I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 11:06AM
Do you have any actual evidence that "LP is at least in some way affiliated with eastern European organized crime and their notorious white slavery/prostitution rings" or are these just more biased guesses?
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 11:07AM
I am posting based on my personal opinions/bias - yes - so is everyone else here. and the people who support LP here are bragging about how hard their scenes, while also insulting everyone who disagrees with them. combine that with the way the women are treated in LP videos, and it paints a pretty obvious picture. Also - I would bet half the people who are LP "fans" don't pay for any porn online at all.
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 11:08AM
What part of the the words "I would bet" did you misunderstand?
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 11:29AM
The biggest insult on this thread by far is your suggestion that LP's fans are "closeted rapist creep[s]." The only thing obvious is that you don't know anything about LP's customers and have no real basis for your generalization about us.And therefore should not be regarded as representative of people who do pay for LP's content.
His source is another European producer who is in fight with LP and is quite well known for making up stories, so you gotta take it with a grain of salt.
sadly I think you are partly right, I live in europe and I've visited quite a few strip clubs (well most are basically brothels with a few girls dancing), it's always the same everywhere, doesn't matter if it's in Spain, Portugal, Greece, Malta it's always eastern european women some ethnic girls too like nigerian women and 95% looks as unhappy as some LP girls do :( and sadly I think that that criminal activity spills on to the porn industry...
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:14PM
I'm wondering where you became confused and thought this was a court of law, rather then an internet message board. You seem to be bothered by the general (albeit clearly obvious) assumptions I make of LP's production standards, and fanbase, based on the actual content they produce, and the location in the world this content is created. I'm not here to present hard evidence of anything because, A: I'm not required to do so, and B: I'm not making any direct accusations towards any one person in particular. I have a general feeling that LP is possibly involved in some form of sex trafficking (based on the look and treatment of the women in their videos), and that going by the reactions of their fanbase here at this board, the popularity of their content is based not on the attractiveness of the women involved, but on it's hardcore/limit pushing/possibly illegal/possibly forced (rape) themes. None of LP's content is about sensuality. or enjoyment. It's about domination, pain, degradation, and humiliation. Their whole angle is "EXTREME". Those scenes are about power, and control, and fear. not about sex, or love or mutual sexual satisfaction. Ask any psychologist worth their salt what kind of crime those themes have in common with this kind of content. Does it make you feel bad inside that I'm saying these things about LP's content, and you're subconsciously worried about your liking of it? Good. It should. In my opinion. you can have your opinion too. I'm sure you think I'm being judgmental and prudish. That's fine. You're entitled to that opinion.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:19PM
Most of the strippers you saw look unhappy, so they're probably victims of sex trafficking? You every right to your opinion, but that's quite a big leap that you're making.
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:23PM
It's not really that big of a leap. It is incredibly naive that you'd give these establishments and situations the benefit of the doubt though, without every having visited them. I believe that's the pot calling the kettle black.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:28PM
I haven't debated that issue with you. If you don't like the lighting used on LP and aren't attracted to LP's performers, that's subjective and I'm not going to tell you otherwise.See, when you're making claims about the fanbase consisting of "closeted rapist creep[s]" and LP being "in some way affiliated with eastern European organized crime and their notorious white slavery/prostitution rings", then you're entering into objective territory. "The women on LP are ugly" is a an opinion, while "LP works with sex traffickers", for example, is a question of fact. It is not subjective whether LP is affiliated with organized crime. Either they are, or not.
Foobachi, just out of curiosity, how many LP scenes have you seen? And in majority of Euro porn the girls feel quite "cold" and mechanical. Sometimes I start to think it is just the way the Euro girls are. USA is far ahead in the professional level and seems there is not as serious agencys in Europe who wants to build the girls career, or girls that want to do it. Besides there is way less porn production in Europe, atleast on the "vanilla" porn front. Most porn producers here are more fetish oriented like LP with anal/DP/DAP and Tainster with pissing/cfnm etc.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:31PM
LOL. Another guess based on nothing. I lived in Europe, albeit briefly, but in any case I have visited a number of European countries many times. I have been inside multiple strip clubs in Europe.
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Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:34PM
giorgio is the way to go at this point. So sick of the fucking white room/sterile filter the other studios use.
