^You might want to rethink your male-centric statement because there are thousands of pages dedicated to the discussion of female performers on this forum while few if any to male performers. I happen to belong to the group of people who think the male performers are often just as important as the female performers but I do not buy movies based on the male but on the female performer. What I normally do is avoid some male performers because their presence is almost guaranteed to make the scene hard to watch. I'll finish by saying that Veronica left the industry with only 35 titles listed on IAFD while Manuel has 1777. Maybe Veronica's problem is that she had preconceived ideas of what the porn industry is like and what her impact in it would be and then reality hit her in the face and that was the end of the experiment. It's one thing to think that you can get into the porn industry and make hundreds of thousands(let alone millions) in just a few years to then realise that you may be able to earn 50,000$ if you work every few days and are willing to do about anything.
I'm guessing that Manuel is so used to being praised in the industry, that it really bugged him that Veronica was not impressed.
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Posted - Jun 18 2017 : 5:39PM
No. Did you watch the stream? And do you see many interviews from Manuel. He genuinely seems to call it as he sees it. It actually seems more like Manuel shut her down to her face and that prompted her comments about him not vice versa. He is pretty harsh on girls who he perceives to be doing porn without actually enjoying doing porn. Even very popular and objectively beautiful women. That seems way more likely than your scenario. Manuel has been in for 20 years and likely seen and heard it all, I highly doubt he gets ruffled by Veronica Vain's opinion of him.
^^^ So your argument against the porn industry being male-centric is to show how much more successful (according to iafd) a male performer has been vs a female performer? I would think that if it were female-centric it would be the other way around. There would be more demand to see Veronica in x-rated erotica vs Manny. Yes it's true that most of the topics in this forum are about female performers. I'd say that the majority of the girls that we discuss though don't get a lot of love unless they work with the commenters' favorite or acceptable male performers. Porn sells fantasy. The most popular (and therefore profitable) fantasy is that a girl loves dick or being buried under a bunch of dicks. Without the studs there's not a whole lot of demand for seeing the girl. That's what is meant by the term "male-centric". "Twist Your Head Around; It's All Around You"
^^Yeah. He routinely bashes Nicole Aniston. Wonder what the story is behind that since he seems to bring her up whenever he interviews a porn girl on his Twitch channel.
No I didn't watch it, that's why I said it was a guess. I don't really pay attention to male porn stars, but based on how often his name is brought up positively around here I assume he is held in high regard. But my point stands that for a 20 year vet, commenting on a flash in the pan I would think would be beneath him.
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Posted - Jun 18 2017 : 7:17PM
I'm a bit confused by your statement. While I'm not personally a fan of his, Manuel has an 18-year track record in the industry. So I would say that by definition, porn does want him. As for Veronica, I think she could still be performing if she really wanted to, but probably the demand had died off a bit and she just decided it wasn't worth it anymore. Realistically, this is what happens with the majority of girls that enter the industry. As for the industry being male-centric, well yes, of course it is. Objectified females are the product, but males are the majority of customers and males are the vast majority of people that are running the industry.
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Posted - Jun 18 2017 : 7:28PM
Looking at what I just wrote, it occurs to me that there may be different opinions about what male-centric or female-centric mean. There's no question that females are the product (in straight porn anyway) and men are the majority of the audience. Men also largely control the industry, though there are female decision makers as well. So, in that sense, the industry is definitely male-centric. But, women are the face of the industry and on forums like this, women generate the majority of the conversation.
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erik2690 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jun 18 2017 : 8:17PM
But you are making a Manuel vs. Veronica argument into a male vs. female argument. Comparing one of the top male performers all time to Veronica is a weird way to make that point. If you compare top tier talents the females usually make more I believe. That would be like me saying b/c some dude did only a few scenes it means the industry is female-centric. The better argument to be made is that directors are still mostly male I think. That's the gender argument for it being male dominated, but Manuel vs. Veronica just doesn't make that point very well.
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Posted - Jun 18 2017 : 8:19PM
Well he believes she isn't that into the sex which makes him dismiss her right there to a large extent, but he has implied he heard her saying things that made him go from thinking she wasn't a good performer to thinking she was probably a bad person. He's never shared what was said, but he makes it sound like she said something fairly vile that offended him on a moral level.
