^ Kimi: I didn't reject your statement-I hear you loud and clear-you like all sizes and that's groovy. But you're missing my point: Your doctor is NOT a sexual setting, the vagina DOES contract. It also expands in a sexual setting and lubricates. What you feel with your doctor says nothing to me about what you prefer with sex-that's all I'm saying. I'm sure you feel it when a guy sticks one finger in you too, and that's much more important in this discussion which is of a sexual nature-so what happens with your doctor, a SEXUAL STRANGER is completely irrelevant in my opinion. It has nothing to do with the question or the debate. I've been with women that are very large on the inside relative to others I've been with and they used small tampax too... Some men are showers, some are growers-I bet the same is true with women-some may contract much more than others. Just as I've seen my penis range from 2" flaccid to 5" flaccid (and the latter was NOT post erection either, just middle of the day...). Genitals are strange creatures for sure. But I stand by my main point, which is that the following are safe generalizations to make: "most Men prefer tight vaginas" "most Women prefer thicker penises" I know from my experience that the majority of men and women that I know would respectively agree, I also acknowledge outliers. I would also say that anyone sane cares more about personal chemistry than genital sizes-but the issue at hand isn't what qualities in a man do women prefer-it's a cold heartless question about penis size. Also-I wanted to add, I was discussing this with my wife and she made the following statement which I found interesting: "Women might also not want to admit caring about girth as it could reflect on their vagina size..." And my wife is a very smart woman, so there could be truth to that, even on a cold, anonymous survey-just as I wouldn't trust men to measure themselves on a survey-no question that some percentage lied, in favor of themselves. Anyway, your input is valuable to me, no need to be combative. And I may not remember what you said 3 pages ago-so don't get too riled up, it doesn't mean I'm not listening, it means I smoked too much pot in the 80s.
I was just thinking-due to Kimi's comments, maybe I asked the wrong question. There are too many variables that go with a penis, such as the personality attached to it. Maybe I should have asked what the "perfect dildo size is?" If you could choose any dildo Kimi, or if you have them already... which one is your favorite or would be your ideal one? (Assuming you don't mind chiming in for science :) Now the whole "how he uses it" issue is gone... so is the chemistry issue-it's really just a depth and stretch issue now. So perhaps I simply asked the wrong question. The answer to the dildo question would really be much more relavent to what I'm asking. So if anyone wishes to answer that question, I would find it interesting.
I said this 8 years ago. Adult DVD Talk Forum Post I have posted several times previously that I do not use any sort of insertable masturbatory aid. I own no dildos or vibrators shaped that way or used for that purpose. I can't imagine what I'd choose if I wanted to get one. Undoubtedly something small enough that I would never run a risk of hurting myself if I got uncoordinated in the heat of the moment, and something not too hard for the same reason. Maybe something like this.
And again, another misguided question. And it's even more irrelavant than your original question. Working in adult novelty retail, I can tell you for fact,that it depends on the woman. We carry everything from four inches up to 18 inches in dildos. Some have a thicker girth than others. But most of you standard g-spot stimulators are no bigger than the size of your index finger. So what kind of stimulation are we going for? This goes back to my original answer. I rarely sell any of the Doc Johnson Classic dongs because women think they are too thick. Or they say they're ugly and dont look much like a cock at all. I agree. We DO sell dozens of Wildfire European Cock. It's a cock and balls dong made of cyberskin and my customers are always amazed at how lifelike it feels. On the product description they claim it's 'average' girth. Better call the company. However, my top selling classic vibe is the Doc Johnson 7 inch Velvet Touch. It's what we refer to as a "slim line" vibrator because it's very slim and has a pointed tip rather than a rounded one. Measuring mine as I write and it's only 3 1/2 inches in girth. Now, considering that I had one baby that was 8lbs and 22 inches long and my second baby was 10 1 1/2 and 22 inches long most would assume I have a gaping hole. But I can grab hold of that vibe if I want to and then push and shoot it out if I want to. Because what you seem to be forgetting is that the vaginal muscles are very strong and elastic and if a woman has good strength there, she'll feel tighter to you. I dont understand how you think we could even measure width on ourselves anyway. The only way wwould be to keep inserting bigger objects untill she says no more and even that would be flawed 'data'. I could go into the why's of that if you want, but I really dont think you're truly interested in our bodies, otherwise you wouldnt worry about your own size. And quite frankly, most of us have other shit to worry about that's more important than measuring their vagina's, nor do I personally know of any woman who has attempted to do so. My top Carribean Jelly is no. 3 My top glass piece is an Icicle no. 2 and the Saphire Twister My top rabbit is the Doc Johnson iVibe Rabbit. We carry two lengths, they sell equally well. So you see, lots of variable there too. Different sizes, different textures and materials all go in to decision making. Although I do carry them, I rarely sell girth rings, penis extentions, cages, or sleeves. I sell LOADS of cock and ball harnesses, penis pumps and cock rings. But most of the couples (and yes, usually it's couples that buy them) do so because they want the erection to be rock hard and they want to gain stamina, or they simply like the way it makes their jimmy stand up and look handsome. I do have a few older gentlemen that buy them for ED issues though but they are not the norm. I do not know of any of my female customers that bitch about the line it leaves behind that you were talking about. Most of the time the women are concerned about the safety issues. If you Google any of the items on that list you will notice none of them are particularly thick. And the 7 inch measurements are from tip to tip of the toy. I have no idea where the women that want big fat cocks shop, because I carry those too and they dont sell very well. But since women care so much about penis size.........
