^Lena has at least one other GG scene coming up on Adulttime this month.
As for AHL, all my opinion: It feels like a change in style. They seem to want to be Girlsway and they are casting just whatever performer is around more than they are trying to find good GG performers. The sex on the site is often porny now with lots of skit dialogue and performers saying silly porn cliches all the time. The site doesn't try to depict sexy, realistic fucks anymore. I imagine people that are into it liked the domination-focused prison series, and I can see most of those scenes as being technically done well, but even with that series being well-done, it felt like people acting. Scenes really don't feel like you are just watching people who are attracted to each other have sex they might have when no one's watching. That's why *I* mostly don't like the site now, anyway.
This is not necessarily a contribution to the "best orgasm" conversation, just arguably among the more amusing ones. From Girl Crush 3, here's Mia Malkova literally fucking Jessie Andrews off the bed.
^Mia Malkova was a really good doing G/G scenes. Is infortunate she went to Europe and then focused in her gaming career. Her only material now is in Onlyfans and Manyvids. She did really good stuff and to me is one of the best.
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^^That's one of the greatest of all time, from back when there were multiple performers who loved working with women and let it show, and Mason captured their beauty and sex appeal on camera with no nonsense. I sound old, but those were the days, qualitatively.
Mia Malkova was definitely one of the best performers. She had some great scenes with Kenna James. The two that stick out was the scene for We Live Together and the other with Sweetheart video. Safe to say they really liked each other.
Talking of Mia Malkova, I remember a very good scene with Dani Daniels I saw a while ago. I searched and found to be from New Sensations, more precisely the movie Girl Fever.
It's ok. I enjoy more the part in the stairs than when they go into the kitchen, but there is a lot of passion between them. The scene is shorter, I have to say.
But, there is another one, from Elegant Angel. It's part of the movie Mia and I think this scene is better. There is more time for both women to enjoy each other and, although there is more focus on Mia than in Dani, both are fantastic.
Dani and Mia were really good together. I also liked the second scene you mentioned better than the first. I usually like scenes on beds rather than scenes like the first where they were directed to have sex on the steps and the kitchen table. The discomfort I imagine them in distracts me from the actually sex.
Dani licking Mia's clit in the second scene was incredible. Almost like nothing could stop her in that moment from making Mia have an orgasm.
^I was going to say I've never heard of her, but that's just the chicken and egg thing isn't it?
So a little investigation later -- Italian girl? It does seem to me things are a bit different in Europe than in the US: the market in Europe for g/g scene is just not as big as the one in US (of course the overall porn market is likely also smaller, so proportionally the g/g segment may be the same size). Also, as I discussed in an earlier post about a podcast I heard with Porno Dan and Talia Mint talking about lesbian porn, it seems there are fewer European girls with same sex experience in their private lives relative to their American counterparts, so perhaps there are fewer prospective partners for someone like Marica to work with. In other words, maybe both the demand and supply are smaller.
It's manifestly obvious (at least to those who frequent this thread) that there are many bad g/g scenes coming from American producers. To be glass half full: the remarkable thing is that the market apparently has sufficient demand to support this many bad scenes!
True but with the way the economy and inflation are going I can definitely see a chunk of users start to ease off on their spending, especially considering sites are starting to raise prices. And that's even before we get into the question of whether the quality right now is something worth paying for lol
Speaking of, I think AdultTime just went up by $3 per month or something, I assume that's the same for the other Gamma sites too. Probably gonna get a price hike across the board for all sites tbh
The whole who-gets-a-chance thing is really interesting. I do wonder how the producers make such decisions. Some speculations?
Potential factors that would favor the casting of a specific talent: - good looks - existing popularity - known good g/g performer
Of course the opposite of the above would make the casting less likely. However, there is the novelty factor that seem to me can cut both ways. A (new) girl who has not appeared in g/g scenes before may give you a bad scene, but the audience wants to see new girls (and may not even care about less-than-convincing sex with another woman).
So this is the Mia scene with Semilla from Straplez. Overall an excellent scene. I'm personally highly attracted to Semilla so there's that. Also, it's unusually long at ~36 minutes (most other recent scenes are ~25 minutes), which is nearly always a good thing.
Squint really hard, you can nearly call Mia androgynous. Did I mention Semilla is so attractive that it's just unfair? Mia thinks so too. She whispers the only line spoken in the entire video, "You are so beautiful. I just want to kiss you." Unfortunately this is the only real weakness of the video -- the kissing tends to be brief and not deep.
