My post wasn't a justification of racist ideals held by some pornstars, rather, it was a response to some ludicrous claims made by some forum posters. And yeah it is kinda messed up some pornstars who would do some of the wildest stuff Max Hardcore likes, see black pornstars as beneath them. Of course, I also understand that some are trying to hold out for more money when the finally decide to do it. All I know is, sooner or later, IR saturation of the market will make it much less appealing as it becomes fairly commonplace, so those interracial hold-outs are standing to lose some major cash once the IR gravy train ends. Edit- I in no way meant to imply that all white males who are interested in IR porn are twisted in that way, nor do I mean to imply that those reasons for black males and white females being attacted to each other hold true for all. I'm not so much of a cynic as to deny that some people just like each other for who they are. Love is a beautiful thing. Edited by - trivers77 on 6/2/2007 6:56:20 PM Edited by - trivers77 on 6/2/2007 6:57:52 PM
Sorry to revive this innane thread but this just cracked me up, man. Hung Lo is a 100 percent Chinese born in China.
At this point I am rolling on the floor laughing out loud. ROFLOL. As for the question of race, it is utter bullshit that race cannot be determined through DNA testing. In fact today geneticists can determine one's geographical origin fairly precisely. I hope this Kimball guy does not see some of the Japanese porn dudes new on the scene. Especially the one with a 9 " dick.(I have not seen him either as I don't watch their porn too much but I saw a different guy with about 8" dick from photos.) It just will make him feel despondent to the point of ending his life. And no, Hung Lo is not huge but even his modest size was too much for this racist Kimball dude to accept as "properly Asian".
It is so wonderful that you are so committed to racial equality and all that but the real reason IR titles sell is not so entirely flattering to black males nor the white females involved. I like IR titles too but I don't pretend that I am making a social statement with my taste.
I think this is a common misconception. There are quite a few European female performers who would not work with black guys. You can get their names if you go to mr marcus' forum. And most American pornesses do black guys eventually. There are very few white porn actresses who keep their interracial cherry till the end of their career(unless it is very short). For instance Ellen Saint who has done many IR titles no longer does it except when she works for Rocco etc. Simony Diamond stayed away from IR scenes after the first few until last year etc. I would not say Europeans are any less racist than Americans. Their attitude toward blacks is more relaxed but they can be more prejudiced against other ethnicities like Gypsies, Indians, East Asians etc.
Nah. If you look around you see very few Iranians, Arabs, Indians etc among male talents. East Asian men are not really that poorly represented, rather it is the Asian women who are over-represented obviously due to certain fetish. Porn geared toward East Asian market will have precisely the reverse trend; mostly Asian men-Asian women, a lot of Asian men - White women, sporadic Asian men - black women, quite a few of Asian women - Black men, very few Asian women - White men. In fact this is precisely the trend we see in JAV.
I will end my contribution to this thread by correcting a few common misconceptions. Race is not just about different shades of color. A white man and a black man can be readily distinguished by facial features alone. There is certain overlap largely because currently blacks in the US are admixed, but the basic principle holds. I also saw a poster in Mr Marcus forum who called for unity among Blacks and Whites with a claim that Blacks and Whites are brothers while East Asians are really different. Genetically that makes little sense. The genetic distance between Northern Asians and Europeans is as little as one third of that between Blacks and either of the other two. Even Australian aborigines etc are closer to Whites than sub Saharan Africans genetically. It is good to bring about unity and harmony among all peoples but do it for right reasons and in the right context.
