I'd rather hear a girl say, I'm not into black men, To me that closed the deal, and I know where she stands and I CAN RESPECT THAT. Sidestepping, and being weak minded shows me that you lack the intelligence to make a choice, so it's better you follow the crowd. 95% of the top females do, or have done IR. You can't name a guy that has refused a black girl in the biz. It's racist, it's hypicritical, and foolish.

I might sound angry, but I'm not. I loved Krystal Summers before she did Sean Michaels. I met Sid Deuce and she was cool. I enjoy watching stars that don't do IR. At the same time it's better to stay Low Pro, than grandstand and play the race card.

I know girls that tell guys, I'm busy, or something came up instead of telling the guy they aren't interested. We are adults, not 16 grow up and be honest. It's the lies that burn me up,and that's why I'm still glad Lex called bullshit on old girl. That was his way of saying "You ain't gonna use me to tell your lie".

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With IR the racist card is sometimes played which really ticks me of.

Those girls that want to fuck black guys on screen should do so, those that don't shouldn't. It's not for me or anyone else to decide.
I don't understand why it should hurt their careers to do it though.
I don't watch she-male videos, but I still like to watch Jessica Darlin who has done at least one scene with a she-male. Makes no difference to me.

There's a similar thread here.
From that thread:

I'm white. I'm not against IR. I think (nearly) all of my favourite porn girls have done IR.
I rarely watch BM/WF IR.
In scenes with multiple guys I don't care whether one or more are black, asian or american native. It makes no difference whatsoever.
In a scene with only one guy, I prefer him to be white. I'm not sure why.
It's just like my preference for 100% nudity. Lingerie is a slight turn-off for me, though I can't explain why.

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White guys may hate it but they all watch it even if they're against it.

Incorrect. I refuse to watch a scene if a black guy is boning a white, latina, or asian chick. The only acception was in a movie I saw where the black guy was so light, he looked white!

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For the same reason I think I would enjoy porn more if the male stars had normal size dicks.

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What do you dislike about watching black males?

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People have attractions to only blondes or only fat or barely 18, or blowjobs comps or only anal, or must be wearing stockings, or whatever. Usually it's some visual thing and they don't necessarily know the origin of their preferences and fetishes. It's sort of sweet when some guy is practically begging for a scene of cum on the girl's well-manicured hand. Who knows or cares or asks why he has to have it.

I think a lot of guys like to be able to imagine it's their dick. I'm sure there are black men who buy all-black dvd's.

By the way, a porn performer told me that some of the girls don't do black men because the black men have passed more venereal diseases (chlamydia and gonorrhea were mentioned). Don't blast me for that -- I'm only passing on what I was told.

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Personally I think color makes the world beautiful, so I like wo/men of all color and ethnic backgrounds.

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I dislike watching black males because I'm not black. It kills the fantasy instantly. They're also much louder IMHO (and I don't want to hear man moans and groans)

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I guess your mother never told you, "It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

Either way I could care less, people should work with whom they chose, but like we used to say on the streets. "You ain't got to lie to kick it!"

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I personally have a tendency for Asians and Latinas. That's not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule. Shit, if you see my videos, they are always heavy on these two ethnic subsets. Why? Because I personally like them. Maybe cause I was surrounded by white people all my life.

Everyone has a choice. Don't they?

Chico

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The hygeine or dick size of the male may be a concern, but his skin color shouldn't. Porn is a business. Basing decisions on race in a business only encourages racism within a given industry.

If the claims used in porn to validate why a particular white girl won't sleep with a particular black male were used in mainstream companies it would be disastrous. White exec of company X, "I didn't hire the black guy because I felt my white workers would be uncomfortable with a black worker in their midst." Do you think that is fair treatment?

The fact of the matter if the guy can give you a good fuck scene, then his race shouldn't matter. Simple as that. If it does matter, then you are a racist. Porn companies creating porn to please racist bastards is bullshit and Un-American.

As a Native American, you should understand that. How would you feel if you were a working porn star who could bring the heat like all the other white guys in the business, and they didn't hire you solely because you were Native American? Is that cool? Or are you basically going to say, "Hey, this company is racist. That's cool?" IS that your stance? You think racism is completely acceptable?

BTW, I'm one of those people who are supposedly born of an "inter-racial" union. Guess what, I'm 100% human being first and foremost. I never looked at my mother and father as different races like people who apparently think there some kind of pure breed. Bullshit racial nonsense created to keep people divided and conquered.

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A black guy is a man with dark skin, period, end of story. The stigma of doing a black guy comes from a racist society.

If girls said they aren't very attracted to black guys in their personal life, I wouldn't bug them. Porn is a business. I have alot of trouble believing a girl won't be attracted to a particular guy because of his skin color unless they are racist.

A guy like Franco Roccaforte, Brian Pumper, and many other guys are as well built if not moreso than alot of other guys. They are decently endowed and can get down. I see no reason why some white girl won't sleep with them except for some racist hang up.

Let's be real. What you prefer in your personal life is one thing, but what you want in your business life is another. Racism in the porn industry shouldn't be encouraged or allowed IMO. It isn't in other businesses, and if porn is a business, it shouldn't be there either.

