Steven French

Unless you are making claims of coercion, I don't see your point.

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I think the natural reaction to attack her for complaining is really sad, especially if you are familiar with her body of work and realize she has never spoken out before.

earlier in the thread some one said walk and speak out people will support you but the reality is this thread.

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And please don't mistake my claims as "attacks" upon her. In fact, my entire issue is how quickly everyone gravitates to blame Steven French. In fact that's the name of this thread. Even Alex herself has accepted blame for her part in the debacle....and it was indeed a bad situation.

And you are right, you can't always judge how someone will act given a certain situation. All I ever ask of someone is that they take RESPONSIBILTY for their own actions, or inactions as the case may be. Alex has, as far as I'm concerned, that's the end of the story from her side. Haven't heard anything from Steven French and for all I know of the guy he doesn't speak english and didn't understand a word that was being said to him.

I just find it interesting how quickly the anger in situations like this turn to "blaming" the male actor, the director, the producer and males in general. They certainly own their share of the blame...but ONLY their share. Not all of it.

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And Kami, please don't take my comments as attacks either. I'm just pointing out what I see and agree (with some others) that Steve isn't the only one to blame.

And I'll say it again, in case it was missed by anyone, I wish Alex the best. No woman should have to be punched to make money in the porn industry.

"What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy" - RATM

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FUCK YOU, OLD MAN!!!

You dont know the effort I put into finding the trailer... Thanks to PL for not being a smart ass (like you), and just helping me.

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and anyone in their right mind would walk out of a set if you can not come to an agreement, like others said, she might have said yes to a beating, but not on that side, well im sorry but 1 punch on the side i specifically said not to punch, he will get a punch so hard back, he will never forget which side not to hit. and if you dont like violence, well then you shouldnt be there in the first place, and you should talk to him after the first punch, and leave after the second. But let him beat you, and then do the pop again because you looked to much in pain on camera??????

to cry about it afterwards you can do at home, not in public if you did nothing to stop it.

we all do things we might not be to happy about afterwards, but we are adults and can stop things when we want to.

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From Wikipedia:
Donkey punch is a slang term for a sex move performed during doggy style or anal sex. The move involves the penetrating partner punching the penetrated partner in the back of the head or neck. The term may refer to the surprised party "bucking" like a donkey.

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In reality, punching someone in the back of the head (rabbit punching) can damage the brain stem, causing death or permanent injury. It is illegal in professional boxing for this reason. The donkey punch may also be prosecutable as assault or sexual assault, in some jurisdictions even if consent is given. .

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Edited by - skronker on 3/27/2006 6:59:38 PM

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The whole idea of these kind of scenes to this extent is absolutely pointless and what kind of audience they intend to target can only set bad standards both inside and outside of the industry.

Porn can lose this 'my mum made me wear suspenders and now i want to hit girls' kind of guy whether star, director or whatvever as it has no place in porn.

The next steps from here are too dangerous not just in the industry and so it must stop now.
The direction porn has taken in the last 6 or 7 years is heading one way, to mayhem and a crisis point.

There are many angles to porn and always will be assuming their remain pioneers within it but this has no place in any part of life outside of a boxing ring let alone porn.
No producer can afford to pay a girl how much she should get for a single role of that variety for getting clubbed round the earhole.

Jameson and the like have a positive high profile outside the industry now but it only takes an eventual serious injury or fatality, which is inevitable the way things are heading, and all that we know and love will be brought to a screaching halt and porn reverts back to circa 1980.

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So you get a "bad report card" on Porn Star Performance. Who cares? I wish Alex had got up and gone. She's been in the business for a while, and she's done some intense scenes. I doubt there would have been a backlash -- it's JM for Christ's sake, what? She's gonna miss her turn on "American Bukkake"?

Porn as we know it will cease to exist. Oh, the horror!

I think Kami's got the insight I would tend to trust on this discussion.
Anyway, glad Fiend found his precious clip. Happy jacking!

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Play any good games latly...?

OH YEA! I forgot how much of a bitch the playstation controler can be,,,, when you have arthritis... Im,,, im sorry dude..

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For this poor girl, I am so sorry this happened to you and it makes me feel so culpable for being any part of it by providing my support to the industry.

To the people who control the industry, I say clean up your act and police your own .... take care of this studio and these directors before they bring the whole house down.

To the guy with the ring ..... I want you in a dark alley and I am going to make you beg before I jerk your balls off and stuff them up your ass. Please tell me where to meet you. Anybody tell me where to find him ... I absolutely fear no evil.

Thanks .... a peace lover who could be turned into a trained killer.

dicknjane

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Edited by - skronker on 3/27/2006 8:06:36 PM

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We only thank God, Alex is missing bone from her head and her soft brain provided cushion for Steven's punches. We couldn't live with ourselves if he had suffered any nerve damage on his hand. So, on behalf of Cram & myself, sorry, Steven. Oh, and don't worry, Cram says he knows a guy who can restore the luster to your gold ring.

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It's up to these girl to take control, and maybe that control is just saying enough. I hate rough sex, and have never enjoyed those types of works, but don't forget that The Twilight zone was R Rated. I'd suspect that the stunt in an R rated movie would be riskier than in a G rated movie. Guess you just might want to raise that bar a not for XXX.

When it gets too hot, get the fuck out the kitchen!

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There are days when, if the entire porn industry when up in smoke, I would applaud.

