again, 22 consecutive upcoming releases, nearly 100 female roles cast by multiple directors, and not a single black girl. I'm sorry but the folks over at Evil Angel (and I'm sure they're good folks) should recognize that as a problem. That's all I'm saying. Edited by - fred g. sanford on 8/4/2014 8:24:07 PM
Well for some positive news on this front Dogfart is gonna be launching a new black girl focused site. http://www.wefuckblackgirls.com/tour/ Hadn't really heard of Nikki Ford before but going by that preview she looks to have some potential, like she has some nastiness to her.
Perhaps they are listening to consumers in the way that counts the most...consumer dollars. A few people can get on a messageboard saying they want something and convince themselves they are in tune with what people want but the reality is those studios are in the business to make money and porn has never been shy about jumping on the band wagon of a successful thing and running with it. Just like they did with IR, anal, big butt, big boobs, parodies, etc...I find it hard to believe that people producing porn wake up in the morning with a plot to not give consumers black females at the expense of making money.
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Posted - Aug 4 2014 : 10:21PM
^ ^ About damn time that they got that site up and running. LOL, okay Fred...right, it's all our fault. In any case, I have requested multiple times on ADT and surveys that my favorite studio, HardX, start shooting not just black girls (which they haven't yet), but also Asian girls and Latinas. See, if you ask me, it's not just a matter of porn producers not featuring black girls enough, it also seems that Asian girls and Latinas are also sorely underutilized in today's porn. Maybe I'm just not lookin' in the right places, but nowadays it just seems that there's much less "ethnic porn" out there compared to, say, a decade ago when studios like Red Light District Video were consistently cranking out great ethnic titles. I don't know if porn producers discovered that these kinds of movies don't sell well or what, but with the continued "browning of America" (as the liberal media has referred to it), you'd think that we'd be seeing more black/Asian/Latin girls in porn today instead of less.
Edited by - Mass Facialties on 8/4/2014 10:21:52 PM
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Posted - Aug 4 2014 : 11:09PM
As do I.
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You are not suppose to be able to believe it. Who would believe a all white industry would survive in today's world but yet you have a basically all white porn industry and it is not working. That is not the market that is a few individual trying to control the market.
^ What are the latest title you bought? There are on this very board some guys who are very active on demanding IR scenes , some of them are also very active in establishing who is black and who is not. none of them gives a flying shit to sustain any black female performer , quite the contrary some complain about how "tamed" many of them are (no more than many whites BTW and it's fine with me) and boring their scenes those who are really wild like Skin Diamond or Anya Ivy aren't considered black. (I'm not sure all these guys are black though , since I don't care I never asked) Few of us are actually sustaining the market for black girls , I am one of them. I'm also one of the very few here who took notice of a black female director , who is around for over ten years and is also good , possibly not as consistent as Mason , but she doesn't have the same means, it's Diana Devoe , I'm buying her stuff since forever I think. How many movies of her did you watch at? How many do you have? Also if people as you said really wants black girls what's stopping them from buying some of their stuff ? Do they have a worm on their PCs preventing them from buying? Do they choose differently at gun point?
I was waiting for this for months , thank you , and I can see good male talents in there except a couple I don't like, but I can live with that Also there are some stars I don't know and i could see Ivy Sherwood (YESSS!) Thanks guys BTW I was one of those demanding for this on their thread I have no choice but to renew my membership,hope they avoid the racial crap (I didn't know until recently that to call a white cracker is almost as bad as calling a black nigger)
Why don't you start backing up your claims with numbers. Go get the number of black women who try out for adult movies, the number of those black women who try out who get a few titles, and the number of those black women who get many titles. Now, go get the number of white women who try out for adult movies, the number of those white women who try out who get a few titles, and the number of those white women who get many titles. Take both of these data sets to create the percentage of black women, from the ones who try out, and find out the percentage that get a few titles and the percentage that get many titles and the same for the white women. Then share the data so we can see the actual percentages.