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Posted - Jun 18 2017 : 8:23PM
I see your point and maybe he shouldn't comment as he does, but he does. It's not specific to Veronica, he has been fairly harsh on other girls and given the reasons. That to me is the difference, Veronica called him negative names while he laid out anecdotes and actions behind why he had negative feelings. I'm not disagreeing that it might not be the way to go, but I honestly don't believe he's just saying it out of spite b/c she said something negative about him.
Revered performer or not, he simply has no place in determining whether Nicole is "into" the sex - I don't see any other male talent openly bashing her about it. Maybe the eagle-eyed fans, who, avidly watch and judge these performances acutely. Even still. They are baseless assumptions about a person. Honestly, Manuel shouldn't be concerned about the "authenticity" of Nicole's career in the slightest. It holds absolutely no bearings on his life or his precious own porn career. According to IAFD, they only worked together once - 2013. From Veronica shitting on him and now Nicole (whose opinion I'd hold much higher), this guy seems like a pompous douchelord. I don't know what Nicole apparently "said" that ruffled his self-righteous feathers, but it seems like he's conveniently using that as a platform to now berate her as a performer. After 7 years in the business - I'd say it's genuine.
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Posted - Jun 19 2017 : 6:20AM
He isn't giving any referendum or trying to get her blackballed. He's answering when asked his opinion on certain female performers, like a minute of time at most. I don't see why he shouldn't judge her as a performer off of one performance together. What's the threshold before he can give an opinion? Again it isn't specific to Veronica and Nicole he's given negative reviews of several women when asked if he liked performing with them. It's just an opinion, but it is from personal experience. Also don't get to caught up in wording like "into sex" that was my phrase and I can't say that's specifically the wording he used. He may have said 'boring' or something to that effect. Essentially lack of passion, which if you listen to Manuel is basically his top priority in judging scene partners. But anyway something isn't exactly baseless if it's based on personal experience. Doesn't make it airtight unquestionable fact, but it's not random spewing of BS. Just to be clear he is asked about this, he doesn't "concerned" beyond the idea he doesn't like what she said in this incident. While you may not agree with his sharing of his opinion it stands to reason not all of the thousands of performers he has worked with are good performers or even maybe people in his eyes.
Thanks for the clarification. My original notion is he went off on a tangent or something. But if he was asked, that's a different story. I mean, I'm not saying Nicole is a hyper-sexual performer, but she's worked with a slew of guys multiple times (Xander Corvus in 16 films!) so obviously something gelled within their performances. Maybe it was just off with Manuel that day and they just didn't like one another for some unbeknownst reason. We'll never really know.
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Posted - Jun 19 2017 : 7:26AM
Exactly. He's been admittedly wrong in the past in his assessments or at least has softened on some people over time as they and/or he have changed. The incident over something said which obviously none of us know or can verify was maybe the bigger negative it seemed from his perspective. But very little info on that. Listen I actually liked Nicole and Manuel's scene together quite frankly, but I think he should be allowed to share his opinion. Like you said some people don't click.
So Manuel has no place in determining whether Nicole is into the sex? Um, he's actually had sex with her! And they are not baseless assumptions, like what a fan would say, he's in the industry and knows what's going on. Finally, you'd hold Nicole's opinion much higher than Manuel based on one thing, you're a fan of Nicole's. That's it. Nothing else
A previous poster said that I should rethink using "male-centric" to describe the porn industry. I'm simply using Veronica and Manuel as an example hence male vs female. But if that offends your sensibilities we can replace Veronica with literally any other female performer in the history of porn. According to ADT Manuel is the number one porn star of all time. Not Nina Hartley, not Tiffany Mynx or Ryan Conner who are all porn legends in my opinion but a male. Which makes sense in a "male-centric" industry. Flipping the argument around (some no name dude "did only a few scenes...means the industry is female-centric") doesn't work because the context is wrong. It would work if the female in your "male vs female" argument were in Manny's position. It would be evidence that there's just not a lot of demand for dudes in porn because the porn industry is female-centric. I'd love to be a porn consumer in that alternate reality. "Twist Your Head Around; It's All Around You" Edited by - love on 6/19/2017 10:09:32 AM
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Posted - Oct 31 2017 : 4:38PM
The whole Wall Street thing was just a gimmick to differentiate herself from the crowd. If I had to bet, she was no more from Wall Street than I am other than she might have had a couple of clients there.
