I can say that as an Chinese American, I have met some women with a 'thing' for Asian males. Women get yellow fever too.

Since Asian Americans seem to be quite well off on average and moving upwards as a group professionally in a society where $$$ = social status, I wonder about your logic there. Certainly among middle aged and older generations there is not the stigma that dating blacks has. I wonder about average income of the two groups, even including entertainers and athletes.
How exactly do you see the social status of Asians in the West? No matter how I am dressed, when I speak, people seem to assume I am well educated, polite, and respectable & treat me that way without hesitation. No matter where I have gone, I have never had the treatment by whites that some blacks have described (and I have witnessed).

I can say that if I ever performed in porn, my family would disown me. More so than if I murdered somebody.

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- You don't often see white girls together with asian males (it's quite rare, although it may depend on where you live). Asian females and white males, on the other hand, is a more frequent sight.

- Most people care about what others think of them. So even if a white woman might like an asian male, she might not want to sleep with him because of the way people view the masculinity (or lack thereof) of asian males (this 'lack' of masculinity is a stereotyped view, though, only reinforced by how asian males are portrayed in western media). Women are very picky about how other men and women look at them. They really don't want to socialize with people who lower their social status, even though many claim that looks doesn't really matter.

- As for stereotypes: Consider how asians are generally portrayed in the media and in entertainment. How many male asian leads do you see in western cinema? (apart from Jet Li and other martial arts actors). Asian males are usually relegated to minor supporting roles, or -- if they play a major role -- villains. When you do see asian males in commercials, they're usually there for people to laugh at. Those kind of portrayals don't put asian males in a positive light.

- Racism in the west is almost always discussed in terms of black or white people, but not other races. It's almost as if asians or latinos didn't exist in the west.

- The threshold for offensive attitude is much lower for blacks than for asians: The term 'nigger' is often considered racist, and rightly so. The term 'jap' (which is a derogatory, and to some extent, racist word), however, is frequently used, and most people don't even blink when the term is used (many people -- who wouldn't dream of referring to a black person as a 'nigger' -- don't even realize that 'jap' is a derogatory word).

But you talk about 'yellow fever' and white women who fancy asian males, but in general it doesn't seem as if yellow fever (as you describe it) has spread that much in the west. And don't get me wrong: I think it would be positive if there weren't so many stereotypes surrounding asian males.

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They've done Allie Sin, Astrid, Hailey Young, Krysta-Lynn Lovely... and they've managed to misspell all their names on the boxcovers. I wonder if it's an inside joke, like the "Engrish" writing on Made in China products?

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Anyway, this topic seems not to be of general interest here, so I'm leaving it behind me.

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They're basically a bunch of Chinese American guys addressing exactly what you are talking about. Again, their whole schtick is getting with non-Asian chicks.

The girls I mentioned are all young white U.S. performers who have worked for the big production companies in L.A. They've all done a lot of scenes with white guys and black guys.

You also might be interested to know that 90% of the scenes on the website AmateurCreampies.com feature a Chinese American guy named Rick. Since most of the shoots are POV, you don't really see his face. But he's worked with a LOT of white girls, many industry regulars and up-and-comers.

He's also one of the dicks in practically every scene on WestCoastGangbangs.com, though he's never conspicuous.

The only reason I know all this is because Allie Sin, who was one of my favourite performers, has done scenes for all of the above. But I do find this Asian male in Western porn thing interesting. The times, they are a-changin'!

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Racism is discussed mainly in terms of blacks and whites because traditionally those are the two largest groups. Those also had the longest interactions. In cities with more hispanics or asians, the discussion turns that way.

Most of my girl friends have been white because that is who is around. Most also look good and have other options. At every place I have studied or worked, a number of women have been flirty with me. So whatever 'lower social status' you see, they apparently don't.
I am certainly not the Asian Brad Pitt.

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Reason for the lack of this in America is I guess that Asian male performers just haven't had the big break like other Americans have.

Doesn't bother me to be honest, I watch porn for the females.

Plus regarding dick size, I'm Asian and I'm of average size, I'm happy to admit it but its no big deal really. If you used used your logic for a few seconds, there are millions of Orientals around the world, are you trying to tell me there is NO one out there with a dick bigger than average size? Of course there is, their just not in the porn industry.

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On the part about threshhold for racist attitudes, you must remember the decades of Civil Rights and 'militant' groups like the Black Panthers. All of that was centered on one group only. Call me anything in a neutral setting and see what happens to you.

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You never see a romantic leading asian man in a mainstream hollywood film. It just doesn't happen. Hollywood cannot accept the concept that an asian leading man can carry a film by himself without a comedian or a black rapper or martial arts skills.

The white man perception is that asian masculinity is expressed through breaking wood not having wood.

The stereotype for asians in Hollywood is that they either have to be martial artists, extreme perverts/bad guys/gang members, or old men dishing out wisdom. It will take a while for this to change. Only recently did some directors cut back on killing the first black guy in horror movies.

It's disturbing too see how fucked up hollywood sees asian culture. I remember watching an old episode of Quincy where Mako turns out to be the killer, says he shamed his family and jumps out a window. What the fuck?

