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blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 17 2022 : 7:27PM
I actually consider the threesome to be somewhat a waste of time, since it's missing the one thing I want to see from this website -- missionary sex. The actual highlight of the scene comes before Cherry Kiss shows up with the Feeldoe, when it was just Marina Gold and Alika Penagos. Alika, the dark haired girl is especially enchanting to me. There's something about her dark skin and hair which contrast so sharply with the white shirt and pearl that is so sexy, especially with those rock hard nipples.

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I really like another recent scene between Zazie Skymm and Tiffany Tatum titled Lustful Exposure 2.

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Once again I'm happy to report that it does not neglect conventional oral sex. The missionary and the kissing are just wonderful.

Now that more and more "regular" MetArt girls are joining the site, I occurs to me that it seems they are all using the Feeldoe really well, even though I don't think any of them (with the arguable exception of Cherry Kiss) can be considered conventional strap-on specialist by past showing. So is the feeldoe really so much easier to use? If so, why hasn't any American producers picked up the torch? Or have I missed some such scenes?

high_flyin5
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Posted - Oct 17 2022 : 8:59PM
^I'm a huge Cherry Kiss fan specifically because of her work in lesbian scenes, so her appearing as a top on Straplez (which is one of my favorite G/G sites) was like Christmas morning to me. Regarding your question about feeldoes: I know performers like Sinn Sage who are experienced strap-on specialists don't care for them because they find the fit awkward when they're really trying to get into the thrusting motions of sex, as it easily falls out (Sinn has talked about that before in a podcast interview). I think the reason most performers on Straplez can use them pretty well is because they always use pantyhose or similar material, which basically keeps the dildo secured in-place.
blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 17 2022 : 11:08PM
I understand the pantyhose. Still, the question stands: why not use them? For someone who is already good at the traditional strap-on, I can see why there's no point to this. But for the vast majority of women in porn who are not good at the strap-on, it looks very user-friendly and can dramatically expand casting choices for producers.
gooch
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Posted - Oct 18 2022 : 8:05AM
It's the thick and covering garments (hose, etc) that hampers it's adoption. Folks are paying to see these women fully nude, many of us are at least (myself included). The thing that prevents me from joining StrapLez? Those garments! The thick hose scene after scene, covering up large swathes of the woman's body (sadly her barefeet too). That's the holdup. That's why you don't see it. It requires too much clothing to use. I'll take a traditional strap scene over this style always due to their needing to stay covered up while using it.
 
blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 18 2022 : 12:14PM
I understand this is why some viewers may not like it, but there are many like me who subscribe to straplez (and surely many more who don't for financial reason but still love the video), who do and would love to see some American girls get into it. Has anyone ever asked an American producer/director, like Bree Mills or Mike Quasar or Lacy Lennon etc. to consider this?
blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 18 2022 : 7:47PM
Well, in honor of Scarlett's pending return, I've decided to look through GFF and found this little gem that I missed the first time around. It's a scene between Scarlett and the often under-appreciated Athena Faris from Lesbian Sex 18 released in May 2018.

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The scene starts with a long interview between the two. It turns out they are real life good friends, and Scarlett is the one who got Athena into porn, and is Athena's first woman. Also Scarlett tells of her first real life g/g experience. If you have not heard of it before, it's kinda wild and interesting to listen to. Guest star of the interview: Scarlett's giggle, best in the business imo.

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After that it's just lips, fingers, and tongues, all put to excellent use. A really nice moment is at the very end after all the sex, they just spent three minutes slowly kissing before fading to black.

blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 18 2022 : 8:09PM
I just watched that one g/g scene, which is between Misty Stone and Cali Caliente. I'd say it's not the worst but certainly below-average. The kissing is minimal, the lighting is bad, they do it on a desk so the movements are cramped. There are some occasional flashes of good oral, but mostly not good. Out of the 8 actresses who starred in the first Sweet Sally Mae, I'd say Misty's performance is the worst, and she is the one they bring back and pair her with a complete newcomer? Frankly I'm surprised it's not a bigger disaster than I had thought it would be.

On the positive side, all the non-sex stuff is actually really good, from costumes to sets to dialogue to story. Too bad since there's no more g/g, I have no interest to keep watching.

aclayfan All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 19 2022 : 12:26PM
Scarlett Sage is an excellent g/g performer. As time went on, however, she became the #1 over-the-top fake orgasm screamer in the business. Let's hope, if she does return, she leaves that part of her act behind. I expect some moaning/screaming in my porn, but Scarlett was approaching Lily Carter in the theatrics. It got hard to watch.
Aya
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Posted - Oct 19 2022 : 3:10PM
Taking a page out of one the other threads; What are some of your favorite G/G Orgasms?