There's just something about that look on Semilla's face... Several interesting things to note. Normally oral sex would have never been considered foreplay. Yet here it probably should be. It's not long at just three minutes, but it looks lovely. The scene does an excellent job showing off Semilla's gorgeous breasts. Finally Semilla puts on pantyhose and high heels, showing off her legs and feet. In fact, all of the above can be considered foreplay: the first 17 minutes of this video (almost half) is just Mia getting Semilla aroused by using her hands and mouth on Semilla. Excellent.
There's just something about that look on Semilla's face... The missionary is almost as good as I had hoped (there could have been more kissing).
For Straplez, normally I'm not a fan of, well, any position other than missionary. Because this is Semilla and Mia, they make doggie look great. Straplez really loves those heels -- Semilla biting her lips and curling her leg up with those heels looks awesome. Also, it's interesting that they choose not to use the cowgirl position. Personally I'm all in favor of this (the completely passive girl underneath just looks kinda ridiculous). Finally it fades to dark with happy kisses from Semilla at the end.
Agree, and I assume the cost of getting a new girl matters too. Like I can't imagine a new girl will command the same rates as like Emily Willis or something, might be a financial decision to cast "cheaper" talent sometimes. Also I guess if you fit a certain niche, like a MILF, squirter, tattoos, willing to do anal or ass eating etc.
Mourning for the life that might have been. It's one of those things to be indulged only with the greatest care lest we are overwhelmed by doubt and regret. Truly forgetfulness can be a blessing.
It also reminds me of a high fantasy novel that I once read. Near the end, the main character, who has traveled an incredible journey, reflects thus:
"Countless tracks had fanned out from his feet, leading to countless possible outcomes. But unlike a tree, he could war only in one direction. With every step he murdered alternatives, collapsed future after future, walking a line too thin to be marked on any map... Step after step, annihilating world after possible world..."
Speaking of Lumi Ray, I just saw her for the first time (synchronicity?). It's the new scene between her and Whitney Wright on AHL. The kissing is lackluster, but the oral sex is excellent. I feel conflicted about the story. On one hand, the plot looks to be nearly identical to the "How We Kiss" series which just came out -- an established couple gets a house guest (here it's Liz Jordan) who of course will turn out to be a homewrecker. On the other hand this time they seem to really take their time to set the thing up. More than 1/4 of the time of the video is spent on the story, which I really appreciate. Wonder of wonders, the first time Lumi tries to have sex to defuse a fight, Whitney turns her down and they go to bed unhappy with each other! I also enjoy the acting. Both women do a very solid job. Lumi, being the less dramatic character, has a very nicely naturalistic way of portraying that character.
One interesting logistical point of the shoot to note: the initial story portion (ending with Whitney turning Lumi down) does seem to take place at night, whereas the second part which ends with the two having sex is supposed to take place next morning -- and it does seem to take place during daytime. If this is correct, that means this is really at least a two day shoot. I would guess this is likely quite rare in porn?
It is my understanding that in b/g scenes brand new girls tend to command higher rates, all else being equal -- such is the constant demand for the new. I wonder if it's the same in g/g scenes?
^ Oh didn't know that, I thought new girls get paid less but maybe things in the industry have changed recently. The article's a little old but: https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/20/porns-dirtiest-secret-what-everyone-gets-paid.html
Although I assume stuff like a girl's first anal, first DP etc still gets them a premium.
Interesting question though, no idea how it'd work for g/g, but if they're actually paying some of these new girls more than the good g/g performers then these companies are getting ripped off LOL. Mike Quasar did say though that as much as they want to they can't cast the same 8-9 girls all the time for g/g, so casting new girls for the sake of keeping things fresh is definitely a thing. I also notice that sometimes we get a new girl doing her first few g/g scenes and then nothing after that. A shame really, but maybe they just try it and realize they don't like g/g
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On the whole, BG typically makes more money ergo the women get paid more for it ergo the agent gets more per scene from a BG ergo the agents mostly push BG. Ergo, some performers posting "I never get GG scenes." It's because of their agent, mostly, I believe.
