Steven French

Crazy me, if I would have had surgery on my head , I wouldn't have agreed to be in a movie where there was going to be punches thrown at it .

I'm not defending anyone here, I'm just saying this from how I see it. I even asked my wife about it (she read the post) and she agreed with my assessment. Ah well, what can you do?

Regardless, I wish both Steve and Alex Devine the best, I have nothing against either of them. Neither has done anything to me personally and this is "hear-say". This kind of reminds me of that "Erik Everhard raped Corina Davis/Taylor" thread....

Edited by - PL on 3/26/2006 11:02:07 AM

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EDIT I second loop in this everything must be written in that kind of movies before doing anything , any mistreatment must be punished hardly.

Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 3/26/2006 11:00:45 AM

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What if i found people starving for example: you want bread? then have a leg broken . You're not going away then you agree let me take this baseball bat now.

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do you walk away with nothing after what you have been through already ?

or try to deal with it to at least get paid?

it's a tough place to be...

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I remember seeing this guy with Jersey Jaxin in Cum Drippers #8 , and it was very obvious that Jersey didn't like him one bit. Jersey is one of my favorites, and this French guy ruined the scene.

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On the other hand i havent been in that situation so who really knows what i would do. It doesn't sit quite right with me though, that even though she agreed to go through with it, she was not enjoying it, and yet the ring never came off...compromise? just doesn't seem nice, but then you can't jail people for not being nice apparently.

oh well...i am off to find something less serious to read now !

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Also, as the Alex Devine post suggests, many female performers are afraid of walking off sets...they'll get labeled as "flakes," druggies, divas, etc. The rare exception is Janine who walked off the set of her (Vivid) shoot with Rocco, when he disrepected her--too rough sex and deliberately torn condom. Of course, soon afterwards, she and Vivid could not "reach agreement" on a new contract.

Also, I recall an instance about eight years ago when a performer (Rachel something) threatened to sue Anabolic because of the physical punching/beating she took on their set. The threat of a lawsuit "went away"--and so did the girl. She never worked in porn again.

Both incidents suggest the high price a female performer will pay for standing up for her rights NOT to be abused or get beat up on a porn set!

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Edited by - STEMCELL on 3/26/2006 12:55:43 PM

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That tells me she knew there was going to be physical sex. Is physical (rough) sex mistreatment? Depends on the girl and her limits I guess.

As for her walking out on the set... I agree with piercedpixie1. And I agree it's a tough call, but you ultimately make a decision - either I leave with my limits not passed OR stay and hope things don't go too much further so I can get my money.

Two of the most corruptive things is money and power. Porn is about both, some just handle all aspects better than other.

And for what it's worth, I agree with lukemason here, I would NEVER hit a woman in anger or what ever. Now if she liked to be slapped and choked in bed, well I don't see that as hitting.... Maybe I'm crazy, but I know I was brought up not to hit women and I don't - well not in that context

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Loads of other babes would back the babe and no doubt many guys would too within the industry.

Take a stand and kick this shite to fuck forever.
These guys set the standards for why porn has become more 'accepted' by many previously closed shop people.
What nobody needs is a bad advert like this.

Rape, whether real or fantasy, is unacceptable in terms of viewing content in most countries and there is very little difference between this shite and that.

Take some responsiblity and get this kind of 'material' to fuck.

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And to the people who said I was too critical of modern porn for being so rough and mysogynistc, well, you can guess my comment.

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My point was I'm no judge to deem things right and wrong. Are there some things right and wrong for me? Yes, but what's right for me isn't necessarily right for you and visa versa.

You need to lay off the condescending tone. Something you rarely do.

Pull yourself away from the "feelings" you have about violence (or for Alex), and the fact still remains she did it for the money. Hell she even admitted to having thoughts of walking out, but she didn't... Regardless, she's obviously not happy about the physical violence she went through, I wouldn't be either, but she got paid to do the scene. Now it's over.