For me, some I like:

Lesbian Seductions 44 - Rain DeGrey strapped Prinzzess to a good one.
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LesbianX (Her 1st Anal Strapon) - Chanel Preston did the same to Scarlett Sage
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Women Seeking Women 96 - Veruca James Tribbed Brea Bennett to a nice one using the proper trib position.
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Of course orgasm authenticity is always in question, but if it looks believable to the viewer, then it's effective.

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Posted - Oct 19 2022 : 3:58PM
^Michelle Anthony seems believable with Freya in between her legs for Girlfriends


I think Jenna Sativa reacted for real in one of her scenes with Luna Star for GFF, the one where Jenna is in a cheerleader outfit.

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Posted - Oct 19 2022 : 6:29PM
Delilah Day gave Jesse Pony some fantastic-looking head in Bad Lesbian 16 from GFF. I had seen Delilah before in some Quasar stuff, and she never stood out to me before, but she was a revelation to me in BL 16.

It also helped that Jesse is pretty down there.

Edited by - lezzyist on 10/19/2022 6:31:45 PM

westerncop
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Posted - Oct 19 2022 : 7:18PM
I agree to some extent about Euro g/g scenes/ I've found that if the girls aren't into each other then the scene becomes tedious and predictable. However, if they seem to be KISSING passionately it almost always tends to be a very entertaining scene.

blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 19 2022 : 9:29PM
Have you ever wondered how lesbian porn is discussed in academic circles? No? Well I guess it's just my neurosis then. For fun, I've found an article that discusses lesbian porn in the context of aggression in porn (I can't find any that discusses contemporary lesbian porn exclusively), titled "Aggression and Pleasure in Opposite-Sex and Same-Sex Mainstream Online Pornography" by Kimberly Seida and Eran Shor from the sociology department of McGill University (a school in Canada). The study was done in 2018, and the article was published in "The Journal of Sex Research" in 2019. They trawled through pornhub for the top 70 most viewed videos of all time in the m/f, f/f, and m/m categories. Below is their main finding.

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Some explanations and interesting things (with respect to lesbian porn) to note:

- The first line under the "Aggression/humiliation" heading, which is "physical aggression - visible (definition not considering consent)" means anything that includes the listed elements from "verbal aggression" to "other aggression."

- The second line under that heading, which is "physical aggression - nonconsensual (definition considering consent)" means some sort of simulated coerced sex/rape. Since this considers the context, the numbers are a lot lower as the "aggression" elements are portrayed as consensual in most videos.

- By their definition, around 25% of m/m and f/f porn have some elements of physical aggression, whereas only 12.9% of m/f porn has such.

- The last two rows under Aggression/humiliation ("ejaculation in mouth" and "ejaculation on face") are not considered aggression but humiliation, which is why even though together they happen in ~60% of m/f porn, only 12.9% of m/f porn are considered to have aggression.

- People love lesbian spanking? In fact, at 24.3%, it's by far and away the most common "aggression" category of any sexual orientation. I'm surprised by this because I seldom run into them. Perhaps they are concentrated in the mom/daughter fauxcest genre, and I tend not to watch those.

- The authors offer two potential explanations as for why the greater "aggression" in f/f porn vs. m/f porn. One is that this is a sort of eroticized female violence/"cat fight" (this probably doesn't work for spanking). Another is that f/f "aggression" is considered less threatening than m/f "aggression" (this is almost certainly true).

- Lesbians love 5.7? This apparent magic number covers all three categories of coerced sex, face hitting, and choking. It's probably the same 4 scenes out of 70 (5.7%) that account for all of these. Wonder what those are.

- For the affection/pleasure category: most of the stuff is pretty self-explanatory, and they confirm all of our assumptions/prejudices about lesbian porn being soft/sensual/romantic (the spanking notwithstanding). Physical affection (defined by the authors as "kissing, hugging, caressing, praising, and sweet-talking") is nearly universal at 97.1%, and 15.3% of the time is spent on this, both of which are far more than either m/f or m/m porn.

