The Corra Cox/Freya Parker scene from GFF's latest, Lesbian Sex 26, is pretty high-quality. Had to watch it a 2nd time. The interview before they get down to it is good too.
upcoming scene with Kylie Rocket and Hime Marie for zerotolerance.com movies , also Freya Parker , April Olsen appears in. no cover yet , movie name Lesbian Ass Eaters 6
So what do you guys think needs to change to get us out of this G/G slump? Like if you were listing the main key points?
For me, myself, personally, I would like to see the following as a somewhat realistic start: - Casting women actually into women whenever possible - Directors passionate about the genre and/or knowledgeable and capable of directing a good G/G scene - removal of men from scenes - removal of toys from scenes with the exception of Strap-Ons - Elimination of: Scissor Tribbing, excessive moaning, screaming, 69'ing, scenes with 3+ women, scenes on furniture, in bathubs/showers - Greater emphasis on and increase of kissing, build-up, foreplay, romance, and sensuality - Genre Expansion: Features, Showcases, scenes with pre and post-interviews, more serious themes
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Posted - Aug 1 2022 : 5:38PM
^That about sums it up for me though I would get rid of:
-Endless porny narration - "ooooooh ffuuuuuck, fuck my pussy, lick pusy right there yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah", "oh that feels so good I'm saying g it fifty times a minute",
"oh I can't believe we are doing this" ... the scene partner stops eating her out to say something like "oh I know, I never thought I would be having sex with a girl before" or some other eye-rolling goofy stuff.
It's like the performers don't know when to stop the dumb stuff and just have sex, mainly because of sites like Adulttime, Brazzers, and now AllHerLuv telling them to act like that.
-Peeing, especially if they're going to call it squirting. If you're going to do it, OK whatever, though it's not my favorite thing. But the gaslighting to try to materialize the idea that vaginas shoot cum is just stupid, and goes against the tone of content I am looking for. I dislike silly porn very, very much. Lol
Get some Jenna Jameson, Sasha Grey, Tori Black, Alexis Texas, Mia Malkova, Jenna Haze, Malena Morgan, Lana Rhoades, etc. types to shoot some ultra energetic, anal-centric, ass licking content & you might revive the genre a bit. Directors would have to adapt a style similar to Jay Sin with a dash of Jake Malone. Of course, that's not possible. That type of female talent either goes quickly or directly to onlyfans these days. G/G porn, like other studio porn ,will still continue to limp along. Hope you get some of the content you are calling for here. It has always existed in small quantities & expect it to continue on. I like the occasional erotic type scene, most the best of it I find to be Euro.
You are right. There is a lot of good stuff that does not show up on our radar. However, I have never been able to find a site that sells non-DRM lesbian JAV downloads. The other two criteria I need is a site that lets you browse the full library before joining AND makes it crystal clear if there is a hidden fee for downloads (looking at you lesbea.com!).
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Posted - Aug 1 2022 : 11:29PM
Isn't Japanese porn known for that exaggerated whine thing or am I thinking of something else? I l would lose my mind. The U.S. stuff is bad enough.
I have seen only a handful of good asslicking les scenes that aren't censored, or they cover the vag up so it isn't blurry. Do you know of any good les asslick films that aren't censored? Pm me please/
Not that surprising tbh, she's always been pretty effusive about how much she loves filming with women. I remember back before she got into that long-term relationship with some random non-industry guy, she posted a Twitter thread about how it was difficult dating guys because she was naturally more infatuated with women (although she deleted those tweets a few days later).
I'll say for kissing in particular I'm not a fan of peck-kisses and kissing/making out with no tongue. It's disappointing to have a scene start and the girls give these boring kisses and refuse to use their tongues - takes me completely out of it. Immediately signals to me that the girls are either not into girls or they're just phoning it in. I'll say this, there's something wrong when I regularly see Hollywood movies with way hotter g/g kissing (and they actually show lots of tongue too!) than the scenes we get nowadays. Just a few weeks ago I watched the Babysitter on Netflix and Samara Weaving did a way better job making out with another girl than most performers nowadays lol
I find some of your suggestions interesting, but there are others that I think are more based on your preferences and, in my case, I like.