"What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy" - RATM

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And Steven French needs some limbs broken.

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i know Steven, have worked several times with him, and never had a problem. very sweet guy.

i dont know Alex on the other hand...although i ve heard crazy stories about her being locked in a bathroom for half hour on set, doing drugs and being out of her mind.
i m not saying it s true- just what i heard, and we know how gossip goes sometimes.

i ve been, on a director's side,in a situation where the girl i was shooting went through a really strong scene, never complained during it, smiled and asked for more, and after the shoot it was a whole different story.

basically blamed me for not respecting her limits (hello, you know you can say stop when you dont like something?)

blamed me for letting her drink on set (when she showed up on my set at 9 am with an almost empty bottle of wine)

etc... so i m kind of weirded out by that story.

it d be interesting to ask the director what exactly happened.

sometimes girls tend to make up or exagerate stories. seen it more than a couple of times. fortunately, there s always the unedited original tape , and/or witnesses.

Edited by - melissalauren on 3/26/2006 9:37:47 PM

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And speaking of violence, to give you a small perspective, I have a 3 year old son. The boy has never had a hand laid on him, I don't believe in whipping. I think it's the pot calling the kettle black if I do that to teach him not to hit or to not do things I don't want him to...

Look, all I know is I deem what is right and wrong for me , not for you or anyone else, and I don't wish others to do it for me .

Just look at it this way, if the government takes away our porn and says it's obscene, do you think that's right of them to decide what is too obscene for you and me to watch? I don't.

P.S. Please, everyone remember, I'm not for or against anyone involved here. I'm just calling this like I see it.

"What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy" - RATM

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Seeing as how most of the power seems to reside with the producers/directors of porn and very little with the performers, I have to question how free one actually is to walk away in the middle of a shoot. Sure, if you don't give a fig where you're next meal is coming from anybody can quit their job. Reality tends to dictate a more compromising approach, though. I'm sure gritting one's teeth and bearing it is something most of us have done on the job at least once.

Having said that, I do take Melissa's point, as well as Quaze's, et al, that flakiness abounds in the jizz biz. What this suggests to me is that the more outré acts should be reserved for performers who are more of a known quantity.

PS - Of course, getting rid of the more unwholesome agents wouldn't be a bad thing either.

PPS - Personally, I think a donkey punch deserves a kick in the nuts. When those whacky producers step in front of the camera to let the gals retaliate in kind then I might be tempted to watch one of their "amusing" efforts.

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Having said that, I think it would be great if all the good looking talent would just stop working for these assholes. Then they would be forced to choose between filming obscure, ugly talent, or cleaning it up a bit. As long as these girls keep accepting the scenes (and the agents sending them), these guys will continue. At a minimum, they could ask for half up front (non-refundable) for showing up and starting the scene, and the other half at completion. If you think about it, there's an incentive for these sadistic pukes to turn it up towards the end and hope they'll walk out (I assume they own the footage and the release is signed).

I recently rented a Meatholes movie before I knew what it was about--I just rented it because it had Dascha in it. Then I find out this is an abusive series by some pencil dick, lisping asshole who hides behind a muffled voice. In addition to Dascha (who really didn't take much of his shit) it also had a couple of other girls I like--Deja Daire, Katie Rae, and Tiffany Minx. It was kind of like watching a train wreck. I wanted to watch it to see how bad he was, but I wasn't turned on at all--I just continued getting more and more pissed at the guy. A lot of his abuse was more mental than physical--he succeeded in making every girl cry but Dashca--he didn't get near her and I'm guessing she brought her own male talent (Dillon Day). In a way, I sort of lose desire for a girl who chooses to stoop to this stuff. I also recently viewed Courtney Simpson's Max Hardcore scene from a free link. I knew I didn't like Max's stuff, but as much as liked her, I had to see her only anal. With the exception of the 1st few minutes, the whole scene is disgusting. How could a star like her be so desperate that she would do a scene like that? There's a full 5 minutes of him pissing in her mouth, snot and puke running down her face, up her nose, in her hair. I hate to be judgmental, but I think people who get off to this are sick. It really lowered her appeal to me--I hope she made a lot of money off that scene.