BTW in case you are curious, the most viewed f/f clip of all time on pornhub as of today is a 10 minute clip of a Girlsway scene between Abella Danger and August Ames playing stepsisters with 69.4 million views. To put this number in perspective, the actual scene itself has only been viewed 43,000 times on Adult Time. I'd say neither is typically thought of as on the Mt. Rushmore of lesbian erotica, but both performed credibly in that scene. It's a bit of mystery why this specific scene has turned out to be so popular.

Edited by - blackdragontea on 10/19/2022 9:37:24 PM

blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 21 2022 : 12:57PM
^OK just to correct myself of the above post: upon more detailed review (and a moment of reflection), I can see why that clip is so popular. Abella was/is one of the best known pornstars, and August is one of the most incredible beauties ever. Furthermore, they performed more than credibly. The oral sex in this scene is actually done really, really well.

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August, RIP. A quick review of some of her scenes (for example, a great scene between her and Ryan Ryans from WLT) just reminds me of how good a g/g performer she was, in addition to how beautiful she was.

Also, on the topic of "favorite G/G orgasms" I'm sort of stumped. Too many come to mind. Looking at the statistics cited in the study above, it sort of makes sense. In the very last line of the table it talks about "non-dominant orgasm," which basically means the woman in m/f scenes and whoever did not initiate the sex in f/f scenes, it's 1 in 10 for m/f scenes and 7 in 10 in f/f scenes. In other words, if it happens in m/f scenes it's very rare and logically more notable/memorable; if it happens in f/f scenes, it's pretty much taken for granted and does not make the scene stand out.

 
blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 21 2022 : 10:52PM
A few quick words on two scenes from Lesbea/Sexy Hub. After the last scene I reviewed, I got very curious about the petite blonde Rika Fane. She has appeared in several scenes in Lesbea. I thought she was very cute, so watched the following two scenes. One is Rika with a girl named Arina Shy, another is with a girl named Lilly Bella.

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Very unfortunately I have to say that despite showing brief flashes of good action from Rika, both scenes are in general lacking in, well, everything: kissing, fingering, oral. A lot of posing but little real action. This is a big disappointment to me because I had really hoped Rika would be a great girl lover. I mean, she looks so awesome that I'm using this screencap as my desktop background now.

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This is her sitting on Lilly's face. Just look at her! So beautiful, so cute! Ah it breaks my heart. Compare this to say Viv Thomas which manages to consistently produce much better scenes, I wonder how much is due to the different cast, and how much is due to having someone like Sandra Shine as a director (I have no idea who even directs for Lesbea/Sexy Hub).

blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 22 2022 : 10:35AM
A question: do talents actually get better, or are they always more or less how they are? In other words, in your viewing experience, do you see women start out as mediocre or even bad at having sex with other women but then gradually get better as they have more scenes, or are the great ones just start out great and the not-so-great ones start out that way and never change much?

I have always thought you get better at anything by doing it more, but lately I am having doubts. For the really good ones, I have trouble recalling truly bad early scenes (of course that may just be selective memory); for the not-so-good ones, they don't seem to get better...

LezFan
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Posted - Oct 22 2022 : 11:35AM
^ Performers do get better even if you really don't notice it. I've heard stories of how awful some performers were their first time shooting. Kayden Kross was the most interesting one to me. Also Kimmy Granger said her first time she just laid there with her eyes closed. Zoe Britton said her first G/G was actually with Justine Juli which she had sex with alot off camera. First time on camera with her Zoe had a panic attack as they were prepping to start the scene. Justine had to calm her down.

I will say that girls like Jill Kassidy and Vanna Bardot improved in my eyes over time as I watched them. With Jill a friend told me maybe it could've been confidence after winning BNS that she took off with her performances. Vanna I still can't get into her first scene that I saw from her in GFF with Gina Valentina and I love Gina. But her scenes now I get into.

Doobie69
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Posted - Oct 22 2022 : 11:38AM
I don't think it's often that someone good starts out bad since they usually start with flashes of brilliance, if not outright excellence. The performers who start out bad usually work their way up to be adequate, and in some cases, good.
aclayfan All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 22 2022 : 12:24PM
For the most part, think your are on target. Think we could come up with some examples of massive improvement in g/g scenes. I thought early Ariana Marie was pretty weak in her lesbian offerings. Then, when she was on her quest to move to FL, Ariana picked up her game across the board, g/g included. Recall a couple of excellent scenes, one with Chanel Preston & one with Jill Kassidy.
blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 22 2022 : 4:12PM
Thanks for the reply. I never paid much attention to Ariana. Guess I'll go watch some of her scenes and find out for myself.
Thanks for the reply. I don't know about Kayden Kross's situation. Is she referring to first time performing in porn overall? That would certainly be nerve wracking, and may well contribute to bad performance. I can certainly see a situation where someone gets more confident over time and perform better as a result. But again this is the sort of "theoretically true" scenario that I had already accepted as possible. I'm more interested in if this is true in fact in general.