For example, the elimination of tribbing, 69s, scenes with 3plus women or in furnitures, bathtubs, etc. I like many of those tropes and I don't understand why taking them away will make better. I don't think the problem is their use, but, how they are made. A scene with more women don't have to be terrile. For example, Adulttime gave us a good example with The All Americana Orgy. Not an extraordinary scene but it was well made and all the actresses looked pretty convincing. 69s are a favourite part for me in a lesbian scene. There are 69s that I've seen that are just amazing, meanwhile others are too protocolary that doesn't feel unique. So, I think the problem is the execution more than other aspect. But that's my opinion, of course.
I agree the genre should expand and have more people involved in there that show more interest and that is to me the main problem. if there is no people really interested in building something meaningful all the other aspects are going to be terribly made. If no one care and people will buy with no rpoblem even if it's the worst, then they will continue to produce crap. For example, I'm watching more Girlfriend Films movies and I'm watching a great improvement thanks to the involvement of Lacy Lennon. Not only we are seeing a better direction of the scenes, but also a better casting and stories, deliering better scenes that the usual. So, to me, that's the core of the problem and the solution, better talent to develope better movies.
^^^Like I said, those are just my personal tastes. And to clarify, I like tribbing except for specifically the "Scissor Style" which is still prevalent. I'm also not big on foot play, squirting, gaping, but there's no problem if those type of scenes or scenes with those elements are clearly labelled so fans of it can find it and those not interested can avoid.
On another note, we need some more specific details in regards to this alleged high-quality Japanese G/G porn. Because for someone not in the know, on the surface it seems mostly to about reluctance, fetish-themed, toy filled, and no indication if the performers even like women. I'm sure the good stuff is buried somewhere.
Some performers see kissing as more personal than hardcore sex acts. They simply aren't going to lean into a kiss with someone in a business transaction setting. Let's face it, a porn scene is a business transaction. That's one reason you see tepid kissing to start off scenes. Do agree with you that weak kissing can kill any positive vibe for a scene.
- Girls need to shoot with girls who not just are genuinely into girls but genuinely into each other. I can live with Lena Paul shooting with Ivy Lebelle thousand of times. As a matter of fact, they have a new G/G scene coming out together on Friday on Ivy OF and I cant wait for it. I can live with Aaliyah Love shooting with Cherie DeVille thousand of times. Random pairings are great in concept of wanting to see girls who never shot together but they have to want to shoot together and they have to genuinely be into other women. There are pairings that never happened and I scratch my head as to why studios didnt make it happen? And it takes for the girls to shoot for OF to make it happen which honestly sad for the studios that they dropped the ball.
- Great storylines that even crossover. I miss the days of GFF and even Girlsway where they would have a storyline for one movie or scene and then in another movie or scene they reference the character. I think about how back in the day GFF referenced Thornhill alot in their movies. Girlsway when they did features I think about how for the feature "Vampires" they referenced it in the scene with Reena Sky and Melissa Moore then they also referenced it in the scene with Jelena Jensen and Dana DeArmond. Same went for "A Cinderella Story". They referenced that in the scene with Georgia Jones, Katrina Jade, and Jelena Jensen. Im a huge storyline guy so crossing over movies and scenes like that keeps me engaged and gives that connection feel and just makes the movie and/or scene alot better.
- Give the scene time to breath. I dont like a scene to feel like its being rushed. Idealistically I want a scene to be at least 30 minutes of sex. Ive come around to having the sex less than that after watching tons of OF scenes which can be under 25 minutes. If done right the sex can still be hot. I watched an OF scene with Lena Paul and Cadence Lux that was 18 minutes but felt alot longer. No rush, just alot great hot sex that felt natural. So if done right the scene dont have to be too long but I like the scene to breath. I want to build up, the connection/chemistry, and just for the girls to have fun and enjoy each other in their own way.
- Speaking of the girls enjoying each other in their own way, I just want sex to be sex. We can talk about how we like for the girls to be, let them just be them. If the girl is very vocal let her be vocal. If the girl is more aggressive then let her be aggressive. If you dont like strap-on but the girl in the scene love to use a strap-on, let her use a strap-on and if thats not your thing then dont watch the scene. Every scene shouldnt be the same. Every girl shouldnt be the same. I want to see them have as close if not the same way they would have sex off camera. That way we can say they are 100% faking. I think there are those directors and studios who dont allow the girls to be themselves and thats why we see scenes with them where it can come off as not authentic.