So girls, next time you think you are that desperate that you need to do one of these scenes for these guys, go show up at a tittie bar and dance a few hours--you can probably make just as much money and increase your fan base more.

Edited by - ipop on 3/26/2006 11:29:39 PM

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I do enjoy some rough sex, but Donkey Punch is even too much for me. Just watching the trailer repulsed me.

On the other side of the coin, who in their right mind would sign on to do a movie called Donkey Punch?

Pushing the envelope may have finally reached it's end. Maybe we can go back to just making quality porn. Rough stuff included!

Edited by - Twizted6 on 3/27/2006 12:03:16 AM

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I just want to get a better idea of the whole thing..

Steve french sounds like he should be on the FBI's watch list...

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Reread her description of the scene. Continually punching her in the soft spot on her head with a metal ring while she's begging him to stop? & the "directors" become criminal accesories by not stopping this scene but standing there videotaping it like Chuck Haidl's idea of some really cool dudes? That situation could have quite easily become literal snuff porn, just like when Khan used to choke out the girls before he got scared off.

In this situation, "what's right for me isn't necessarily right for you" is not on any level a logical or even sane response. If I think it's okay to rape & dismember three-year-old children, or cheat people out of their life savings a la Charles Keating, & you don't, do our "opinions" carry equal moral value? Do we "agree to disagree," & do you let me continue my destructive actions?

BASED ON HER OWN DESCRIPTION -- not to mention the proof of the trailer & the words of those who seen this clever little gem of a video -- this is NOT "overly rough sex." It's hatred, plain & simple. & the so-called "directors" sat there, no doubt giggling, & let it happen. & now are trying to profit from it. What a cesspool porn has become in some quarters of the valley!

"She got paid to do the scene, now it's over"?

Where the hell do people like you come from, exactly?

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as for her drug habits (whether it's true or not) it's not irrelevent at all (most pornstars do drugs)and throwing this to the discussion was very ugly of u to say(i remember when someone in the other forum tried to say similar things about u - u and your fans -including me-didn't like it at all)

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"What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy" - RATM

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"Thank you all. I am the only one that I can really be mad at. The scene itself was ultimately a decision that I made."

If a guy hits me with his car while I'm crossing the road at a crosswalk, I can be pissed off at him. If he hits me with his car when I jump out from behind a bush and directly into the path of speeding car, all the while yelling "NOT IN THE FACE," Ummmmmm.....kinda hard to be pissed at HIM.

Edited by - Lubenluv on 3/27/2006 1:50:05 PM

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As for "where you come from," it was a rhetorical question, of course -- if you had anything resembling wit in your arsenal you might have said, for instance, "From Peoria!" or somesuch, but if indeed you'd like to hold forth on whatever trauma or neglect in your youth inspired this sociopathic strain of thought, please do entertain us ... i.e., did you torture small animals as a child? I'm sure it'll be as funny as a concussion!

By the way, did you notice that except for Melissa's gossip over Alex's purported ways -- & never listen to one porn girl when she talks about another's drug habits, especially when she's never even met the other -- that there isn't a single person in this thread that comes anywhere near your point of view? Which of course raises the obvious possibility that you're not a sociopath, but merely seeking attention by adopting an outrageous contrarian viewpoint ... Okay, I used to do that in the Seventh Grade, too! Cool, man!

As for anyone who pisses & moans over the government taking away their right to wank -- supporting this kind of indefensible shit is the finest leverage you could hand the Attorney General. Nobody in porn in their right mind would go "hand this in" to the authorities. Me, I'm speaking out within the community to say "This is too far." I leave the gross restoration of balance to Karma. It works.

