The 10 Things That Are Destroying Porn (page 4)

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fatalbert Member Diagonally parked in a parallel universe 576 Posts 5/03	Posted - Jul 31 2009 : 11:55AM echoplex wrote: Seriously though, how many "bitch about 10 things you don't like to see in porn" threads do we need? Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it is destroying porn. For everything you don't like, there is someone else out there who does. A simple solution: If you don't like it, don't watch it. If nobody likes it, it won't sell and they won't make any more of it. Click to expand If you've actually read some of the threads you decry, including this one, you would see that many of us (myself specifically) are mystified and disappointed at how porn is usually filmed. And your bland observation to the effect that if it isn't any good or doesn't sell, they won't make it, is a point debated by many here. I'll allow that the thread title may be somewhat overwrought, but this is a porn discussion forum. I myself bypass threads whose titles (for example: "I Love Gaping Assholes"), would indicate my lack of interest in the subject. I suggest you henceforth do the same. [Link]
MLyons Senior Member 1617 Posts 8/02	Posted - Jul 31 2009 : 6:11PM I read through a LITTLE of the thread, and the only thing conclusive I can take out of it is the re-affirmation that indeed, Kimi is still way smarter than me. :) [Link]
fatalbert Member Diagonally parked in a parallel universe 576 Posts 5/03	Posted - Aug 1 2009 : 11:37AM Kimi is still way smarter than me. :) Click to expand Me, too. That is not debatable. [Link]
Cryogenix Member 84 Posts 3/06	Posted - Aug 1 2009 : 12:26PM You really have to look at this from two sides: male and female. Women are watching porn more than ever, so the industry must cater to that, while at the same time catering to men. It's a fine balancing act to make everyone happy. If you're a woman, I imagine hearing a guy tell you want to do (taking charge) and telling you "suck that cock!" might be a turn-on - it is for my girlfriend. Having said that, from a male perspective, here's what bothers me: - Black guys screaming during ejaculation. "OOOOOOOOHHHH AAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA WOOHOOHOHOHOHOHOHO!" That shit is just fucking annoying. - A woman smiling too much during sex. We don't want you to look happy, we want a balance between your savage face and your blissful face. - Yeah, the director talking too much. Nothing more distracting than having the dumbass director asking lame questions. That does need to stop...now! - Men's feet. I'm tired of seeing the tips of men's feet in POV blowjobs. It looks silly and is distracting. - Re: Gloryholes - 1) Men shouldn't be trying to move their dicks around to please the woman. She's supposed to be in charge. Men should remain motionless and be a non-participant. 2) Reach-ins with hands to touch her. 3) Flimsy walls. It's just no fun seeing a wall moving around, such as a few series where a cardboard box is used. - Women who have no clue how to talk dirty, and say dumb things. Hearing her say "I love sucking your prick" (or penis or rod) is not a turn-on. There's nothing sexy about "prick" or "penis." "Cock" will do. Also, when getting ass fucked, saying "do you like fucking my butthole?" is not sexy. We like fucking your ass. That's it. - Red pimples or sores or scrapes or whatever on asses, stomachs, faces, hands, etc, on both men and women. It's gross and I don't want to see it. In real life, who cares? In a movie, that shit doesn't belong. So either conceal it with a makeup or find someone else to fill in until everything's cleared up. And no band-aids. That just looks nasty. Edited by - cryogenix on 8/1/2009 12:32:11 PM [Link]

