There are thousands of hours of video evidence, in existence, produced by LP, where the female performers appear to be in various stages of physical and mental distress due to the extreme sexual actions being performed in the scenes. This could be merely acting on the part of the females, and the distress is not real. Or it could be actual distress, and they could be in actual physical pain or mental stress, to the point where it manifests in their facial expressions and body language. Some people here seem to find pleasure and excitement in watching the female performers in this kind of distress. Others are worried about their well being. I've been warned not to extrapolate anything further from what I see, so I will leave you to your own opinions.
You can say they appear to be in distress which you don't like or appreciate. Personally I find little interest in distress. It was when you were staying that they were being forced to do scenes through trafficking. If actresses or actors had stated such that would be one thing.
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Posted - Oct 16 2015 : 5:42PM
How do you know that? Did you watch thousands of hours of scenes on LP? Did you watch hundreds of hours of video and make a guess based on that? We are back to square one.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/16/2015 5:45:41 PM
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Posted - Oct 16 2015 : 6:31PM
I said that they stopped shooting piss scenes for about a year. You understand that sites don't shoot a scene, then release it the next day.
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Posted - Oct 16 2015 : 6:33PM
I'm not from LP, yet i can't stand watching an ape suit bang girls in a hotel room somewhere. Plus the alleged shit that went down between him and Timea Bella is enough to be done with him altogether.
^The alleged incident with Timea Bella was contrived by LP. So in the Woodman-LP fued you don't take anything from Woodman seriously, but whatever LP claims is enough for you to even be done with a whole company. That's fair.
I'd say that the biggest reason why European and US porn films are diverging now is government interference with travel and work in the porn industry. In the past, a lot European porn stars came to live and work in USA. Katja Kassin is one well-known example, and Sandra Romain is another. These two ladies were the biggest Anal Queens. And there were many more who also performed in anal films. But now US government rules and regulations interfere with such travel and work so much, that it's not really an option anymore for vast majority of European porn stars to come and work in USA. European porn has always been more anal than that in USA. And the only reason why European and US porn briefly converged in the late 1990s and early 2000's was due to a brief freedom thaw at the end of the Cold War. It was like the New World Order. And the US government briefly relaxed its control of the people. But now we are back to the historical trend of more laws and restrictions and less freedom for the people. And another reason for this divergence between European and US porn is the fact that porn-making has become a lot less profitable than it used to be in the past. It costs money to travel and make porn in other countries. It used to make financial sense for US porn-makers to travel to Europe and make some porn-films there. But now this might not be profitable anymore in terms of the money they can make. Edited by - Dan on 10/17/2015 5:46:28 AM
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Posted - Oct 17 2015 : 4:01PM
contrived....hmm....I do remember there being some sort of court proceedings. LP must have some serious juice.
Wow. I like LP and I also like American porn... calling it softcore is just to start a flame war/troll. This thread won't accomplish anything useful. :P
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Posted - Oct 18 2015 : 6:38PM
its just a guy liking the direction of LP.
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Posted - Oct 18 2015 : 6:40PM
nope. I haven't been following the drama. Just some of the comments here and there on forums. Even here, woodman writes it all off as "oh she's dating the owner of LP, so thats why they're lying.". Whatever.
That's a rather evasive response on your part. Ironically enough, the "numbing cream" allegation that Woodman levels at LP nowadays used to be thrown at him and his casting "initiations" in the past, too.
HI After to statistics LP number 1 in Europe before Brazzers and cumlouder the big problem in Europe it does not have good male pornstar there are men who worked 80 to 90 until now wants to work there's no like as in America the youth as James Deen, Jordan, Mr Pete, Xander ...... there is a series of old male pornstar until now wants to work However there is always young girl pornstar that is the big problem in Europe
MOD: Geralt: I have made this clear in this thread, without proof the sex trafficking claims were to stop. You are continuing. So therefore, like I stated in the last warning, give definitive proof. Otherwise I expect you to remove the post. Since from your post I am assuming you don't understand the reasons for this I will outline them for you. Those who are making claims that LP are sex trafficking are making claims that a business is breaking the law in an incredibly heinous way. I have seen no proof just wild speculation. One does not make claims that a company is doing such things unless there is actual reason to do so. This would go for any company someone was doing this to here without any proof. It has nothing to do with a like or dislike of their content. Just the straightforward reason that you don't make such claims against anyone without actual proof.
