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| joeblow123321 Member 319 Posts 11/09 |  Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 2:18PMI don't totally get why a porn chick (someone who's been in the industry for a while) will go out and get a boob job. It seems these days that most every porn chick with 30-40 titles under their belt is totally tied into the various internet and social network communities... yet these same communities and forums seem to be fairly uniformly anti-boob job. Generally (and I know this doesn't apply to everyone), it seems like the responses are like 90% out and out hatred of them versus 10% saying "They're ok, I guess." I understand that they do it because they feel they will make more money somehow, but even a cursory exposure to the internets would seem to make it clear that they will be turning off a huge part of their audience. As you can imagine, I'm in the anti-camp... I can come up with on one hand--actually one finger--the number of boob jobs that seem to improve a girls' appearance (Hillary Scott), but other than that they are almost uniformly bizarre and appalling. Any starlets care to weigh in on why either you, or fellow starlets, would get implants? [Link] |
| Ashlii Member 809 Posts 8/11 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 2:44PM Edited by - Ashlii on 9/6/2011 2:44:57 PM [Link] |
| shalalin Senior Member 1736 Posts 11/07 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 2:45PM Brazzers managed to become one of the most successful online porn sites with a specific focus on big and mostly fake tits. (And then their owners went on to seek world domination, but that's a different issue...) Anybody who believes that fake boobs don't sell is deluding himself. People who enjoy them simply don't go online to complain about how there are too many models with natural racks, unlike their counterparts who are responsible for the 90/10 split you've observed. Edited by - shalalin on 9/6/2011 2:47:05 PM [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 3:00PM Edited by - ninja1 on 9/6/2011 3:23:12 PM [Link] |
| joeblow123321 Member 319 Posts 11/09 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 3:29PM I'll see girls be active participants in forums (like AdultDVDtalk) where people will go on for pages praising a girl for how perfect she looks. And of course their twitter feeds are full of that as well too. This all has to be good for the self esteem! So when they turn around and get a boob job, it feels to me like it didn't happen quite in the vacuum that it might have in the past. Literally they get to read tons of comments and thoughts every day from people telling them how perfect they are and how much they love them... to some extent I would assume they'd take this stuff into account when the got the boob job. My totally proof-free assumption about the past was that girls didn't have as much exposure to the thoughts of the fans, so they were pressured by producers and agents to getting it done. But all that said, I don't disagree with Ashlii at all. It absolutely is the girl's life and she can definitely do what she wants. I'm just trying to parse through whether it was a purely economic decision based an a perception that they will make more money, or whether it was a personal decision that would simply make them happier... (and whether in the age of the internets that the drumbeat of skewed opinion was any factor at all that affects a decision to perhaps NOT get a boob job). [Link] |
| 10000 days Deactivated User Keep on trolling. What a bullshit! Im fucking unstoppable now ... 717 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 3:53PM Rich hobbyists demand the barbie doll look. They make a lot more money from dancing and escorting (not saying all are escorts). [Link] |
| RedDevil87 Senior Member 1044 Posts 4/11 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 4:00PM Girls often get more work when they get big tits. Look at a site like Brazzers, which was already mentioned in the thread. They book girls a lot more often if they have big tits, and while some dislike it, there are just as many if not more porn fans who love big tits whether they are real or fake. Edited by - reddevil87 on 9/6/2011 4:01:19 PM [Link] |
| His Dudeness All Business Shut the fuck up, Donny!! 2793 Posts 4/10 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 6:01PM [Link] |
| alphadachs Member 475 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 8:27PM Still, they are one of the main reasons I buy almost no contemporary porn. Total, total turnoff. [Link] |
| VandalSupreme Member 16 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 9:07PM See what I just did? [Link] |
| Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 9:58PM As much as I dislike the look of implants, I can't get too worked up about them when there are plenty of performers who stay natural. It isn't that hard to avoid the performers I find unattractive. [Link] |
| angryassdrummer Member 559 Posts 3/11 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 10:08PM i much much much prefer them infact if say, there are 100 stars i like, id say 5 or 6 are natural the rest all boob jobs. you might hate them, if you do just watch stars who dont have boob jobs...simple [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 10:13PM [Link] |
| Ashlii Member 809 Posts 8/11 | Posted - Sep 6 2011 : 10:13PM [Link] |
Jman5245  All-Star Member flickr.com/jman5245 5764 Posts 5/09 | Posted - Sep 7 2011 : 1:36AM The biggest problem with girls getting boob jobs is they get poorly done boobs (see Angelina Valentine) or they get huge implants that are too big for their body. If more girls would spend the extra money for a top notch surgeon and select a size proportionate to their body type, complaints about girls getting boob jobs would drop dramatically. [Link] |
