Viv, Dan version of GFF, Mason, WLT, SweetheartVideo, FillyFilms, Twistys, Yanks, Party of 3, you name it. All much more sexual than the useless garbage (on average) we have today.
All of the sexuality of those sites has been lost and replaced with moronic screaming and moaning, endless painfully dumb commentary during the "sex," and just the goofiest clown performing possible. Just utterly childish and unerotic nonsense and Girlsway is a huge part of that move away from eroticism and toward acting as dumb as possible.
^^Going back over the first couple years of Girlsway content, they actually were able to walk a pretty good balance between silly storylines and hijinks as scene-setup while maintaining a high level of heat & passion with the actual sex. The problem is that everyone simply decided that all you need is a bunch of ham-fisted silliness as set-up and somehow that will make the scene good. Unfortunately Girlsway themselves basically gave up on even trying to walk that balance and joined in with the rest of the garbage content. But yes those other studio examples are definitely examples of who used to produce high-end lesbian content. I'd quibble a little bit though with WLT and Party of 3 as examples of being part of the glory days. They certainly had their strong points at various times (especially when Malena Morgan was the WLT contract girl), but I think on-balance they both were victim to some pretty bad 'overly fake screaming' trends that's become the standard in most of lesbian porn.
If I were to pinpoint a specific 'Gold Standard' timeframe in terms of lesbian/queer content, I'd have to go with the Girlfriends Films run from about 2008-2017. Within that roughly 9(ish) year window you had GFF really riding high with their regular output of fantastic scenes, especially when you consider that was the high point of them having India Summer, Samantha Ryan, Shyla Jennings, Prinnzess, and countless other standout G/G performers regularly appearing in their releases. And then factoring in Sweetheart Videos, Filly Films, and the emergence of Girlsway, there was an abundance of high quality lesbian porn during that timeframe (and that's excluding Kink since they're BDSM fetish, but they even they had a lot of really good lesbian fetish stuff at the time).
My memory's hazy, but I don't know how much time there was between "the golden to silver era" of G/G and the start of GirlsWay.
From what I recall, it was shortly before GirlsWay that the quantity of high-level G/G, and the quality started to drop. Then upon GirlsWay's success there was a combo of new sites and resurrection of old G/G sites, which mostly did not last.
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^^Ah yeah, sorry. Anytime I mention WLT, I really just mean the LanskyMalena time-period and a few Muffia scenes I saw. Post-Lansky WLT just looks like Girlsway with a bit less pre-sex dialogue.
What I have seen of Party of 3 is totally sexual, but I haven't seen a bunch of it.
Just give me a site that doesn't try and act like lesbian erotica is literally two girls crudely going at each others pussies in different variations until one of the them pees in the other ones eye,all while making crudr,annoying noises. Shit like that is damn near like a bad joke but i know there's an audience that likes it. You could literally play like,circus music(u know,the song that goes "du du du nona du nona")and it would literally fit a majority of lesbian porn.
^^^The date ranges don't overlap perfectly, also we're talking subjective quality comparisons so I guess that depends on everyone's preferences. Girlsway launched in 2013 (although IMO creatively they really kicked in around '14), looking back at IAFD GFF had numerous new releases with Shyla Jennings, Dana Dearmond, India Summer, Prinzzess (etc etc.), though it does look like their count of their new releases did dip a bit. Also during that period Sweetheart had a couple dozen full-length film releases directed by Dana Vespoli, which included some of the all-time great lesbian performers (selfishly the two series 'Girls Kissing Girls' & 'Lesbian Strap-on Adventures' are like my Holy Grail). So I guess if you wanted to get hyper-specific, it seems like there was a 3 year window during GFF's 'golden' era run where there was also a large amount of high-quality lesbian content available from other studios.
I'm probably more bullish than others here in that I think high quality G/G will eventually make a comeback in some form, if for no other reason it remains a highly sought after category in terms of video searches. But I'm not sure we'll ever have another run like that brief period of time because it was basically an embarrassment of riches.
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Apparently that is the only audience, as the companies don't care to make much of anything else. And that audience gets mad as hell if you call the pee pee, too. I do it on Adulttime sometimes just to watch the downvotes pile up lmao.
People really eat up the freakshow element of lesbian porn(and porn in general)till the point it stagnates when Lesbian porn can be. When a scene jumps to straight pussy eating in the first 3-5 minutes,i know its not for me. I truly believe that Lesbians do prefer gay men porn because theres more of a focus on sexy bodies,caressing and of course,real orgasms. Its very simple,give people sexy women with sexy fit bodies,give them time and let them truly explore one another,but i guess its not that simple.
