IR porn doesn't have to be that way, and not all of it is.
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It's a genre (which shouldn't have to exist anyway) that's a reflection of the backwards race relations in this country. I suppose though that the genre will change when the state of relations change.
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What exactly is interracial porn?? If you had an all-girl lesbian porno with white girls who look very tanned and some light skinned latina girls who look very white...is that considered interracial?? RACE is a social concept..it has nothing to do with biological differences...our society views interracial sex as something so taboo..so hard to understand...yet a lot of perverts dont seem to mind white boys fucking nappy headed hoes :) theres something wrong with that :) we need to make interracial a new law! everyone must hook up with someone different..so all the hatred and prejudice in this fucking world can end! im so sick n tired of you all :)
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I like IR porn because the women often seem to be more into the sex than usual and the men usually know how to fuck. It doesn't have anything to do with what I think of whichever race.
Usually, when I'm sitting here with my dick in my hand, my mind is in another place. I'm not thinking about the fact that when I rent or buy something, I'm adding a vote to whatever that style of porn is. Even if I don't agree with everything said or done in that flick, I'm voting for more of the same simply by viewing it.
For example. "Oh yes! Fuck me with that big black cock!" is a statement I could live without hearing ever again in a porn movie. But they just happen to say it a lot in the kind of movies I like. I don't rent those movies to hear that. I ignore it when they say that stuff. That's not what I'm watching for. But the folks who make those movies don't know that. They think the movies do well so it must be the racial element. I rent a movie with black on white sex, I don't need to be told the dude is black. But it's not even what is said as much as the way it's said. Black Dicks, white chicks. After a while, you see enough of the kinds of titles these movies have, you start to realize that they're implying the girls in these movies are doing something even worse, or nastier than they would be if the men were white. And that's just unfortunate. I think there are probably a lot of people who watch these movies who have entirely different reasons.
EDIT - It just occurred to me that it can be difficult to distinguish between actual racism and the depiction of two people of different colors fucking. When it comes to something like IR porn, a good half of the racism could be in the eye of the beholder. Unless the title is something like "Daddy's Worst Nightmare", what if it's just a black dude and a white girl fucking and all the racist thoughts are in the mind of the person who calls it racist? I mean, it's impossible to look at such a movie and not notice that one is black and one is white but beyond that, I mean actual racism.
Edited by - randomprecision on 4/12/2007 11:52:06 AM
That would be from the desk of John Persons, erotic interracial artist.
That particular panel was from a series he did five or six years ago titled "Club Slut". It's included in the sample previews on his site.
All of his work is exaggerated and comical, and feeds deep into the historical stereotypes, but that doesn't make them any less hot. They are well drawn and highly strokable.
Given their theme, I guess they dovetail nicely into this thread.
BSD
Edited by - BSD on 4/12/2007 11:52:19 AM
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That is a pretty stereotypical statement, don't you think? Are you implying porn that is not labeled IR, features girls that are less into the scene and that white guys don't know how to fuck? Do you believe that the white girl in your favorite hot IR scene is less hot when she with a white guy?Oh but you are. There is no better way to vote then with your pocket book. There are folks on this forum who regularly suggest that girls who do not appear in either IR or anal scenes should be boycotted. They are in fact using the marketplace as a voting booth. So you don't rent movies where the girl is black and the guy is white? I couldn't agree with you more!Isn't that what you are implying in your first sentence?I think that they are you.
I remember reading an interview with Gregory Dark of the Dark Brothers about 20 years or so ago. In it he said, "Yeah, my movies are sleazy, because I'm one of the few people who will admit that I'm in a sleazy business!" That being said, Porn is sleazy. There is nothing I like better than watching girls just over 18 years old sucking and fucking a bunch of big black cocks attached to felons or thugs just to piss off mommy and daddy. The sleazier the better. I only have 2 complaints on the subject, the first being that some of the "Black" dicks are actually only 1/2 or 1/4 black at best. I want to see undiluted black cocks defiling little pasty white girls for my viewing entertainment. My other complaint is some of the banter that passes as english provided by said black dudes. Just shut up and stick your dick in the girl already.
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Posted - Apr 12 2007 : 12:53PM
I don't wish to destroy your fantasy, but most African/Americans are, to use your term, diluted.