Doing a black man or a man of another race isn't the same as doing anal or double penetration. That is some serious bullshit comparison. Black men are not some outsider freaks that will somewhat contaminate the white pussy.

I guarantee that some of these porn girls that won't sleep with black guys have slept with some ugly ass white dudes who aren't particularly well-endowed. It's just unbelievable the level of acceptance of racism in the business of porn by fans and companies alike.

Edited by - Blue Sword on 9/11/2004 4:17:55 PM

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Porn may have nothing to do with love but it is physically intimate, and nobody should be coerced to do anything they don't want to. Not by directors and not by fans.

Porn is a business, but that does not take away the freedom of individuals to make their own choices.
Not in my job, and not in porn.

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Does it make me a racist if I've personally never slept with a black woman and doubt I ever will? I'm just not into them. Don't get me wrong. If Beyonce came up to me and asked me to fuck her in the ass, I'm probing her colon in an instant.

But does it make me less of a racist because I shoot black girls or shoot interracial scenes with black guys and non-black women?

Girls have a choice to work with whoever they want. After all, it's their pocketbook.

Yes, often times it may be due to racism or maybe they're not attracted to them or maybe their parents will have instantaneous heart attacks or they're from the Deep South and they know they can never return to their communities or whatever the fuck.

Who cares?

If you don't like girls who don't fuck black guys, don't buy their movies.

You have a choice too.

Chico

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I do find it funny that some pornstars say they are not attracted to black guys but they have no problems fucking players from the NBA.

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Skin color preference is no different than any other sexual preference, and unless I hear someone make a racial slur, I think it would be presumptuous of me to label anyone a racist.

I also think it's only natural for a white male to relate better to a white penis, but it's not like there aren't plenty of IR series for fans of that too.

Affirmative Action porn? What about the Handicapped, or the AARP, why aren't they represented? Where does it end?

"I find it offensive that there aren't more Asian men degrading females in porn."
posted on ADT by JL

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I just keep hearing about preference and attraction.I know there have been plenty of porn girls who have fucked unattractive white guys for money. Am I wrong?

Attraction and intimacy don't have much to do with it. If I didn't watch enough porn with girls basically straight fucking one or more guys in a less than intimate manner, I might buy into this idea. Porn is not particularly intimate. I don't believe the girls spend alot of time before they get fucked building some kind of relationship with the guy. Sounds to me from your various rantings on Lukeford.com like the girls are booked and then shoot. Some have lists of guys they will work with and some don't. Maybe over time they develop a relationship, but not from the get go.

Every reason you listed for a "no black guys" policy is grounded in racism whether it's direct racism by the individual woman or indirect racism by the parents or agent.

A black guy is no different from a white guy except for skin color and slightly different facial features. All black guys don't look alike either, so I don't buy the "I can't find one black guy that is attractive."

I generally do chooose not to buy films by girls who don't sleep with black guys. I don't rent Digital Playground films because of what I've heard about the company. I definitely do choose with my pocketbook.

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Why the hostility? You vote with your pocketbook. Meanwhile, I'll keep shooting these 'racist' porngirls and pair them off with white guys.

By the way, I know a handfull of guys that avoid working with black girls as much as possible. You want to go on a litany against them too? It's a job isn't it.

If a guy doesn't want to work with a black girl, I'm not hiring him for a scene with a black girl. You know why? I'm asking for wood problems on the set.

Don't buy their movies. It's as simple as that.

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Fucking personal life. Alot of girls dont' do DP's and gangbangs in their personal life, but they do it on camera. There is plenty of acts a porn girl probably doesn't do in their personal life that they will do on camera. Give me a fucking break.

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"You don't always get what you want, but if try sometime, you just might find, you get what you need."

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I'm just saying call it what it is: a racist hang up on the part of the girls and guys. It's such a bad word in American society that they can't stand to be labeled with it. So you sugar coat it with "personal preference".

I thought you weren't much of a sugar coater.

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Then again, I know some girls that fuck black guys on the side but won't do it on camera because they live in some community in the South. That's not racism.

Again, I'm going to shoot these girls regardless.

It's funny. I was shooting a scene for Meatholes some time ago. One girl, (I won't mention the name) was asked why she doesn't do interracial scenes. She flat out came out and said, "I don't work with niggers". Now, that's pretty cut and dry case of racism. She's actually a good friend of mine but I find it funny how open she is about it. Pretty sad too.

One thing I find pretty funny is that when a girl says she doesn't do Interracial scenes, it only means she won't work with black guys. Not any other ethnic group. Now if a girl won't work with Sledgehammer but will work with the Minion, you know there's some problems.

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Why should any performer be obligated to justify their choice of partners?
And why only when it comes to race? What about gender?

Are the girls who won't do lesbian homophobic?
And the lez-only girls heterophobic?

Should e.g. Steve Holmes and Eric Everhard be required to bum-ball eachother as not to offend the gay community?
"What's the difference Steve? An ass is an ass. You're already rubbing stick with all the DAP's you're doing."