C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 8 2009 : 12:15PM This is all subjective. If we are discussing this as if it's an opinion then it's fine, but some of you want certain sexual acts banished from adult film it would seem. The problem is that one man's poison is another man's passion in cases like this. For example I can't stand to see a girl let a group of men cum in a glass/cup/bowl or whatever, then drink it up. It makes me sick to my stomach, but there's no doubt in my mind that there's an audience for it out there. That's why I just avoid it. With the dawn of the dvd era it's much easier, I can just skip the entire scene without fast forwarding when I have to. Some can't stand to see anal, rough sex, gangbang, extreme interracial, but if you want plain old vanilla sex Vivid is still around last I checked. They market a lot of their stuff towards couples and people that shy away from gonzo porn. One of the great things about adult films is that there are many different flavors that appeal to many different types of people. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Aug 8 2009 : 6:43PM Cryogenix Wrote: You really have to look at this from two sides: male and female. Women are watching porn more than ever, so the industry must cater to that, while at the same time catering to men. It's a fine balancing act to make everyone happy. If you're a woman, I imagine hearing a guy tell you want to do (taking charge) and telling you "suck that cock!" might be a turn-on - it is for my girlfriend. Click to expand Actually, although there are more women involved in the actual decision making and production than there used to be, I have a feeling if women had more say so in porn, a lot of porn would be better off for it. A lot of times a man with a hard dick just can't think straight (Millions of unwanted kids can't be wrong) and the result is shitty porn. Women tend to (not always but often) have more of a sense of sensuality and intimacy. If there's anything that's sorely lacking in really hardcore porn, it's some sense of intimacy. Intimacy and sensuality isn't just for women. Some men find it sexy too. This one does. Most male gonzo pornographers fall flat on their faces if they even think about trying this. Which could be why it's rarely attempted. I don't think filthy sex and sensuality have to be mutually exclusive. C-Hammer wrote: This is all subjective. If we are discussing this as if it's an opinion then it's fine, but some of you want certain sexual acts banished from adult film it would seem. The problem is that one man's poison is another man's passion in cases like this. Click to expand I think what people are objecting to isn't so much that certain acts that they don't care for are done but that they're done too much and seem to be in every movie. When something "new" comes along (Relatively undone in American porn. There's really nothing new in sex), it suddenly appears in every movie even if it's something that is certain to only appeal to a limited audience. Spitting for example. How many people do you really think want to see some dude spit a loogie on anything? It's just not a turn on to most people. Sure there are people who like it but this is what I keep saying. I think there's still potential out there for pornographers to sell niche content. As long as it's clearly marked and marketed specifically to people who are looking for it, I think some of them could do quite well. What we've been seeing is studios cutting every conceivable corner and trying to sell every DVD/scene they make to as many people as possible. Instead of making different kinds of porn for different people, they throw a little bit of everything into every DVD/scene and hope something sticks enough to sell a bunch of copies. And the result is that some people are very turned off when the dude stops every five seconds to spit or when the girl chokes on the cock and almost loses her lunch or when somebody's foot is on somebody's head, etc. It's porn with an identity crisis. Not only does it not know what it wants to be but it doesn't care. The main thing that's destroying porn is they're trying to feed too many people with the porn equivalent of gruel. That's fine if you're giving it away. If you want people to actually pay for it, it'd better be a fine steak dinner every time and prepared to the customer's exact specifications. And even a fine steak dinner can get boring if it's done exactly the same way every time. Too many of them are making a generic product that isn't really worth anything because there's just so much of it. If you've seen one, you've seen most. My dick shrivels just thinking about it. What will people pay for? Something they haven't had before and can't get just anywhere. Pornographers can still do business but they have to get more savvy and they have to do it without making their customers feel like they've been ripped off. Making a unique product for each customer may be something to think about. Difficult? Without a doubt. Impossible? I don't know. This all goes back to what you said. People are very different and one size fits all porn is a losing proposition from the start. This business is going to have to adapt or it's going to die. Edited by - randomprecision on 8/8/2009 6:47:48 PM Edited by - randomprecision on 8/8/2009 7:00:30 PM [Link]
rashidnz Senior Member Eve Angel 4649 Posts 12/03	Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 2:31AM Hello Very interesting thread,I do not know what is destroying porn I do have somethings that annoy me in straight sex couple scenes Its hard to prioritise this list but here goes(limiting it to 10 also) 1 Fake Tits(Total turn off) 2 Guy Jerking Off(let the Woman Finish the job) 3 Muzak(gimme a music off option,) 4 Clothing(I want Nudity,Ok heels stockings I can tolerate) 5 CONDOMS 6 PORNOSPEAK(Just shut up more Fuckin Fucking) 7 Women in it for Paycheck only( ,Sex is meant to be enjoyable if she is not having fun I am not enjoying it either The Woman has to Fuck not just be Fucked) 8 Bad Blowjobs(tip and stroke technique is lame,forced deepthroat gagging choking abusive stuff is also bad, I want to see the woman in control not being forced 9 Bad edits/cutaways/inserts ECU that destroy the flow more focus on the whole of the woman not justPussy/Ass 10 LACK OF CONNECTION(EYE CONTACT if the girl won't even look at the guy fucking her it is a bad sign) There is a similar thread at the vivthomas lounge(new forum) [ invalid url ] [Link]
Ida Lupino Deactivated User 429 Posts 11/08	Posted - Oct 24 2009 : 5:16PM Flatbutt actresses! [Link]
biggins Member 657 Posts 5/09	Posted - Oct 24 2009 : 5:56PM To much plastic! Beautiful girls doing the lips,breast ect. Keep it real [Link]
rwmoose Deactivated User 77 Posts 2/09	Posted - Oct 24 2009 : 10:10PM The Biggest thing that is destroying porn is Torrents and File sharing sites. [Link]
kirby Member California 187 Posts 8/06	Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 4:16PM jizzyjay wrote: The fact of the matter is the porn industry doesn't care what the porn buying public thinks.We're still complaining about things that annoyes us and the porn industry is still doing it.The spitting, the ass slapping, the choking and the treatment of females during sex scenes is still going on.The only way to get your message across is with your wallet. I don't buy adult videos any more because of the stuff I mention above.It's been said that the porn industry isn't doing to well right now cause people are not buying porn. Maybe it's because of the product being put out that people are starting to wise up and say I'm tire of this crap and I'm not buying any more til I see what I want to see.Also I think the internet may have something to do with cutting into porn sales too. Just my opinon. Click to expand Wow, 1 post that makes sense in a serious shitstorm of bullshit. [Link]
Randomizer Member 234 Posts 6/08	Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 11:34AM 1) Not enough emphasis on chemistry and long scenes. The eye contact and signs the girl is genuinely aroused are so important, and so often ignored. I want to see two performers with good chemistry go at it for 45 minutes to an hour, with both of them cumming multiple times, with minimal editing. Match them up right and keep them at it until they are out of bodily fluids. 2) Guys too old for the girls. I don't mind if a girl does Peter North and other Big Name stars, but I prefer scenes where the girl is fucking a guy she would plausibly date in terms of age and looks. There can be exceptions, but the rule should be an 18-year-old fucks a guy in his early 20's. 3) Too much interracial. Same as above -- I don't mind Lex fucking all the new girls at least once, but I prefer same-race scenes for the most part. Again, I'm not saying I'm AGAINST IR, just keep it more of the exception rather than the rule. 4) High-def that doesn't look like high-def. I didn't pay for a Blu-Ray player and Blu-Ray titles to see artsy shit that's had the colors filtered and shot in soft-focus. I want CLARITY in high-def. I'd like to see the highest FPS possible, with accurate colors and contrast. 5) Gonzo with bad lighting. I don't mind if features experiment with moody lighting and shadows, but gonzo is meant to be SEEN, not imagined. 6) Too much anal, particularly direct-to-anal. I like scenes to have anal, but it's a dessert, not a main course. Get the girl hot and sweaty from good vaginal sex and then take it to the next level after they've both cum once, then switch from vaginal sex for the sake of gratification to anal sex for the sake of pushing her limits. 7) Cosmetic procedures. Breast implants almost always make the girl look worse. Botox fucks up her face. Why are wrinkles so horrible? I'd rather see a girl with laugh lines than a girl that looks like she's had a stroke. Duck lips are the worst surgery of all. At least a few boob jobs turn out OK, and botox is temporary. Duck lips are forever, and always look bad. 8) Disappearing cum. I hate open-mouth cumshots and also when the guy gets off an early load and they wipe it off before they continue. The watching them fuck while his first load is still on her tits or face is the rarest and best visual in porn. 9) Guys finishing themselves off or editing out him stroking off. If he's fucking her, he should be aroused by it enough to pull out and shoot his load hands-free. If she's been working his cock with her tits, mouth, or hands, she should be the one that finishes him off. Ideally he would never touch his cock during a cumshot. 10) Weak cumshots. Size matters. It shows she had aroused him for an extended period of time. Guys who work to much to shoot their full load are not professional. What's best is TWO large cumshots, because the first shows she's a good fuck and he's turned on by her too much to control himself, while the second shows they had lots of good sex that aroused him enough to completely refill his tank. It shows he wasn't just dumping the load he walked into the studio with. Edited by - randomizer on 10/27/2009 11:48:40 AM [Link]
mapofhawaii Senior Member 1050 Posts 3/06	Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 1:39PM Clam Digger wrote: mindee wrote: ....... Multiple Guys: I like this. I think it is VERY hot. I have had multiple-guy sex in my private life, and would love to do it in performance. I personally don't know any guys who are turned off by this, much less think it is gay. I often see the "gay" label attached to this type of porn here on ADT and on other boards. Also as a woman, I know that I would rather have a 3-some with 2 guys instead of 1 woman and 1 man. While I do occasionally like to be in an all-woman pile, I like the idea of being the center of attention with a group of men. ....... Click to expand You like multiple guys because you are a woman and you naturally don't mind a penis or 3 in scene. Several of our ADT sisters have posted that they like watching gay porn. I imagine, being the center of the attention of a few guys at once, is a fantasy of more then a few ladies. However if you are a guy and like to watch multiple guys savaging a single girl, you are gay and or bisexual. Click to expand Ridiculous generalization. I would guess at least 95% of the people who like to watch gangbangs never have a thought about doing a guy. I know I don't. Why then the need for multiple guys? It's necessary to set the scene of the girl as a slut. One on one porn may be fine for fantasies of the woman you love or want to be exclusive with. But when you are watching porn for the fantasy of a nasty, filty slut, gangbangs do the trick. [Link]
kantabcd Deactivated User 167 Posts 5/09	Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 12:42PM mapofhawaii wrote: Ridiculous generalization. I would guess at least 95% of the people who like to watch gangbangs never have a thought about doing a guy. I know I don't. Why then the need for multiple guys? It's necessary to set the scene of the girl as a slut. One on one porn may be fine for fantasies of the woman you love or want to be exclusive with. But when you are watching porn for the fantasy of a nasty, filty slut, gangbangs do the trick. Click to expand +1 _____________________________________________________________________________ Gangbangs and DPs are the best of Porn! [Link]