^ Neither question is misguided, they are valid questions to anyone who walks around not looking to pick a fight lol. Since you have so many better things to do that have a simple conversation with manners, I'll let you get back to it. :)
Just because you're not getting the answer you want, doesnt mean I dont know what I'm talking about. Valid or not, there is NO clear cut answer. You asked about toys, I answered you. If that doesnt fit your theory, too bad. If you have a problem with my manners maybe you should check your own. I'm not the first person I've seen you act rude towards in this thread. Unlike them, I give as good as I get.
If you knew what you were talking about-you'd display the quality of being able to learn from others. People who don't learn from others rarely know much. You claimed average size was 6"-7" and offered a blog with no citations or evidence as your basis, even though you said you'd seen "countless" studies that said so. At that point I quit putting much faith in what you said. As far as hearing what I want, I've gotten plenty of info off this thread, including learning something about vaginas from you. As far as what your customers buy, that would have been a good point of view to hear about, but only if you seemed ethical/honest. And you can justify your manners with something I've said elsewhere, but it's not relevant. But on the bright side, my penis IS getting bigger and thicker and my wife likes it, so either way we cut it-I'm satisfied. And the only thing really surprising to me here is Kimi-I would simply assume that a porn star (or former star) would have acclimated to larger penises, yet she likes average ones or even smaller-very interesting! Edited by - seedfeeder on 5/26/2011 7:11:48 PM
Dude do not go putting words in my mouth. I "said" that I had seen countless documentation and articles that were all over the place but most of them said 6-7 inches. Countless as in LOTS. If YOU think the data is flawed, that's your problem. I have those sources. I'm not sharing because you were rude. Not just to me but to others too. You're now claiming I'm unethical. My manners are relevant but you're are not? You accuse me of flaming you because I treat you as you've treated me. Think about that. Was the comment about lying supposed to be directed towards me? Dude, you're a joke. You still have a problem with penis size. So regardless of what I say, you've already made up your mind. If you want to take that as a flame, So be it. Guess what ladies? Seedfeeder has made his royal proclamation that all women must like big fat cocks and that sex is all about friction and penetration. So it is said, so it is done.
I see, so you have all this data, but won't prove it because I was rude... and instead presented a really laughable blog as your proof... You just proved my last point about being unable to learn from others<--that quality also tends to be coupled with a failure to admit when wrong. It's not quite flaming, but you seem like a generally agitated person, especially when proven wrong. The average penis size is 5"-6". I presented my evidence, you have not-case closed. It's best to be an "expert" on things you actually know about. We all know a lot about something, your list of somethings obviously doesn't include "penis size" .... so big deal, get over it.
Ah one more thing-if said data actually existed, at least one of them WOULD have been mentioned on wikipedia, yet wasn't. But yes, I'm sure it's out there... somewhere lol.
I am sure that diabetics who must inject insulin on a daily basis become accustomed to the procedure. However, I don't know any who enjoy it, even after years and years and years of dealing with it. Why would a woman "acclimate" to larger penes? I've given birth six times. Trust me, the last one wasn't any more comfortable than the first. I didn't acclimate. My vagina didn't get deeper, wider, or less sensitive. It is undoubtedly less elastic than it once was, but not that I notice, and not that anyone has ever complained to me about. I accept that as a fact of biology, and I don't feel particularly insecure about it. I'm sure aging will also take it's toll. Indeed, while shooting with Steven St. Croix we had one of those, "Oh shit, don't move, I'm going to cum." moments... and we all held our breath and tried not to giggle for a few minutes until he regained his "composure" and the scene went along. His pop shot was amazing, too. Definitely one of my best porn moments. Oh, and he doesn't have one of the more ginormous penes in the porn kingdom.
