no one here is saying your 4k doesn't look good. point is it was better before. and compared to perfectgonzo, or legalporno, they can see the difference. the attitude of porn directors is really frustrating, they think they are always right and consumers are always wrong. Edited by - jeffandersonn on 8/5/2016 6:57:52 AM
Are you saying you tested your previous higher bit-rate/file sized 4K videos, against the current lower spec 4K? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, especially when they have been putting money in to the product, but I still stand with my honest opinion like many other members have here. Jules, can I ask you and other people in the office to please make a comparison on these scenes which I have saved: August Ames - Mandingo Massacre #9 (5.83gb/28,248kbps) vs Chloe Amour - Mandingo Massacre #9 (2.73gb/16,089kbps) Chloe's scene is shot outdoors but under cover. Both well lit with natural daylight. Keisha Grey - Black Owned #8 (6.00gb/29,588kpbs) vs Ryan Conner - Black Owned #8 (3.49gb/16,169kbps) The Keisha scene was shot in 60fps, in comparison to Ryan's 30fps. These two examples are scenes filmed for the same title up against each other, but released either side of the 4K change. There is a production difference between each scene, which I have noted in italics below each comparison, but I do not believe they are responsible for the drop in picture quality. Going full '4K enthusiast' mode... When comparing the scenes, make an extra effort to look carefully at the smaller details such as nipples, body hair and skin complexion (particularly in the face). The lower spec video presents these details with reduced sharpness and a more blurred/smudged representation. From an overall view, the higher spec videos have that 'wow-factor' and vibrancy in colour, where as, the lower spec videos lack such clarity and that solid colour. Before anyone wants to shoot me and other members down, we are most certainly not 'fapping' to pixels and bit-rates here! Two of the lower spec scenes I made reference to above feature the superstar; Chloe Amour and legendary performer; Ryan Conner. I assure you, I would much rather be enjoying their scenes in the highest quality I know it can be, rather than writing responses like this. You are right, Jules, in saying "it looks great", in regard to the current 4K videos. However, so do your 1080p videos. As I previously mentioned, no one is trashing your content. People have just become accustomed to the standard of 4K video you had been releasing on JulesJordan.com for over a year. Now it is just hard to accept a lower version of 4K, when we know it can, and once was a grade higher.
There's lots of variables here, the Chloe scene was shot with an entirely different camera, some are shot in 60p and some are shot in 30p and edited differently, some movies are shot in bright outdoors, some are shot dark (Jesse: Alpha Female), obviously something shot dark we try to increase the size. Also, I don't know what tv you have and what those settings are either? We have the most 4k downloads of anyone I think? We have to weigh bandwidth/file size/encode, in our eyes its all about the encode and compression. Of course we want to provide the best quality product that everyone can view, without going through the roof with bandwidth. Point being you can pixel peep all you want and look at bit rates, but when it comes down to it, even if you can't see blonde hairs on a girls nipple, it still looks amazing! Lets be reasonable here unless you want to count eyelashes on a girl you will be amazed, there is no "smudgy" pictures or artifacts this seems to be based on "sharpness" Also this whole discussion is based on viewers who are watching on 4k big screens I assume? Sorry guys, when I hear people say "Im boycotting Jules product/site until the bit rate is increased" is completely silly. I encourage people here that are members download and watch on their big screen tvs and draw your own conclusion.
I did acknowledge how scenes may have a different frame rate or be shot in different lighting in the examples I provided earlier, however, I've viewed scenes in pretty much identical locations with different bit-rates and noticed one still being superior over the other. In regard to my 4K TV settings, I just use a default set-up which has worked perfectly for former JulesJordan videos and many other sites which offer top quality 4K quality.This is probably the biggest sticking point for everyone in this debate. I'm assuming the actual changes to 4K videos was in order to reduce bandwidth, which I can understand from the studio's position, but surely a workaround could have been found. Other busy sites offering 4K are managing it. By saying; "provide the best quality product that everyone can view", this kind of frustrates me, depending on what context you meant it in. If it is about making 4K videos more accessible and attractive to more members, then I think that is just daft. A new audience may now be downloading the 4K videos on offer, but as I and others claim, this is no longer the true 4K quality we used to receive.Isn't that what 4K and constantly improving image qualities are supposed to do though? Keep pushing the boundaries further? Being able to see something impossibly small, that you would probably have never known was there before in a lower picture quality. The fact here that you are happy to sacrifice seeing those "blonde hairs", devalues the current 4K format altogether at JulesJordan and is evidence to suggest that even you have acknowledged the current 4K has dipped - not matter how small it may be. Of course, if I had never seen how good 4K porn could be from the likes of PerfectGonzo, LegalPorno, GirlsDoPorn and older JulesJordan videos, then I would be amazed by watching your latest 4K release. However, for me and a growing number of others, this is not our first time. We know the 4K format is capable of more and we don't want to settle for second best.I think the idea of this discussion was to list and discuss the sites online which were gradually starting to offer 4K content. As I've already mentioned, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, I am regrettably one of the "completely silly" people as I will continue to boycott JulesJordan.com. I admit myself, it is rather petty, but at the end of the day it is my money and I would rather spend it with another site which can offer true 4K quality that will show the full potential of my screen. On a separate note, all differences aside, your presence is very much valued here, Jules, and I do thank you for your communication with us.