BYOB_Kenobi Senior Member “Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09	Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 2:39PM just_me wrote: This forum needs to just realize that while you may not like something in porn, someone else does. It's quite simple, porn is made for what the dollars are spent on. I also said this recently on another forum, porn has little to do with what most people want, and everything to do with what enough people are willing to pay for. Click to expand just_me, I agree with most of what you said. However, I don't think your observation of "porn has little to do with what most people want, and everything to do with what enough people are willing to pay for." is accurate/applicable in all the cases or even a large majority. Although, I agree your statement that it's a common motive/business model of producers and explanation for consumer behavior, in order to be applicable in a large majority of cases, the industry and consumer demand would have to be much more static. Porn is dynamic just like all other forms of media/art (granted it has some stable tendencies/features). Although, producers usually and eventually adjust and conform to consumer demand (merely to stay financially viable), any assessment taken at any point in time can be over-exaggerated/over-valued or under-exaggerated/under-valued. If consumer demand was stable all the time, then your statement might hold much more weight with me, but I submit there are many 'bubbles' in demand. Also, the porn industry is always experimenting in their products (esp. in the shock-type porn), so there might be types of porn that producer(s) might be trying to promote (i.e., shove down our throats), even though there is negligible demand for that specific porn at that moment. Then there are the companies who are always behind the curve and reaction to perceived consumer preferences. For example, although it's hard to argue that there is no demand for heterosexual b/g porn scenes involving the use of fake cocks, my guess is that the supply does not accurately mirror the demand in this case. But who knows, I could be wrong After reading more of ADT, I think the demand of female performers with breast implants (in b/g porn) does not accurately reflect the 'supply' of female performers with breast implants. I am not saying 1). there is no significant demand for breast implants in porn 2). there aren't other factors involved, just that IMO, there's a perceived exaggerated demand. However, it's hard to quantify this demand, thus difficult to confirm my postulation; therefore, ultimately it's just a personal theory. Edited by - BYOB_Kenobi on 11/6/2009 2:51:22 PM [Link]
BYOB_Kenobi Senior Member “Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09	Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 2:46PM BlackSix wrote: Yeah, I hear the business is really booming right now, time to cash in!! Click to expand On that note, now is never a better time to demand change from the producers in regards to the power of the purse. Bad economy, 10% unemployment ---> consumers spending less on porn = each dollar spent on or not spent on porn has more impact (theoretically). We'll see if this pans out. This is my only hope for steering producers in make better porn products. [Link]
NerdGod Member Using a 2 inch cock like it was 12 480 Posts 7/06	Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 4:11PM to each thier own. as long as no one gets hurt(unless they ask nicely) it shouldnt matter what thier paticular kink is. Edited by - nerdgod on 11/8/2009 10:50:44 AM [Link]
PornAgain Member 54 Posts 11/06	Posted - Nov 7 2009 : 5:19PM # 11: Using ad nauseum the same guys who have a stranglehold on male roles, especially the ones who control the action and keep the girls motionless and my dick limp. They go through the same routine every time, destroying every scene. Sometimes they're in every scene in the DVD! Worst violators & overexposed: John Strong, Mark Ashley, Lee Stone, Talon, Mr. Pete, Michael Stefano, Mark Wood. bono-ONE, how can you be blind to this in your reviews? Do you work with/for some of the production companies? [Link]
texanbob Deactivated User 727 Posts 6/04	Posted - Nov 7 2009 : 6:49PM Why is there so many gay titles on my porn shop shelves & far less Lesbian titles. Doesn't make bloody sense.....is it fictional that girl-girl is every mans dream? Bring on more hardcore lesbian titles, not these lame pussy footing around scenes. As for Spitting I love Jay Sin's Pretty Sloppy series & welcome girl-girl spitting every day of the week........as for guys doing it, get the hell out. www.clips4sale.com/studio/26750 [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 5:11PM I would venture a guess that more guys fantasize about a girl taking a cock then licking a pussy. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 8:50PM just_me wrote: It's quite simple, porn is made for what the dollars are spent on. ___________________________________________________ That's certainly sensible, very logical, and I'm sure it is often true. Still, the near unanimity of certain complaints on ADT about porn : its unenthusiastic performers, poor or non existent editing, on camera direction, and other often heard dislikes, makes me wonder if many producers even so much as see a connection between the product they make and the money they earn from it, much less heed that connection and stop making what doesn't sell. I am not talking about kinds of porn, i.e. anal or oral or gangbang or whatever. I'm talking about about the quality of the performances and the direction and so forth. So much of it is SO bad and continues to be bad and no effort is made it seems to change that and make it better. One wonders if some producers have the first idea how to make it any better. In light of the apparently dwindling profits in the industry (much of which, admittedly, has nothing to do with product quality), just_me's perfectly sound logic would dictate that porn makers should be coming to customer input sources like ADT for ideas how to get more of our dollars. That, and they would be trying new ideas, working to increase quality. I'm sure some are doing just this. But mostly what I see is the same old same old. Just_me should be right. I wish he was. I just don't see much evidence that he is. [Link]
htb066 Member 69 Posts 11/08	Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 9:32PM JBauer24 wrote: 4) This is sort of a follow on to #1... Covering the woman up with clothing while she gets pounded. Click to expand i disagree. i find it boring when the woman is completely naked. i'd rather see her in lingerie, fishnets, etc. high heels are mandatory in my book. a random list of shit in porn i find irritating: -directors who don't know how to shoot dps. the best way to shoot a dp is from the side, rather than from the back, where all you see is balls and man-ass. -Fake "reality porn." Shit like BangBus, where everything is staged, but it's presented as real. God, I miss midnight prowl (back when khan tusion was shooting it) so much. That's the only genuine reality porn I've ever seen. -I love it when a girl is in missionary and her tits are bouncing. But, surprisingly, it's actually pretty hard to find that kind of content. Usually, in missionary, the girl or they guy's hands are all over the tits, so you don't see them bouncing a lot. I find that really annoying. -During cowgirl, I like to look at the girl's ass, not the guy's hands all over the girl's ass. -for some reason, I really don't like seeing a girl's hands on the guy's dick when she's giving a bj. I find it so much hotter when she's just using her mouth. -european cumshots. they just don't know how to shoot a good cumshot on the other side of the atlantic. the girls are always spitting out the cum, or if it's a facial it only goes on her chin or the guy completely misses. same thing goes for anal creampies- they don't know how to shoot them in europe. -jake malone's voice. -why jake malone has the same stupid fucking drumbeat at the beginning of all his scenes. music at the beginning of scenes is completely pointless. -the totally idiotic plots that brandon iron has in some of his scenes. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 9:53PM htb066 wrote: -Fake "reality porn." Shit like BangBus, where everything is staged, but it's presented as real. God, I miss midnight prowl (back when khan tusion was shooting it) so much. That's the only genuine reality porn I've ever seen. Click to expand Do you think Khan was actually shooting with dudes right off the street? No way, everyone would need to have their AIM tests. It's as phony as a three dollar bill. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 10:03PM BlackSix wrote: Do you think Khan was actually shooting with dudes right off the street? No way, everyone would need to have their AIM tests. It's as phony as a three dollar bill. Click to expand I can't say in Khan's case, but I met a pornstar who shot some "reality porn" with guys off the street; she said that it was genuine - in that they really did pick up guys just walking around to shoot with, but once they agreed, the process would take about a month or two to shoot the scene, after the disease checks. This obviously doesn't come across in the video (nor the many guys whose performance didn't cut it), but in this case, the street-civilian-bangs-pornstar scenario was genuine. [Link]

htb066 Member 69 Posts 11/08	Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 10:17PM BlackSix wrote: Do you think Khan was actually shooting with dudes right off the street? No way, everyone would need to have their AIM tests. It's as phony as a three dollar bill. Click to expand you've apparently never watched those scenes before. all the guys would wear condoms- thus, no need for an aim test. you can also just tell from watching it that it's real. fake dialogue is pretty easy to spot. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 10:31PM htb066 wrote: you've apparently never watched those scenes before. all the guys would wear condoms- thus, no need for an aim test. you can also just tell from watching it that it's real. fake dialogue is pretty easy to spot. Click to expand I did watch a bit of Midnight Prowl but it was some of the worse porn I'd ever seen and Khan was an annoying douchebag who wouldn't shut up. Plus the entire idea was ripped off from Jamie Gillis to begin with and he did it much, much better. [Link]
Brandon Iron BrandonIron.com 3832 Posts 3/02	Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 10:24PM -the totally idiotic plots that brandon iron has in some of his scenes. Click to expand So you didn't like the Mick Blue Man Group update at www.covermyface.com then? [Link]
Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 11:37PM ^ [Link]
Agent_Zigzag Member 242 Posts 9/09	Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 4:27AM Slapping in gonzo movies not labeled as rough sex films. Putting 4 fingers or a whole hand in a lady's mouth. Gagging until she pukes rather than just out of breath. Not enough kissing in gonzo films. Too much reverse cowgirl. Not enough regular cowgirl. Not shooting cowgirl from over his shoulder to show her face & breasts instead of penetration only. Not enough White Male-Black Female Interracial. MILFS/Cougars who are younger than 30 years old. Not enough tattooed/pierced/"emo"/"alt" porn chicks in mainstream gonzo films not explicitly marketed as "alt" porn. [Link]
TheCuriousDizzle Member 91 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 20 2009 : 12:59AM 90 percent of you are just listing specific things or activities you don't like in porn. That's like saying the fact that they serve eggs benedict at Denny's is killing Denny's because you don't like eggs benedict. I'm more bothered by the big things... like the robo-fucking and rote of it. Fucking is supposed to be fun. Even if you can't act worth shit, that's fine. Just enjoy the fucking part of things and let it show. [Link]
datdude Member 72 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 20 2009 : 5:20PM I just know what I dislike The racism in interracial porn Ass fucking all the time. Cum shots to the face. Cant guys shoot on the ass or stomach? I hate when the girl is jerking a guy and he has to stand and take it on her face. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 2:27PM datdude wrote: I just know what I dislike The racism in interracial porn Click to expand I type this w/ trembling fingers after the last time the word 'racism' popped up, but what specifically do you mean? First, there are complaints about racism in porn when it ISN'T inter-racial, now a complaint, apparently, when it is. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 2:51PM duefuss wrote: datdude wrote: I just know what I dislike The racism in interracial porn Click to expand I type this w/ trembling fingers after the last time the word 'racism' popped up, but what specifically do you mean? Click to expand Hmmm... I can't speak for the poster who wrote that comment, but from my point of view, IR releases sporting such as "Oh No, There's a Negro in My Daughter' doesn't exactly strike me as tolerant terminology. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 3:40PM ^ Yeah, or the girls screaming "Ni*er" while fucking, or the various racist set-ups. Of course, some of these are done in an ironic/subversive way, but I'm assuming the majority are not. I haven't seen much of it though. To throw in my 2 cents, I will echo what a lot of other people have said here (with an eye on the OP - what's "destroying" porn): Lack of chemistry/by-the-numbers fucking * Disrespectful/degrading treatment of women [Link]