I have just reviewed a Jill scene in Twistys and liked it a lot. I didn't know Vanna was not good at the beginning. Thanks for bringing those cases up. But would you consider them to be the exceptions to the "people don't get better" rule? Or perhaps the general rule needs a little refinement: the first couple of scenes can be written off as nerves, but if someone is not better after that, they are just not going to get better? Like, say, *COUGH*alexia*COUGH*anders?

Ricov
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Posted - Oct 22 2022 : 4:16PM
What did you not like about that scene with Vanna Bardot with Gina Valentina? I felt that was a really good scene with Vanna actually trying her best trying to please Gina, while Gina was kind of low energy.
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Posted - Oct 22 2022 : 4:21PM
I mostly don't find myself that into Vanna scenes even in present-day. Not always highly convincing. I did love her scene with Brooklyn Gray for GFF, as her reactions seemed pretty realistically orgasmic.

Edited by - Lezzyist on 10/22/2022 4:35:05 PM

blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 22 2022 : 6:58PM
OK let me just first apologize to Vanna Bardot (not that she is ever likely to read this): I too hastily stated that she was "not good at the beginning. I should have done my own research. So based on IAFD, her very first lesbian scene was with Scarlett Sage in WSW 157, released on 7/27/2018. The scene with Gina is from WSW 158, released on 8/27/2018.

The scenario is that Vanna is trying to get rid of her ex-girlfriend Scarlett whom she has just dumped. But Scarlett is trying to get back into Vanna's pants. I think her acting is very solid: initially impatient and surly, then inevitably succumbing to Scarlett's charms with the requisite amount of adorable exasperation.

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There are some very cheesy but awesome lines. Here Vanna is in her bras because she has spilled some orange juice on her top so now she's trying to change. Granted this is mostly Scarlett, but Vanna plays off it very well.

Scarlette: So sticky...
Scarlett: ...and sweet
Scarlett: and to think you couldn't get any sweeter! [notice the epic eyeroll from Vanna]
Vanna's immortal line: [you can hear the smile in her voice] You can lick me all you want I'm not gonna have sex with you! [Shakespeare eat your heart out!]

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The kissing is nothing too heavy duty spectacular but quite natural -- no hints of hesitation or stiffness. I'll skip Scarlett pleasuring Vanna (although one can argue getting pleasure is also important) and just focus on Vanna pleasuring Scarlett. I like how she teases Scarlett by first licking her through her panties. Then nicely straight to the clit.

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Her oral sex form is very good. Not exactly earth-shattering, but no clear problems of any kind either. I also like how after she's done she softly kisses around Scarlett's vagina. Then there's another segment where she just rubs herself against Scarlett's thigh, which I really like, and I think this speaks to her comfort with Scarlett. Finally there's a bit of face sitting which is not the best ever but you can tell Vanna still eats Scarlett to the best of her ability.

To me this is a very solid B or B+ (or even A- if I'm in a generous mood) for Vanna. So, for a first scene, no complaint at all. She may have gotten better later, but this is a very good start. So I don't consider Vanna to be an exception to the rule (if it is a rule) that good ones start good, not-good ones don't get better.

Edited by - blackdragontea on 10/22/2022 7:01:34 PM

blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 23 2022 : 12:06AM
I think the whole scene is somewhat on the more languid/slower side, and for some reason they didn't kiss much, but yeah I agree with you Vanna is very good. For just her second g/g scene, she is at least as good if not a superior lover than Gina, who has done probably 30 or 40 times as many g/g scenes by this point.

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From the way she teases Gina by sucking on her breast and rubbing her clit, to the way she eats Gina's pussy, it looks very good to me. In the lower left corner picture you can't really see it, but she's actually pumping two fingers into Gina while sucking on her clit. Again, this is just her second scene!

 
blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 23 2022 : 1:52AM
So I want to take a quick look at the earliest scenes of Jill Kassidy to test my theory. I want to see how good (or bad) her earliest scenes look. The very earliest g/g scene she did on record was with Team Skeet on Nov 11 2016. Her partner was Arya Fae. I have no access to that website so I can't say if she is good or bad. I do have access to her next two scenes by chronological orders.