Oh! Yes! Cause Wikki is SO accurate!! ROFLMAO! I presented a laughable blog because you're being laughable. So what are you going to do about it? Nothing. One was a teen sex ed site. You didnt find that amusing? I did. Here's one from a gay blog... http://www.linkgay.org/articles/article-27.html They still prove my point that research is all over the place even if you cant accept the "data." There is nothing conclusive about any of it. None of it answers you initial quiestion. Never claimed to be an expert, those are your words not mine.I think it's pretty safe to say that I understand the science of how it all works better than you do. As far as learning from others, how the hell else do you learn? I mean you're the one that keeps claiming to know what women want and refusing to admit that we understand our own bodies by claiming no one wants a needle dick and we all like girth. If you knew what women want you wouldn't be trying to stretch your penis or asking us questions about it. And I do believe you called me a liar and an unethical person. So exactly who is flaming who? At least I have the balls to be blatant about it. This is what they say in one article I read and maybe this is what you need to think about. "In conclusion, there is no one definite average penis size. Perhaps the best way to arrive at a correct figure would be to take the average of all the averages determined by various studies. See the penis size graph a few paragraphs down. Nevertheless, it is safe to say that a penis that is less than 5 inches long when erect is smaller than average, and one that measures over 6.5 inches is bigger than average."
If I'm not mistaken 6.5 falls in somewhere between 6-7 inches. Unless wwe're talking about that "new math." Statistics are like women; mirrors of purest virtue and truth, or like whores to use as one pleases. ~Theodor Billroth Leave the whores alone Seedfeeder, you might catch something. Edited by - SexShopGrl on 5/27/2011 12:38:27 AM
Well I think the tendency is to hear 3-4 women proclaim one way, and then assume any other women with an opposing or different view, is somehow lying, lying to herself, or simply mistaken.
No, the conclusion is 5"-6" which has been proven now with data. This is not a subjective debate. There IS data. Just because it all contradicts what you said does not make it invalid. No, it makes your claim invalid of course. And to laugh at wikipedia shows ignorance-it is highly respected and much more accurate than any other encylopedia. Those guys are nazis, they don't allow anything that's not cited or backed up somehow. The lifestyles research is on there. Know why? Cuz it's accepted as valid and respected. So are the other studies it mentioned... but since it contradicts you (ALL OF THE STUDIES CONTRADICT YOU!), it's silly and laughable lol. And hide all you want-but to avoid your burden of proof is yielding the argument completely. Whether you do so honestly or not, the outcome is still the same: There is no data to support your claim. I asked for just one study done with a 3rd party measuring-of which there are several... unfortunately they all back my claim, not yours. At this point, you're just being rhetorical, so I'll drop it. Unless you can produce even one decent study-at which point I'll bow but somehow I don't think that's going to happen. And what you did IS dishonest. Those with ethics can again learn from others and admit when they're wrong. Making a mistake is human, but standing by a mistake is something much less. It is obvious I know a lot more about this particular topic than you, yet you find childish ways to avoid letting it go. It's okay not to know everything ya know.
Not at all. First of all the real issue here is average penis size, so you must have an agenda to ignore the real issue Aplus. And I've backed my claim with data, the other party has held her hands over her ears and sang "la la la la" as her rebuttal. Secondly, on the girth issue, maybe you've been with "3 or 4 women" but some of us have been with, let's just say "way too many". Now I have nothing against you wanting to lick some girl's ass, but please don't do it fraudulantly at my expense!
K maybe English isn't your first language-I'm not denying her opinions. I am disputing her Claim that the average penis is "6-7" long. This isn't about women, this is about male anatomy-so by your argument, she's the silly one (oops on you). Secondly, it's not about opinions, it's about DATA. She can say she LIKES 6-7" penises, I wouldn't dispute it. She can also say "from her experience...." and I wouldn't dispute it. But she said she'd read countless studies that said this average size and that's not an opinion-that's a claim, I asked her to back it up... she then found she COULDN'T. But she claims she's right about 6-7", I have proven her wrong and she's upset about it and claims to have data that backs her up but that she won't present as I "don't deserve it." I haven't heard that one since grade school. Now either pay attention or please find something rational to dispute :) And to the other issue: Even Kimi's study says more women care about girth than the amount that don't... so my claims there are still standing as well. The only thing I don't dispute here is what Kimi or Shopgirl LIKE or have EXPERIENCED... those are opinions and they do have monopolies on their opinions and experience. But data is about facts, not what shopgirl wants the world to be like, but what it is ACTUALLY like. And that ... is clearly 5-6" not 6-7".