In fact a crazy thought just occurred to me. It could be argued that an Afro-American guy fucking an Afro-American woman might well be considered IR.
Well, first they made us feel guilty for liking porn, now we're guilty if we like certain porn like Max Hardcore or interracial for example.
I mean interracial relationships are part of life so why can't we watch it just because the adult-industry is exploiting the genre? I don't buy it. The adult-industry needs to exploit certain things to sell their movies good.
"Either way, I find this embarrassing for all Americans. After over 3 millennia of human culture, we’re still defining, degrading, and defiling ourselves with the color of our skin. Worse yet, we Americans like to think of ourselves as the most advanced culture on the face of the earth, yet, when so many of us get off, we’re mind fucking ourselves into stupid, archaic, gender and race roles, and we’re all guilty." I agree with all the article posted by Clam Digger.This is also true; the difference between skin colours is not so clear, and between the whitest human being on earth and the blackest one, there is a lot of degrees of pigmentation of the skin (that has to be with the amount of melanine). So the term "racial" or "interracial" has no sense, so i also thinks that is stupid to talk about "races". "Finally, because of America's enormous influence on the international scene, ideas generated by the idiosyncrasies of American history have gained currency in ways that transcend American intent or control. One of those ideas is the concept of "race," which we have exported to the rest of the world without any realization that this is what we were doing. The adoption of the biologically indefensible American concept of "race" by an admiring world has to be the ultimate manifestation of political correctness."
If I thought it was, I wouldn't have said it. And if it wasn't the case with the examples of IR porn that I have seen, I wouldn't have rented more. I can only speak for what I have personally seen, of course. But I've seen quite a bit of IR porn and the girls alway seem to be more into it than usual and the men do a better job than a lot of the white guys I've seen on other porn. That's just stating a fact. If you feel that it's stereotypical, well, sorry. It wasn't meant to be.I said I wasn't thinking about it at the time when I'm beating off. I'm not thinking about anything but sex when I'm jerking off. If I did, I wouldn't be able to get off. I continue to rent these kinds of movies because THE ACTION gets me off. I rent other kinds of movies that contain stuff that I don't care for as well. If I hate it that much, I'll stop renting it. I think it's unfortunate that these flicks have those tasteless racial elements to them. But the fact of the matter is that the good aspects outweigh the bad and I can ignore the bad.Not frequently. I have. I do. There aren't a whole lot of hot black girls in porn. Of those, some aren't very good performers. Of those who are good performers, they sometimes don't get paired with the best male performers or the best directors. That leaves a very small number of that particular kind of movie. So small it almost isn't worth looking for them. Hot black girls are starting to be cast in more mainstream stuff (finally) so it's getting a little easier to find them and I'm perfectly happy to see it. I resent your implication.No. I think, maybe that's just the way you read it.I'd like to know how you read what I wrote and came up with that. If I was a racist, I'd just say so. Now, unfortunately, I DO have some of those racial stereotypes buried somewhere deep in my subconscious because when I was a kid, before I was even old enough to understand why or what they were doing, some people that I trusted and liked chose to plant that garbage in my head by telling me all kinds of bullshit about black folks and Mexicans and Asians and so on and so forth.
When that shit gets planted in your head at such an early age, it will ALWAYS be there. I know it's bullshit now but I can't erase it. It's like someone whispering in your ear every time a certain topic is brought up. You don't believe or like what they're saying but you still hear them. I suspect it's the same for everyone who grows up surrounded by people who are racists.
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Maybe it's just because the black guys in porn tend to be better looking than the white guys. It has nothing to do with black and white. Just one set of guys versus another set.
So a Black Man who likes blondes and wants some porn showing black guys fucking white and possibly blonde chicks is stupid?