Okay people, I think everyone has said what they need to about JJV and can move on now. If you aren't happy you don't have to subscribe, this thread is for sites with 4K content which JJV does have.
^That's what we are discussing though. There are sites out there that release video in a 4K resolution and brand it as such, where as it is nothing of the sort. Take NaughtyAmerica for example. I've seen better 1080p videos than their so called 4K quality. If it wasn't for such discussion, people could be spending their money on a product and not receiving the quality being advertised. It's just like looking up a review before making any new purchase. I think it's fair to say that a consumer would want to know if they weren't receiving as much for their money as they were previously. Customers should not being treated as fools with unlimited wallets.
What you are missing is you have said your piece on JJV and just keep going back at them. If you are trying to enlighten customers, at this point you are doing a disservice to yourself because you now come across as someone with a chip on their shoulder. You stated how you felt, they replied. Continuing to go after them seems like a vendetta.
I don't have a JJ subscription, so I'll just contribute what I think is the major problem with streaming these days, which is low bitrate and compression artifacts. The problem is not that the providers try to save money but that streaming is overtaking everything else to the point that you no longer have the option to 1) buy a Blu Ray or 2) download a high bitrate version. When these alternatives disappear, and everyone is assumed to be happy with streaming, quality does suffer. I have this problem with several providers, most notably Netflix. I have a big TV with 4K, but I prefer high bitrate Blu Ray over streamed 4K with tons of compression artifacts because of low bitrate. This topics is quite important, but it may not be most productively debated in the context of one single company.
Thats fine, Im just not fine with people portraying our quality to be low in nature, when our goal is to deliver the best quality content reasonably. I'm sorry but I don't think i've "insulted" anyone here on ADT
Jules, is there a reason why companies are recording in the full 4K cinema format? If it's one of those big RED expensive camera's then it's a waste of everyones time IMO. The current 4K standard for 99% of consumer TV's/Monitors is 3840 x 2160. When you guys and all the other companies film in the full 4K DCI format it leaves a ridiculous black bar on the tops and bottoms of the video. Why is that?
The talk about JJV began in this thread between members. It is only when Jules posted his response, that this turned into somewhat of a debate. Fair play to Jules, he keeps coming back and his responses provide further discussion points. We both share our own views and try to make one another see the situation from our own point of view. I don't see how that appears as a "vendetta".All I'll say for anyone new reading is; JJV's 4K is very good compared to much of the other rubbish that is available on the UHD market. However, it was once a little better and was right up there with the best studios offering 4K scenes, i.e. PerfectGonzo, LegalPorno.
Hi Jules. I enjoy your work and will always continue to do so. I don't think anyone here means to calls the quality of the content you post to low, but by halving the bitrate of your videos, you're essentially halving the quality. Bitrate is everything in video. I don't mean to be harsh, but it will come off that way; 16k is pretty poor for 4k video; that bitrate isn't far off good 1080p quality, in theory if you're going to have a low bitrate 4k video; you might as well not have it all because you can just upscale a high bitrate 1080p video and it won't look much different. 4k is more than just a resolution, for 4k to be 4k you need a high bitrate.
Compression is everything in video, you guys are only judging quality on a number, the way you compress it is whats important, if you look at the quality on a large tv its really incredible. And thanks for your very first post on adt on this topic ;) quote] TheFilth wrote:Hi Jules. I enjoy your work and will always continue to do so. I don't think anyone here means to calls the quality of the content you post to low, but by halving the bitrate of your videos, you're essentially halving the quality. Bitrate is everything in video. I don't mean to be harsh, but it will come off that way; 16k is pretty poor for 4k video; that bitrate isn't far off good 1080p quality, in theory if you're going to have a low bitrate 4k video; you might as well not have it all because you can just upscale a high bitrate 1080p video and it won't look much different. 4k is more than just a resolution, for 4k to be 4k you need a high bitrate.