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home of Ivan's Erections

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And someone said I was racist. First, let us look at the definition of being racist:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I have black (guy) friends! How can I be racist?
I follow none (or agree with) any of those. And I've fucked (and loved every minute) girls of many races: Asian, white, latina, and black. I'm a white guy. Porn is a fantasy. If a guy in the film is black, the fantasy instantly ends and throws me back into reality.

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Oh, I have Black friends.
No, there's only two races in the world. Good people and bad people.
I'm not racist. I love everyone.

Who gives a flying fuck?

I'd much rather deal with an honest girl who says she doesn't do Interracial cause she hates black people, than some PC girl saying she doesn't find black men 'attractive'.

It reminds me when I was in college and there'd be some Black guy I'd be debating with. Because I didn't believe in his belief system, he would resort to calling me a racist (which usually makes white people squirm). I'd tell him that I'm Asian, you cannot put me in historical context with whitey, and if I'm a racist, you're a blithering idiot.

Calling someone a racist only works with white people in America.

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"Calling someone a racist only works with white people in America."

That is just an insipid comment right there.

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Umm, OK. Maybe you shouldn't bother commenting on posts that don't interest you, Spew.

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When I say that calling racist only works with white people, I don't think that's anything new.

I'm Asian. Any idiot can call me a racist all day. It doesn't have the same sting as it does to white people who'll spend their next 30 minutes on how they're not racist especially at the University level.

I'm not talking about people on this board. Yes, there are racists in the female talent pool. After all, it is a microcosm of American society.

I think I originally wanted to blab about how the term racism really only affects the opposite of black color.

It is a standard tactic amongst non-whites when they have a problem with a white person to call them racist. The entire nature of any disagreement changes. And it's funny to watch the white person squirm. I've used it to end debates. But at the same time, it shows a serious ignorance by the name caller as well.

Chico

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I have a huge crush on Justin Slayer. I've said it pretty often here on the boards.
But there have been times when I've been watching his DVDs that I wonder if I was still performing, would I be able to handle a scene with him? As far as I can remember, Sean Michaels had the longest dick of the guys I fucked. And when he fucked my pussy, it hurt because I have a really shallow pussy. So I would switch the scene to anal at the first chance. Luckily Sean wasn't too thick, so anal wasn't a problem.
On camera, it looks like Justin's probably as long as Sean. But he's thicker, which would make it more difficult to switch to anal so early in the scene. Now throw into the mix a director asking a girl to do a DP with two guys who have dicks as big as Justin, and she might be a little nervous if her body can handle it.

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pocketcomb-i'm impressed with a few of your posts simply because you managed to say something that's pretty much true without the intimidating undertones almost every other person saying the same thing ends up using. the accusations and hostility that IR threads regress into are going to frankly cost the industry talent since after seeing some of the vicious crap, what girl wants to enter that line of fire? they'll stay strippers, flip burgers, whatever...and plenty of them won't be racists, just not into being hunted as a witch.

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What I do not like is people who are so fucking reviled by black people that they can't get wood or fucking can't have sex with them while having sex for money with the likes of Max Hardcore or Ed Powers or for a guy with some unattractive girl. That means you basically find black people disgusting for some reason, which is motivated by some deep seated racist bullshit streak. I would be money that it often affects how you will treat black people in just about any environment.

I have more than a few friends like alot of the males and females posting on this board. They claim they aren't racist, but just don't like black girls. They also can't explain why they are uncomfortable around black people and why they can somehow tell the difference between "A nigger and a blackman." When they only thing they really can't tell is that they are insecure racist who actually holds within them alot of preconceived notions about black people. I just have to shrug like I have to do here.

I do get a little sick of people sugar coating what is going on, which is nothing more than old-fashioned racism. Comparing fucking a black person to anal, double penetration, and homosexuality just goes to show how extremely prejudice some motherfuckers can be. When having straight sex with a regular man or woman with dark skin and slightly different facial features is viewed as some kind of strange sex act like anal sex, double penetration, and homosexuality, then you definitely have some issues with racism towards blacks.

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There are plenty of white people who aren't racist in this country. Then there are plenty who are racist and don't even realize how racist they are. There are some who aren't racist who react to the racism of others. There are plenty of racists of other ethinc groups who can't stand to see a girl of their ethnic group with a guy of another ethinc group be he Asian, black, or white. Not much can be done about it, but I do prefer they be out in the open with their bullshit. It's easier to deal with.

Anyhow, I'm out. Glad to see your prospering as a director. I always enjoyed your rants on Lukeford.com even if I didn't always agree with them. They were amusing.

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As one of the only Asians in the business in the production side, I simply don't see it or feel it. Usually depends on who you associate with. I don't follow the standard Asian stereotype of being quiet and unwilling to speak my mind either, which tends to afflict alot of my yella counterparts.

Then again, I'm not one of these angry ethnic groups who find racism in everything they see. Who gives a fuck? It's one less worry on my plate.

Chico

Edited by - Chico Wang on 9/12/2004 3:57:30 AM

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