In 2022, the women feel like they still need suitcase pimps, and companies don't talk to the performers directly (for the most part) but instead go through the agents (yuck). Sometimes companies have to use a girl the agent wants to push forward in order to unlock the girl they are really after for later. I should say technically the performers do need agents, particularly new or not super popular performers, because the agents have relationships with the companies. Companies and the agents have a symbiosis, based on controlling the performers together. I think performers who want to make it without the agent and handle their own can, but it probably takes a lot more effort to get booked lacking the connections.
Every performer is expected to do GG because it is still a big thing and agents want to be able to quickly fill roles when a company calls. But lots of times women who are in demand from us GG fans or want to work with women are just as sought after for BG and agents send them that way to get more money for the day.
New performers likely make less than performers who have established themselves and now have the confidence to demand closer to what they really want for pay. They don't all make the same, as there are no regulations. Each performer has *her* rate.
That article agrees with what I said. There's a quote in there that says, "Initially they make more money, then it depends on how popular they become." In other words, I think there's a sort of "industry standard" rate for a given type of scene. A brand new girl will likely be able to get a "premium" on top of it, but that premium is not so big that it can exceed the pay of the biggest names (e.g. maybe Angela White).
But yeah like Mike says, you have to balance the "good ones" and the "new ones." And indeed occasionally the new ones turn out to be the good ones. In fact, as one of my earlier posts discussed, some women even have their very first g/g experience on camera and eventually turn out to be pretty good (though this is quite rare).
I think you are too harsh on agents. Sure there are unscrupulous one, but fundamentally their interests are aligned with the performers: it is in the agent's financial interest to maximize the income of the performers.
Also, it can be quite useful for performers to have this intermediary. For example, (good) agents can screen out bad producers/companies, especially for new performers who don't know who's who, because agents tend to know which companies offer good working conditions and pay vs. those who don't. Also, it can be a good thing to have someone negotiate on your behalf. Suppose a performer wants higher pay, or have a dispute with a company about working condition or some aspect of the scene. If they directly argue with the company, there's the risk that they will be considered "difficult" and just not get booked again. If they do so through their agents, they avoid that difficult conversation, and the agent (having much greater leverage because they can steer multiple performers to different companies vs a single performer) will have a much better chance to get a more favorable outcome.
I think of them like health insurance companies. Sure everyone complains about them. But it's actually in their interest if you are healthy. And do you really want to negotiate prices directly with big pharma or a hospital?
^ Oh okay, shoulda clarified then when I said new girls I meant newcomers generally. Basically the bit where "Top-tier performers can earn as much as $1,500, occasionally $2,000, while newcomers with bad representation might earn as little as $300."
Yeah new girls being great at g/g right away is really rare and getting rarer imo. I can't think of any recently who've really stood out right away, the last girl who really blew me away on her debut was probably Freya and that's a while ago now. Maybe Anna Claire Clouds?
Though it's always cool to see girls eventually become good at g/g lol. I woulda never expected Alex Coal to become as good as she is now, I remember first seeing her doing b/g on clips4sale way back and now she's an amazing g/g performer. Oh and Kylie Rocket too, she didn't do much g/g when she started and the first scene I saw her in didn't really stand out (iirc she was with Silvia Saige), but damn she's gotten a LOT better. Absolutely on fire lately imo.
I'm not a dildos or strap ons guy for lesbian porn. I love scissoring, eating pussy, using first in their pussy and ass. When the girls talked about having sex or be in a relationship with another girl is hot before they get into their scene.
Agree that double-dildo scenes are mostly a bit awkward and or perfunctory - doesn't seem like something you would really use if there were no cameras around. If I were to recommend one, I would say the NubileFilms threesome scene "Playtime" with Riley Reid, Veronica Rodriguez, Violet/Goldie Glock is pretty good one. Nice visuals and the girls are having fun and giving it a good go. Also you get the Riley/Violet and the Violet/Veronica combos both using the DD with the 3rd girl watching and coordinating, which is pretty hot.
BTW, there's also a fun companion video to this scene where the girls are watching the scene back after filming and providing picture-in-picture commentary- a unique concept that I wish was used more often as a bonus/bts type vid.
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I haven't liked a Kylie Rocket scene at all in ages. Her performances are distilled pornyness.
Hey cool someone else who uses the four picture panel thing! Nice pictures That commentary thing does sound like a lot of fun. I don't have a subscription to girlsonlyporn, given their current release pace is only about 1 scene every two weeks. However, considering how much of an archive of (seemingly) good material they have, perhaps it's still worth it?