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Imagine if you were still working at that brick & mortar store, Jules., Were the customers complaining about the lack of tissue and their shoes sticking to the floor in the peep show booths? If so, you know you can't make everyone happy and just try to do the best job you can. I like your content. I like the resolution quality of your content. I've got 6 TB of storage drive to fill with content. Some from films, some from low resolution video tape and now I can download HD quality content. Will 4K make much of a difference for this old man? Nope. Edited by - dogzcatcher on 8/9/2016 2:41:14 AM
I think it's licensed stuff, not exclusive, so the Wankz folks haven't had anything to do with it beyond buying it. For instance the two Esperanse scenes (1, 2) are almost certainly the same as the two most recent scenes with her at Private.com.
PornstarEmpire have 4K scenes, but their website is fucking atrocious. It's incredibly slow, and to make matters worse it's a stream only site. Basically no one is able to view their 4K scenes because their servers are so bad.
before these sites do 4k, please fix the damn stupid glare, whiteist picture. all pictures nowadays are either super red, white, or too colorful. we want natual, realistic color. stop making stupid picture like movie studios. now when i see vagina, i see unrealistic vagina. might as well as be fake. lol websites with stupid picture realitykings, vixen, tushy, blacked, mofos, naughtyamerica... and many more. look at abbywinters pictures. we want those movie quality that looks like real life.
^ I'm probably in the minority, but I don't really mind certain stylistic choices, even those that alter color/contrast etc. As long as it is done by someone skilled in film making. What I do mind is adding filters and blur and airbrushing that removes detail. The worst cases is crushing the brightness, adding sharpening that creates ugly outlines, and blurring (I'm guessing to make pores and body hair less visible but it royally screws up the picture) and I don't mind human imperfections in the first place. But please still do it all in 4k 60fps Edited by - JohnW on 8/20/2016 12:44:55 PM
What's up with porn shooting in 4K now? I understand it's better resolution but, if they keep this up my laptop and my DVD player will not handle that kind of resolution. I'm fine with 1080p HD. That's just me.
The Fidelity site have the best 4k quality but there videos are way to big it is like they just doing straight file conversion like the videos are shot in quicktime and converted straight to mp4 with no quality loss. I have seen a few of there scenes are 8gb+ screw that. Most sites are trying to keep there 4k scenes in the 4gb range I am ok with that not 6gb+. Only way I would download a 7gb to 12gb scene is if it were are 80 to 100 min gangbang or orgy with hot females in it. Edited by - DJboutit2 on 11/16/2016 11:58:21 PM
It's mostly a case of the sites offering 4K scenes with a video size of 2-4GB, such as Tiny4K etc, are not real 4K. In fact, there are actually better 1080p videos available than much of the fake 4K around on the web.
Heya, Well, I am not sure what people's opinion about porn directories would be, but I personally use them and I am pretty satisfied with what I get. I used many in my life, like mypornbookmarks and some others. In the end, I went with ThePornDude. It has reviews for every addition and it is the most comprehensive. At least in my opinion. For 4K content, they have the Top Premium Sites category. I mean, when I get my monthly wage, I go there for studio porn. Have fun, brothers! Edited by - Giaspoto on 11/24/2016 11:11:11 AM
I've been informed that the recent Lana Rhoades scene at JulesJordan.com was released with an average bit-rate of 25,000kbps for the 4K version - A vast improvement from what they have been using in past months. Can anyone confirm this? If so, is Jules Jordan reverting back to his higher bit-rates for 4K videos, or is this just a one off? Thanks for any help.
I like that more sites are shooting at 4k but there are some sites with really crappy quality 4k they are reencoding these video to save space original size 5.5gb to 6gb reencoded video is 3.5gb to 4gb S M H. Sites should drop videos min of 1080p 60fps 10k to 100k bitrate not 1080p videos that are 4k to 5k bit that are really 540p just stretched to 1080p I do not see how sites are still around dropping 480p videos like the GF sites 1080p 60fps video camera are decently priced under $1000 so there is no reason why sites can not do 1080p 60fps or better.
It seems he has finally realized he needs a higher bitrate to produce high quality 4k movies. The recent Keisha Grey / Marsha May scene from Anal Savages appears to have a 25kbps bitrate as well. If Jules starts to produce high quality 4k scenes again, I may rejoin.