But yes,im championing Wowgirls/Ultrafilms for a long time,only site to have a lesbian nipple orgasm video and i still can't get over how amazing Alexis Crystal looked in that one scene,the abs,the nipples,her curves etc. The lighting and camerawork just made her body glow. Their the best erotica site to me by a good margin cause they aren't afraid of real sensuality/sexuality and they do so much lil stuff you never see anywhere else.(only site that i know of that lets women put their t-shirts behind their back so they show their breast/chest because they actually do breast play/nipple play on that site).
Yeah, that run was so good also because there were just so many amazing g/g stars all in the industry at the same time. Not sure that can happen now when there just aren't that many good g/g performers left. I'd say there's only around 10 girls right now (and Mike Quasar says 7 or 8 lol) who you can depend on to give a good g/g performance, so just from a numbers perspective I doubt we can get a run like that again.
I think all this discussion about how bad lesbian porn is these days when it comes to mainstream, there is a simple solution...join onlyfans. Support the performers on their own brand. I know alot of hate and negativity to spewed towards onlyfans direction and rightfully so. Onlyfans could be better. I know that, you know that, even the performers know that. In the end, most performers put their heart, soul, and sweat into their work to make the best content for themselves. They collab with other performers the fans want to see, they shoot the types of scenes they know the fans want to see. Its authentic and its really good.
Yes you have to pay up and I dont want to count another person money so I dont know what any of you are willing to spend. Mainstream you have a option to pay $20 per month for a sub. If you join onlyfans and lets just say you get a free 30 day trial (which btw no mainstream studio will offer that), $20 for a scene is the norm in terms of a locked message. At least thats what I see from the performers I follow like Abi, Lena, Ivy, Lacy, etc.... You have those like Angela White, Karmen Karma, Dana DeArmond who will charge like $10 or less per scenes. Now its a different animal when you literally ask most performers for a scene. Then they will want you to tip them alot. If they havent released it yet and you want it early they will ask for alot as well. Again it comes down to how badly you want to see the scene and how much you are willing to spend. I go back to what I said, you get what you pay for.
I think its worth it bc yall are right, the content that mainstream has produced over the recent years havent been top notch. I have to pick and choose which scenes and studios I watch. I watch AHL, GFF, Lust Cinema, Twistys but thats really for the "Girl Crush" series, and AdultTime. In AdultTime my go to series are "True Lesbian", "WeLikeGirls", and Im liking the "Modern-Sins" series too. I havent really dug in deeply in the other series alot like I should but outside of that Im mainly watching onlyfans content. I have so much onlyfans content and trust me when I say its worth it. Lena Paul, Ivy Lebelle, Sinn Sage, Abi, Lacy like you name it. The content is so worth it and its refreshing.
Again these performers pour their heart, soul, and sweat into their work. Alot of them either stop shooting mainstream or has completely scaled back from shooting as much mainstream to focus solely on their onlyfans. For really various reasons. So we can talk about how there arent many great performers left shooting mainstream which is true. The great ones that we know and love are still shooting its just barely mainstream but mainly for onlyfans. So you can still check them out and enjoy the content.
^ It depends on the performer you sub to. There are performers like Abi, Lacy, Ivy, Lena who all do excellent jobs promoting their scenes. You have nice trailers/teasers for upcoming scenes. Like from my experience being on onlyfans for 3yrs now I rarely can tell you the times where Ive gotten scenes that either I didnt see a trailer too or had no idea what I was getting. And I would say twice Ive gotten a scene where Id consider it a waste. Once bc there was no sound and Ive never got that fixed and the other was the sound was out of sync. So twice out of countless of scenes Ive purchased that I consider a waste.
It's a bit of a shot in the dark in terms of quality, since you don't really know what you'll be getting until you actually subscribe. The good news is that it's very easy to unsubscribe and bail out if you're not happy with what is being offered in an account. There's a thread here of recommendations for specific performers who have quality OF pages: Onlyfans Recommendations.
As far as G/G specific performers go: Sinn Sage, Lacy Lennon, Abigail Mac, Angel Long, Serene Siren all have OF accounts that are worth the cost of subscription (all of Lacy's full-length scenes are behind locked PPV messages. However, she actually hires industry directors to do the camerawork so you're getting high-quality stuff). Sinn Sage is probably the best value overall, since she provides a lot of open video content in addition to PPV stuff. But all of the ones listed are worth the 5-10 subscription price.