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:36PM
Which is why I use qualifying statements like "I would bet" and "they have a vibe of" rather than making direct statements of fact. I don't have hard evidence of anything and I'm not claiming that I do. You can continue to demand it all you like, but again - this isn't a court of law, so I *fart* in your general direction. It's all about the language, bro.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:40PM
Hyperbole and then some. You have not seen all of LP's scenes. To be clear, if I or someone else were to write "All of LP's content is about sensuality and enjoyment" that would also be ridiculous.Not at all.It seems that you predicted my answer based on nothing except your own bias. I am not surprised.
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:41PM
So you know for a fact you visited the same exact strip clubs that other poster was talking about?
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:43PM
several posts ago you were complaining that I was disparaging LP's fans. and you claim yourself to be one of them. but now you're not bothered by the things I'm saying? Make up your mind.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:45PM
You wrote: "people aren't buying their scenes for the quality of the sex or the looks of the performers. They are buying it for the shock factor. The piss swallowing, the enema scenes, the degradation, and borderline gangrape visuals. There's enough of a 'closeted rapist creep' market to keep them afloat in a porn industry dominated by overproduced cable TV friendly vanilla lesbian porn." Where are your qualifying statements there? Also, are you basing your "bet" on facts and actual evidence or not?
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:47PM
question for you misspornUSA: Say some time in the future, LP's owners were accused and subsequently convicted of sex trafficking and forced sex on camera. What would your reaction be? Would you cancel your membership? Would you delete the videos on your hard drive from them in disgust?
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:49PM
Those statements don't need qualifiers because they aren't accusations of illegal behavior. Just observations of the obvious.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:52PM
Nothing I wrote implied that I "feel bad inside" due to your outlandish speculative claims about LP's fans. Neither do I have any subconscious worry about enjoying LP's content. I already explained what I am "bothered" about:
Yes and also because of how the girls' behavior during scenes give credence to that. Rumors from different sides don't just come out of nowhere. I don't see any nasty rumors about other well known companies with good reps.
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:54PM
which leads me to question 2: would you be surprised at all if this happened?
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 12:58PM
Bizarre. In fact, you are making objective statements about why people purchase LP scenes and what the psychological profile of a standard LP customer is. We've already been over this:
MOD: No personal attacks, if you can't discuss the topic at hand without going after someone for their personal views, then don't be a part of the discussion. This goes for everyone. If I have to issue another warning in this thread it won't be as nice.
I can't say that I know for a fact that 100% of them where but it's sadly very common, and the statistics speaks for themselves. This sums it up well https://ec.europa.eu/anti-trafficking/sites/antitrafficking/files/eurostat_report_on_trafficking_in_human_beings_-_2015_edition.pdf
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 5:42PM
^Lest I am misunderstood, I want to clarify: in no way, shape, or form am I denying that sex trafficking is a widespread and very, very serious problem, both in Eastern Europe and internationally. It's a huge issue, and I am not suggesting otherwise. We agree 100% on that. Unfortunately, a correct premise does not necessarily result in a logical conclusion. 1. Sex trafficking is a major problem in Europe. 2. Most strippers in Europe look unhappy. 3. Therefore, those strippers are victims of sex trafficking. I think that we have to seriously look for, and seriously consider, alternative explanations of the evidence (the evidence being that most strippers in Europe look unhappy, which I'm going to treat as true for the sake of this exchange) before we can determine whether or not your explanation is the one that has the highest probability of being true. Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/12/2015 5:44:19 PM
Clearly the legalporno porno is much heavier and aggressive, and even creative compared to the US. They are different styles in general. One point is, that a week of LP production equivalent to one month of several American studios together. Maybe it's the issue of cost of production in america that is too high. Another point is that Europe has less modesty and morality in making the scenes as a triple anal, creampie whit no clean-up, piss, bukkake and blowbangs in differents angles. Europeans have crossed that line a long time ago. Americans are still a little closed about it, even when dealing with porn, not a religious film. But overall Americans invest more in production, they are always changing scenarios and themes. The LP is always that awful white room, that are very disruptive to see the details of the scenes. These bad things some American studios has repeated the mistakes, not the right hits LP (like using a white room type cabin spaceship and taken very approximate). I think Europeans can learn from Americans, and Americans can learn from the Europeans.
Some of those acts Legal Porno does may get you into legal trouble in the States. I assume more girls in Europe start with anal, so it's easier to get more of them to take the next step to DP and DAP.