I didn't pay much attention on performers I'm interested in girls I was and still am a big fan of Monique which did a lot of IR with white guys So if I watch at hers IR flicks I'm stupid and racist If I don't I'm stupid and racist (I read some posts that way here because some people thought that those who don't like and watch IR are racists because they refuse that mix)
I do really think that a racist is someone who DO pay attention on people race those who don't cannot be labeled that way
If IR porn is racist that means that black have to go with blacks and white with whites that sounds too much like a Ghetto to me actually.
all porn is kind of stupid if you think about it, How many plumbers, pizza boys, and the randomness of set up results into sex borders on the comical and the fantastic. As a person in a long term interracial relationship I buy that which reflects me and my situation. But it's a catch 22 really with the current glut of IR films. While there are a rare few black performers that are articulate and don't go in for all that gang banger shite, I don't think booking agents care to look over a guys resume, just cock size and dollars. Most importantly the dollars. So I think the problem is the directors for that vision, the conscious of the performer himself for going through with it and buyers themselves. Real talk, the industry won't change, I'd imagine.
To do that you'd have to overhaul the entire system from the top down, from non IR to this ballooning genre, and too many people are buying right now for it to stop. Maybe someone should pull an Imus for it to change.
So, in conclusion, I just turn the volume of Wesley Pipes scenes down when I'm watching with my lady.
From my point of view, the article talk about the term "interracial" as stupid and racist, because in fact there is not races in a biological aspect, just in a cultural sense; and to promote the idea of "black" and "white" as two different races, is, in some way, to promote racism.So you are not racist. When i see a scene i dont pay attention to the skin color of the performers, because to me is not something important; but if someone do, and talk about races is a way to remark the superficial differences of human beings, and that is "racism". At least thats my opinion.
I think I can agree with most of this. You can say you prefer blondes and nobody sees anything wrong with that. But for some reason, you can't even say you prefer blacks without it being interpreted as hate. If you prefer blacks, you hate white people. If you prefer white people, you hate black people.
Can't a preference just be a simple preference? Does it have to mean you hate everything else or you would do genocide on them if you were ruler of the world?
Of the porn performers that I don't have a strong preference for, I don't hate them. There are just some who are more attractive to me. I don't control that part of my psyche. You see what you like and you realize that's what you like. You don't know why.
At any rate, porn is supposed to be fantasy. I don't see why anything said or done in a porn movie has to be taken so seriously.
For me watching porn is like eating a cookie, I like the Black and White cookie because they mix great like the chocolate and vanilla. I'm not into just chocolate or just vanilla. Black male and white female for me is that perfect mix.
I dunno if IR is stupid as much as it is often premised on ancient fears…two instances come to mind…
1. In the first Anal Princess film, three black dudes (sorry, don't remember which dudes) portrayed thugs, acting in a steretypically thuggish manner, having their way with a kidnapped Hillary.
2. I saw a trailer in the extras for Sodomania 2 wherein two black dudes hold up a porn set and then fuck all the chicks.
Both of these, as well as a bunch of others I can't cite right at this second, revolve around primal instincts regarding black dudes defiling white girls. To me, the entire concept is repulsive, tho' not more or less repulsive as five guys plugging all of a gals holes, choking her, making her pass out, and calling her degrading names. And I don't necessarily castigate filmakers who traffic in this sort of thing…obv there's a demand for it, based one of the more pathetic aspects of race relations in the U.S.
I should mention a charming scene in Semen sippers where—is it Sean Michaels or Lex?— plays a doctor who inspects Gianna and Rayveness: there was no racial overtones therein that I recall…
And I don't throw any "J'accuses" at anyone who loves to squirt off to that…just suggesting that folks that do might want to reflect on why that is…
Sorry but I don't think so. You can't help but notice what someone looks like (including their color). There is nothing wrong with making note of the fact that someone is white or black.
What is racism, to me, is treating someone differently because they are a different color. If you met me, I promise that you'd notice that my shirt is black and my pants are gray. You just can't not notice that. It may not be a prominent detail in your mind but it's going to be in your mind anyway. And if someone asked you two hours later, you'd probably be able to tell them what I was wearing. Just noticing what somebody looks like isn't racist.
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Posted - Apr 12 2007 : 3:41PM
I would not call you stupid. But if you ran a porn studio or distribution business I think that you would find that market very small.
I think it safe to say that the porn business is much more focused on the perception of what white guys like than the particular taste of a black male audience.