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Actually, I believe 7th grade was all about going with "flock mentality" and blending in, sacrificing your own sense of self-recognition just so you can get along. Those that didn't agree with the status quo were outcasts and considered different enough to ridicule. Kind of like you judging from how you defend your posts while ridiculing anothers.
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However, one doesn't need to be here in porn valley to figure out that the economic power in this industry is largely wielded by men, & a notable number of those attracted to this loaded deck have, to say the least, "issues" they're seeking to work out on whomever wanders haplessly into their path. Your defensiveness regarding your gender betrays at least some of your agenda.

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I just find it interesting how quickly the anger in situations like this turn to "blaming" the male actor, the director, the producer and males in general. They certainly own their share of the blame...but ONLY their share. Not all of it.
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Look at the comment from earlier by someonje involved.
You can tell his arse was fisted big time when he was a kid.
Not much changed there i bet.

Been drinking so much of his mum's sperm it's coming out his fingertips when he types.

No place in porn for this and it will send the industry backwards if the wrong people outside of porn hear of it.

There is NO justificaton for it and will not be clearly written in any contract and that is the bottom line.

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As for me, my agenda is the same as if I were in the steel industry, the food service industry or the garment industry, & there were egrerious examples of worker-abuse going on.

Or were the lil gals of the Shirtwaist Triangle fire complicit in their own fate, as well, since nobody held a gun to their head & made them work in that factory ... the bitches did it for the money, right? All & all those labor reformists were nothing but sanctimonious, nosy, Captain-Save-A-Hos, yes?

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Well the differences there for any rational individual are pretty easy to spot. The Jews (and others....many, many others) tried to actively escape their own destruction but were forcibly restrained from doing so via intimidation and mass imprisonment and killings. They were truly victims. If I remember the facts surrounding the Shirtwaist incident, those individuals were forcibly restrained from escaping the fire due to locked doors. Alex made none of these claims, unless your own evidence supports otherwise. She even claimed she got up and left and then came back of her own free will.

But thanks for so clearly demonstrating your OWN agenda with this post. ;)

Edited by - Lubenluv on 3/28/2006 11:04:00 AM

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Have a nice day. I'm off to work, making porn that I'm beginning to think should be labeled, "no performers were deliberately harmed in the making of this film."

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But it's nice to see you attempt to take the "high road" here. It's a money agenda for you, nothing more, regardless of your claims to the contrary. Alex took blame for her actions, maybe it's time you admit to your own. Perhaps placing the disclaimer you jokingly referred to WOULD be a constructive place to start? Perhaps assembling the other "good guy" directors in your tradecraft to run the so-called "perpetrators" out of business would be something else? Perhaps offering the "victim" a lifetime of perpetual employment from you, free of pain and suffering?

No, I doubt you'll do any of the above. Because in the end, talk is cheap. Doing something negatively impacts your agenda.

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Also, I think all of this is a publicity stunt and Steven French is a very nice guy to work with.

Edited by - HillaryScott on 3/28/2006 12:35:54 PM

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I do wonder how all this will affect his movie making from here out.....

"What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy" - RATM

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Someone doesn't have to be hit hard to be serously hurt, it's all about the moment in time when a blow occurs.

This is a tragedy waiting to happen and it should not take the death of a young starlet who did NOT sign a contract to get seriously hit on the skull to change the way things are heading.

Why doesn't someone try to come up with original clothing rather than leather/pvc and coloured fishnets in EVERY scene or something.

Try taking porn in another direction, one that doesn't involve hitting babes.
Babes, not 'whores'

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Edited by - Lubenluv on 3/28/2006 5:19:20 PM

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By the way, thank you for asking, lube-boy, it was an AWESOME shoot today!!!!

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Though it all begins to get a bit Tawana Brawley, I hope Hillary Scott is right. The thing is, this scenario, if true, casts no one involved in a good light. And if it's not true, I'm not sure that it casts everyone in an even worse light. Midgets, reverse pee-kakes, 75-man cum slams, she-male gang bangs, alt-porn, even DAC POV scenes I can handle, even enjoy in some form, but, you know, smacking someone on their fontanelle for the sake of anonymous third party ejaculators is, Jesus, so fucking lame. Bring back the Wetbacks and let's sack 'em -- American Hardcore, all is forgiven!

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The closest Hollywood analogy I can think of is Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio flaking is the middle of shooting the resurrection scene in James Cameron's The Abyss . She's seen the script and knows what's in store, she knows what kind of actor Ed Harris is and how he approaches scenes ... yet when the shooting starts she flakes with the entire crew on the clock because it gets a little physical.

I can't figure what aspect of a Donkey Punch is supposed to be erotic, but then again that's true for most gonzo and feature releases. And as best as I can tell none of porn has anything to do with Real Life anyway, and more than mainstream Hollywood does.

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Maybe you should read her post before making an ass out of yourself for defending this kind of sexual assault.

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The violence is real. The girl doesn't expect the treatment she is going to get. This is a snuff movie.

Just because it makes your dick hard doesn't make it right.

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im not saying it is right. but the girls know what they re getting into.

When i did "go fuck yourself 2" for CoffeeRon over a year ago, i knew i was in for some rough stuff.
and yes, i was bruised for several days after the shoot.
have i complained? have i asked for more money?
No. cause i knew beforehand what it would be like and agreed to do it.
And i actually worked again for Ron a couple of weeks later.

Edited by - melissalauren on 3/29/2006 4:07:19 AM

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