On the dildo thing, it sounds like the girls didn't take it too seriously, and just treated as a fun experiment? Perhaps that's the way to go then. I know as a viewer I will have a very hard time taking it seriously.
^ Yeah double dildos always seem a little awkward in practice lol, half the time they're slipping out or it looks kinda clumsy. That scene looks fun though, I think the novelty is cool once in a while
^^ Fair enough, I don't think Kylie is particularly porny but my tolerance for that might be different. I still like her a lot especially her more recent scenes, and she's one of the rare new girls who actually knows how to use her tongue when kissing lol.
Agreed, I tried to get into her scenes and just can't. In my opinion she just doesn't get past "performing" and doesn't seem to just forget about the cameras and enjoy her partner. It's always excessive moans and no passion.
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^That and she's a "yes yes yesssss fuuuuuuck yeahhhh omgoooddd vocal fryyyyyyyyy" performer. And one of the ones that do it the whole scene. Awful. m
^This challenge to Kylie's honor shall not go unanswered. Prepare yourself, scoundrel!
OK I admit it, her scenes are not always consistent (not always her fault), she's a bit on the noisy side (a subjective matter, which evidently bothers some much more than I), and there tends to be some unnecessary verbalization during sex. But the idea that she's not a good g/g performer is, in my opinion, unjustified. I will offer a few of her scenes that I like.
First example, her scene with Silvia Saige in Lesbian Step-Daughters (Girlfriends Films).
It's clear that she can be very comfortable, playful, and confident on screen. Starting at the seventh minute, she just touches and kisses Silvia while the two play the push-and-pull game of seduction, with Silvia being the "reluctant" stepmom, and Kylie being the determined cougar hunter. She doesn't start playing with Silvia's breasts until almost the sixteenth minute.
For almost 9 minutes, she goes from oral to rubbing and back to oral on Silvia again. Is she Freya Parker or Alex Coal? No. Do I have really have any material, substantive complaint? Absolutely not.
Second example, her great scene with the always excellent Vanna Bardot in Coming Out III (All Her Luv).
Here I want to compliment her acting skills. No this is not an Oscar nomination, but given the standard in porn, I think she does a really good job. She and Vanna play off each other in a really natural manner. She seamlessly shifts between being seductive, exasperated, and sympathetic, all culminating with this really hot exchange:
Kylie: Why don't you take charge? Vanna: Are you sure about that? You can be quite the tyrant. Kylie: I wanna... see you make me beg.
For the sake of brevity I will not detail the sex. Vanna is certainly the better lover, but Kylie holds her own really well.
Third example is her scene with Kenna James, from The Seductive Art of Massage from Sweetheart Video. Surprisingly, despite the title, this scene has no massage at all (a very good thing as far as I'm concerned since I generally don't care for massage scenes).
Here Kylie looks gorgeous in her lingerie. Arguably the highlight of the whole scene is the ridiculously sexy and hot kissing/makeout/foreplay that lasts seven long minutes. Kylie and Kenna work really well together.
Kylie likes to kiss other women's neck, which is a huge plus for this viewer. In fairness I would say her oral sex is outshined by Kenna's, but that's no shame. She is far from bad at it.
p.s.: I've previously commented on another of her good scenes with Kendall Kayden on Twistys (see that thread for screenshots).
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"oh fuuuucccck I'm in a pornoooooo yes yes yes yes omg" - Kylie Rocket, even when she is paired with someone good at GG
I try not to pay money for these kinds of performers anymore. It's low quality and annoying and why company sites are losing me. It's a struggle finding them for sure, but I am trying to put my support towards creators who can be more comfortable and genuine in sex with women on camera. Taking my money and then giving me these generic porn star performances is a huge turnoff for me.
It seems you just can't get over this one excessive/inappropriate verbalization thing. I can empathize. Sometimes there's just one thing that bothers you. It's not really rational, but for some reason it just overwhelms all the other positive things that may be happening. For me, this is the over-the-back angle analingus on Slayed -- it bothers me so much that I just can't get over it.
Anyway. Here are a few words about the new scene between Paige Owens and Maya Woulfe from Girlsway titled "A League Of Their Moans." I have recently reviewed what I consider to be excellent scenes where both of these girls performed really, really well. For Paige, this was when Freya Parker rocked her world in a Lesbian X scene; for Maya, it's a very sexy scene between her and Jill Kassidy from Twistys.