Edited by - Clam Digger on 4/12/2007 3:46:44 PM
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YES, a most excellent depiction of those race relations one poster spoke of early on in this topic. Ugly men, making grunting caveman-like sounds (Geico, anyone?) & ghastly groans while fucking white women. And they don't wish to be judged? Sounds like interracial porn is trying to make some kind of race vs. race statement to me. If I wanted to see an ugly black dude fuck, I'd try to locate a celebrity sex tape of former Temple University basketball coach John Cheney.
I think the biggest joke about interracial porn is that it's almost always about the big black cock (BBC) scenario. Lesson of the day kiddies, not EVERY black penis represented by porn is so endowed, nor is every white male phallis in porn the representation of their race's size.
In my viewing, interracial porn got old after watching Boz (or Richard Mann) ruin the Daddy's Worst Nightmare series where in EVERY scene (and often more than once per scene) line of "yah baby, suck dat nigga cock. Tell 'em how you like dat nigga dick baby." Take away the I am black man, my cock is bigger than whitey, hear me roar! aspect of it, and there's nothing wrong with it in my book.
It's a genre in most cases that caters to the color of the penis, and falacies placed upon it's size, nothing more.
No, that's stating an opinion. Please diffentiate, because you don't know the girls performing or how they actually feel at the time.
It was an example of course I was pointing out the danger of any generalization
If the word Interracial disturbes someone then it could be changed with a more proper Interethnic although it is only a word.
About Jake Steed's pioneering that kind of line surely no one here is trying to say he's racist by introducing that kinda cavemen sounds in his line. Anyway Jack Napier never used that kind of plot at least to my knowledge nor does Justin Slayer
There are two kind of IE (interethnic) movies those focused completely that way and those with that kind of flicks. In example a great part of Rocco's movies have a black performer but his movies have never labeled as Interracial Same for Jules Jordan with Mandingo.
Also there are people who absolutely don't like to see any ethnic mix as you can read in some posts on this board , so to label IR a movies would prevent those customers from going excusively via cable TV or downloadable material. After all we're talking about porn I don't think any people here thinks that PORN will resolve social problems.
oh and by the way when I say I don't put attention on males it doesn't mean I don't see who they are when I'm watching a movie , it means that I don't pay attention when I pick up or buy a DVD , I'm interested in girls. I thought it was a given, I was wrong apparently
Since the 1940s, some evolutionary scientists have rejected the view of race according to which any number of finite lists of essential characteristics could be used to determine a like number of races. For example, the convention of categorizing the human population based on human skin colors has been used, but hair colors, eye colors, nose sizes, lip sizes, and heights have not. The general opinion among the vast majority of scientists is to reject the notion that common race definitions, or any race definitions pertaining to humans, have any taxonomic rigour and validity. Mainstream scientists have thus argued that race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from custom, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the numbers of races observed vary according to the culture examined. They further maintain that "race" as such is best understood as a social construct, and they prefer to conceptualize and analyze human genotypic and phenotypic variation in terms of populations and clines instead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race
"Race" is a senseless term. If a pale guy from the north pole breeds with dark woman from the equator, what 'race' is their medium-colored kid supposed to be?
Unless I have a clone or twin somewhere, any sex I have is going to be with a non-homogenous person. The difference between our skin colors may be subtle or striking, but it's still only a matter of degree.Understood, and there are movies being marketed as "IR", so I do see a point to this discussion. But as I see it, the issue is only a question of why some porn companies are reinforcing stereotypes. If that's really what consumers are demanding, I can't blame the porn companies for meeting the demand.
On the other hand, L.A. is a relatively racist place, in my own experience. If any directors are depicting more stereotypes than consumers really want to see, their movies aren't going to sell as well.
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Well that put in the same bunch ANY label in porn Redheads, Blondes? bigdicked people almost flat guys, anything. In fact if you put a movie with only redheads it is an objectification same for a movie focused on DAP or anything else.
What about people fetished with IR? What about Jack Napier's line ? I didn't find any stereotypes in them and the same was for Chasing the big Ones series , I didn't saw all of them of course only those with girls I was interested to see. These series were very different in their plots (when they had one in their flicks) than those of Steed or Shane Diesel's
also most part of the Gang Bang series released by Devil's Film weren't like Steed's line.
No, that's stating an opinion. Please diffentiate, because you don't know the girls performing or how they actually feel at the time.