So what exactly is the endgame to your theory? If people in the porn biz are purposely depriving consumers of black female performers, in the end what's in it for them? If they're going to the trouble of keeping black women down, one would think there's a benefit in it for them. What is it? Surely it must be something big if they're willing to purposely miss out on profits from those movies to keep up this agenda.
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Posted - Aug 6 2014 : 1:40PM
I was in the porn bookstore business owned shops from Mo to Co and watched the industry change through the years. Point is I am not guessing or making outside observations when I comment on the subject.
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Posted - Aug 6 2014 : 3:29PM
Dogfart has their new site for black female porn stars out
Great. So what's the answer to my question? If there are people in the porn biz with the agenda you mention of purposely not giving consumers what they want and/or keeping black female performers down or whatever, what's in it for them? What the benefit of doing so? Why is that so important that they'll willing to lose money to do so? And the other question is how do they get the rest of the porn biz to go along with it?
Nikki Ford = Sexual Chocolate! Me like her! And check out the two bad-ass redbones below! Black girls are like Pussy "Baskin Robbins--whatever flavor you like, muthafucka! Harley Dean Teanna Trump
I bought a one-year subscription to DogFart’s new “WeFuckBlackgirls” site because a) I love black girls and want to see them succeed in the business; b) I want to support DogFart for employing black girls and giving them several opportunities among their network of sites; and c) I want to support black girl content financially because that’s the bottom-line as to whether we'll see more of it or not. The “WeFuckBlackgirls” site just opened so I’m writing this review knowing that the site is in its infancy. However porn sites can die in their infancy if they’re not done properly. I’ll start with what DogFart has gotten right, thus far. The girls all look hot and are made-up well. Fans can see superstars like Marie Luv and Skin Diamond along with newcomers like Adriana Malao and Ivy Sherwood. The white guys have all been well-hung and have gotten good wood. Pro’s like Erik Everhard and Mr. Pete have been prominent. The sets are well lit and are done in high resolution. All content can be downloaded by the subscribers in a variety of formats and resolutions, including 1080 HD. But let’s face it; we want to see black girls get fucked, right! That’s where things need to improve. First of all, any site that focuses on black girl/white guy sex has to understand the psychology of the genre. Black girls and white guys are one of the least prominent of interracial relationships. They don’t hookup nearly as often as black guys and women of other “races”. So, there’s a great deal of secret curiosity and desire between black girls and white guys. That’s a good thing that should be explored. Next you have to understand that black girls mostly tend to objectify white guys as naughty trysts to perform before they die—so when they hookup with a white boy they want to get very freaky and nasty to add to the excitement of breaking a taboo. That means they white guy needs to be dominant and understand that, in her mind, he’s the “white god” and object of her desires and she’s there to please and impress him. She wants to audition for his acceptance of her as being “good enough” for white guys to fuck her. (To be accepted by a white guy sexually is an extremely powerful and exciting gratification for many black girls—trust me.) So the girls knows she’s there to be his “black whore” and that’s why she came. Get it? What Dogfart’s “WeFuckBlackgirls” site is, currently, is a collection of black girls being fucked as if white guys see them as interchangeable with white girls. Wrong! The greatness of interracial sex is the adventure! “WeFuckBlackgirls” should look like a sexual safari (pun intended) for the viewer. There should be strong “race-play” themes both in the dialogue like with “Ghetto Gaggers” and visually like with “CumBang”; but with greater emphasis on great penetration sex—an area where the aforementioned sites are very lacking. I’ve watched about six scenes at “WeFuckBlackgirls” and none of them totally sucked, but all, but one, lacked the intensity you expect in interracial sex. The performers are supposed to be doing something naughty and forbidden in their communities, so the sex should be