OMG you guys it's a reboot of Field of Schemes! Oh no wait it's just Maya wearing a backward facing baseball cap. Both look adorable, and Maya's panties with red hearts is ridiculously cute (Paige even teases her about this). Kissing is really nice, but the foreplay is just 4 minutes.
Maya's oral sex is very nice. But it's only 3 minutes. Paige's oral sex is also pretty nice, but it lasts even shorter. The big problem is that they rush through at least 7 position in less than 25 minutes, so the scene inevitably feels very choppy and disjointed.
Overall the very good potential between the two good performers is mostly wasted because too many positions with not enough time spent on each. My preference is to keep it simple: extend the foreplay, cut the sex position to 3 or 4 and slow it down, spend more time on each.
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^I disagree that it is irrational. If it's free porn on pornhub, sure, be porny and low-effort. If I'm paying for it, leave the women who can't get into sex with chicks out of the production and cast the women that actually try and are really willing.
^^ Good write-up, funnily enough I didn't like the Silvia Saige scene that much lol but I liked the other two especially the one with Kenna! Also I really enjoyed the scene she did with Lily Larimar a few weeks back, you might want to give it a watch if you haven't yet, god the kissing there was so good
About the Maya Woulfe/Paige Owens scene, I'm admittedly not a fan of Maya because I don't think she's a good kisser but I usually like Paige's scenes. Haven't seen this one but what you said makes sense, I don't like it either when scenes try to run through too many positions. I mean of course don't only have one or two positions in the whole scene but it's generally not good to cram 6-7 into 30 minutes.
Thanks! Speaking of the Kylie/Lily scene, I've actually posted a brief review of it in the Adult Time thread, which also contained a few words on a good scene with her and Serene Siren. In fact, I could have saved some time in formulating my arguments for Kylie if I had remembered those two pretty good scenes I already reviewed ^_^
I haven't seen too many Maya scenes, but if you watch that scene with Jill on Twistys, I'm pretty confident you will change your opinion on her kissing. The thing with kissing is that it is a cooperative activity. If she happens to get paired with someone who doesn't like to kiss her, or she doesn't like to kiss, then we don't get good kissing. It has to be a mutual thing. So it's quite possible in some scenes there's bad/few kissing, but that's likely not Maya's fault (it's not necessarily anyone's fault; it could be somebody forgot it was going to be a g/g scene and ate spaghetti with garlic for lunch).
Okay cool, will try and watch it, I seem to remember that the scenes I've seen Maya in she doesn't like using her tongue during kissing, but I'd be very happy to be wrong about this scene lol
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^^Agreed
Porn cliches in GG <<<<<<<<< women telling their scene partners what they need to get off
Too many sites and performers are so focused on lame porno antics that they get in the way of the sex
completely agree! I just discovered Stormy Daniels wrote/directed a handful of films and you better believe im buying all the dvds asap. Its always better when the student becomes the teacher thanks to this industry the faces and sounds of euphoria are my main trigger so its satisfying to think at any moment she can just belt out "CUT! shes not enjoying that do it like this, see how fast she came and how loud she moaned? start from the top" or simply what i wish would happen regardless of the director "Male actor shut up your talking too much" (Im looking at you Legal Pink)
^Woohoo Scarlet is back! Also please god let this not be a threesome. AHL, I know you can do it. I've seen you resist the temptation of throwing three hot women into a scene together before. Stay strong!
^ Nice to see Scarlett back, but I think I'm gonna take a break from AHL for a while. Hopefully this is the start of a turnaround, might resub if things get better.
The women in Sappho Films use their hands to make their clits more visible during trib, with closeups. That was interesting once, but in every Sappho Film gets tiresome. Beyond those few minutes, they made some great gonzo scenes. No dialogue, just raw passionate sex.
Are there any pair of women who have performed together more than Faye Reagan and Georgia Jones? According to IAFD, they have 32! Sure some are compilations, but still. And how did that even work? People generally don't get to request a specific partner right?
That commentary thing does sound like a lot of fun. I don't have a subscription to girlsonlyporn, given their current release pace is only about 1 scene every two weeks. However, considering how much of an archive of (seemingly) good material they have, perhaps it's still worth it?