datdude Member 72 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 3:49PM duefuss wrote: datdude wrote: I just know what I dislike The racism in interracial porn Click to expand I type this w/ trembling fingers after the last time the word 'racism' popped up, but what specifically do you mean? First, there are complaints about racism in porn when it ISN'T inter-racial, now a complaint, apparently, when it is. Click to expand A lot of it plays on old age myths going back to the movie A birth of a nation. White society's ignorent view of black sexuality. A lot of interracial porn prays on this, with crazy titles such as a Negro is in my wife. A lot of it deals with humitation and some sort of superiorty complexes. Just look at some of the videos and websites out there. [Link]
tes96 Member 18 Posts 3/09	Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 4:40PM I concur with the OP that men who moan louder than girls are rather disturbing. That and when the guys keeps on moaning and moaning or saying "oh yeah!" a dotrigintillion times in a row. But all anal scenes and no vaginal are fantastic, in my opinion. But most people aren't extreme anal fanatics like me, so I can see it from their point of view. Actually, what I think might be ruining the business of porn is the fact that people can burn these DVDs and then upload them onto the internet. That hurts the directors as well as the cast because nobody is purchasing their movies; they're just downloading them for free. Anybody else have the same view on that? [Link]
Abel Semen Member 13 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 4:43PM Since this seems to be an "everyone air their dislikes" thread, some of mine (in the hopes that some directors actually read this): First, let me hop aboard the anti-spitting bandwagon. Even in a cum-swapping movie, where directors could be sort of forgiven for thinking if you liked one you would like the other, I don't like it unless there's actual cum involved. It's a major turn-off. Slapping, name-calling and S&M overtones in general, in movies not specifically labelled as featuring rough sex or fetish material. Some BDSM people I've met have trouble understanding that not everyone is into their lifestyle (or believe that everyone should be), and it looks to me like this attitude has leaked into mainstream porn in a significant way. I have no trouble with these things among consenting adults but at least in porn that includes the viewer, and you know what, I'm having some trouble remembering the bit where I gave my consent. Personally I sometimes like this and sometimes not, it can be hot if the girls are really into it (Mason's strongest point) but most of the time it's not what I want. I would go so far as to say Private's fetish stuff is better porn for people with non-BDSM tastes than a lot of American mainstream titles. Big fake tits - or for that matter, even real ones beyond about the high end of a C. I think they're ugly. Let me amend that, they often look good under clothes but they're universally terrible once exposed, even if there aren't visible surgery scars, which there often are. Come to think of it, why don't these girls keep their bras on more often? They're almost always prettier than the actual tits and it's probably also more comfortable for them once you start seriously bouncing around. "Teens" should look young, fresh and cute and "MILFs" should look like someone you'd expect, at first glance, to be somebody's mother. Their actual ages are pretty irrelevant, for better or worse porn is about appearances. (Sunny Lane still makes a pretty good "teen" at 29.) But for God's sake, there's enough girls to choose from that there's no excuse for not adhering to these basic looks, for characters who are supposed to be one or the other. Tease footage that has more thought and filmmaking skill put into it than the actual porn part. I like the tease footage, sometimes better than the actual sex, I just don't like that it always seems to come to a needle-scratching, dick-softening halt just when it's starting to get me worked up. Why does the music and creative camerawork almost always have to stop just when things are otherwise getting interesting? Not all directors are guilty of this, in another thread there's a fair list of people like Ninn and Adamo who aren't. I'm not saying all directors should be Ninn or Adamo, I wouldn't have, say, Mason any other way than she is, it's the ones who are Ninn or Adamo for three minutes and then (a crappier version of) Mason for 20 that drive me nuts. I'll post more if I think of more but that's plenty for now. I don't think these things are destroying porn, at least in commercial terms nothing is, but they make it a less enjoyable place for me, and I can't be the only one. EDIT: Here's one I disagree with many people on, at least some of the time: guys moaning. My last couple of girlfriends tried to get me to do this and when the last one finally succeeded, I felt really awkward for about two seconds then saw the effect it had on her and became a total convert. Anything that gets the girls genuinely turned on is okay in my book, because then their performances will be a million times better, and in my experience the guy making noise often does this. Edited by - Abel Semen on 11/21/2009 8:22:53 PM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 9:56PM Good post Abel, welcome to the forum! [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 12:48AM Nice first post Abel. :) I have to say, these posts are making me feel like I'm not missing much by skipping modern porn. Pre-1995 stuff plus JAV is keeping me quite content. It's amazing how much American porn has changed. For instance, what IS the aversion to plain old missionary? It's easy to get a great shot, just position the camera at an angle looking down from their heads, so you look in with roughly a similar POV as the woman, but above her head. You can see all the action, her chest heaving, penetration, etc. But no, every scene I've seen lately is RCG with the guy hanging off a couch in a back-punishing way that no one in their right mind would ever do in their private sex life. I realize porn isn't reality but does it have to be so glaringly so? [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 4:27AM Abel Semen wrote: Tease footage that has more thought and filmmaking skill put into it than the actual porn part. I like the tease footage, sometimes better than the actual sex, I just don't like that it always seems to come to a needle-scratching, dick-softening halt just when it's starting to get me worked up. Why does the music and creative camerawork almost always have to stop just when things are otherwise getting interesting? Not all directors are guilty of this, in another thread there's a fair list of people like Ninn and Adamo who aren't. I'm not saying all directors should be Ninn or Adamo, I wouldn't have, say, Mason any other way than she is, it's the ones who are Ninn or Adamo for three minutes and then (a crappier version of) Mason for 20 that drive me nuts. Click to expand Yep. This. I can't count how many times I've been very impressed with the tease and then the rest of the scene is a wreck. WTF happened? [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 9:01AM Abel Semen wrote: EDIT: Here's one I disagree with many people on, at least some of the time: guys moaning. My last couple of girlfriends tried to get me to do this and when the last one finally succeeded, I felt really awkward for about two seconds then saw the effect it had on her and became a total convert. Anything that gets the girls genuinely turned on is okay in my book, because then their performances will be a million times better, and in my experience the guy making noise often does this. Edited by - Abel Semen on 11/21/2009 8:22:53 PM Click to expand Kudos to you, sir! [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 11:18AM Abel Semen (great wordplay BTW!} wrote: in the hopes that some directors actually read this. __________________________________________________________ They may read our dislikes; who knows? But they sure as Hell don't heed them. [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 11:23AM Thanks, Datdude, for taking the time to be specific. Of course I understand and agree that your examples are indeed racist, reflecting old fashioned white racist assumptions and racial stereotypes. It is unfortunate that these absurd notions will be repeated as long as anyone thinks they can make a buck from them. [Link]
Ronald Deactivated User 544 Posts 5/05	Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 12:41PM unattractive girls that are just "filler" ruin a dvd for me [Link]
MrLongStiff Deactivated User 87 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 5:24PM datdude wrote: duefuss wrote: datdude wrote: I just know what I dislike The racism in interracial porn Click to expand I type this w/ trembling fingers after the last time the word 'racism' popped up, but what specifically do you mean? First, there are complaints about racism in porn when it ISN'T inter-racial, now a complaint, apparently, when it is. Click to expand A lot of it plays on old age myths going back to the movie A birth of a nation. White society's ignorent view of black sexuality. A lot of interracial porn prays on this, with crazy titles such as a Negro is in my wife. A lot of it deals with humitation and some sort of superiorty complexes. Just look at some of the videos and websites out there. Click to expand 100% AGREED I've been saying this from DAY ONE. P.S Please pay no notice of duefuss. He's a white racist shit stirer and is a staunch ANTI IR advocate. The funny thing is that he tries to dress up his anti IR crap as an intellectual argument, but he's fooling nobody but himself. [Link]
Abel Semen Member 13 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 5:47PM Thanks for the appreciative remarks, all (especially about the username, it's totally the name I'd pick if I were to be in a porno, not that that's likely!). The remark about missionary made me think of one more, overemphasis on ass/booty shots and generally shooting the girls from underneath, especially when dancing. (In fact, shooting dancing from too close in general is stupid, you completely lose the effect. Note that this problem is not confined to porn directors.) Part of it is that while I love watching girls dance, booty-shaking specifically doesn't do much for me, especially when viewed from that angle. Even if it did, frankly if you've seen one (good) instance of it you've seen them all. But in general I prefer to be able to see the girl's face as much as possible. The worst has to be a recent movie called Too Small to Take It All, which as the title suggests, features the kind of petite, cute girls I prefer. Only they're constantly shot from underneath in a way that makes them look like they're eight feet tall! In a movie that's supposed to be emphasizing how tiny they are, that's an EPIC fail. [Link]
Abel Semen Member 13 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 5:56PM "I have to say, these posts are making me feel like I'm not missing much by skipping modern porn. Pre-1995 stuff plus JAV is keeping me quite content. It's amazing how much American porn has changed." Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, though I am finding myself looking to Europe and to a lesser extent Japan rather than America for a large percentage of my porn "needs". And remember that one person's poison is another's ambrosia; for example I love a lot of the group sex stuff the OP complained about. Edited by - Abel Semen on 11/22/2009 5:57:48 PM [Link]
willpillow Member 22 Posts 10/08	Posted - Nov 23 2009 : 7:02AM The disappearance of little producers like Mike Hott! [Link]
duefuss Member Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09	Posted - Nov 23 2009 : 9:45AM MrLongStiff wrote: P.S Please pay no notice of duefuss. He's a white racist shit stirer and is a staunch ANTI IR advocate. The funny thing is that he tries to dress up his anti IR crap as an intellectual argument, but he's fooling nobody but himself. Click to expand This is why my fingers trembled. MrLongStiff believes that only Blacks who agree with him have the moral right to talk or opine on racism. His conclusion that I am a 'white racist shit stirer' [sic]-- whatever that is -- derives from another, locked, thread in which I had the effrontery to be white and to have an opinion other than his own. Nowhere in that thread did I object to inter-racial porn or inter-racial anything else. BTW, I don't mind a little name calling, MrLongStiff(your alias referring, apparently, to your attitude) but calling me an 'intellectual'? Now, that goes too far! [Link]
BYOB_Kenobi Senior Member “Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09	Posted - Nov 23 2009 : 1:48PM Ordell wrote: For instance, what IS the aversion to plain old missionary? It's easy to get a great shot, just position the camera at an angle looking down from their heads, so you look in with roughly a similar POV as the woman, but above her head. You can see all the action, her chest heaving, penetration, etc. Click to expand Ordell, is this the missionary angle you are talking about? Excuse my horrible stick-figure rendering. I have recently like to see girls get railed in this angle (dude's dick disappearing during vaginal sex). I guess it could be called "Female POV" angle, even though I'm sure it could be considered to be 'gay' by some. Edited by - BYOB_Kenobi on 11/23/2009 1:49:24 PM [Link]