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| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Sep 7 2011 : 12:04PM Then of course there's the fact that implants is just the tip of the iceberg and many of these grils laso get some work done on their face. In the end you have a performer that barely looks like she did when she first started. [Link] |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Sep 7 2011 : 1:19PM Porn lovers buy/rent an awful lot of product they don't care for in order to find the few scenes/girls we value. Porn companies all seem to conclude that means we want more-and-more of the content we never wanted in the first place. And, so it goes. Bad boob-jobs... Excessive ugly tattoos... Excessive piercings... Anal, anal and more anal... I think if they're doing this to appeal to a new "younger" generation of porn consumer, it becomes self-defeating. As a rule, the "Internet Generation" doesn't pay for anything. Which, oddly, brings us back full-circle to niche and genre porn. I'm sure there is a market for "fake boobs," even though I and the vast majority of ADT posters generally don't like bad boob-jobs. However, the porn that actually sells (i.e. sells predictable numbers to produce good return-on-investment) -- and consistently makes money -- are the really niche and specialty items, because those fans BUY that product. Back on topic, sort of, another reason I think fans (i.e. not casual consumers) don't like boob-jobs, in particular bad boob-jobs, is because we fall for a girl and love the way she looks. We become invested. When she changes that with a boob-job and/or starts adding tats, etc., we just don't like it. In any event, there are so many reasons, pro and con, why girls get/don't get boob-jobs, and fans like/don't like/tolerate them, that we will never be able to understand it. One thing that I am pretty certain of, however, is that girls involved in the sex industry -- pornstars, strippers, escorts, showgirls, Vegas-style waitresses and bartenders, etc. -- are primarily getting boob-jobs because they believe they will enhance their earning power (more so than the personal vanity issues often mentioned) by doing so. Therefore, it is our job to convince the girls to leave 'em alone  Now that I have expressed an opinion, please feel free to viciously flame me, regardless of which side of the issue you favor. Bonus points will be awarded for those managing to include an specific example of (i.e. [righteous-indignation] so-and-so did it because of ____ [/righteous-indignation] ) and/or opinion that Goldstein was too stupid to include and explain to your 100% satisfaction  [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Sep 7 2011 : 9:06PM I always think it's strange that people can't simply dislike something without feeling the need to rationalize in their head that most other people feel the same way they do and that what they don't like doesn't work. From what I see there's no strong evidence to support that getting a boobjob doesn't enhance earning potential in any part of the sex industry. In fact, the evidence that out in plain sight suggests the exact opposite. I find it hard to believe that the girls who are actually in the industry and actually see the results first hand are somehow wrong and guys who have boobjob hang-ups know what works for them better than they do. It's perfectly okay to not like boob-jobs. But trying to convince yourself and others that there's no up side to them for the girls and that the vast majority of guys don't like them just doesn't fly because it's incredibly clear that isn't the case. Nothing with that sort of negative reaction would've lasted this long and continue to flourish if it were true.You guys need to step it up then because you're losing the battle in a spectacular way. [Link] |
| Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Sep 7 2011 : 9:50PM ----Dread---- [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Sep 7 2011 : 9:57PM How many girls can you name that got implants and did plenty of work afterwards? Now it's true that many girls with implants are still working but didn't most of these girls come into the biz with them so they didn't have a fan base that prefered them with their natural breast. This is not the only forum I'm a member and I've yet to see where the majority of posters are for implants. At best you have a group that's indiferent on the subject and may still buy content even after the girl gets the implants but the bulk are like me and simply can't watch the girl anymore because it really isn't the girl that you thought was good looking. Mind you part of the problem for me is that the girls that get implants often get work done on their face and that just adds to the problem. [Link] |
| angryassdrummer Member 559 Posts 3/11 | Posted - Sep 7 2011 : 10:33PM if you dont like implants at all dont rent/buy her dvds rent natural only titles. i personally love thin women with implants, find it very hot. there are plenty of women with natural breasts of all sizes in porn. i am the same with tattoos, i cant stand them. everyone seems to have them now, but once a star gets too many i just dont spend anymore money on her dvds. simple. problem solved i can understand peoples disappointment when they are a fan then they change...ie tattoos or breast implants. but in the end its their body their life they can do what they like. [Link] |
| Drebin Member 686 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Sep 7 2011 : 10:50PM Edited by - Drebin on 9/7/2011 10:50:49 PM [Link] |
| joachim Senior Member 03 12 15 16 18 04 07 13 18 2285 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Sep 7 2011 : 11:41PM [Link] |
| joachim Senior Member 03 12 15 16 18 04 07 13 18 2285 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Sep 7 2011 : 11:56PM [Link] |
| angryassdrummer Member 559 Posts 3/11 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 12:12AM i love fake boobs, that will never change. i will always buys porn based on women have fake tits, its much much more appealing to me. [Link] |