- Alot of foreplay. Sex is better when the girls are kissing and exploring from start to finish. Going straight to the pussy to get the girl off isnt really what most girls love anyways. Most girls will tell you they can get off just from foreplay. There are girls who can get off from tit sucking. And if you do foreplay well the girl will be so horny that it wont take long for them to have an orgasm once you go down on them. I just want to see more scenes with the girls explore each other from head to toe through the entire scene. Explore places that they didnt even know would turn them on. Especially when the two girls are shooting together for the first time. If its girls who have shot together multiple times they know about each other bodies. But even then they can always learn and try new things lol. So again foreplay and alot of it.
- Close ups to see pussy contractions and even strings of wetness and cum. The average person will say every girl or most girls fake orgasms in just about all of their scenes. The average girl will tell you they try and cum in just about all of their scenes. Well for me I tend to believe the actual girl who performs in the scene over the average viewer who watches it. The only way we will know for sure is if we see it. We need to see the pussy contract. I want to see the wetness dripping from the girl pussy. Like I saw April O'Neil in a GFF scene or Summer Day in a GFF scene. You saw the wetness hanging from April in a shot behind while she was eating and fingering her scene partner. You saw Summer Day pussy cream while Mindi Mink was eating and fingering her. I saw an OF scene with Sinn Sage and Georgia Jones where Sinn was fingering Georgia and her pussy was creaming. Like when you see that you know the girl isnt faking. Then I see in Abigail Mac OF scenes where her pussy contracts. Then she sticks her fingers in her pussy and shows the cum as she plays with it. All 100% real orgasms. So Id like studios to show that. Be like Jacky St. James and encourage girls to have real orgasms but then show it up close of the pussy contracting or the wetness or cream from the pussy. Even show the wetness on the girls face after she went down on the other girl. We see alot of time where they will say "I have you cum all over my chin, let me lick it off" but we dont see it up close to actually see the wetness on the chin or face. Id like to see that. And it dont have to be all the time but some times throughout the scene.
- Give the fans what they want. I noticed that studio sites literally took off their messages boards. AHL, AdultTime, GFF, etc... dont have message boards anymore where fans can request performers they want to see on the site and pairings they want to see on the site. Yes we can go on twitter and we have here to do it but you would think just for personal and direct reasons that there would be message board on the studio site itself for that. I honestly feel like I have a better shot to go on OF and ask a performer to shoot with another performer than I would asking a director for a specific site. As a matter of fact I did lol. I asked Sinn to shoot with Kenna James on OF and next thing you know they were booked doing scenes lol. Im confident I couldnt go to a director asking for Sinn and Kenna together and it would happen that easy if not at all. Now luckily Kenna and Sinn did shoot together for AHL but I found out they shot together for the studio after I asked Sinn and then found out Sinn and Kenna was shooting custom scenes for Sinn studio. So yeah I think directors need to listen to the fans. The performers are frustrated by not getting booked bc they want the fans to request them more. We the fans do request them alot but it feel like the directors dont listen. They need to listen. Its ok to book Alex Coal for a site 100 times if thats what the fans want. Its not ok when the fans want more of Alex but instead the studio gives us less of her if not none of her.
I see what you're saying but idk if I buy that too much, because kissing used to be much better before. I can tell it was much better for example in scenes from WLT until like 2017 or Girlsway until 2018. Heck, GFF have managed to improve the kissing in their scenes from a few months ago to now, so something must have changed. I guess I'm not sure it's really just a matter of "some girls just find it personal" if studios have noticeable periods where they have good kissing and periods where they don't (like now lol).
I don't know man, maybe it's a question of direction or they were just better at choosing the right girls before. Also, some girls manage to do fine in their b/g but then completely turn it off in g/g - that annoys me the most lol
Some of my fav older scenes that I can remember right now:
Malena and Bree Daniels - WLT 2013 Malena and Jayden Cole - WLT 2012 Lena Nicole and Charlie Laine - Women Seeking Women 36 Lena Nicole and Celeste Star - Twistys 2012 Lia Lor and April ON - Belladonna/Evil Angel 2012 or 2013 I can't remember Chastity Lynn and Cherie Deville - Cheer Squad 5 Eva Long and Avi Love - Lesbian Tutors 3
p.s. Mia Presley was incredible, and she actually married a woman which I thought was cool
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Posted - Aug 3 2022 : 12:59PM
^^^Off the top of my head, a couple are:
Malena Morgan and Redhead Bree Daniels for WLT Luna Star and Jenna Sativa for GFF Sara Luvv and Vicki Chase for InTheCrack
Should have mentioned: Gracie Glam and Brooke Lee Adams for Elegant Angel/Club59 - this is the height of porn. Two women fuck almost as real as they do alone with good cameras watching. So pure.