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My issue isn't about who was right and who was wrong. It's about taking responsibility for our OWN actions, or lack thereof. Alex posted herself that she's to blame. I'm sure the guy doing the punching is to blame as well. But at the very worst, it's a 50/50 deal. Seems our societal values are too weak these days to even consider the concept of "shared blame." Someone has to be the bad guy...just not us right? All WE want to be is the "victim" in a losing scenario. Because victims are sooooo much more in vogue these days. Makes us "special" and all.

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CAN SOMEONE PLASE TELL ME WERE I CAN SEE THE FUCKIN TRAILER?!?!

Thank you

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Personally, however, this guy should not be working in porn because it doesn't sound like he knows the difference between fantasy and reality. Nobody should have to explain to a grown man that if she specifically asked him not to do a certain thing, it's a line that should not have been crossed. If nothing else, the director should have stepped in and stopped it.

This was not her fault and it's a cop out to blame her. This is the type of thing that can do serious damage to all porn because there are people who would like nothing better than to use this as an example of everything that's wrong with porn. In reality, there aren't many men who would actually enjoy this scene if they knew she was actually being abused against her wishes. She could have been seriously injured by this moron. It is just too easy to say she knew what she was getting herself into. If you read it, she specifically asked the guy to take it easy before the scene even started and he agreed (according to her). It all lays at his feet.

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Regardless, my point STILL STAND she did this for money and she got that money. The damage is done, now lets get on with the recovery.

I agree with you this shit shouldn't be made, and I don't like it, nor would I watch it, but I revert back to past posts in this thread - I'm not the judge of what should and shouldn't be made. Legally speaking, as long as it's within the bounds set.... It works; but not for everyone of course.

"What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy" - RATM

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I do agree this could cause serious injury, but again, in her post she said she knew she was going to get punched!

All in all though, this is still all "hear-say".

"What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy" - RATM

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Here the thread it's in - very first post.

"What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy" - RATM

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It makes me think:

A) Some people should not be performing in porn
B) Some people should not be shooting porn
C) Some people should not be watching porn

I love crazy rough insane Rocco movies and I love watching someone like Melissa do crazy scenes -- I can see the endorphins rocketing through her eyes -- but just because there are people who know how to produce this stuff in a way that is cool and consensual (and strokable), doesn't mean that there aren't idiots (talent as well as producers) who stupidly let themselves be taken advantage of/gleefully take advantage of ...

Drawing no specific conclusions about anyone discussed in this thread, just putting that out there as what I feel after reading all these posts.

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It's my opinion that anyone in porn takes risks. You risk infection, humilliation and abuse. In most cases the abuse could be mental, but in Alexs' case it could be physical.

If you frequent rough productions, I would assume sooner or later you could get hurt. It's almost like being a stuntman. The majority of women that do rouhg scenes on rough sites frequently are the ones who can't get steady work with the A & B studios. It's the same premise as M. Hardcore. How many women have made it big to then go & shoot with Max...?

By no means am I saying she asked for it, but I am saying it was a hazzard of the genre she frequnted. Also, if someone refused to comply with her request, she should have bounced, or had a better agent or agency that would have arbitrated on her behalf.

It's unfortunate what has happened, but my guess is lots of women complain, hell if you watch BTS you see even the biggest stars asking male talent to go easy or slow down.

All performers should take care of themselves, and in this case a performer allowed a bad situation to get worse.

I'm more faniliar with hollywood. In porn aren't the producers and Directors the same person more often than not? Eithr way, if she voiced concern to them and it was ignored, then I whole heartedly agree with P-Man.

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I'd like to think that having sex on camera for money is a little less hazardous than professional movie stunt work. But maybe I'm just old-fashioned that way. More and more, I'm starting to think porn is just "Iraq for girls," except girls get to go to Iraq now, too. And we all know what kind of shit happens there.

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