^ Sounds interesting. I can't remember where I read it now, but a couple of months ago someone wrote an article with that same premise. Tube sites turning porn into a factory farm, increasing in extreme acts, but lacking in diversity or creativity.
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Posted - Feb 4 2017 : 2:35PM
I wonder if the documentary really argues that porn has become "'uglier and nastier' over the past decade." If "content producers, especially on the web, feel they must continually ramp up the edginess of their material in order to capture market share" they have failed miserably. I don't seem them ramping up anything. EDIT: Maybe the doc is focused on Europe? Edited by - misspornUSA on 2/4/2017 2:37:51 PM
^ It's French and seems to be focused on Europe judging by the trailer. Still, I am always a little wary of the "harder and harder sex acts" narrative.
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Posted - Mar 11 2017 : 8:12PM
^Just watched the trailer. It shows footage from Cody Lane's infamous Teen Line gangbang, as well as a brief snippet of Arwen Gold about to do a a scene with four guys. Stoya shows up to express her distrust in Manwin. The trailer concludes by accusing Manwin of being involved in money laundering.
^ Thanks. I like that the impetus is on the government. They really just don't give a shit about what's happening to the industry, but maybe "think of the children" will mobilize them. Of course, they could also use that tactic to go ahead and regulate the industry, putting the focus for blame back on them.
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Posted - Mar 12 2017 : 1:10PM
^I think that Ovidie trusts her government a lot more than I trust mine. Who would be getting involved in the tube site issue here? Jeff Sessions and Ajit Pai? I can't fathom how it would be a good thing for either consumers or the industry for those guys to get involved in porn.
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Posted - Mar 12 2017 : 10:30PM
Angie Rowntree calls Pornocracy a must-see in her review (Flash also provided a link in another thread). She states that part of the documentary's thesis is that "piracy-based tube sites have made adult content more and more accessible during the last decade, consumer appetites are whetted for increasingly hardcore content, thus increasingly hardcore content is made." According to Rowntree, today "we see performers intensifying their work in a similar fashion" to what occurred during porn's second Golden Era.
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Posted - Mar 13 2017 : 7:50AM
I'm not buying that porn is getting rougher, at least from what I've seen, but the doc seems interesting. Funny to see Manwin working with governments to create 'age control' software...
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Posted - Mar 13 2017 : 3:49PM
There should be a Documentary about the DVD era at its best, covering the years 2004, 2005, 2006, with a focus on the classy content that hit the market, having Lexi Belle and others lined up, as in cheerleading roles. There should be a longtime fan making it, not some trend marketing whore having to sell his soul and message to the lost souls of female society full of dickless pornhaters told to be politically correct by some liar that don't really excist anymore.
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Posted - Mar 13 2017 : 3:51PM
There should be a Documentary about the DVD era at its best, covering the years 2004, 2005, 2006, with a focus on the classy content that hit the market, having Lexi Belle and others lined up, as in cheerleading roles. There should be a longtime fan making it, not some trend marketing whore having to sell his soul and message to the lost souls of female society full of dickless pornhaters told to be politically correct by some liar that don't really excist anymore.
On a radio show on the weekend, the head of an adult industry said there was once a government proposal to ban the import of x-rated movies. They said they contacted the prime minister's office and told them they would go through all of their mailing lists, searching for any government officials names. They said it was then dropped as a proposal.
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Posted - Mar 30 2017 : 7:13PM
^I didn't realize that I hadn't written a comment. A customer came in and I absent-mindedly posted without adding my two cents. Now I can't remember what I was going to write. [o\|]
^ I think you were probably posting that here to merge threads. That post is from another thread. Glad you did, or I wouldn't have known about this sequel. I watched it last night. The tone is rather different from the first installment, imo. It felt a little more salacious, with sexy little interludes. It was awesome having Johnnie Keyes on--he is exactly how he comes across in print interviews from the 70s and appears to live up to his reputation as kind of an asshole. I was also very intrigued to see Darren James on there. I always wondered what happened to him, and felt pretty bad for him. I didn't realise he was in cahoots with AHF...makes sense though. It's always a delight to see Georgina Spelvin--as usual, she outcharms everyone. Chasey Lain made me kind of sad, though I know very little about her. Overall, part two didn't feel like a fully fleshed out film in the same way as the first one, and it definitely seemed to have more of an agenda. Worth watching for porn nerds.
Janine is a mystery to me. I've heard interviews with Janine and she seems like she had a good head on her shoulders and was pretty smart but she seems to keep making bad life choices. She was one of the top girls in porn and almost seemed determined to ruin her career. Julia Ann was from the same era as her and was her partner in BLONDAGE and yet Julia Ann thrives and Janine who was the more popular of the two seems to be a mess. A normal person doesn't get that many tattoos unless there's something going on with them. Especially, someone who's livelihood is based around their looks. Janine has said in the past that she started getting tattoos to make it harder for her to do porn but I think there's more going on there. Sad. The Chasey interview was kinda sad too but even though she didn't talk about it porn fans know and understand what happened to her.