^ Of course, you are entitled to your opinions. But watch a few of her monologues on YouTube and I think you will become a believer. She spells it all out and is, for me, very believable. I find her what I view as honesty, very refreshing. She doesn't sugar anything, and I find her to be right on. I would highly suggest any young model that wants to get into the business at least hear her out. Unlike anyone I've heard before, she get it and shares. If nothing else, she's very entertaining. (Not to mention sexy, because she's so bright and articulate, but that's just my humble opinion.)
She was an interesting performer, I felt that she tried to differentiate herself with the whole wall street backfround, high paid background moving into porn etc. She is a good looking girl and her scenes were always pretty good. Very enthusiastic, particularly in her b/g scenes. Likely had a sell by date with the likes of kendra Sutherland, Alex Grey and Lana Rhodes being the big names of 2017. Her paychecks and staring roles were likely less achievable.
Her Youtube channel does have some fairly entertaining and insightful vids about her time in the industry, and she's gonna try to once again to enter the non-performing side of the business with her own company. Should be interesting to see if that ever happens.
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Posted - Jan 11 2018 : 8:41PM
You mean she's going to start her own porn company? I hope she has the financial backing. It's doable, but not the easiest thing in the world.
^Yeah, she's trying to offer a different type of model and is crowdfunding it and has lined up some people and a business plan. She went into detail and who knows if it goes anywhere, but the idea is intriguing imo.
You can get a feel for my true personality yourself at youtube.com/c/redheadredemptionpaige. Had I been super successful in porn, I never would have pushed my Youtube channel and I wouldn't have discovered how much I like talking to the camera and being funny and trying new things etc. I never would have been able to raise over $200,000 for my porn company idea. I wouldn't be launching it within the next 3-4 months. Honestly, I'm a nerdy gamer chick who plays a lot of mmos and like startup culture, business and entrepreneurship. I was never 'Veronica Vain' and that also contributed to my discomfort. I'm chill and low maintenance and nerdy. Veronica was supposed to some high maintenance buxom bombshell and idk I could never really fully align myself with this "Wall street porn star" milfy brand that had been created for me. I'd really love if you guys checked out this post - https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/im-veronica-vain-i-built-a-better-porn-platform. It'll tell you everything about the company. Cheers. P.S. I'm going back to my first porn movie cup size in a few weeks. Taking these massive implants out. Can't wait. My instagram/twitter is @iampaigej. Edited by - veronicavain on 9/21/2018 8:15:26 PM
I'm a big fan of Veronica's (Paige) Youtube videos. She very informative, honest, interesting and entertaining. I learned a lot of stuff about the industry from her. She's very down to earth and doesn't mind sharing her short comings and flaws.
I just saw this scene today...old or not still a good scene.
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Posted - Sep 13 2019 : 2:48PM
If it's an old scene, it's weird they're only releasing it now
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Posted - Sep 13 2019 : 3:14PM
I wonder what she's up to these days. While I wouldn't describe myself as her biggest fan, I liked her scenes well enough. She had/has sort of a unique look and whenever I saw her in a scene, I would sort of connect her in my head with her online persona, which I find kind of interesting as well - i.e. highly intelligent, ambitious, outspoken, etc. I wonder what happened with that porn platform she was working on.
Hey everyone. I hope you're all having a good Monday this far.
So I was a real fan of Veronica's, she's just really pretty and I love the red hair. I know she isn't active but I never really enjoyed her scenes because she was always quite tame (except for a few scenes where she got really dirty and then those scenes just became 10/10 scenes).
Anyhow, I was going through my archived scenes and I came across a scene I never watched for some odd reason (probably got the movie for other girls) but it's "Squirt in my gape 5) with Veronica and Yhivi. This scene is just off the charts and Veronica really gets super filthy in this scene. The male talent is an idiot but he actually isn't that bad here. It's basically Yhivi doing anal only and Veronica vag only. The thing is, Veronica goes ATOGM a lot and even ATOGP repeatedly.
It is, in my opinion Veronica's hottest and filthiest scene ever.
Just thought I'd give you guys the heads up because you may have missed this scene.
She made some great material, really liked her limited g/g scenes. Got the impression she preferred shooting with male talent. Would be good to see her return, but highly doubtful, plus there are many more youthful.stars who people would want to see ahead of her.