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fatalbert
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Posted - Jul 31 2009 : 11:55AM

If you've actually read some of the threads you decry, including this one, you would see that many of us (myself specifically) are mystified and disappointed at how porn is usually filmed.
And your bland observation to the effect that if it isn't any good or doesn't sell, they won't make it, is a point debated by many here.

I'll allow that the thread title may be somewhat overwrought, but this is a porn discussion forum.
I myself bypass threads whose titles (for example: "I Love Gaping Assholes"), would indicate my lack of interest in the subject.
I suggest you henceforth do the same.

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MLyons
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Posted - Jul 31 2009 : 6:11PM

I read through a LITTLE of the thread, and the only thing conclusive I can take out of it is the re-affirmation that indeed, Kimi is still way smarter than me. :)

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fatalbert
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Posted - Aug 1 2009 : 11:37AM

Me, too. That is not debatable.

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Cryogenix
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Posted - Aug 1 2009 : 12:26PM

You really have to look at this from two sides: male and female. Women are watching porn more than ever, so the industry must cater to that, while at the same time catering to men. It's a fine balancing act to make everyone happy. If you're a woman, I imagine hearing a guy tell you want to do (taking charge) and telling you "suck that cock!" might be a turn-on - it is for my girlfriend.
Having said that, from a male perspective, here's what bothers me:
- Black guys screaming during ejaculation. "OOOOOOOOHHHH AAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA WOOHOOHOHOHOHOHOHO!" That shit is just fucking annoying.
- A woman smiling too much during sex. We don't want you to look happy, we want a balance between your savage face and your blissful face.
- Yeah, the director talking too much. Nothing more distracting than having the dumbass director asking lame questions. That does need to stop...now!
- Men's feet. I'm tired of seeing the tips of men's feet in POV blowjobs. It looks silly and is distracting.
- Re: Gloryholes - 1) Men shouldn't be trying to move their dicks around to please the woman. She's supposed to be in charge. Men should remain motionless and be a non-participant. 2) Reach-ins with hands to touch her. 3) Flimsy walls. It's just no fun seeing a wall moving around, such as a few series where a cardboard box is used.
- Women who have no clue how to talk dirty, and say dumb things. Hearing her say "I love sucking your prick" (or penis or rod) is not a turn-on. There's nothing sexy about "prick" or "penis." "Cock" will do. Also, when getting ass fucked, saying "do you like fucking my butthole?" is not sexy. We like fucking your ass. That's it.
- Red pimples or sores or scrapes or whatever on asses, stomachs, faces, hands, etc, on both men and women. It's gross and I don't want to see it. In real life, who cares? In a movie, that shit doesn't belong. So either conceal it with a makeup or find someone else to fill in until everything's cleared up. And no band-aids. That just looks nasty.
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C-Hammer
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Posted - Aug 8 2009 : 12:15PM

This is all subjective. If we are discussing this as if it's an opinion then it's fine, but some of you want certain sexual acts banished from adult film it would seem. The problem is that one man's poison is another man's passion in cases like this.
For example I can't stand to see a girl let a group of men cum in a glass/cup/bowl or whatever, then drink it up. It makes me sick to my stomach, but there's no doubt in my mind that there's an audience for it out there. That's why I just avoid it. With the dawn of the dvd era it's much easier, I can just skip the entire scene without fast forwarding when I have to.
Some can't stand to see anal, rough sex, gangbang, extreme interracial, but if you want plain old vanilla sex Vivid is still around last I checked. They market a lot of their stuff towards couples and people that shy away from gonzo porn. One of the great things about adult films is that there are many different flavors that appeal to many different types of people.

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Posted - Aug 8 2009 : 6:43PM

Actually, although there are more women involved in the actual decision making and production than there used to be, I have a feeling if women had more say so in porn, a lot of porn would be better off for it. A lot of times a man with a hard dick just can't think straight (Millions of unwanted kids can't be wrong) and the result is shitty porn. Women tend to (not always but often) have more of a sense of sensuality and intimacy. If there's anything that's sorely lacking in really hardcore porn, it's some sense of intimacy. Intimacy and sensuality isn't just for women. Some men find it sexy too. This one does. Most male gonzo pornographers fall flat on their faces if they even think about trying this. Which could be why it's rarely attempted. I don't think filthy sex and sensuality have to be mutually exclusive.