First is a scene with Edyn Blair on All Girl Massage/Adult Time, released on June 12 2017.

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The kissing is excellent. When Edyn is going down on her, I'd say Jill's reaction is nice and not exaggerated. When she starts oral sex on Edyn, she starts with her tongue on Edyn's clit.

Jill Kassidy Edyn Blair 2.jpg

Then goes all the way in and looks fabulous. On the upper right picture, she is in fact thrusting two fingers into Edyn as well (this is one of my favorite position). When she's below Edyn, you can see her oral sex is still very nice. Finally, the big kiss at the end does not disappoint.

If I treat this as her first g/g scene, I'd give her a grade of B+ or A-. All in all very good. On a side note, I remember listening to an interview with Bree Mills who said something to the effect that they used these massage sites as a sort of testing ground for new girls to see if they are good enough for regular Girlsway. If that's the case, Jill definitely graduated with honors.

Second up is a scene from Hot and Mean/Brazzers with Anna De Ville released on June 21 2017. Yup, it's that Brazzers. And yup, it's that Anna. Sometimes I get the feeling that we need a sort Cuban Missile Crisis style naval blockade to quarantine those off for the good of the greater g/g community.

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I was prepared to run away screaming. To my shock I have to say this is a completely toy free and a very nice scene. The story is classic Hot and Mean: Anna discovers Jill is secretly lusting after her, so she bullies Jill by forcing Jill to... have sex with her (impeccable porn logic).

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Jill looks great with three fingers from Anna up her vagina. I can find no fault with her oral. The kissing is sparse in this scene (given the "mean" story line) but when it happens it's really nice. Jill's oral is again great in the 69.

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Did I say Jill look great with three fingers in her vagina? She looks even better with four. In between the hard and sexy fingering, she also does some analingus that involves some very solid licks and tongue thrusts. All this tells me even at this very early state of her g/g career, she's quite comfortable with another woman so that she has no problem performing some "harder" elements. Finally, another hot kiss ends the scene.

The main problem with this scene is that they go through too many positions too quickly so not enough is spent on each position to my taste (although even here my criticism must be somewhat tempered: the overall duration is a respectable 39 minutes). But this is not Jill or Anna's fault as they did each position really well.

Overall, I'd say Jill is very good from the very beginning. Again, I'm not denying that she may have become arguably even better later on, but you could have seen this from the very start.

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Looks like there is some likelihood of a Freya/Indica Flower scene coming!

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Edited by - lezzyist on 10/23/2022 2:37:49 AM

LezFan
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Posted - Oct 23 2022 : 8:17AM
Yeah it was Kayden Kross first scene ever. Like the story was insane.

Im not going to say Vanna wasn't good it's just she didn't jump out to me. I'm like that with alot of new girls I see. It's rare I see a new girl that jumps out at me. Usually I'll have to watch a performer over time and get warmed up to them. And if I never do then they just aren't for me which is ok.

LezFan
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Posted - Oct 23 2022 : 8:25AM
Well for starters I was looking forward to seeing Jenna Sativa and Shyla Jennings scene and it was short so I was disappointed. The longest scene was Vanna and Gina which I don't mind seeing Gina but again the disappointment of really both Jenna/Shyla and Aaliyah Love/Bree Daniels scenes being shorter than I'd like them to be. Then Vanna it was the first time seeing her so I just didn't get a good feel for her and she didn't jump out at me. And I love Gina but she is more chill in her scenes so when I watch her scenes I'm used to seeing girls I know like Whitney or Abi so I'm more into those scenes. But my friend actually liked the scene a lot and I still don't really see what she saw in the scene.
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Posted - Oct 23 2022 : 3:25PM
Having considered the cases of Vanna Bardot and Jill Kassidy, here's the curious case of Kendra Sunderland, a beautiful blonde who has appeared in only a few g/g scenes. I was checking out Twistys and they just released a scene between her and Charlotte Sins. To be frank Kendra looks like she's not even in the same league as Charlotte. But has it always been so? Here are her g/g scenes in chronological order starting with her second scene (I don't have access to her very first scene with Ana Foxx).