Girls looking like they're just there for the paycheck is hardly limited to LP...you could indict 80% of the Russian porn output if that's all the evidence it takes, too. And Woodman fans really should think twice about throwing that particular stone, there are plenty of scenes with the paycheck-please vibe on his site, no matter how hard he tries to pretend that all the girls have a grand old time on his shoots. The biggest issue related to that on LP is arguably that they actively seem to foster that vibe with any girl who isn't totally into the action, which often makes for crap scenes. Edited by - shalalin on 10/19/2015 2:47:49 PM
For me, it's the high energy with which the scenes unfold at LP. I don't recall many current or recent American studios even coming close to the exuberance Legal Porno achieves. There's been a huge trend in intimacy and (poorly acted) "lovemaking" in American releases, whereas LP stands firm on intense, wild and anal (nearly) 24/7. It depends on taste, but I really don't care for seeing the soft and genteel in porn. Porn for me is the fantasy, things that most of us won't experience in reality, raise your hands if you've fisted someone or uber gaped them?, seeing crazy things makes it fun! Edited by - andrewstow on 10/20/2015 11:16:26 PM
I completely agree. LP is just wildly out there. If you want lace curtains and fake moaning and couples porn, look elsewhere. If you want fit, hot women doing crazy stuff -- and allowing crazy stuff to be done -- to their orifices, then LP delivers. It is high energy, fun, nasty, graphic porn that highlights the ass, anus, and rectum. It is fucking awesome. This thread proves it isn't for everyone, but for those of us who are into it, there is no other site that delivers as consistently.
LP is far from reepresenting the majority of Europorn , actually the vast majority of porn shot here is a lot less violent , Marc Dorcel is one, Killergram, 21Sextury, Club Sandy, Czech Amateur , even Rocco , if Legal Porno as some stated here are the #1 in Europe is because of external customers.
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Posted - Oct 20 2015 : 7:53PM
Violent? Most of the LP scenes that I've seen are not violent.
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Posted - Oct 21 2015 : 5:37AM
Though I like the double anal,double vaginal,pissing & head stomping scenes,I have never seen a full insertion of dicks in a girl's holes;as one posted in this thread,the males only fuck the girls with the tip of their dicks.The inverse is also true;I have rarely come across any European starlet with great throat skills.Most of the girls in LP only sucks tips of cocks.These are a complete turn off.This holds true for Europe as a whole except the guys & starlets at Cum Louder.
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Posted - Oct 21 2015 : 8:06AM
Giorgio Grande does a lot of their scenes, the guy's been around both as a performer and a director. He started acting and directing in 2002, the guy knows what he's doing. If it's from Gonzo, a division of LP, it's probably GG. European girls tend to look more like the girl next door. Fewer boob jobs, less tattoo's, more willing to do anal and DP work. Their societies seem to tolerate that kind of work better than America. Italy, Germany, France, and to a much lesser extent, Hungary and Spain produce porn, they have a track record that goes back to the 1960's. Gals from the other Euro countries, England for one usually travel to the porn producing countries for work. LegalPorno films the finest ladies that perform in Europe, their fare is as good as it gets. Europeans used to kick our asses in beer making and bread baking. Good beer is now brewed in the US by the craft brewers and excellent bread can be found in almost any store but they still produce better porn that the US. The US porn producers have waned, the dumb-asses in LA County mandated condoms which isn't popular in America so they moved out of the county but the production has fallen off. Florida beckons.
@Budtuley-Euro starlets luck passion & intensity unlike their US counterparts.U'll never & ever found passionate starlets like Ava Devine,Kelly Devine,Raquel Devine,Debi Diamond,Amber Rayne,Tory Lane,Sally D'Angelo,Rita Daniels in Europe.
^ Some of the dirtiest, nastiest girls in porn are (or were) Brits, which was in Europe last I checked. Layla Jade, Sabrina Johnson, Alicia Rhodes, Isabel Ice, The Long 'Sisters', just off the top of my head. Edited by - N00dlesDaddy on 10/21/2015 10:50:48 AM
I like girl on girl anal, and lots of their shoots usually have that for the first 15-20 minutes. I wish they would do more all girl girl stuff. But my biggest gripe is that usually when one girl is on all fours and another girl is attending to her asshole, a lot of the girls reach back with one hand to spread their ass cheeks and always block the shot! I want to see your pretty asshole, not your hand in front of your asshole!!