I think what people are objecting to isn't so much that certain acts that they don't care for are done but that they're done too much and seem to be in every movie. When something "new" comes along (Relatively undone in American porn. There's really nothing new in sex), it suddenly appears in every movie even if it's something that is certain to only appeal to a limited audience. Spitting for example. How many people do you really think want to see some dude spit a loogie on anything? It's just not a turn on to most people.
Sure there are people who like it but this is what I keep saying. I think there's still potential out there for pornographers to sell niche content. As long as it's clearly marked and marketed specifically to people who are looking for it, I think some of them could do quite well.
What we've been seeing is studios cutting every conceivable corner and trying to sell every DVD/scene they make to as many people as possible. Instead of making different kinds of porn for different people, they throw a little bit of everything into every DVD/scene and hope something sticks enough to sell a bunch of copies. And the result is that some people are very turned off when the dude stops every five seconds to spit or when the girl chokes on the cock and almost loses her lunch or when somebody's foot is on somebody's head, etc. It's porn with an identity crisis. Not only does it not know what it wants to be but it doesn't care.
The main thing that's destroying porn is they're trying to feed too many people with the porn equivalent of gruel. That's fine if you're giving it away. If you want people to actually pay for it, it'd better be a fine steak dinner every time and prepared to the customer's exact specifications. And even a fine steak dinner can get boring if it's done exactly the same way every time. Too many of them are making a generic product that isn't really worth anything because there's just so much of it. If you've seen one, you've seen most. My dick shrivels just thinking about it.
What will people pay for? Something they haven't had before and can't get just anywhere. Pornographers can still do business but they have to get more savvy and they have to do it without making their customers feel like they've been ripped off. Making a unique product for each customer may be something to think about. Difficult? Without a doubt. Impossible? I don't know.
This all goes back to what you said. People are very different and one size fits all porn is a losing proposition from the start. This business is going to have to adapt or it's going to die.
Edited by - randomprecision on 8/8/2009 6:47:48 PM
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Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 2:31AM

Hello
Very interesting thread,I do not know what is destroying porn
I do have somethings that annoy me in straight sex couple scenes
Its hard to prioritise this list but here goes(limiting it to 10 also)
1 Fake Tits(Total turn off)
2 Guy Jerking Off(let the Woman Finish the job)
3 Muzak(gimme a music off option,)
4 Clothing(I want Nudity,Ok heels stockings I can tolerate)
5 CONDOMS
6 PORNOSPEAK(Just shut up more Fuckin Fucking)
7 Women in it for Paycheck only( ,Sex is meant to be enjoyable if she is not having fun I am not enjoying it either The Woman has to Fuck not just be Fucked)
8 Bad Blowjobs(tip and stroke technique is lame,forced deepthroat gagging choking abusive stuff is also bad, I want to see the woman in control not being forced
9 Bad edits/cutaways/inserts ECU that destroy the flow more focus on the whole of the woman not justPussy/Ass
10 LACK OF CONNECTION(EYE CONTACT if the girl won't even look at the guy fucking her it is a bad sign)

There is a similar thread at the vivthomas lounge(new forum)
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Ida Lupino
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Posted - Oct 24 2009 : 5:16PM

Flatbutt actresses!

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biggins
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Posted - Oct 24 2009 : 5:56PM

To much plastic! Beautiful girls doing the lips,breast ect.
Keep it real

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rwmoose
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Posted - Oct 24 2009 : 10:10PM

The Biggest thing that is destroying porn is Torrents and File sharing sites.

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kirby
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Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 4:16PM

jizzyjay wrote:
The fact of the matter is the porn industry doesn't care what the porn buying public thinks.We're still complaining about things that annoyes us and the porn industry is still doing it.The spitting, the ass slapping, the choking and the treatment of females during sex scenes is still going on.The only way to get your message across is with your wallet. I don't buy adult videos any more because of the stuff I mention above.It's been said that the porn industry isn't doing to well right now cause people are not buying porn. Maybe it's because of the product being put out that people are starting to wise up and say I'm tire of this crap and I'm not buying any more til I see what I want to see.Also I think the internet may have something to do with cutting into porn sales too. Just my opinon.
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Wow, 1 post that makes sense in a serious shitstorm of bullshit.

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Randomizer
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 11:34AM

1) Not enough emphasis on chemistry and long scenes. The eye contact and signs the girl is genuinely aroused are so important, and so often ignored. I want to see two performers with good chemistry go at it for 45 minutes to an hour, with both of them cumming multiple times, with minimal editing. Match them up right and keep them at it until they are out of bodily fluids.
2) Guys too old for the girls. I don't mind if a girl does Peter North and other Big Name stars, but I prefer scenes where the girl is fucking a guy she would plausibly date in terms of age and looks. There can be exceptions, but the rule should be an 18-year-old fucks a guy in his early 20's.
3) Too much interracial. Same as above -- I don't mind Lex fucking all the new girls at least once, but I prefer same-race scenes for the most part. Again, I'm not saying I'm AGAINST IR, just keep it more of the exception rather than the rule.
4) High-def that doesn't look like high-def. I didn't pay for a Blu-Ray player and Blu-Ray titles to see artsy shit that's had the colors filtered and shot in soft-focus. I want CLARITY in high-def. I'd like to see the highest FPS possible, with accurate colors and contrast.
5) Gonzo with bad lighting. I don't mind if features experiment with moody lighting and shadows, but gonzo is meant to be SEEN, not imagined.
6) Too much anal, particularly direct-to-anal. I like scenes to have anal, but it's a dessert, not a main course. Get the girl hot and sweaty from good vaginal sex and then take it to the next level after they've both cum once, then switch from vaginal sex for the sake of gratification to anal sex for the sake of pushing her limits.
7) Cosmetic procedures. Breast implants almost always make the girl look worse. Botox fucks up her face. Why are wrinkles so horrible? I'd rather see a girl with laugh lines than a girl that looks like she's had a stroke. Duck lips are the worst surgery of all. At least a few boob jobs turn out OK, and botox is temporary. Duck lips are forever, and always look bad.
8) Disappearing cum. I hate open-mouth cumshots and also when the guy gets off an early load and they wipe it off before they continue. The watching them fuck while his first load is still on her tits or face is the rarest and best visual in porn.
9) Guys finishing themselves off or editing out him stroking off. If he's fucking her, he should be aroused by it enough to pull out and shoot his load hands-free. If she's been working his cock with her tits, mouth, or hands, she should be the one that finishes him off. Ideally he would never touch his cock during a cumshot.
10) Weak cumshots. Size matters. It shows she had aroused him for an extended period of time. Guys who work to much to shoot their full load are not professional. What's best is TWO large cumshots, because the first shows she's a good fuck and he's turned on by her too much to control himself, while the second shows they had lots of good sex that aroused him enough to completely refill his tank. It shows he wasn't just dumping the load he walked into the studio with.
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mapofhawaii
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Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 1:39PM

Clam Digger wrote:
mindee wrote:
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Multiple Guys: I like this. I think it is VERY hot. I have had multiple-guy sex in my private life, and would love to do it in performance. I personally don't know any guys who are turned off by this, much less think it is gay. I often see the "gay" label attached to this type of porn here on ADT and on other boards. Also as a woman, I know that I would rather have a 3-some with 2 guys instead of 1 woman and 1 man. While I do occasionally like to be in an all-woman pile, I like the idea of being the center of attention with a group of men.
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You like multiple guys because you are a woman and you naturally don't mind a penis or 3 in scene.
Several of our ADT sisters have posted that they like watching gay porn. I imagine, being the center of the attention of a few guys at once, is a fantasy of more then a few ladies.
However if you are a guy and like to watch multiple guys savaging a single girl, you are gay and or bisexual.
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Ridiculous generalization. I would guess at least 95% of the people who like to watch gangbangs never have a thought about doing a guy. I know I don't. Why then the need for multiple guys? It's necessary to set the scene of the girl as a slut. One on one porn may be fine for fantasies of the woman you love or want to be exclusive with. But when you are watching porn for the fantasy of a nasty, filty slut, gangbangs do the trick.

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Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 12:42PM

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Gangbangs and DPs are the best of Porn!