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This is from Vixen, with Riley Reid, directed by Greg Lansky and released on May 4, 2017. It's as good as you'd expect. Kendra's kissing is outstanding, her oral form is great, her fingering is excellent. So we are off to an extremely promising start.

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Top 2: this is a Twistys scene with Luna Star, releaesd on Apr 15, 2020. Her kissing will always remain excellent, although it's not always well utilized by the director. From this point, she will also get really long artificial nails, so no more fingering in any of her scenes. So what about oral? Still very nice here.

Bottom 2: this is another Twistys scene with Azul Hermosa, released on Feb 20 2021. Oral still solid.

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Top 2: This is a Brazzers scene with Brenna Sparks on Jul 2, 2021. Oral still good with the licking and sucking of Brenna's clit.

Bottom 2: This is a Twistys scene with Kylie Le Beau on Sept 25, 2021. Now she's mostly just licking the outside of Kylie's labia.

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Top 2: Brazzers scene with Gizelle Blanco, Jul 7, 2022. Very perfunctory up-and-down licks of Gizelle's pussy on the outside.

Bottom 2: the most recent scene from Twistys with Charlotte Sins, Oct 22, 2022. As I mentioned above, she still can rub Charlotte's clit, but with those nails she can't do much else. And now the oral is just sticking her tongue out to give Charlotte a few quick swipes.

If all I've seen her is the latest few scenes, I would have completely dismissed her as unworthy of any serious attention. Yet it wasn't so at the beginning. What happened?

No doubt some of it is due to personal chemistry. Perhaps she just really clicked with Riley for some reason. Or, is some sort of devolution really possible? That she really got worse for some reason?

Maybe the biggest reason is direction. Lansky is near (if not at) the mountaintop. Twistys can be very uneven. Brazzers in general is very bad. If true, this is a striking case of just how big a difference direction in porn can make. It's pretty amazing to me how much good direction can bring out a girl (and vice versa). Also, if true, then it's extremely unfortunate she never worked with GFF, or Girlsway, or Sweetheart Video. We could have had something really good. A huge missed opportunity.

Ricov
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Posted - Oct 23 2022 : 5:53PM
Nice quick review of it. It's actually one of my favorites. I'm incredibly attracted to Gina so watching Vanna dive in for so long is amazing to watch. If Gina does come it seems Vanna finally gets her there near the end with Vanna intensly focusing on sucking her clit. That's what impressed me initially with Vanna Bardot and yes especially with it being so early in her career.

It felt like Vanna had a serious crush on Gina here. Like you said, more kissing would have been great but Gina never seemed too into that.

Ricov
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Posted - Oct 23 2022 : 6:04PM
I actually have this scene with Jill and Anna da Ville but have never gotten the chance to watch. I will do so and report back. Jill Kassidy is such a natural beauty. I love her scene with Lana Rhodes who is also gorgeous. Jill Kassidy actually seems genuinely into women and it shows in that scene.
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Posted - Oct 23 2022 : 6:56PM
I think scene partner, director, and company are key factors when testing out this theory.
blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 23 2022 : 10:10PM
^Certainly. Strictly speaking we need to hold all these other factors constant to do comparison, but of course in real life all else are never equal, so this is just gossip/speculations here, not scientific analysis.
 
blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 23 2022 : 10:15PM
I'm not sure when this turned into the Vanna Bardot fan thread lol. I was going through Twistys looking for videos in their "Girl Crush" series and came across a video between Vanna and Brooklyn Gray (which is not part of that series), and I thought of your post about this pair in a GFF video. So I thought, hey, why not do a compare-and-contrast between the two productions? So first up is the GFF video from Secret Lesbian Diaries #09, released on 11/1/2019. It's directed by B. Skow and has been very well received with a 98% rating on GFF website.

Vanna Bardot, Brooklyn Gray 1.jpg

There's a slow and sensual build up with nice kisses for 10 relaxed minutes. For me, two highlights include the cute little mutual smiles, and Brooklyn sexily licking Vanna through her panties. As has been mentioned, Vanna really seems to have had an orgasm (and more later).

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They go through quite a few positions and both women seem to have thoroughly enjoyed each others' fingers and tongues. With the exception of a brief and uninspired tribbing session, this scene is pretty much everything I can hope for when it comes to lesbian sex. The sex between them is sweet and hot. It slows down to sensual tenderness, then revs up to hard charging passion, then slows down again, then speeds up again... It really is excellent.