You are speaking my favorite language my friend. It is my favorite thing to see and there are never enough or long enough closeups as well. It's a shame I won't even watch some studios of videos knowing how bad the camera work can be, or the action as well. It pains me to say some of the best ass licking I have seen is actually in threesome scenes in the beginning of ones with Mike Adriano. The only issue is he is in them whether he's talking, being shown, or using his hands on their ass, etc. My favorite lesbian ass licking clips have come from inthecrack but they are pretty rare and not actual movies.
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Posted - Sep 11 2022 : 11:11PM
Studio content has gotten so bad that it is driving me back to the real world, which is ultimately a good thing, but still. The only non-Manwin (I don't subscribe to those to know if they're good but doubt it) corporate site that isn't on a major sexless, unerotic downswing is GFF, in my opinion, and GFF isn't the absolute best it could be.
I'll third alot of what LezFan and High said about OF. Abigail Mac was apparently just in LA, so she should have some new stuff to check out soo .
One thing I can't help wondering about with OF is potential for inconsistent pricing. Like, someone sent me an unlock I thought was a bit wild on price for the length of the vid and I wondered if that is how she prices all the time. The women who just make posts for their video unlocks that you can see on their wall without messaging for them are the superior professionals, in my mind.
^ I think those who have more experience with OF can tell those performers who take their pages seriously over those who dont. So I hear so many people complaining about certain performers who do them wrong. Its those performers who dont take their pages seriously so you should run and spread the word so people will know. And to those who do take their pages seriously we need to spread even more love to them.
As you mentioned about Abi, she literally run her page like a mainstream site. Constant new content, re-releases for discounts, bundles, etc... Like she and Ill throw in Lena Paul they have a backlog of scenes that they will release upcoming. So those who want to see great G/G content are definitely missing out on that with OF. Not saying every scene is great bc just like mainstream there are scenes that are hit or miss but I feel like there are more hits than misses when it comes to OF content. Thats strictly me saying that bc I try to follow the right performers. I cant speak on if someone follows some performer Ive never heard of and say her content is crappy.
^ Thanks guys for all the info on OF, might give it a try soon! Probably gonna read more reviews to get a better idea of who to subscribe to, but I've made a note of the girls mentioned.
p.s. I caught the Lily Larimar/Kylie Rocket scene on Web Young and it was really good, highly recommended.
So much porn/lesbian porn just focuses on being carny amusement,some are better then others but,i feel like thats the end goal for porn in 2022,to be carny amusement,not entertainment that arouses your senses. And i agree with all the IF talk. If you see a performer you like releasing content,support,i already buy content from a few people i like.
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Posted - Sep 12 2022 : 3:54PM
^^That had too much porno talk and faking for me. Just another reason to cancel.
^Really just Ana Foxxx as far as porn stars,even though i wanna start buying Abella Danger clips. I bought a scene with Foxxx and Madison Ivy last week that was pretty decent,think i paid like $10 for it. Most of her stuff is solo stuff and quality can vary. Im still kind of new to the OF thing though,its not our savior but its an alternative.(Stay away from celebrity OFs ,huge scamrs)
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If you have a Wowgirls subscription and never really looked through the archives,please do yourself a favor and watch "New Girl Is Always Feel Special" with Stacy Bloom and Hayli Sanders,it has to be one of the most hypersensual/erotic scenes in modern porn. Stacy Bloom is probably too pretty for porn but wow,the pure vulnerability shown by her in this video is almost over the top,in the most sensual way possible. Good performance from Hayli as well but,as soon as those tiny panties come off Stacy and you her wet,fresh vagina,i think it'll help people understand Wowgirls is in another league.
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Posted - Sep 12 2022 : 5:54PM
Latest Wowgirls stuff was putting me off before I canceled a couple months ago. My worst pet peeve with porn is fake moaning and it was getting annoying at at Wowgirls; i think they even used a moaning track for a couple scenes.
Of course, same for VivThomas these days too, as far as fake moaning goes.
Totally understand,im just very big on Wowgirls visuals and some of their scenes really do fire on all cylinders in terms of real orgasms/sounds. To me,at least Wowgirls is trying to be erotica,all the other stuff on Adulttime that isn't third party like SinfulXXX is in your face,letting you know,that your watching a carny show. Thats why Wowgirls can claim its crown,on the lesbian side of things,no one is really attempting to make content that mixes glamour and queer in the lesbian genre like Wowgirls/Ultrafilms is.
(Im really afraid im souning like a shill lol)
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^lol no worries about sounding like a shill. I WISH I had something to shill about
Ha,if you really want real scenes and orgasms,top to bottom,try "ifeelmyself" mostly solo vids but they have lesbian scenes,and everything is real. As far as Wowgirls/Ultrafilms goes,they understand fantasy and over the top/hypersensuality better then anyone else,and it feels like their the only ones doing it. Its the only place where you can get a scene with Nancy A,getting her nipples played with and sucked for like 8 minutes,while wearing one of smallest bright yellow thongs you've ever seen,while the camera showcases just how fucking amazing Nanyy A body looks.