Funny topic. Interacial porn obviously isn't stupid. If it were it wouldn't sell near as well as he does or nearly as consistantly as it does so the initial premise is simply incorrect. The fact that many girls won't do it means quite simply that they (or in one case discussed on this board) her family is deeply racist. I can respect her situation though personally I can't understand why somebody is interested in family that wouldn't support you no matter what. That is supposed to be the difference between friends and family but that's none of my bussiness. Of course the reality here is that human beings are racist. Nearly every single one of us is racist it's just a matter of how much do we let it effect our daily lives. What's more is that we should be a little racist. And sexist. And whatever other groups we can put people in. Obviously this doesn't mean you need to hate blacks or love asians or avoid guys with tattoos or hit on girls with a certain look. The reality is that we profile people in a number of ways and honestly unless you have the time to get to know every person on the planet, or even in a room you are forced to profile just to pick what order you'll approach people in. Get used to it. I see this thread has dredged up the scum that think blacks are inferior somehow. Whatever such people are best ignored and hopefully they'll just die out. I generally avoid IR porn because honestly I've had bad experiences with any porn that is based around how the woman looks. Big tits, black girls, latino girls, natural tits. All of them end up having girls who are just boring but fit the look the director wanted. The two exceptions to this rule tend to be teen and Asian and even that is far from garunteed.
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Posted - Oct 10 2007 : 1:07PM
What are you talking about? Ah yes you must be an adherent of the fatally flawed and thoroughly discredited IQ beliefs outlined in "The Bell Curve."
So you can tell whether someone is Black or white by simply looking at their facial features? Are you sure you want to say that? Because depending on the degree of genetic mixture a person possesses, it would in fact be quite difficult indeed to determine whether they're black or white, or what degree of mixture they are of either group. But, if you wish to hold to this belief perhaps we can dispense with genetic tests and simply use a person's physiognomy to determine their racial background. Since in your opinion it's so much easier to do, particularly in the context of differentiating between Blacks and whites. Edited by - T0201 on 10/10/2007 4:31:45 PM
LOL man. Then you should have said so to the black guy who carried out the hypothetical poll in the first place. That blacks have a significantly lower av IQ is not discredited, not even controversial. Whether it is genetic or even what IQ measures may be controversial.
Why is it so difficult to accept? Are you telling me that you cannot distinguish East Asians from Whites by facial features alone?
If a person is admixed to a degree that it is visible outwardly, then that person is classified as "mixed". It is in fact due to the racist one drop rule that anyone with any amount of native sub-Saharan African ancestry is considered to be black.
I am sorry to tell you this but... currently we don't use a genetic test to determine a person's race. That would be very costly.
Unbelievable. Why is it so difficult to accept that there is virtually no physiognomical overlap between full blooded Europeans and native sub-Saharan Africans(or their full blooded descendents)? Edited by - wargamer on 10/10/2007 6:02:53 PM
Couple of things. First, IQ tests are administered by phonetic means, ie, worded tests. You cannot evaluate accurately how intelligent a functional illiterate is by administering such a test. So to answer your point, Blacks have lower IQ SCORES than whites. Not necessarily lower intelligence levels. Second, whites evolved from Blacks. Genetically, there is very little difference other than certain physical charactaristics such as average height, muscle distribution, and of course, penis size. The issue is the subjective opinion of what characharistics are "better" in the eyes of society. Using sports as an example: Blacks have more fast-twitch muscle fiber in their legs and rear, thus they are the world's best sprinters. Whites have a preponderance of upper body mass, making them the world's best power lifters. Which is "better"? There is no correct answer. With penis size there is a definitive answer as to whether bigger or smaller is better. Society says bigger. To compensate for being smaller, some of the more insecure white males will attack the perceived intellectual short-comings of Black males. I can prove that Black people run faster much more easily than you can prove that whites are intellectually superior. That is called the "preponderance of the evidence". The prosecution rests, Your Honor.
Not all. "phonetic means" and "worded tests" are about entirely different things. There are several non-verbal IQ tests such as Raven's Progressive Matrices and blacks do even worse there.
Read the above.
Let me remind you that you are the one who used IQ as a compensating factor for penis sizes. No one really talked about it until you butt-hurt-overreacted to another poster.
Not really. The common ancestors probably had dark skin and frizzy hair. So do many insular South East Asians, Papua NewGuneans and Australian Abos. But they have nothing to do with "blacks" of Africa. The common ancestors of Caucasoids and Mongoloids probably were closer to Caucasoids in outward appearances but that does not mean that East Asians evolved from Whites. And it certainly does not mean Asians should worship Whites as their ancestors.
The last of which has not even been scientifically proven.