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BYOB_Kenobi
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Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 2:39PM

just_me, I agree with most of what you said. However, I don't think your observation of "porn has little to do with what most people want, and everything to do with what enough people are willing to pay for." is accurate/applicable in all the cases or even a large majority. Although, I agree your statement that it's a common motive/business model of producers and explanation for consumer behavior, in order to be applicable in a large majority of cases, the industry and consumer demand would have to be much more static. Porn is dynamic just like all other forms of media/art (granted it has some stable tendencies/features).
Although, producers usually and eventually adjust and conform to consumer demand (merely to stay financially viable), any assessment taken at any point in time can be over-exaggerated/over-valued or under-exaggerated/under-valued. If consumer demand was stable all the time, then your statement might hold much more weight with me, but I submit there are many 'bubbles' in demand. Also, the porn industry is always experimenting in their products (esp. in the shock-type porn), so there might be types of porn that producer(s) might be trying to promote (i.e., shove down our throats), even though there is negligible demand for that specific porn at that moment. Then there are the companies who are always behind the curve and reaction to perceived consumer preferences.
For example, although it's hard to argue that there is no demand for heterosexual b/g porn scenes involving the use of fake cocks, my guess is that the supply does not accurately mirror the demand in this case. But who knows, I could be wrong

After reading more of ADT, I think the demand of female performers with breast implants (in b/g porn) does not accurately reflect the 'supply' of female performers with breast implants. I am not saying 1). there is no significant demand for breast implants in porn 2). there aren't other factors involved, just that IMO, there's a perceived exaggerated demand. However, it's hard to quantify this demand, thus difficult to confirm my postulation; therefore, ultimately it's just a personal theory.
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BYOB_Kenobi
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Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 2:46PM

On that note, now is never a better time to demand change from the producers in regards to the power of the purse. Bad economy, 10% unemployment ---> consumers spending less on porn = each dollar spent on or not spent on porn has more impact (theoretically). We'll see if this pans out.
This is my only hope for steering producers in make better porn products.

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Posted - Nov 6 2009 : 4:11PM

to each thier own.
as long as no one gets hurt(unless they ask nicely) it shouldnt matter what thier paticular kink is.
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PornAgain
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11/06

Posted - Nov 7 2009 : 5:19PM

# 11: Using ad nauseum the same guys who have a stranglehold on male roles, especially the ones who control the action and keep the girls motionless and my dick limp. They go through the same routine every time, destroying every scene. Sometimes they're in every scene in the DVD! Worst violators & overexposed: John Strong, Mark Ashley, Lee Stone, Talon, Mr. Pete, Michael Stefano, Mark Wood.
bono-ONE, how can you be blind to this in your reviews? Do you work with/for some of the production companies?

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texanbob
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Posted - Nov 7 2009 : 6:49PM

Why is there so many gay titles on my porn shop shelves & far less Lesbian titles. Doesn't make bloody sense.....is it fictional that girl-girl is every mans dream? Bring on more hardcore lesbian titles, not these lame pussy footing around scenes.
As for Spitting I love Jay Sin's Pretty Sloppy series & welcome girl-girl spitting every day of the week........as for guys doing it, get the hell out.
www.clips4sale.com/studio/26750

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Savoy

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12/06

Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 5:11PM

I would venture a guess that more guys fantasize about a girl taking a cock then licking a pussy.

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duefuss
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Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 8:50PM

just_me wrote:
It's quite simple, porn is made for what the dollars are spent on.
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That's certainly sensible, very logical, and I'm sure it is often true.
Still, the near unanimity of certain complaints on ADT about porn : its unenthusiastic performers, poor or non existent editing, on camera direction, and other often heard dislikes, makes me wonder if many producers even so much as see a connection between the product they make and the money they earn from it, much less heed that connection and stop making what doesn't sell.
I am not talking about kinds of porn, i.e. anal or oral or gangbang or whatever. I'm talking about about the quality of the performances and the direction and so forth.
So much of it is SO bad and continues to be bad and no effort is made it seems to change that and make it better. One wonders if some producers have the first idea how to make it any better.
In light of the apparently dwindling profits in the industry (much of which, admittedly, has nothing to do with product quality), just_me's perfectly sound logic would dictate that porn makers should be coming to customer input sources like ADT for ideas how to get more of our dollars.
That, and they would be trying new ideas, working to increase quality. I'm sure some are doing just this. But mostly what I see is the same old same old.
Just_me should be right. I wish he was. I just don't see much evidence that he is.

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htb066
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11/08

Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 9:32PM

i disagree. i find it boring when the woman is completely naked. i'd rather see her in lingerie, fishnets, etc. high heels are mandatory in my book.
a random list of shit in porn i find irritating:
-directors who don't know how to shoot dps. the best way to shoot a dp is from the side, rather than from the back, where all you see is balls and man-ass.
-Fake "reality porn." Shit like BangBus, where everything is staged, but it's presented as real. God, I miss midnight prowl (back when khan tusion was shooting it) so much. That's the only genuine reality porn I've ever seen.
-I love it when a girl is in missionary and her tits are bouncing. But, surprisingly, it's actually pretty hard to find that kind of content. Usually, in missionary, the girl or they guy's hands are all over the tits, so you don't see them bouncing a lot. I find that really annoying.
-During cowgirl, I like to look at the girl's ass, not the guy's hands all over the girl's ass.
-for some reason, I really don't like seeing a girl's hands on the guy's dick when she's giving a bj. I find it so much hotter when she's just using her mouth.
-european cumshots. they just don't know how to shoot a good cumshot on the other side of the atlantic. the girls are always spitting out the cum, or if it's a facial it only goes on her chin or the guy completely misses. same thing goes for anal creampies- they don't know how to shoot them in europe.
-jake malone's voice.
-why jake malone has the same stupid fucking drumbeat at the beginning of all his scenes. music at the beginning of scenes is completely pointless.
-the totally idiotic plots that brandon iron has in some of his scenes.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 9:53PM

Do you think Khan was actually shooting with dudes right off the street? No way, everyone would need to have their AIM tests. It's as phony as a three dollar bill.

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Dubious_Leftovers
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3/09

Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 10:03PM

htb066
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69 Posts
11/08

Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 10:17PM

you've apparently never watched those scenes before. all the guys would wear condoms- thus, no need for an aim test. you can also just tell from watching it that it's real. fake dialogue is pretty easy to spot.

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BlackSix

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pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world
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Posted - Nov 8 2009 : 10:31PM

I did watch a bit of Midnight Prowl but it was some of the worse porn I'd ever seen and Khan was an annoying douchebag who wouldn't shut up. Plus the entire idea was ripped off from Jamie Gillis to begin with and he did it much, much better.

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Brandon Iron
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Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 10:24PM

So you didn't like the Mick Blue Man Group update at www.covermyface.com then?

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Johnothan Pedak
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Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 11:37PM

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Agent_Zigzag
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242 Posts
9/09

Posted - Nov 12 2009 : 4:27AM

Slapping in gonzo movies not labeled as rough sex films. Putting 4 fingers or a whole hand in a lady's mouth. Gagging until she pukes rather than just out of breath. Not enough kissing in gonzo films. Too much reverse cowgirl. Not enough regular cowgirl. Not shooting cowgirl from over his shoulder to show her face & breasts instead of penetration only. Not enough White Male-Black Female Interracial. MILFS/Cougars who are younger than 30 years old. Not enough tattooed/pierced/"emo"/"alt" porn chicks in mainstream gonzo films not explicitly marketed as "alt" porn.

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TheCuriousDizzle
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91 Posts
11/09

Posted - Nov 20 2009 : 12:59AM

90 percent of you are just listing specific things or activities you don't like in porn. That's like saying the fact that they serve eggs benedict at Denny's is killing Denny's because you don't like eggs benedict.
I'm more bothered by the big things... like the robo-fucking and rote of it. Fucking is supposed to be fun. Even if you can't act worth shit, that's fine. Just enjoy the fucking part of things and let it show.

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datdude
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72 Posts
11/09

Posted - Nov 20 2009 : 5:20PM

I just know what I dislike
The racism in interracial porn
Ass fucking all the time.
Cum shots to the face. Cant guys shoot on the ass or stomach? I hate when the girl is jerking a guy and he has to stand and take it on her face.

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duefuss
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4/09

Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 2:27PM

I type this w/ trembling fingers after the last time the word 'racism' popped up, but what specifically do you mean?
First, there are complaints about racism in porn when it ISN'T inter-racial, now a complaint, apparently, when it is.

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Dubious_Leftovers
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3/09

Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 2:51PM

Hmmm... I can't speak for the poster who wrote that comment, but from my point of view, IR releases sporting such as "Oh No, There's a Negro in My Daughter' doesn't exactly strike me as tolerant terminology.

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Gore Gore Girl

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1/09

Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 3:40PM

^ Yeah, or the girls screaming "Ni**er" while fucking, or the various racist set-ups. Of course, some of these are done in an ironic/subversive way, but I'm assuming the majority are not. I haven't seen much of it though.
To throw in my 2 cents, I will echo what a lot of other people have said here (with an eye on the OP - what's "destroying" porn):
* Lack of chemistry/by-the-numbers fucking
* Disrespectful/degrading treatment of women

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datdude
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72 Posts
11/09

Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 3:49PM

A lot of it plays on old age myths going back to the movie A birth of a nation. White society's ignorent view of black sexuality. A lot of interracial porn prays on this, with crazy titles such as a Negro is in my wife. A lot of it deals with humitation and some sort of superiorty complexes. Just look at some of the videos and websites out there.