Anyone catch the new docuseries, HOT GIRLS WANTED: TURNED ON? It's on Netflix and people seem pretty pissed off. One of the performers who features in it, Gia Paige, is claiming that they promised not to include footage that made her uncomfortable and then went ahead and included it anyway. People are also observing that there is stolen content in the doc. I haven't watched it yet, but apparently episode one is good; then it goes downhill.
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Posted - Apr 23 2017 : 6:31PM
I think I've had my fill of anti-porn propaganda for a while. I'm going to give this a pass. The story from Gia Paige is not surprising, Lindalee Tracy who was the centre of Not A Love Story made a similar complaint. BTW Tracy went on to become a documentary filmmaker of some note herself. Edited by - BlackSix on 4/23/2017 6:31:34 PM
It's very pro-female led porn and very anti anything else. They bathe the companies that feature women solely in charge in light and paint the predictable dark, depressing, harrowing world of male dominated porn as you'd expect. tragic stories of substance abuse and girls being used and discarded. Nothing positive in anyway. Even Baily Rayne is ultimately painted as a lonely girl who needs to drink to get through her job.
Yeah finally watched it and the only insight it gave me was its biased view on Cam Girls and the hilariously Reality TV level of cheese in that Tinder and online dating episode. Its atleast a commendable step forward that Rashida Jones and her crew are atleast seeing some of the positives of Porn and highlighting them. If it was all positivity all the way I wouldn't enjoy it because that would be disingenuous and a piece of propaganda.
I consider the selective way they use their spotlight as propaganda. They choose to highlight negatives, but refuse to show positives from the same arena. It has a barely concealed agenda and as such is just as disingenuous as any attack or pro piece that came before.
I haven't seen it yet but I recognize Bangers's description. It's a familiar route someone takes after being roundly chastized for demonizing an industry. In response they say ok, there's some good porn. Here it is. All the rest is still terrible. No nuanced discussion of the financial limitations of the "good porn" nor the ethical guidelines and artistic vision of the "bad porn." Maybe the series will surprise me but I doubt it. The movie had to add foreboding music and fake stats to convey the message they wanted to send because the women were telling a more complex story.
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Posted - Apr 27 2017 : 12:15PM
^^I wonder if you're not looking for a level of objectivity that does not really exist in documentaries. For me, an objective documentary on porn would look like this: Names of people in the industry are selected at random until six of them (three men, three women) agree to appear on camera. Each is filmed for three work days. The unedited footage is then dumped online. That's objective imo. Once you're choosing specific people you're already thinking about what kind of story you want to tell. Likewise with interview questions. In the editing process you're also dealing with narrative again and things like tone. All of that requires stepping away from objectivity imo.
I liked the Holy Randall sequence. I wouldn't necessary say the film makers intentionally highlighted negatives. The concept that revenue for porn productions is lower since tube sites show content for free and that film budgets are shrinking is a reality in the porn industry. I found that episode very accurate. it showed the passion the producer had for her product but also her struggles to stick to her own high standards while business is gravitating more and more towards fast and cheaper content production. I found it very complex actually and not one sided at all.
Some have mentioned the doc. Fallen Angels from 1985, in which TL appears. Has that been pulled along with her other films before 1987? I know they probably don't show hardcore in it, but is the footage of her tame enough where it is still legal?
I have a copy but I can't remember seeing Traci in it. Meanwhile, there's a British doc that has all sorts of almost hardcore clips in it. The age of consent is 16 there.
Traci Lords was in Fallen Angels but it wasn't recalled because she was clothed in it. She only appears briefly when they show Kristara Barrington and her at the New Wave Hookers premiere.
There is a new pro-prn documentary that has been made. Its called Some Pornstars Go To Heaven and it focuses on Blair Williams. I'll have more details soon in an interview I just did.
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Posted - Jul 6 2017 : 5:39AM
Okay so this one I have for you is not about porn in general, it is James Franco's direction for the Kink.com and the movie is awesome. For the first time I really understood the whole concept of BDSM and torture, it gives a nice and clean insight into behind the scenes, how are actors prepped, how it all looks and works, or in some examples doesn't work. I really loved the movie. There is this part when they have asked the dominatrix who previously said she had a son and a daughter, what would she do if her daughter went into doing porn, and she started crying, saying that within the industry there are a lot of lost souls and that she would never want her child to be a lost soul, it would mean she failed as a parent and she strongly fights that it never happens. Edited by - killbillvol69 on 7/6/2017 11:49:44 AM
Party's Over, The - review by Sean DPS
Posted - Feb 4 2017 : 2:27PM
I really loved the movie. There is this part when they have asked the dominatrix who previously said she had a son and a daughter, what would she do if her daughter went into doing porn, and she started crying, saying that within the industry there are a lot of lost souls and that she would never want her child to be a lost soul, it would mean she failed as a parent and she strongly fights that it never happens.