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Posted - Oct 22 2015 : 1:08AM
It's a matter of taste I suppose. There are many US porn stars I love to watch. If I had to make a list of pornstars I don't like to watch, the American gals, the ones with butchered boob jobs, too many tattoos, and petrochemical hair, would vastly outnumber the Euro gals. As I like to say, One Man's Trash Can Be The Next Man's Treasure. I'm sure a guy who rides around on a Harley has different tastes than mine. I go through phases. I've been pulling down boxes of old VHS tapes from my garage rafter stash, that fare is pre-2008. I've been watching gals like Aurora Snow, Jenna Haze, Claire Robbins, Leah Luv, Shay Sweet, all cute American darlings. I'll get out of this phase soon enough--VHS is a pain-in-the-butt these days. it's been awhile since I've looked at my strictly vaginal sex stash, that's likely where I'll go next, as long as I'm doing VHS, I might get into the Golden Age, I have a large collection of that genre. That little cutie Angel, there was a scene in which John Leslie fucked her like there's no tomorrow. I'll look for that come Thursday.
I completely agree. Far too many American girls act like, well, stereotypical porn stars. Horrible, utterly fake-looking boobs, way too makeup, unappealing slut clothes, cringe-worthy "acting," and (the worst to me) an endless stream of talking, moaning, and yelling that is nothing at all like an actual sexual interaction with a real girl and is just a turn-off. They don't convey "passion" by repeatedly yelling, "yes, yes, fuck yes!" Too many American girls seem like plastic Barbie dolls with fake everything, from tits, to makeup, to "acting." That's why I like LP. The LP girls and producers realize that I'm not there for badly manufactured fake "passion" with a girl who doesn't look a damn thing like a girl I might meet in a bar. No, I'm there to see fit, real-looking girls with natural, hot bodies doing crazy stuff to big cocks with their mouths, pussies, and asses - the more wild, the better. I don't fantasize about fucking a life-size plastic Barbie with industrial tits while she annoyingly screams her head off. I fantasize about working over all the holes of the hot girl next door. And LP delivers, big time.
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Posted - Oct 23 2015 : 2:27PM
Couldn't agree more. I've never heard a woman once, say the words "right there" during sex. They usually do the harlem shake.
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Posted - Oct 24 2015 : 2:51PM
Guys the thread was about the question why escpeciallly hardcore gonzo concepts can work in Euope these days and why not in the States anymore. When you look at US studios they hardly release any gonzo gangbang stuff for about 5 years until now. Has anybody thought 10 years ago that one of biggest US companys like Elegant Angel would have deep troubles and didn´t even release titles for a longer period? Now Elegant Angel is producing again but I think that this example is a proove how weak and powerless actually the US porn industry is after that big shock regarding the big loss of sales volume beginng with 2010. Shouldn´t some studios take a chance and making some brainstorming on how to produce with lower costs and if certain things like the glamour factor of the moives is really needed in these days when they have knowledge how LP seems to satisfy the customer and it is likely that they earn as well some profit with it.
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[Image Violations] Edited by - flash on 10/24/2015 4:20:45 PM
Well those are some of the absolute top female european talent, some of my all time favorite female performers are european; Sandra Romain, Melissa Lauren, Annette Schwarz, Katja Kassin, Sophie Dee etc. has been so good that they even have been able to go over to the US to do porn. So there's definatly a lot of fantastic euro talent. I think it's more about the "bulk" of female performers, I prefer american performers, american pornstars are more diverse when it comes to race, body size and many things more, and it's also the language thing that makes it feel more interactive as compare to some european female performers that can't say much aside from "oh yes" "fuck my ass" ;) Another thing I think is that US girls in general are much better at putting on an act that they like every single thing :P Eventhough sometimes it's appearant that they feel discomfort and putting on an act.
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Posted - Oct 24 2015 : 4:18PM
You can also see an advantage for the performing ladies. If they up to DP, DAP, Swallow or even TAP then Legal is probably the only studio world wide producing such scenes frequently or in fact almost everyday. That means on the other hand that the girls have more freedom and don´t need to shoot every day a b/g or g/g wich are not payed that well in Europe and can focus on some big time events at LP.
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Posted - Oct 29 2015 : 1:52AM
I've got no problem with the opinion of the original poster, ultimate_sperminator, and those who agree with him, but I do find it a bit annoying when guys like him decide to state this opinion as fact in the threads of other studios, directors and stars here on ADT. If you don't like certain American studios because you think they're too "soft" or you feel a certain performer isn't hardcore enough, there's no need to make a snarky post on their threads to state your claims. How 'bout just stickin' to what you like? Three examples of what I mean: Posted yesterday on the Mason (aka. Sam No) Appreciation Thread.Posted yesterday on the Jules Jordan Video-Upcoming Releases Thread.Posted earlier in the week on the ELEGANT ANGEL 2015 Upcoming Movies Thread.