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tes96
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3/09

Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 4:40PM

I concur with the OP that men who moan louder than girls are rather disturbing. That and when the guys keeps on moaning and moaning or saying "oh yeah!" a dotrigintillion times in a row.
But all anal scenes and no vaginal are fantastic, in my opinion. But most people aren't extreme anal fanatics like me, so I can see it from their point of view.
Actually, what I think might be ruining the business of porn is the fact that people can burn these DVDs and then upload them onto the internet. That hurts the directors as well as the cast because nobody is purchasing their movies; they're just downloading them for free. Anybody else have the same view on that?

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Abel Semen
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11/09

Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 4:43PM

Since this seems to be an "everyone air their dislikes" thread, some of mine (in the hopes that some directors actually read this):
First, let me hop aboard the anti-spitting bandwagon. Even in a cum-swapping movie, where directors could be sort of forgiven for thinking if you liked one you would like the other, I don't like it unless there's actual cum involved. It's a major turn-off.
Slapping, name-calling and S&M overtones in general, in movies not specifically labelled as featuring rough sex or fetish material. Some BDSM people I've met have trouble understanding that not everyone is into their lifestyle (or believe that everyone *should* be), and it looks to me like this attitude has leaked into mainstream porn in a significant way. I have no trouble with these things among consenting adults but at least in porn that includes the viewer, and you know what, I'm having some trouble remembering the bit where I gave my consent. Personally I sometimes like this and sometimes not, it can be hot if the girls are really into it (Mason's strongest point) but most of the time it's not what I want. I would go so far as to say Private's fetish stuff is better porn for people with *non*-BDSM tastes than a lot of American mainstream titles.
Big fake tits - or for that matter, even real ones beyond about the high end of a C. I think they're ugly. Let me amend that, they often look good under clothes but they're universally terrible once exposed, even if there aren't visible surgery scars, which there often are. Come to think of it, why don't these girls keep their bras on more often? They're almost always prettier than the actual tits and it's probably also more comfortable for them once you start seriously bouncing around.
"Teens" should look young, fresh and cute and "MILFs" should look like someone you'd expect, at first glance, to be somebody's mother. Their actual ages are pretty irrelevant, for better or worse porn is about appearances. (Sunny Lane still makes a pretty good "teen" at 29.) But for God's sake, there's enough girls to choose from that there's no excuse for not adhering to these basic looks, for characters who are supposed to be one or the other.
Tease footage that has more thought and filmmaking skill put into it than the actual porn part. I like the tease footage, sometimes better than the actual sex, I just don't like that it always seems to come to a needle-scratching, dick-softening halt just when it's starting to get me worked up. Why does the music and creative camerawork almost always have to stop just when things are otherwise getting interesting? Not all directors are guilty of this, in another thread there's a fair list of people like Ninn and Adamo who aren't. I'm not saying all directors should be Ninn or Adamo, I wouldn't have, say, Mason any other way than she is, it's the ones who are Ninn or Adamo for three minutes and then (a crappier version of) Mason for 20 that drive me nuts.
I'll post more if I think of more but that's plenty for now. I don't think these things are destroying porn, at least in commercial terms nothing is, but they make it a less enjoyable place for me, and I can't be the only one.
EDIT: Here's one I disagree with many people on, at least some of the time: guys moaning. My last couple of girlfriends tried to get me to do this and when the last one finally succeeded, I felt really awkward for about two seconds then saw the effect it had on her and became a total convert. Anything that gets the girls genuinely turned on is okay in my book, because then their performances will be a million times better, and in my experience the guy making noise often does this.
Edited by - Abel Semen on 11/21/2009 8:22:53 PM

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BlackSix

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Posted - Nov 21 2009 : 9:56PM

Good post Abel, welcome to the forum!

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Ordell
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Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 12:48AM

Nice first post Abel. :)
I have to say, these posts are making me feel like I'm not missing much by skipping modern porn. Pre-1995 stuff plus JAV is keeping me quite content. It's amazing how much American porn has changed.
For instance, what IS the aversion to plain old missionary? It's easy to get a great shot, just position the camera at an angle looking down from their heads, so you look in with roughly a similar POV as the woman, but above her head. You can see all the action, her chest heaving, penetration, etc. But no, every scene I've seen lately is RCG with the guy hanging off a couch in a back-punishing way that no one in their right mind would ever do in their private sex life.
I realize porn isn't reality but does it have to be so glaringly so?

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 4:27AM

Yep. This. I can't count how many times I've been very impressed with the tease and then the rest of the scene is a wreck. WTF happened?

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 9:01AM

Kudos to you, sir!

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duefuss
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4/09

Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 11:18AM

Abel Semen (great wordplay BTW!} wrote:
in the hopes that some directors actually read this.
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They may read our dislikes; who knows? But they sure as Hell don't heed them.

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duefuss
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Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 11:23AM

Thanks, Datdude, for taking the time to be specific. Of course I understand and agree that your examples are indeed racist, reflecting old fashioned white racist assumptions and racial stereotypes.
It is unfortunate that these absurd notions will be repeated as long as anyone thinks they can make a buck from them.

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Ronald
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Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 12:41PM

unattractive girls that are just "filler" ruin a dvd for me

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MrLongStiff
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Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 5:24PM

100% AGREED

I've been saying this from DAY ONE.
P.S
Please pay no notice of duefuss. He's a white racist shit stirer and is a staunch ANTI IR advocate. The funny thing is that he tries to dress up his anti IR crap as an intellectual argument, but he's fooling nobody but himself.

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Abel Semen
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11/09

Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 5:47PM

Thanks for the appreciative remarks, all (especially about the username, it's totally the name I'd pick if I were to be in a porno, not that that's likely!). The remark about missionary made me think of one more, overemphasis on ass/booty shots and generally shooting the girls from underneath, especially when dancing. (In fact, shooting dancing from too close in general is stupid, you completely lose the effect. Note that this problem is not confined to porn directors.) Part of it is that while I love watching girls dance, booty-shaking specifically doesn't do much for me, especially when viewed from that angle. Even if it did, frankly if you've seen one (good) instance of it you've seen them all. But in general I prefer to be able to see the girl's face as much as possible.
The worst has to be a recent movie called Too Small to Take It All, which as the title suggests, features the kind of petite, cute girls I prefer. Only they're constantly shot from underneath in a way that makes them look like they're eight feet tall! In a movie that's supposed to be emphasizing how tiny they are, that's an EPIC fail.

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Abel Semen
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11/09

Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 5:56PM

"I have to say, these posts are making me feel like I'm not missing much by skipping modern porn. Pre-1995 stuff plus JAV is keeping me quite content. It's amazing how much American porn has changed."
Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, though I am finding myself looking to Europe and to a lesser extent Japan rather than America for a large percentage of my porn "needs". And remember that one person's poison is another's ambrosia; for example I *love* a lot of the group sex stuff the OP complained about.
Edited by - Abel Semen on 11/22/2009 5:57:48 PM

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willpillow
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Posted - Nov 23 2009 : 7:02AM

The disappearance of little producers like Mike Hott!

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duefuss
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Posted - Nov 23 2009 : 9:45AM

This is why my fingers trembled.
MrLongStiff believes that only Blacks who agree with him have the moral right to talk or opine on racism. His conclusion that I am a 'white racist shit stirer' [sic]-- whatever that is -- derives from another, locked, thread in which I had the effrontery to be white and to have an opinion other than his own.
Nowhere in that thread did I object to inter-racial porn or inter-racial anything else.
BTW, I don't mind a little name calling, MrLongStiff(your alias referring, apparently, to your attitude) but calling me an 'intellectual'? Now, that goes too far!

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BYOB_Kenobi
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8/09

Posted - Nov 23 2009 : 1:48PM

Ordell, is this the missionary angle you are talking about? Excuse my horrible stick-figure rendering.
I have recently like to see girls get railed in this angle (dude's dick disappearing during vaginal sex). I guess it could be called "Female POV" angle, even though I'm sure it could be considered to be 'gay' by some.

Edited by - BYOB_Kenobi on 11/23/2009 1:49:24 PM

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