The Twistys scene between the two is released about two years later on 12/11/2021. It's called Entrechat, which I had to look up. It's a ballet term, meaning "a vertical jump during which the dancer repeatedly crosses the feet and beats them together." One curious perhaps side note: this is directed by a "Stella Smut;" according to IAFD, she has directed relatively few scenes, most of which are part of the Transfixed series.

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Given the title, I guess... ballerinas? Instead it's even better. They are dressed as some sort of mouth-wateringly sexy cross between lingerie models and ballerinas. This is Twistys showing its glamour-solo roots here. The contrast between this bright, airy, overtly sexually provocative atmosphere and the relatively pastel, homely GFF scene is absolutely stark.

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The mutual oral and fingering are as good as GFF, while looking even more luscious. Congratulation to Twisty and Stella Smut. This is really a sort of Victoria's Secret lingerie model having lesbian sex fantasy coming true here. Almost without a doubt Vanna has an orgasm. Unfortunately the second half of the sex is mostly wasted on a bunch of uninspired positions, so overall the sex is not as good as the GFF scene. Here's a classic case of less could have been more: just have them return to the oral and fingering would have been soooo much better (like in the GFF scene).

Here are two scenes between the same two actresses who have excellent chemistry. Both scenes are good in their own way. To put it crudely, it's a sort of beauty-sex pendulum. The first one swings more toward the sex, the second more toward the beauty. I wonder if this is the original inspiration of Slayed: why not get both?

blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 24 2022 : 1:30AM
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the Anna/Jill scene. I was really surprised how much I liked that scene.

As for Jill and Lana, is that the one from "It's a Sister Thing 2" from Elegant Angels?

Grigor3
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Posted - Oct 24 2022 : 2:05AM
nice combo between Kendra Sunderland and Charlotte Sins, looks like a recycled scene for me, must be 2 y old at least because is Charlotte before boob job.


vanna b and brooklyn gray also good combo, Vanna looks like she likes being submisive to her.

Edited by - Grigor3 on 10/24/2022 2:07:55 AM

Ricov
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Posted - Oct 24 2022 : 12:22PM
I really liked this Anna da Ville and Jill Kassidy scene. It definitely was a welcome surprise that a brazzers scene didn't include toys. Favorite moments were seeing Jill Kassidy eating out Anna while bent over so her amazing back side was fully exposed. Anna seemed to also enjoy Jill so this scene will be kept for future viewing.
Ricov
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Posted - Oct 24 2022 : 12:24PM
blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 24 2022 : 7:05PM
I'm no expert on Charlotte's breast, but they do look smaller. However, I don't think this scene is recycled since it has not been released before. As for Vanna and Brooklyn, I don't really get much dom/sub vibe from them (keep in mind my screencaps are selective, they don't necessarily represent the whole scene). They just seem to have good sexual chemistry.
blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 24 2022 : 7:10PM
OK I found that Jill/Lana scene. No question about it: it's great.

For those unfamiliar, it's produced in 2017 by Elegant Angel as part of the "It's A Sister Thing 2" movie, but in some ways it reminds me of the golden age of WLT. The two girls are very passionate, especially Lana who appears unusually assertive. Thanks for reminding me about this great scene. Jill is absolutely a great lover of women from the very start.

Jill Kassidy Lana Rhoades 1.jpg

It has all the "normal" elements and they are excellent: the girls look fantastic, the kissing and oral sex look delicious.

Jill Kassidy Lana Rhoades 2.jpg

But then it makes over-the-back analingus look great! What?

Jill Kassidy Lana Rhoades 3.jpg

Now it makes a hand-held sex toy look sexy! WHAT?

Shadow115
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Posted - Oct 25 2022 : 4:13AM
LOL, he must do that all the time. I remember some scene (Kenzie Taylor and Laney Grey, maybe) that he hyped up as being one of the best he ever did.

It was a completely forgettable bucket of crap.

Lezzyist
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Posted - Oct 25 2022 : 11:28AM
^When he does this, he means that he finds both performers really attractive and the scene was easy to shoot, not that the sex was great lol


He raved about the regular-degular Katie Kush (who I like) and Jazlyn Ray scene the same way.