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K. I'm done with this thread. You can't split hairs much thinner and it's obvious there are some folks here that will twist anything certain people say into something else.
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Hi again. Some of you folks have way too much time on your hands. The whole point of porn is to produce some material for guys to spank one off. Some folks like nice soft porn, others like something with a little more edge. The bottom line is that porn is and always will be women fucking or getting fucked on camera. And it will just about always end in a close up shot of a cock getting jerked off on the girl's face. It's smut folks, always has been, always will be. It's not art. It's smut. For you clowns who want to discuss what actually constitutes "interracial," get a clue. In the porn word, interracial is always going to be black on white. Not latin on asian. Usually, black guys defiling white girls as the majority of women/girls in porn are lazy white girls. Why? Because in porn, we all like to see super huge cocks penetrating hot women. Have you ever seen a male asian porn star? No! why? Because they don't have a big cock. Another reason for I/R porn being popular is that it is considered taboo. Sometimes, it refers to black girls getting fucked by white guys, but for the most part, if a title is going to feature black girls, chances are it's going to have PHAT or Booty or Ho in the title. It's smut folks.
By whom? Not me.Then it's a dead niche, because no one's perfectly black or white. These so-called black people, they actually reflect some light; and the so-called white people, actually absorb some. Such subleties may bore you, but do matter to people in the business of selling porn.You haven't, but I have.Yes he did.So why is it being labeled "IR porn" instead of "huge-cock porn"?
Well let me guess ... Big Black Monster Dicks series I Can't Believe I Took The Whole Thing series Chasing the Big Ones series ... The Biggest Girth on Earth series
I don't think they're referring to eggs
That said I agree with you about the rest of your post
First of all, thanks for posting this article, Clam Digger. It's always nice to know someone out there has been reading my little column.
After reading the biggest part of this thread, I guess I really only have one thing to add.
When I was writing this article, I wanted to make mention of Sean Michaels and give him kudos for not allowing himself to fall into this trap. I think the same could be said for Lex and for Jack Napier as well, just maybe not to the same capacity. Just my opinion.
So I'm saying it now. Nicely done, gentlemen.
I'm glad my article sparked this little discussion. While some people like to dismiss porn as just being smut or an otherwise unimportant reflection of sexual attitudes in America, I just don't fucking buy it. Obviously, I think what we know as "interracial porn" speaks volumes about our shortcomings as it pertains to the role race plays in the United States.
Thanks again, folks.
Scott McGowan - EyeOnAdult.com
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Posted - Apr 13 2007 : 6:13PM
Okay Thomas, since you are going to split hairs. Name the so called asian porno star that has a big cock. And while you are at it, name a second one.
I wasn't trying to split hairs, I was answering whatever you were doing here:
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According to the IAFD site, Hung Lo performed in approximately 3 titles in 2006. Hardly qualifies him as a porn star. Chances are that in each and every scene he was with his girlfriend. Sorry, but doesn't count.
Well to be honest I could careless about color but when you make a movie you must be very specific on what it is for the buyers. A distributor will call up and ask do you have any new interracial titles, lesbian titles, Anal etc.... So that's why we have the different niches.
The thread on this starts immediately with the comment about "black men."
I watch IR, but I pick it for the girls. I like watching beautiful black women, beautiful asian women, beautiful latinos, etc. From the titles I have, it's not "stereotyped." I haven't watched a scene where the black woman is portrayed in something that reflects her perceived place in culture or society. It's always There she is, Disrobe, Sex.
That's all I ask for in porn anyway.
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Posted - Apr 14 2007 : 2:39PM
One last comment about "Hung Lo" As someone who has been around asians for most of their life, I would like to point out that he is American of Asian Lineage. Not from the orient. Anyone with half a brain can see that there is some american in his system. Goes back to what I was saying about I/R porn in general where the title claims that we have Big Black Cocks and the "so-called" black guy should be called 1/4 black or sun tanned at best. Not really truth in advertising.
Susan Kimball
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Posted - Apr 14 2007 : 3:55PM
So you have been around a lot of naked asian men? You go girl...you have got to be pretty busy.
American means being a citizen. Because you are an American male does not mean that you have a big cock. Conversely if you are an American male with an average or small appendage does not mean you are unpatriotic.
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