First of all, I'm not licking anything. Secondly, I'm happy to say I have been with more than 4 women. For the most part, I was just giving my opinions. As for data, anything that samples less than 10,000 people, many times, simply isn't scientific IMHO. Plus I'd rather hear what real "live" women think anyway. Some studies simply can't tell a whole story.
My partner loves it when I lick her ass. LOL You guys are all to funny. I remember reading somewhere that the average penis length was 5.5" or something like that. But I never really cared. I watch to much porn to care about being an average guy. I usually just want to improve my whole package after watching porn. Dont care if those guys are in the small percentage or not. I think I have read many times that the average height for a man is 5'8" but I only know maybe a handful of people that are shorter than me and I am 6'1. So I guess we all have are "averages," and sometimes the facts can be biased which I dont think is a problem. All that being said hearing from women is more enjoyable than reading facts. Kimi Lixx thats amazing for the 6 children. Hats off to you. Edited by - chrapladm on 5/27/2011 4:19:12 AM Edited by - chrapladm on 5/27/2011 4:19:49 AM
The study I quoted claimed that 78% of women questioned thought that girth was "somewhat" or "not at all" important VS 22% who thought that girth was "very" important. I don't think that shows that more women care about girth. Especially when you consider that some of the women answering "somewhat" important may be considering that TOO girthy is important because it hurts. (as may be some women answering "very")
^ Not my fault that it's a vague study. caring is caring, and we can only speculate on what "cared" means. Either way, what I said is true-more cared (either a lot or somewhat, regardless-still some level of "caring") than those who didn't. lol you just like to argue Kimi, I think you need a good spanking. Edit (unquoting kimi and changing to a ^ before killbill had to do it :)) Edited by - seedfeeder on 5/27/2011 12:14:26 PM
Actually Aplus, most statistics say only 30 data points are required to do tests (t test, p test, etc.) in a survey. I think the lifestyles one is 3,000 which is one of the largest. And while I appreciate your attempts to side with someone with ZERO data lol, the fact remains that as it stands, the data (and if you do combine all these surveys, you DO have over 10,000) says that the average human penis size (did you know we have the largest penises among primates?!) is between 5" and 6". The argument was lost by her long ago when she failed to back up her claims with something other than a silly blog with no evidence or support.
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Posted - May 27 2011 : 1:46PM
seedfeeder... seriously, why do you need "data" so much? You asked the females here about penis size, you got answers. How's one female's response any more or less valid than another's? The response/data here is as valid as anywhere else. It's PERSONAL preference/opinion. There is no "ideal" that would suit EVERY woman. If your cock works and isn't too big/small to have sex with, there are other things to worry about.
Nonsense, I asked their opinions, and got a few (thx!) But the issue is about data currently-not opinions. Not about preference (which is an opinion issue) but about average size (which is a raw data issue-opinions irrelevant). Perhaps you haven't read the last 2 pages. Average size in general, so opinions don't matter-only data (surveys, research) does. Isn't this obvious? You've heard of the scientific method right?
The only data presented about preference was from Kimi, regarding girth preference-although it's not very clear WHY it's "important" or "somewhat important"... so frankly that study didn't tell us anything-except that women "care" 3% more about girth than length lol. And no, 2 or 3 "opinions" is not a study. But we could use them as data points, but we'd need about 27 more. Either way, the poll issue was about preference and we've heard the opinions here. But none of that has to do with the issue that shopgirl brought up (again) which was about "average size of the male penis". That's what the debate was over and again, 3 opinions are irrelevant to that one.
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Posted - May 27 2011 : 3:07PM
The reasons/variables are obvious and have been talked about many times before. All this smacks of obsession. I'm not sure you're going to get anything that will satisfy your craving for whatever it is you want to be told.