This type of exercise more enjoyable than whining about current g/g studio porn.
Broken Promises Janine & Jill Kelly Janine mentioned this scene on a talk show as an example of a favorite.
Tongue in Cheek 3 Eva Lovia & Dani Daniels These 2 were real life buddies & it showed. It had great workout outfits & 2 world class butts.
GirlGirl.com Angela White & Gianna Dior One of the site's 1st scenes, the plot was a bit silly, but 2 great performers sold the tension prior to the sex. That's what good story driven porn does.
Prison Girls Lily LaBeau & Bobbi Starr I respect both women as performers, but neither is a favorite of mine. Still, scene had the classic setting of a jail cell & the participants stayed in character throughout the scene. We could use more of that.
LesbianX Tori Black & Aidra Fox You could pick any scene from the Black comeback series. Just them stripping out of their skintight outfits was better than many full scenes being offered everyday.
Want to give Euro g/g porn a nod & simply say any of a number of Sophie Moone & Sandy scenes from 21st Sextury are worthy of consideration. Both women were stunning, good friends & uninhibited.
Oh wait, forgot the 1st scene I thought of to mention. We Live Together RK Malena Morgan & Asa Akira Think this is the best of the Malena scenes. She looked like she wanted to devour Akira before the sex kicked in & Asa was maybe the most enthusiastic star of that era.
Fun suggestion, gave me an excuse to go back through some of my favorites. In no particular order these are probably the G/G scenes that I find myself coming back to the most that haven't already been mentioned:
-Angela White & Lily Rader, Girlsway "Fashion Model sc.1"
-Abella Danger & Veronica Rodriguez, We Live Together "VRod Gets Dangerass"
^ Amen to that! IMHO the Malena era of WLT is the best g/g content ever. I would honestly pay whatever they want if they brought something like that back lol
I remember those random scenes where Dani Daniels would be filming handheld and just talking (she wouldn't even show her face on screen or be credited as a performer) but she'd still join in the action later after the scene really got going. Jesus those were amazing.
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Posted - Aug 3 2022 : 9:22PM
^I would too. Year-long memberships are like $100. I'd pay $200 or $300 for 4 scenes a month that are actually hypersexual.
Forget all the skits, find some chicks really, really, really don't mind playing in a pussy or actually like it, and let them go to work.
^^ Yes! Dani Daniels directing for WLT was pretty awesome. That scene she filmed with Jenna Sativa & Keisha Grey was one of their best, especially how mid-scene she joined in and even started tribbing on Keisha while still holding the camera. IIRC, she had mentioned on Twitter once how those things were never actually planned. She would get turned on if the scene was going really well and sometimes just decide to jump in mid-action.
^ Just fantastic scenes lol. I wish Sex Tape Lesbians had tried that approach, I think they only did one scene which was a threesome, it was Alex Chance, Halle Von and Dakota James. Problem with only two girls is the one with the camera has to perform and film at the same time, and its really difficult. Whenever they had a third girl filming she'd never join in and would be filming like 10 feet away in a closet lmao
^^ I'd pay that too. Honestly I'd pay (but maybe not $300) if they could remaster or upscale those WLT scenes lmao
I loved those scenes with Dani directing for WLT. My fav one is Allie and Maddy. I'm not really a fan of shower, pool, tub scenes or just water scenes in general but I have exceptions. That scene with Allie and Maddy with Dani directing then joining in was so hot.
Unplanned scenes are definitely hot. I remember the scene for GFF with Zoey Holloway and Veronica Snow in "Creeper Family 3" which is the only time they shot together.. I think one performer was supposed to do the scene with I want to say Veronica but that performer had to cancel so Zoey subbed it. Zoey was putting hickies on Veronica. I know this bc if you watch the interview with Veronica and Elexis Monroe in "Lesbian Sex 14" talked about this. Now that I think about it, had that performer which I think was Elexis didn't cancel and couldn't make it for that "Creeper Family 3" scene we would've never seen Zoey and Veronica shoot together. That's wild lol.
The latest Girlsway release, "No Nurse Is A Good Nurse" with Reagan Fox and Dixie Lyn is getting destroyed in the comment section and the Up/Down ratio. It seems like fans frustrations are reaching a boiling point with this one. To Ricky Greenwood's credit (surprised he directed it, would have expected better) he's there owning up to it and doing damage control in the comment section. First time I've seen them in the comment section there, I wonder if it's their idea or if the front office told him to get in there and try to do some PR work. The scene is nearing more thumbs down than up.