They get "it" in my opinion,a good number of their lesbian scenes just have a flaming sexuality to them,that no one else is even coming close to.
The scene in "New Girl Is Always Feel Special" where the small vibrator/toy is sliding down Stacy Blooms wet vagina should be damn near illegal with how sensual it is. Just a full blown shot of Blooms body,but were looking between her legs and Hayli is just letting the toy slide down her vagina,at least 3 times,showing you how wet Bloom is. Her Vagina looks clean,fresh and precious in this moment,Bloom seems so incredibly exposed in this moment but,she doesn't try to fight it,she embraces it. Its such a feminine queer energy,absolutely no one else is doing coming out of that scene(and the whole movie actually)
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Several posts up, someone mentioned an Alexis Crystal nipple orgasm scene at WowGirls. Do you happen to remember the title or any other identifying detail? Right up my alley.
I can relate to the criticisms of Wow/Ultra (and other studios), but I do find many good scenes there and bought a yearlong membership on a recent sale. I suppose keeping up with a content schedule is ever more difficult these days.
I especially like the slower pace of certain Wow/Ultra scenes. I could swear the speed's been slowed down in post-production, but that's the benefit of high frame rates. Looks absolutely gorgeous on a large and high-quality screen.
^^ Yeah, I know AdultTime gets a ton of criticism on here but VivThomas has had a really steep drop in quality too. Great lighting and video quality but the performances are absolutely abysmal.
Almost every scene I've watched on VivThomas recently the girls are just phoning it in - barely grazing the clit when going down, super peckish kissing with zero tongue. You can tell they're either scared or grossed out having to touch another girl. It's basically bad softcore now.
IMO Euro girls are beautiful but it feels like most of them, especially the newer ones, just don't like doing g/g and it shows. The only new Euro girl (well relatively new) I can think of right now that I'm really impressed by is Alissa Foxy and maybe Freya Mayer, so we're still relying on your Alexis Crystals, Aislins etc to get a decent scene. Jo even had to come out of retirement lol.
^Vivthomas/Sexart in general is just boring now,just like you said,most of the new Vivthomas scenes are phoned in with the girls seeming totally uninterested in each other. I know i seen a recent scene with some terribleproductions,its just not good.
^^I have to find that scene,I don't think the scene features Alexis Crystal and I know for a fact she isn't the one receiving the nipple orgasm(i was commenting on how amazing her body look in a particular scene on Wowgirls). The scene definitely starts with the two girls talking and one of them mentions how there nipples are sensitive and they can have a nipple orgasm,and they proceed for like 12-15 minutes filming this chick getting her nipples played with till orgasm. Its not the whole scene but its very refreshing to see something like that.
Just to give everyone the heads up Lust Cinema has a sale on right now to sub to them for 30 days for $1 streaming+download. Its one of my fav sites bc their movies are quality. Definitely are worth checking out. If you dont like it you can cancel any time on the site. There is an option to cancel. Im familiar with how all of it operates as I was once subbed to it and I just cancelled when I wanted to know problem. Now Im back bc there are alot of new movies out with G/G scenes that Im interested in checking out.
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Posted - Sep 13 2022 : 11:12AM
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Yes, I was thinking about re-subscribing to Lust Cinema after the free 1-month subscription I got for buying a sex toy from liberator.com. run out months ago. This would be a great time to join again, Lust Cinema makes great movies with Casey Calvert at the head of the pack. But I'm not sure if Lust Cinema has enough g/g movies for most g/g fans on here. I think g/g fans should look at Lust Cinema movies as Hollywood movies with real sex scenes and should watch them like a normal Hollywood movie, first. If you're looking for g/g scenes from an Erika Lust site, check out xconfessions.com . XConfessions does short erotic vignettes from stories members write -in, you'll find more g/g scenes there. They also have the same deal going on. Here's a pro-tip: sign up to Lust Cinema and XConfessions newsletter/ emailer, they sometimes send you a free 1-month subscription to one of the sites
watched the scene, agree it's a great one. girls are highly beautiful and it as you say, very real-seeming sensuality. one thing I'll say, as someone generally stuck in the past watching porn from when all my favorite stars were around - it is such a shame cinematography then wasn't like it is now. the wowgirls scene is essentially one long lingering closeup of their whole gorgeous bodies, no *ridiculous*, *inept*, *self-congratulatorily bullshit* camera work as was still the rule as recently as 15 years ago. OH the opportunities that were fumbled by (most) directors of that era, when the pornstars were ever so hot - I weep.