frantic, passionate, nasty, loud, lubricious, and intense. The scenes should end with the girl and guys (all the scenes thus far have been threesomes—which is fine) left panting in a moist confluence of sweat, saliva, and cum. From what I've seen thus far, the girls look like they could take a quick wet-wipe bath and go onto the next trick. That’s the wrong vibe for this genre. It shouldn’t feel like we watched a trick/hoe encounter on film. It should be like, “Dude, this smoking hot black chick came over and let us treat her like a total slut and she loved it. She’s got a black boyfriend and everything but she secretly loves white guys. If you saw her you wouldn't believe she’s so nasty! I mean black guys would kill to wife her up, but she’s our little black whore!” The closes scene to that was with Adriana Malao along with Erik Evehard and Mr. Pete. The scene opened with Adriana and Erik deep kissing in a hallway (the only scene that had any real kissing) and then frantically searching for a place to fuck (like my college days…lol). They end up in a bathroom where Mr. Pete was pissing and he joins in. They fuck Adriana in a stall, on the toilet, on a turned-over garbage can (This position went on to long and you can see Adriana struggling with the hard plastic from the garbage can digging into her skin. Why do this to performers?), and finished on the tile floor (should've moved to a bed or padded surface so the performers could be comfortable). Hot scene, DogFart! We need more of that! I'll finish with a bit of housekeeping. Too many scenes take place in an office/living room type set and they fuck on this shallow sinking couch or a sectional footrest. You can see the poor girls trying to maintain their balance and the guys trying to stay open for the camera while trying to make it look good. Why do that to performers? Use a set with a large bed or a matted-room so the performers can focus on the fucking rather their balance. There should also be lots of up and over shots of white cock slamming into a wet black pussy. That’s what Swirl Lovers talk about, seeing “that contrast of colors”. There’s been zero up and over, thus far. Again, I like that Dogfart is doing the “WeFuckBlackgirls” site and I want it to succeed! They just need to increase the “race-play”, foreplay (very little thus far…I’m talking zero or only seconds of pussy eating, tit sucking, kissing), and up and over nasty fucking. Let’s get these black girls wet and in a comfortable setting to get the living shit fucked out of them! DogFart would be surprised to see a good number of black female subscribers too if they're true to the psychology of the genre. Here’s looking to “WeFuckBlackgirls” being a huge success for many years to come! p.s. DogFart has a section where subscriber's can review each scene and rate it. I was able to do this for an Ivy Sherwood scene but none all of proceeding reviews immediately disappeared. Don't know if this was a site glitch or an overzealous webmaster. Edited by - fred g. sanford on 8/9/2014 11:47:39 AM Edited by - fred g. sanford on 8/9/2014 11:54:11 AM Edited by - fred g. sanford on 8/9/2014 12:03:48 PM
I can recommend New Sensations' BLACK BEAUTIES featuring DVD cover girl Skyler Nicole plus Chanell Heart, Adriana Malao and Ivy Sherwood. Bonus scenes with Jade Aspen and Alia Starr---tb
^Yes I already put the cover in Ivy Sherwood's thread , not yet available here possibly in September , apparently the main importer will stay closed until the end of August. Can't wait mainly for Ivy but Skylar Nicole deserves attention too , what a hottieSame here except for the yearly subscription, for the other things you said you'd better put it in Dogfart's new thread dedicated to the site here I believe they will like inputs and wee need them even though I prefer different things , but I'm European I have different views about Blacks , I really can't get all the racial issues many Americans have, of any race. But there are people in there who are actively trying to trash the site down with really idiotic comments and low votes , they almost destroyed Ivy Sherwood's scene because there was no anal.seriously? She's one of the most attractive girls in the Industry is still in her first year in the industry , and even less when she filmed that it was her first threesome with two guys , and instead of encouraging her you trash her because she doesn't do anal? Same for Nikki Ford , and that was her first scene I mean I never heard of her before, looks very promising , I don't know ,she has something
LOL, okay Fred...right, it's all our fault. 