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Posted - Oct 29 2015 : 2:28AM
Plus the curvy goodness of Liza del Sierra, Valentina Nappi.
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Hey MF! Maybe I´m telling the truth and it´s somehow way kind of funny when even the directors (JJ in that case) came up with answers like: USA USA! Isn´t that somehow a way of a irony? Don´t know how old you are or how long you are in interested in porn but for a long time viewer as myself it´s obvious that things are getting worse and worse with US porn industry. I want to add that this is absolutely not what I want! BUT: Do you read posts like Aiden Rileys (contentwhore/evilangel) did on twitter a few days ago? This was his original statement: Unfortunately, I am starting to make more money on youtube than on my website. Has pornography seen its day? Did you read any post of Tim von Swine here on the forum about the current budget situation in US porn? A major company like Elegant Angel had HUGE HUGE problems with a hiatus of directors and to be honest I am pretty sure there was also a huge clash on the financial side of this company in case of how they can go on. They couldn´t even release anything in a long period. I´m glad that they did find a way to continue. Don´t you see there is a difference between US porn these days and US porn back in the days? Why did Jules Jordan release back in the days movies like Insatiable Voyage with Dana and Bobbi, why Everhards (shoots already for LP) Sperm load a day, why Assworship?? Because he thought there is no audience for those titles? Surely not! They did earn money though but it would be a way better endend out if many companys would worked out strategies for a better protection for the upcomming issue with illegal downlaods. But nobody really cared and to myself it wasn´t really professional how directors (I´m sorry Tim :I and studios complained all the time about these pirate issue instead of making a brainstorming how their business can go on. Fact is that this led to a situation where you have now 5 or 6 so called bigger companys in US - isn´t it funny that there are even more "big" companys in those weak days than you had before with the three or 4 big ones? Did that help for a better product? Market is going downward and we have more companys? I tell you something: this is the worst shit ever happend! Cut the smaller cake into smaller pieces? And you guys are wondering why some of the veteran posters here are complaining? How many talent agencies do we have now and how many did we have back in the days? How many models does Spiegler girls have now on his site and back in the days? How is it possible that the company who has the most expensive rates has now more models than in 2005??? Isn´t there something going wrong? US industry should be aware that porn now is just now getting global and I can explain you that in detail: European Union has about 500mio inhabitans now. US has about 320. You can travel in all contries within EU and you can shoot as much as you want in European Union. Flight prices have decreased for about 50% in the last 15 years. London - Berilin = 150EUR / 140 Dollar. People are more open minded to porn here. There wasn´t ever a real discussion in public media how porno should be made or what scenes don´t can be filmed. Another plus is that many females like traveling through Europe and to call it in english: it´s indeed a beautiful experience to discover all those amazing citys and their cultural background. Don´t you think that a veteran performer like Everhard made his thoughts before changing to Europe? And for those one´s who heard the rumors about eastern or european girls: YES they love to wear that sexy outfits also in public! It´s completly common to see slutty outfits anywhere and it´s absolutely appreciated by most communities over the continent to see girls dress pornolike sometimes. Maybe somebody of you does have a LP membership like me. I´ve had ALL memberships that are available on the market and I can only say that the business modell that LP is running is simply amazing. They can literally make a customer buy something with even not to think about it that you are spending there money and that´s what good marketing is all about is. I personally do also not understand why it wasn´t tried ONCE to make HIGHER prices in US for titles that feature gangbangs or swallowing. That didn´t ever happen, and I mean HIGHER prices. I would buy that shit anyway and the majority would do it also. In other words: Brilliant GONZO shots of sex (and that is what they are) will be always have fans und buyers! Otherwise LP wouldn´t even exist!
^ I've checked out the Legal Porno website. And indeed it's amazing to see so many of their hot ladies take anal and DP. They have some real beauties there take on the anal guys. And this isn't just historical stuff. They are adding new ladies and new scenes every month. But the main reason why they are succeeding in their competition with American porn makers is their location. Which is in Prague, The Czech Republic. The cost of living and doing business in Prague is less than half of that in USA, when you compare it with large US cities of comparable size. And most of their ladies are coming there from countries where the cost of living is even less. All of this means is that they can produce porn for a lot less money, than it can be produced in USA. It's much easier for them to be profitable, compared to US-based porn companies. This is the same reason why lot of manufacturing jobs have moved from USA to China and other cheaper countries. A lot of US-based manufacturing companies have moved their production abroad. But US porn-companies haven't done much of that. And that's why they aren't doing so well now. They can't compete against much cheaper cost of porn production in a city like Prague. Some of the best-looking women in porn are in Europe now. And most of these women probably aren't allowed to travel to USA to make US porn movies. Which is another reason why US porn is falling behind. Edited by - Dan on 10/31/2015 10:00:47 AM
Let's not forget that European performers in general don't approach Anal and DP's with the same mentality as US performers. Those kind of scenes are vanilla to them, whereas Western performers hold out to get big paydays, if they ever do them at all.