Edited by - lezzyist on 10/25/2022 11:29:38 AM

Aya
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Posted - Oct 25 2022 : 12:20PM
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blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 25 2022 : 12:36PM
I have recently discovered a series of videos called "Her Forbidden Fruit" from a company that I never heard of: NSFW Films. Some of the cast frankly blew my mind when I saw them. Some examples:

#1: AJ Applegate, Jill Kassidy, Shyla Jennings
#2: Alina Lopez, Charlotte Stokely, Aiden Ashley
#3: Bella Rolland, Ana Foxxx, Elsa Jean
#4: Alex Coal, Scarlett Sage, Athena Faris
#5: Charlotte Sins, Brooklyn Gray, Lilly Bell

Upon further investigation, they are collection of scenes from cherrypimps.com, a company that I have only vaguely heard of. After a quick review, I can say the scenes are surprisingly good (for a company not known for producing g/g scenes). All of them around 20-25 minutes, have good production quality, good kissing and oral sex, and are toy-free. Nothing earth-shattering, but all very sexy and pleasant. Of course it's hard to go wrong with such casting, still I'd say they've done a good job (except the somewhat short duration) with these women.

Having stuck my head so deep mostly in the studios that specialize in g/g videos, I wonder what other good quality g/g videos that come from non-specialist studios I have missed?

blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 25 2022 : 2:22PM
Previous Grigor3 mentioned that in the Brooklyn Gray/Vanna Bardot scene, Vanna looks like the submissive one. I had said in that pairing I didn't feel like there was really such a dom/sub vibe. Well, here's another Brooklyn Gray video where she's definitely the dom/top one, with Karla Kush. It's from Addicted 2 Girls (Zero Tolerance), from the rather honestly titled video Strapped In the Ass

Brooklyn Gray Karla Kush.jpg
Brooklyn Gray Karla Kush 2.jpg
Brooklyn Gray Karla Kush 3.jpg

I like the arrangement of splitting the time about 70/30 between "conventional" sex and strap-on activity. Brooklyn once again demonstrates excellent oral sex ability, and her wielding of the strap-on is definitely the best in the movie. The one thing that I don't like is the lighting in the video (as opposed to the photoset), where the colors look somehow desaturated.

Adira Allure Vanessa Sky.jpg
Adira Allure Vanessa Sky 1.jpg

Honorary mention should also go to Adira Allure as the close 2nd best when it comes to using the strap-on with Vanessa Sky in this movie, although later in the scene she has to deal with the dildo repeatedly falling off the straps. Once again, I renew my call to American producers to give the pantyhose/feeldoe combination (a la Straplez) a try.

Lezzyist
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Posted - Oct 25 2022 : 2:30PM
^^^Pretty!

^^Georgia Jones did a couple too. I find Emily Willis content mostly annoying but the Cherrypimps scene Georgia had with her was pretty good. And the second Georgia cherrypimps scene was with Alexa Grace, a good one!

Edited by - lezzyist on 10/25/2022 2:37:01 PM

misty68w
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Posted - Oct 25 2022 : 6:52PM
On page 61, in a review of two Rika Fane LESBEA scenes blackdragontea wrote "I have no idea who even directs for Lesbea/SexyHub."

That would be LESBEA Lew, aka Lewis Thomas, aka Spunk L Davis, and a few other cringey porn names. He was Viv Thomas' right hand man, Viv's protege, Viv's heir apparent, Viv's Director of Productions (2001-2010). Lewis was the dude behind the camera on most Viv vids during the classic era.

Viv semi-retired in 2008 and Lewis assumed he was going to get to run the shop. But, turns out that Viv still liked being in charge and he wouldn't hand over the reigns fast enough for Lewis. So, Lewis bolted in 2010. Lewis got financial backing from a smarmy porntube creep and voila...LESBEA was born.

Lew still does the directing/choreography at LESBEA/SexyHub/FakeHub/MassageRooms, etc.

Lew shot some great stuff for/under VT but, unfortunately, on his own, Lew specializes in short, glossy, over-directed, over-choreographed G/G.

Funny that Sandra Shine shares Lew's woeful short-comings as a director. Both of Viv's proteges shoot brief, visually beautiful and cllt-numblingly dull G/G.

blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 25 2022 : 7:11PM
Thanks for the information, though I must respectfully disagree with respect to the quality of the content on VT and Lesbea. I like them a lot.
blackdragontea
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Posted - Oct 25 2022 : 7:16PM
Yeah I saw that scene between Georgia and Emily; unfortunately to me Emily is her typically underwhelming self. Too bad the Alexa scene is not in any of the five movies so I can't watch that scene.
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