This thread has piqued my interest in the site - only thing that puts me off is the description of the sterile, white environment. I can't stand white backgrounds in porn but it may just be tolerable to me if the material is good enough. Anyone feel similarly? Actually, I find the use of white somewhat puzzling if the site is, indeed, as hard as is being made out - you'd think they'd have gone with a dingy colour-scheme. Possibly even some sort of dungeon? Something more in keeping with the tone of the content.
I hope the reason is that the girls get paid lot's to do it rather than anything else. But it's a bit weird don't know any US girl who started out doing DAs right away, it does seem to take some practice/"seasoning" for some girls to be able to do it even once.
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Posted - Oct 13 2015 : 5:09PM
Guys it seems like that many of you really don´t know how girls in Europe are. It´s nothing special her that you fuck a girl in the ass on a one night stand. They are more open mindend than most of the US stars. For instance Julie Skyhigh just wrote me on twitter regarding swallowing many loads that is not something she would charge so much more and simply because she loves swallowing. Its so easy.
Legalporno sucks I guess you have not seen sites like Evilangel Hardcoregangbang Hardx I remember one scene from LP this guy had skin hanging off the end of his dick and the chick was sucking his dick just gross that is not hot at all Edited by - DJboutit2 on 10/13/2015 5:31:56 PM
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Posted - Oct 13 2015 : 5:46PM
Personally I think hardcore gangbang is just a waste of time. Can´t find anything hot about their stupid stories and the sex is whack what they are shooting. Girls don´t swallow and the cocks are like toys for children compared to Legal. Oh and a piece of skin on a cock is definitly nothing that happens regulary on LP. To me that´s just a sign that the sex is real and not faked softcore positions like in 90% of US porn nowadays. If you are upset by that then you should probably not watch Jessie Volts latest 3 on 1 : ) To me that scene was a masterpiece ;)
^As opposed to a dry cut dick with a gross deep scar around it? Maybe you shouldn't be that much paying attention to the schlongs though.
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Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 13 2015 : 7:54PM
Not sure what you're implying, given the fact that countless american girls are just as "extreme". In fact, a number of american starlets have appeared on legal porno.
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Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 13 2015 : 7:57PM
I'm seeing a real annoying double standard here. First we have people saying that they think LP is a part of some sex slave ring. Never mind the fact that american stars/directors have worked with LP for years. In fact, erik everhard is currently performing and directing for LP. Then we see comments about "how the girls are treated", never mind that you won't find anything more extreme than what you see on facialabuse.com or kink.net. In fact, a certain scene for kink, comes to mind, where james deen and company, slap the shit out of jodi taylor throughout the entire scene. People....we're discussing porn, lets not suddenly turn into catholic nuns when a site comes up that we don't exactly like. Edited by - Jedi Master Bates on 10/13/2015 8:00:36 PM
One difference that sets Legal Porno apart: their pay model. For a month's membership, a customer gets about 10 scenes (of their choice) plus some free backlog options, but not the whole catalog. In addition to obviously earning more revenue per scene (compared to traditional pay sites), this also would tend to make production very easy from a management perspective because they have access to the very real statistics about which scenes are selling and which aren't profitable, immediately. Couple this with at least some, but potentially inadvertent / indirect human trafficking (indentured servitude), and they will continue to be very successful. Not all may agree, but I believe it to be more likely than not. Realize that this is a crime that thrives in the shadows and the turning of blind eyes. The victims rarely have a voice.
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Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 14 2015 : 1:50AM
First, LP stopped filming pissing scenes almost a year ago. Second, even US porn has fisting in it today. (boundgangbang/kink.com,evilangel productions,etc.) Still don't know what your point is.
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Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 14 2015 : 1:59AM
For fuck's sake people. If LP is guilty of human trafficking, then so are countless american studios who use the SAME FUCKING MODELS. Blanche bradburry, Isabella clark, Alyssa gap, Halona vog, Proxy page, Francheska James, Henessy, Spice, Monica B, Billie Star, etc. etc. have all been employed by american pornographers. A lot of the classic kreme fart scenes on LP were directed by fucking, JaySin. So please, with sugar on top, can we stop with the fucking bullshit hyperbole comments about sex slaves. I realize that we're in the western world and we have to throw everyone who's not us, into a box or else we go nuts. Eastern european owned porn site? must be connected to the russian mafia. Black guy? must be a thug/rapper/ball player. Mexican? must be an "illegal",etc. It goes on and on. Lets try and be mature about porn.
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