Well in a world of maybe a billion women, I gotta believe 30 or even 3,000 simply isn't enough. I think that's the problem with most human surveys. I never disputed 5.5 as an average. I think most surveys generally have that as the average or around about. Thing is, is that there have been many done in different ways to (sort of) reach it. Hardly a consensus, but the same results can't be dismissed either IMO. I actually wasn't aware that I was taking anyone's side other than my own. I also don't tend to think most women "think" in exacts when it comes to penis size. Most don't carry around measuring tape, nor can most correctly guess a guy's length or especially girth by sight. Well not from what I've seen or heard anyway from them. The most mentioned I've heard from women over the years is 7 inches, although I'm not actually sure how they know for sure.
That's a good point Aplus-it would be interesting to see a study where say 100 men and 100 women guess the size of 10 penises. I see this type of thing on PE sites a lot and even the men vary quite a bit in opinion. But I also find it common that a girl will think a penis is quite a bit larger than it is... Like she might think an 8" is a 10" and so on. Perhaps not in the crowd at ADT, but in general, it wouldn't surprise me if they were way off. This is interesting as it certainly can affect the man they tell it to (assuming dating). I've heard lots of stories where she mentions her ex being huge, like 9" or something, then tells the new guy he is bigger, even though he's maybe 6" or 6.5".
^ I wouldn't mind trying out pills like viagra or cialis, maybe I will sometime. But I disagree with the nature of the post. First, I didn't fall for some ad. I wanted to be bigger so I began researching and found something that objective sources claimed worked-and it does. Second, a lot of the PE stuff is actually just aimed at penis health-making it more vascular and healthy. My erections have improved a lot. After doing the extender for about 3 weeks, I woke up with raging hard ons, like I haven't had since being a teenager. And the product didn't even mention that part, so it was a nice surprise. I'm not a guy too concerned with image, in general I really don't care what other people think. But I do care about how I feel about myself and again, maybe it's due to too much porno-but one way or another I'd like to be in that top 5 percentile. Maybe it's a vanity or ego thing, who knows. Just wanted to clarify in case you cared :)
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Posted - Jun 1 2011 : 12:10AM
^ I apologize if my post offended you, yet, you seek the same results these ads offer..bigger size. If I may add one last comment on this subject... When I watch these ads, they interview several women who claim they enjoy a man with bigger equipment. I also notice that these women say the men seem to have more confidence in themselves. That word..confidence..can be found inside yourself, rather than seeking to re-gain your youth with a physical device. If the device brings you confidence, and you are happy with it, good for you. I have learned that, as I get older, I'm not able to work outside, cutting firewood, for hours, without a break. The same goes when I make love to my wife. It may take longer to accomplish these days, but the end results are the same.
^ No offense taken. And I agree, confidence is to be found in truth in the self. And for me it's not really about trying to recapture something. I have no issues in bed, no ED or prematurity problems, no stamina problems. But I still think it would be fun to have a Peter North dick to add to my sexual arsenal. My wife and I have a lot of fun with the penis enlargement thing. It's permanent, so it's also a temporary thing I'm doing. I expect to be done with it this winter. All I was saying is that clearly there are some health benefits (penis-wise) here, but that is a bonus-not the motivation. Just as both men and women should do kegels, for the sake of their sex lives. It's not about recapturing anything-it's about making the present more powerful.
In case anyone cares lol: So I took a measurement today: No real length gains for the last month-mostly due to sloppiness in extender usage, I think I gained and lost it based on differences I've seen in stretched length. But I gained in girth. I'm up to 5.75" in girth, which is almost a 1/2" gain in just 3 months. I'm pretty excited about that. Most guys find length easier and girth much harder to increase, so maybe I'm lucky.
SO what is the total time you have used yours? I am still curious what type of gains I should expect. I know people are different but was still curious of your length of time for growth.
Maybe 200 hours? I haven't counted lately. But consistently is clearly of utmost importance. So you need to realize the commitment you'd be making of 4-6 hours a day for 4 months or so.
Yes, it works. It is longer and thicker. The trick with an extender is the commitment. If you do it good for 3 weeks and then take a week off, you could lose half or all what you gained in the prior 3 weeks. So really no question to me that it works, plenty of clinical studies confirm this, hell even wikipedia says so. The real issue is : Are you ready to make a huge commitment to it? EDIT: And it's very safe. Much easier to break your penis with a drunk, careless woman riding you on top. Edited by - seedfeeder on 6/3/2011 7:06:12 PM
Sorry couldn't remember but there IS a way to cement the gains in yes? Hate to do something for 5-6 months then to see it all go away because I stopped using the device.