| Lord Lucifer Deactivated User Sins of the flesh 1378 Posts 7/10 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 2:12AM Audrey Bitoni's #1 Fan [Link] |
| Hisk3000 Member What's all this, then? 29 Posts 7/11 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 3:43AM If these women were not in porn, would they still be getting fake boobs? I don't live in LA, NY, or Miami, so my perspective may be a bit skewed but I only know a handful of women with implants. I know about half as many that have actually had reductions. The ratio of implants-to-naturals in porn is without question higher than elsewhere. I am a male porn viewer and I'd say the majority (80%±) of my favorite starlets are mostly all natural. With that said, boobs are boobs. But there has never been an instance where a starlet's bust increased and I've thought, "OK, NOW I have to check out her scenes...". That's not to say I write off a star after she's gone under the knife, either. But I do scratch my head when she had pert B-cups to begin with. That is just me. Different strokes... My take on fake boobs? They are good for the casual porn viewer. Eye-candy for the mass-market. The same viewers who can barely name names (i.e. they probably aren't contributors on ADT). On some level, I do think it works and therefore implants are good business sense for parts of the industry. And, as evidenced by this thread, there are folks who just plain like 'em. Not to completely undermine my previous statements but I do think some boob-jobs warranted. Plenty of fake boobs look great when not overdone. Plenty of them look great on cocktail waitresses in mini-dresses, too (and that's why their tips get rounded up). One of the paradoxes in porn seems to be that sometimes implants tend to look a bit off on the girls who need them the most. To me, they look better when the implants are more discreet (i.e. smaller) and the woman has something up top to begin with. Edited by - Hisk3000 on 9/8/2011 3:46:00 AM [Link] |
| danl Member 436 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 5:24AM For, imho, and perhaps we breast fetishist were weaned longer than normal, if a woman, no matter how attractive facially, looks from the side like some "barely budding" 11 or 12-year old child--FORGET IT [Link] |
| rimmersclone Member 11 Posts 11/09 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 5:48AM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 8:16AM [Link] |
| charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 8:42AM |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 1:03PM Clearly, you feel some need to take my neutral statement and divine arguments for me that I just didn't attempt to address.I don't know and don't care. One wonders why you feel you need to express your strong opinions by taking me to task for things I didn't say or speculate on?Goldstein never referred to girls getting boob-jobs as a "horrible mistake" (not even as a "bad idea"). While I would prefer that the girls would "leave 'em alone" (I even actually wrote that), you will have a pretty hard time finding me criticizing or taking the girls to task for doing so. (Not that I actually have to say something in order for you to manufacture something to take issue with.) I always think it's strange that people can't simply state their own opinions without feeling the need to manufacture an argument with another poster -- particularly when the original poster never said the things that so aggrieve you.Again, you attempt to put words and arguments in my mouth that I just didn't make.Did you bother to read my post, much less even the part you chose to quote? You have your own agenda here. I seriously resent you using my post as a foil for you to state your own opinions -- and thoroughly misrepresenting what I said, and raising arguments against thoughts I never expressed, in the process.The only thing Goldstein "needs" to do, is to join with the sizeable number of fans in letting the girls know that, there are those who would simply prefer they keep their original equipment. We love you just the way you are. And, if they decide that getting a boob-job is something they want/need to do, then, for the love of God, get it done right. Now, one last favor of you will... Please alert me when Jenna Haze gets her boob-job. Just imagine the career she might have had, and all the additional income she could have made, if only she had had her boobs done  [Link] |
| Peoples Temple Member People tell lies my friend. Some people like publicity. I don't like publicity. 674 Posts 5/11 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 1:12PM I also can't stand piercings and tattoos. I see a lot of beautiful girls with perfect breasts later go out and get them enlarged and to me it makes no sense. I think it is a competition thing where they feel they do not measure up to others. That's the only thing I can think of. Edited by - peoples temple on 9/8/2011 1:13:42 PM [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 1:40PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 1:45PM 1. Those who know they're implants but have a fetish for them 2. Those who can't tell the difference 3. Those who only care if the tits are big and don't concern themselves with details like shape, scarring, drastic changes in the way they move and hang and so on. Most of the porn industry is continuously bringing fresh new girls in. What do they all have in common? Most of them don't have boob jobs (and other "enhancements") and they have few (if any) tattoos. If boob jobs are so in demand why are fresh girls with natural boobs so prized? The girls who go get boob jobs still get work because they have an established fan base. Many who either like or don't mind boob jobs or will (to some degree) tolerate the implants for a while. However We're living in a world where porn is literally as common as dirt (and is free in many cases) and it's disposable. Many people are simply not picky. Many people are just plain used to seeing atrocious implants that look nothing like naturals. Modified breasts are so common it's very difficult to find an established star who hasn't had something done to her breasts. I can almost always spot it. But the point is that it's tough being as picky as I am because if I suspect implants, I can't jerk off to her. Many people just can't be bothered to be that picky. So yes. You kind of have a point. They sell but the playing field is nowhere near level. There are all kinds of variables. Not the least of which is a generation that has come of age when boob jobs are so common, they might not even know what a natural set of tits looks like. Do you think men complained for all the thousands of years when there were no boob jobs? Get real. Edited by - randomprecision on 9/8/2011 1:49:37 PM [Link] |