Yes,i feel Wowgirls understands what everyone else is doing and tgey try not to do it,their in another universe. That scene was really beautiful cause Hayli wasn't some violent dom,she really wanted to give Bloom pleasure and Bloom,had so much feminine energy in this scene. Bloom slowly embracing the homoerotic-ness of the whole ordeal felt very private,like we were peaking in on them,i think i believe her when bloom said "she turned bisexual" during that scene. I love how its one big shot also,especially the ones between her naked wet legs.
She looked so exposed,Blooms vagina is simply gorgeous in this scene.
Slightly OT, but there is (finally) a producer looking for feedback for a new casting site ("How would you make your perfect casting site?"). I'm mentioning it on this thread in the hopes that we can all give some much-needed feedback on a potential G/G casting site (as far as I can recall, there hasn't been one since "Female Agent" a few years back, and nothing stateside).
I'm very likely being overly optimistic, but a site like that could remedy quite a few issues we currently have with today's content (lack of good G/G talent being a big one).
^I've been wanting to see something like that for awhile. Especially since Female Agent started dropping the ball when the cameraman would start talking and ruining the scenes by announcing their presence.
Been wanting more G/G Reality in general like a G/G Shoplyfter or Bang Bus. I hope that director isn't like I suspect only considering a B/G site when they made that inquiry.
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Posted - Sep 14 2022 : 9:36PM
Looks like GFF is downgrading to 1 new scene per week.
Same here. I definitely lost interest when that happened. I still don't know why they stopped, or why other European casting sites haven't made the full commitment (outside of the occasional half-hearted scene with a girl who "refuses" to work with guys).
As for the producer - I suspect that you are right and ended up asking him on the thread. Fingers crossed...
That's interesting because I noticed that GFF didn't issue a September release calendar. Hopefully they will be back to normal come October as there's really no reason for them to scale back that much!
I just watched a new scene from the Adulttime series, Dare we share, just released yesterday. It features a lesbian threesome with Jayden Cole, Freya Parker and Gizelle Blanco. It was really good!!!
The scene is slow and intense. The three performers are great and show an incredible chemistry between them. I have to say many of the hot moments come from Jayden and Freya. It really looks that both of them were into each other. In one part, Jayden eats Freya's pussy with so much craving. She really wanted it!!! Now, I hope these two can have one scene together, because maybe they could deliver a great encounter.
Honestly, I enjoyed this scene so much. I know the quality is decreasing on the Girl/Girl scenario, but sometimes, you can find unique work out there that still demosntrates there is still potential.
That Arabesque scene from SLAYED,is literally all aesthetic,0 substance. The scenario in which the scene is set in calls for something much slower,sensual and perhaps,more homoerotic. Instead,we rush through the parts that would actually make a scene like this a hot fantasy and skip straight into basic lesbian porno territory. Plus,the scene is an hr plus long!,so much could've been done in that time frame,instead,the girls get immediately naked around 5 mins and proceed to make a lesbian porno i guess. Very disappointing in terms of the setting and outfits,could've been a much more interesting scene.
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Posted - Sep 15 2022 : 4:21PM
^^I'll take another look at it, but skimming through it earlier, the endless baby-voicing was getting on my nerves lol
Idk what you all think of the new scene with Aiden and Charlotte but its my type of scene. I love when Aiden get all sweaty. I dont believe Ive seen her get this sweaty ever and thats saying something since she seemingly always get really sweaty. Ill never forget what she said one day about you can tell when she is really having orgasms bc of how sweaty she gets. Ill say it again, Aiden is the most underrated performer in the industry. She is hardworking and a great performer who gives it her all yet she isnt truly recognized in terms of awards. I know awards arent the end all be all but I just wish one year she gets recognized for all the awesome scenes she put out. And Charlotte has steady been doing alot of work too in terms of scene after scene. So props to her too.
^ I liked it! Aiden is one of my favorite performers and she always brings it - seeing her all sweaty and going at Charlotte was really hot lol. I admit I usually don't like Charlotte's scenes because she rarely uses her tongue when kissing, but it was better this time. Would have preferred if they let Charlotte take her shoes off though, looked a little uncomfortable.
It's the typical Slayed scene with a few more girls. You may have been found it "very disappointing", but certainly not surprising at all. They gave the subscribers what they expect for their money.
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Posted - Sep 16 2022 : 1:28AM
Someone reminded me about ifeelmyself in here the other day and it's actually good stuff. Could use a site redesign though. And more frequent GG, but I suppose the archive is decent for someone new.
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