I would gladly rejoin JulesJordan if the 4K quality continues to be up to its former standards. Apparently there are still scenes being released with significantly lower bit-rates though, so hopefully they are just old scenes being published before returning all scenes to proper 4K. Would appreciate any current JulesJordan members to keep us informed of how future 4K are in terms of quality and bit-rates. Thanks.
We do have proper 4K and shoot in proper 4K, I don't understand how you guys know my current bitrate, if you're not even members. I don't see any comparisons on who's 4k you think is better? Vawkes wrote: I've been informed that the recent Lana Rhoades scene at JulesJordan.com was released with an average bit-rate of 25,000kbps for the 4K version - A vast improvement from what they have been using in past months. Can anyone confirm this? If so, is Jules Jordan reverting back to his higher bit-rates for 4K videos, or is this just a one off? Thanks for any help. [/quote] It seems he has finally realized he needs a higher bitrate to produce high quality 4k movies. The recent Keisha Grey / Marsha May scene from Anal Savages appears to have a 25kbps bitrate as well. If Jules starts to produce high quality 4k scenes again, I may rejoin. [/quote] I would gladly rejoin JulesJordan if the 4K quality continues to be up to its former standards. Apparently there are still scenes being released with significantly lower bit-rates though, so hopefully they are just old scenes being published before returning all scenes to proper 4K. Would appreciate any current JulesJordan members to keep us informed of how future 4K are in terms of quality and bit-rates. Thanks. [/quote]
It seems he has finally realized he needs a higher bitrate to produce high quality 4k movies. The recent Keisha Grey / Marsha May scene from Anal Savages appears to have a 25kbps bitrate as well. If Jules starts to produce high quality 4k scenes again, I may rejoin.
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I would gladly rejoin JulesJordan if the 4K quality continues to be up to its former standards. Apparently there are still scenes being released with significantly lower bit-rates though, so hopefully they are just old scenes being published before returning all scenes to proper 4K. Would appreciate any current JulesJordan members to keep us informed of how future 4K are in terms of quality and bit-rates. Thanks.
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You have really serious understanding problem. In very same thread you were defend your lower bit rate videos, this peoples dont know your current bitrate, this is why they ask, they were your sites members in the past and canceled because you lowered quality on 4K videos. You sounds like a narcissist.
I speak to other members of your site, who have informed me of a change in the bit-rate to some recent releases? Can you confirm if you have raised the bit-rate for 4K videos again, Jules? Thanks for any help.
Any news of other porn sites releasing their content in real 4K quality? JulesJordan appears to have returned their quality to its former glory and Naughty America seem to have drastically improved their video quality.
On a 4K monitor right now, I think you've either got to have 20/20 vision or be extremely pedantic if you can tell the difference from 4K and a high quality 1080p. NaughtyAmerica are a good example. Their recent 4K stuff is still shot in the full 4K res rather than the standard UHD, but there's literally no difference between their 1080p vids or their newer 4K ones. To get that benefit you need to be watching on a TV far larger than any PC monitor, how many of you genuinely do that?
Honestly, I want porn sites to focus on shooting in 60fps rather than worrying about resolution. 1080p is sufficient to watch on most TVs and computers.
I agree but they dont care. 4k is a gimmick and these guys rush to be the first and now there's complaints. They didn't explore 1080p at 12 or 24 mbps neither 2k they just jumped into 4k. I have minidv tapes at 24mpbs and they show beautiful when connected to my tv. They haven't research how resolution, bitrate & sensor size go hand in hand. None of them tried shooting a $15,000 2/3 3mos broadcast camera with a $30,000 ultra wide angle zoom lens.
Such negativity! I don't see how any of it is helpful to the topic of sites which offer 4K. I can watch on either a 4K TV screen or on my 4K laptop. The trouble is, there are very few sites who even offer a decent quality of 1080p HD. Therefore, there is a gulf in quality between your standard HD porn video and a real 4K one, even if watched on a non-4K screen!
I dont have a 4K screen on my computer but on my 1080p 21.5'' screen , i can see difference between 4K and 1080p versions of same scene downloaded from Naughty America.
There are sites with proper nfo's stating resolution, bitrate, codec, duration, cast, release date, file size for just about every scene released from every site. Wake up. So people can tell if you change your encoding standards. Simple.
This video will explain why that happens. So even if you don't have a 4k screen it can still be worth downloading 4k scenes, assuming you can afford the storage space of course.
Posted - Aug 5 2016 : 4:01AM