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| alphadachs Member 475 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 1:48PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 1:56PM Edited by - randomprecision on 9/8/2011 1:58:55 PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 2:11PM I know it's tasteless to compare a woman to a car but I'm trying to make a point. Edited by - randomprecision on 9/8/2011 2:13:01 PM [Link] |
| screwcap Deactivated User I'm walkin' here........ 1032 Posts 6/10 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 6:04PM around, jus sayin, Score, Photoclubs, Bosombox et all. Yeah, Most everyone hates them LOL. You're certainly entitled to you opinion, but....most everyone don't hates them  and you have no idea who they are. Edited by - screwcap on 9/8/2011 6:19:26 PM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 8:05PM [Link] |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 8:24PM [Link] |
| angryassdrummer Member 559 Posts 3/11 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 8:43PM [Link] |
| joachim Senior Member 03 12 15 16 18 04 07 13 18 2285 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 10:11PM [Link] |
| Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 11:25PM ----Dread---- [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Sep 8 2011 : 11:26PM A Porsche costs an arm and a leg for a reason. It's not just an image. It's not a hamster in a wheel with a fancy body. Take a Camaro, a Volkswagen or whatever ordinary car you want and style it like a Porsche (Only wildly exaggerated) and you have a fundamentally good car that tries way too hard to be something it's not. Maybe that's appealing to you but I just find it distracting and boner withering.Some of us want the girl at the office or at the checkout counter or the one we were checking out at the grocery store transplanted into a porn flick. Not everyone fantasizes about caricatures. If that's your thing, I'm not into knocking you for it. Everyone has their own thing going on. I'm just calling it what it is and trying to point out that even though I respect your right to be into whatever you want, I have to try and find stuff that appeals to me too. At the end of the day, I have to look out for myself first. Silence implies agreement with the status quo. "Normal" women turn me on. Boob jobs take me as far in the opposite direction as you can go. I'm not (and never have been) necessarily calling for a complete end to boob jobs. I don't think you have to worry about them disappearing completely. But they ARE a niche. People who aren't into them shouldn't have to check every single movie they watch ahead of time to make sure there aren't any implants in there. I have even seen implants in movies that claim all of the breasts are natural. It doesn't get any more irritating than that. When it's so pervasive you can't even trust the title. It's hard to avoid them completely even if you put a moderate amount of effort into it. This just shouldn't be. Edited by - randomprecision on 9/8/2011 11:30:36 PM [Link] |
| angryassdrummer Member 559 Posts 3/11 | Posted - Sep 9 2011 : 12:51AM plus i would have a couple of chicks driving with me, all with large fake breasts and id be the happiest little devo around [Link] |
| Digmen1 Member 629 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Sep 9 2011 : 6:01AM But I can see why a girl with flat tits would want a B or C cup look. My ideal is a B or C cup. [Link] |
| angryassdrummer Member 559 Posts 3/11 | Posted - Sep 9 2011 : 7:05AM but, i always seem drawn to big fake ones in porn [Link] |
| bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Sep 9 2011 : 11:42AM Popularity and sales are two different things. What is most popular quite often is not what sells the most. What sells the most is what generates the more repeat, often obsessive and insatiable, buying bevahior. The industry capitalizes on this by continually providing more of high selling stuff, which is the same, but different, maybe more extreme. Often that which is more popular, also represents better tastes, making the purchaser more satisfied with just one or fewer purchases. [Link] |
| HollywoodBilderbergGroup Deactivated User Undiscovered Genius 361 Posts 7/11 | Posted - Sep 9 2011 : 11:58AM [Link] |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Sep 9 2011 : 6:58PM PLEASE, if you know the performer's name, DON'T mention it here!  Obviously, this performer had a boob-job and has had a very successful career to date. Overall, she is a very attractive girl, and quite popular. But, honestly, are these results attractive? FYI, this is from a still picture -- there is no motion present (like a screencap might have). This just makes me sad. I've got to believe the original equipment would be more appealing  Do we believe that this caliber of boob-job was beneficial to this performer's career? Was it necessary for her to become a top star? Again, PLEASE, if you know the performer's name, DON'T mention it here! The point is to discuss the boob-job, not as an excuse for some to be "hating" on the performer. Thank you. [Link] |
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