But the question of who has more needs to be resolved first.
But who is bigger has yet to be proven scientifically.
Actually the only ones who posted racist rants in this thread were you and your friend who got deactivated.
Can you prove you can swim faster too? LOL. Anyway it is all very good now. Go out and run, run, run to prove your point. That is far better than spewing out incoherent drivel here.
You have the gift of seeing what others cannot see.
But sadly, there will be an investigation into a probable fraud in your bar exam.
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Posted - Oct 11 2007 : 8:57PM
Actually it's been found that when controlling for socioeconomic and environmental differences the so called gap in IQ disappears. As for your lack of awareness as to the degree of controversy such an erroneous conclusion has engendered, well you must not be very familiar with just how many scientists from varying backgrounds disagreed (and continue to do so) with the conclusions made in "The Bell Curve."
To some degree one might be able to say that they can tell East Asians and whites apart, but like any group it would depend on the number of traits they share or differ in. But assuming that's true, at what point does one become East Asian or white? How many traits (physical or otherwise) must one have to become part of one race or the other? And furthermore, what assemblage of traits and at what percentage must one have to be considered a full East Asian or white? Would 98% of whatever melange of traits be satisfactory? Or would it have to be 100%? Because by that reasoning very few human beings are pure anything. So very quickly one sees how absurd such an argument is.
By that reasoning everyone on earth is Black.
Well there is at least one crude way to determine one's ethnicity. And that's by examining the specific haplotypes that one possesses and using that to determine the area their ancestors are from.
Well it depends on what you mean by "full blooded" europeans, because going by the virtually fully established fact that man originated in Africa, by logical extension everyone on earth is at least part Black, even if it's only fractionally. So in that sense, no one is really "full blooded" at all.
No. It may be contested whether it is possible to come up with such control groups but there has been no credible study that showed disappearance of the gap. But all this is utterly irrelevant since I was only talking about IQ itself. i was not discussing anything about the cause. You all seem to be so quick to accept the av. penis size gap but not the av. IQ gap, the latter of which is far better documented.
I was not talking about "The Bell Curve". There is no controversy about the presence of the gap. Not even Stephen J Gould questioned that. I was talking about the av IQ itself. I was not talking about whether it is genetic or environmental. I was not even talking about what it means. I was just talking about the av IQ because your racist friend SS brought up IQ in his idiotic poll. It is like SATs. There is a gap. It is out there. I am not talking about the cause of the gap, not even what SAT measures.
Why should anyone be either of the two? I was just saying that racial classification is based on many factors and skin color is just one of the many(which can be overridden by other considerations. ie. Albino blacks). I was just pointing out the folly of the common misconception often held by blacks. Namely that whites and blacks only differ in skin color. Race is about the whole package, not just skin color. It is about the shared genetic past and present. Papua NewGuineans may look similar to Africans but they are different races.
Only because you failed to understand it in the first place.
It is based on your erroneous assumption that the archaic humans in Africa were Black, which would flunk you out of a freshman anthropology class. They may have been black(ie dark skinned) but not Black(clustering with sub Saharan Africans genetically). Today's racial categories do not extend back indefinitely. There were no Mongoloids more than 25000 years ago for instance.
And GM markers are one of them. There is very little overlap between sub-saharan Africans on one hand and the rest of human population on the other. Almost all exceptions come from well known cases of admixture.
I don't feel like responding to this butt hurt quibble which is just factually wrong. But let's just go one more time.
The above is like saying ,since humans and chimpanzees shared common ancestors 6-7 million years ago, humans are part chimpanzees.(no, calm down. I am not insinuating anything here) The common ancestors were neither humans nor chimpanzees though superficially they may have looked closer to Chimpanzee than to humans. And it certainly does not mean that all humans are part chimpanzees or vice-versa. Edited by - wargamer on 10/12/2007 1:18:13 AM
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Posted - Oct 12 2007 : 2:05AM
Wargamer: I appreciate what you're saying. I think your points are quite good. Trying to breathe any intelligence into an interracial thread is like trying to breathe on the moon. Enjoy arguing, but your breath is wasted.