^ Haven't seen the scene but it's hard to give a scene that Reagan is in a thumbs down. I love Reagan scenes. Don't know the other girl so maybe it could be her being new and still trying to find her way on camera. Could be the storyline. But again for me just knowing it's Reagan in the scene and Ricky directing it's hard to think this scene is getting bashed so I'll have to eventually check it out to see what's the madness about.
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Posted - Aug 4 2022 : 11:25AM
I don't get the hate for that Reagan/Dixie scene. Seemed like an average everyday scene to me.
^^^Hmm, maybe the director themselves getting involved is a good sign of possible improvements.
And there is a good list of scenes recently provided in this thread that all G/G directors should look to and learn from, and see what G/G fans really want and like, outside of those obsessed with fauxcest.
In another news, since MetArt acquired StrapLez, Simon has been getting strapped down a lot. Looks like she will be a permanent bottom for the site.
I was curious about the hubbub, so I popped over to take a quick look. It's pretty clear that it the hate was almost exclusively directed at Dixie. She really seems to have phoned it in on this one, even down to the way she went down on Reagan.
Ricky was gracious in his damage control, and promised to rectify the situation.
I would definitely agree with this. That was a amazing scene. Ryan Ryans was absolutely devouring Celeste. Usually Celeste gets super sensitive but she managed to give her a few orgasms before she couldn't take it anymore.
Some of my favorites in no particular order:
Ryan Ryans & Dani Daniels - Nothing But Heat (Ryan Ryans predictably goes crazy on Dani's pussy) Aidra Fox & Eva Lovia - Tender Touch (the way Eva devours Aidra's pussy near the beginning and how Aidra eats Eva out from behind near the end of the scene is magic) Jenna Sativa & Mandy Muse (Both scenes they did together) - Jenna seems to REALLY have a thing for Mandy. Both scenes she seems like she gets to have sex with her biggest crush. Aidra Fox & Ashlyn Molloy - Both scenes (They did together, the have sex like no cameras are there just totally into each other) Kenna James Mia Malkova - Real Wet (raw pussy eating at it's finest) Dani Daniels Sophia Knight - All You Can Eat (Sophia Knight amazing here, she goes crazy on Dani and vice versa) Vannesa Veracruz Abigail Mac - Secret Garden (Abigail is one of the queens of girl/girl and this scene shows why) Jenna Sativa Ellena Woods - Grinding Ellena (Both of these girls are seriously into each other) Dani Daniels Sammie Rhodes Malena Morgan Nina James - Give and Take (One of my favorites for the simple fact that Dani Daniels devours Sammie Rhodes like she wanted her for a LONG time and finally got the chance) Malena Morgan Celeste Star - Wild Lips (If you had any question about whether Malena is really into girls just watch this scene where she eats Celeste out from behind, amazing)
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Posted - Aug 4 2022 : 8:04PM
I didn't think it was that bad. I mean I just jerked off to it. I will say though, It might just be the way she performs but Lynn seemed drunk and/or high.
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Posted - Aug 4 2022 : 10:22PM
Take these scenes, cut out 75% of the physical action, replace the action with constant yelling from one performer and repeatedly saying "oh omg you're licking my pussy" from the other one, and cut 10 minutes from the action part of the scene and add 10 minutes to the beginning. The beginning is the performers talking about how one of them is the other's mom and she has been wanting to have sex with the daughter since she was a kid (WTF). And that's how you get today's average lesbian content.
Not sure what happened to the genre but someone should fix it
That's funny i didn't think about that until you mention it now. Yes i believe just about all of them were we live together. I think one scene with Jenna Sativa and Mandy Muse was and the other was with another company.
Well said, unfortunately. How could it be this bad when studios have such examples of great content out there to use as examples of what works? I'm sure it's incredibly difficult to find the next Malena Morgan, Dani Daniels, Shyla Jennings or Jenna Sativa but they have to be out there. Just pay them well.
Here's the reason I asked: if you're going to discuss scenes here at ADT, you should always list the scene name and site name, so people know where to find it. Otherwise, very shortly someone (in this case it was me) will want to know that info, and you could have provided it in the first place.
Yea, I think only a handful of the newer girls are in that tier or close to it, although tbf those are like some of the best g/g performers ever lol. I gotta be realistic I guess
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Posted - Jul 31 2022 : 7:19PM