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Posted - Oct 31 2015 : 3:59PM
There is a truth in both of your contributions but I would like to point out that especially the issue with costs of living isn´t hundred percent true. First, LP doesn´t only shoot models from Eastern Europe. Take for instance Jessie Volt (France), Julie Skyhigh (Belgium), Proxy Paige (USA but lives in Amsterdam), Susana Melo (Spain), Kimber Delice (France) or Mary Wet (Austria). Even performers from UK shoot already in Prague. All these girls come from highly developed countries and surely don´t are forced due to their living standard to do porn. On the other hand Czech Republic has for sure a long tradition in making porn or bringing out girls to the wordwide market and one of their advantages is that they are the middle between east and west of European Union. BUT I don´t think though living costs are cheaper in Prague that this is the major key to their sucess as a gonzo label. Prague isn´t that much cheaper than for instance Berlin or Madrid in terms of how to produce a gonzo shot. Maybe LP have advantages with a low taxes from their government but to be honest do you think that all those little "advantages" can lead to a output that is probably the double of whole US industry now. Think about it: 2 SCENES EVERYDAY ARE RELEASED. How does that work? What will be when they start to shoot other genres like g/g, fetish, bdsm as well? Most of these types of scenes are even CHEAPER to produce than their gb/group focused scenes. Why shouldn´t work those genres as well when they earning already money with expensive shoots? When a girl is pretty and a good performer she will get attention from viewers no matter where she is from. Obviously nodoby in US industry really cares about that businnes phenomenon but on the other hand it´s also clear that everyone who buys at LP is a lost customer for US market.
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Posted - Oct 31 2015 : 4:12PM
And Dan maybe you can give us more inside knowledge on this but I assume that rates for specific sex acts are pretty the same than they were before that huge crash.
^ I found a website that compares the cost of living between countries and cities. And here is the difference in the cost of living between Los Angeles in USA and Prague in the Czech Republic: Consumer Prices in Los Angeles, CA are 75.60% higher than in Prague Consumer Prices Including Rent in Los Angeles, CA are 120.36% higher than in Prague Rent Prices in Los Angeles, CA are 238.61% higher than in Prague Restaurant Prices in Los Angeles, CA are 149.16% higher than in Prague Groceries Prices in Los Angeles, CA are 98.86% higher than in Prague Local Purchasing Power in Los Angeles, CA is 47.58% higher than in Prague http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities The thing that stands out in this comparison is that rent prices in Los Angeles are more than 3 times higher than in Prague. An average 1-bedroom apartment in downtown Prague costs $538 USD per month, and in Los Angeles the monthly rent for such an apartment is $1679 USD per month. Housing is usually the biggest expense for people, and it's one of the biggest expenses for businesses too. When people don't need to spend as much money on their personal expenses, then they can afford to take a smaller pay for their work too. Which is what makes producing porn in Prague so much cheaper than in USA. And of course this smaller pay isn't just for porn-stars. It's for everyone who works in porn production. And everybody is happy about it too, because they have enough pay for their expenses. But besides the cost of producing porn, you also need to look at the local laws that either allow or prohibit porn production. Some other cities might be even cheaper than Prague, but they aren't as welcoming for porn producers and porn-stars to produce porn there. The freedom to produce porn is probably even more important than the cost of production. Because the cost of production is irrelevant, when local landlords won't rent to porn producers and porn-stars, and local police looks for an excuse to make trouble for them, instead of protecting them from criminals. Edited by - Dan on 11/1/2015 5:56:01 AM
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Dan I can understand this, but on the other hand it seems that it was missed to buy attractive objects to avoid renting all the time during the golden years of US porn by the major production companys. As far as I know were also some people shooting in their own houses like Tim von Swine or Jules. (maybe I could be here wrong). Another thing that I´ve had thoughts about is that LP only provides you 1 scene and not a whole movie. Compared to US products LP isn´t even cheap with appr. 10 Euro / 9 Dollar for a scene. When you multiply that with 4 or 5 which is usually the amount of sceness in a whole US movie provided this isn´t even cheap IMO. By the way today were released one DAP and one TAP scene as well on LP ;)