American culture accepts the misconstrued notion of a geisha as prostitute, but they can't accept the concept of an asian 'john' or the notion that asian males have sexual desires that are not perverted or twisted. Unfortunately the proliferation of japscat movies doesn't help the image of the asian man.

Until that changes, I don't think we're going to see any of our yellow brothers in blue movies.

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Plus, don't let the guys in JAV influence your opinion. Those guys are truly the bottom of the barrel. There are no Roccos over there. But that doesn't mean there aren't Asian men who are packing, or good looking, for that matter. I've seen a ton of American girls go ga-ga over Takeshi Kaneshiro (co-star of House of Flying Daggers).

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But to add my point of view:

- First, people in general tend to oversimplify race and ethnicity to begin with. Discussions on race on this forum tend to disregard the fact that there are more races and ethnicities than black and white (and sometimes 'Asian'). Latinas are also present, but where are the topics about Latino guys? Haven't seen many.

- The terms are also used differently in different places. For instance, 'Asian' in the UK usually means what in America would be could East Indian or South Asian; 'Asian' as used in the US would be 'Oriental' in the UK and 'East Asian' in some other European countries. I'm from the Netherlands where a significant part of the 'Asian' population is from Indonesia, and Southeast Asians tend to be perceived differently from East Asians such as Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. East Indonesians, which in Holland usually means Moluccans (from Maluku) are perceived as much more masculine than West Indonesians (e.g. Javanese), for instance, and the latter more so than Chinese etc.; and this is reflected in their (relative) popularity among (white and Asian) women.

- Eurasian guys seem to be quite popular with the ladies, but the guys don't usually seem to 'advertise' their heritage. I personally like Eurasian girls a lot, and while I'm not physically attracted to men I would say that many Eurasian men are quite good-looking according to similar criteria. IMO,there are plenty of 'goodlooking' Asian guys as well, which, combined with their (on average) good educational and/or professional achievements would make them attractive to plenty of women in real life.

But: porn isn't so much about 'real life'. Like any kind of show business, it emphasizes 'image' and exaggerates. Since it is about sex, there is a tendency to exaggerate masculinity vs. feminity. And like it or not, there is a tendency to *perceive* individuals of certain races and/or 'types' as more masculine (or feminine as the case may be) than others.

I would say that in the eyes of many, black guys top the list in terms of masculinity (as defined in terms of size, muscularity, physical power, dick size, agressiveness, and self-confidence), while the common *perception* of Asian guys among would put them lower on that list. White guys would fall, on average, somewhere in between, with Latino or Mediterrean types probably being perceived as typically somewhat more masculine than Western or Northern European types. Of course many individuals can (and do) deviate from these stereotyped perceptions.

So, even if there is enough supply of wildly attractive, masculine, assertive, big-dicked Asian guys, they will only start being popular as porn studs when and if the way they are *perceived* by a signifant segment of porn consumers changes. The changing demographic composition of the US, as the proportion of Asians and Hispanics increases relatively to the white majority may yet play a role in that process.

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For something to be really mainstream asian guy/white girl, viewers would want to be him and girls would have to want him. For the girl guys would have to want her and girls would want to be her. I have never heard a woman say, "I'd really like to be Jodie Foster." That's like saying, "I'd really like to be Justin Guarini."

But good of you to bring that one up. I forgot about that one.

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MFD, you do realize Jodie is one of the most obvious closet cases in all of Hollywood, right?

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Also this goes to the point of suspending disbelief with regard to Anna and the King. Do we really believe that this asian guy would be attracted to someone who we all suspect of being lesbian? Did be believe that Harrison Ford and Anne Heche were attracted to each other in Six Days Seven Nights?

Now put an asian man with a hot white woman in a movie like 'Body Heat' and then maybe, we'll see.

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I was fun to watch since the little guys are really trying, but I didnt get any kick out of it in the end.

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Everytime a thread like this comes up and the poster always end up saying I can be a porn star himself. Not saying the original poster of this thread is trying to be one, but it always is.

I remember Chico Wang giving a guy a shot....where fuck is he now? all talk no action. I yet wait another one of these threads for someone to say I can be next. Maybe it's just newbs.

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I'm training myself for POVs with twist camera moves. Maybe I'll do it though my engorged Vienna Sausage doesn't do the viewer justice (nor the girl either).

Alas, inside, I am weeping.

Chico

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LONG LIVE THE KING!

(if anyone knows anything about what this guy is doing, be sure to let me know!)

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I think that Asian features, regardless of nationality, have yet to become accepted standards of handsomeness in America. This is a shame because many Asian men are exceptionally handsome, plus many move with a grace that's very attractive. American men (particularly young men) are often about bluster and posture. Regardless of race or culture, lots of young American males act like primates beating their chests. I think of the Asian men that have crossed over into mainstream American entertainment, and they're all sleek and elegant and seem to have more confidence. Of course, you can't expect a 25-year-old Asian-American male that grew up in the valley racing imported cars to have the bearing of a Hong Kong action star.

Side note: Asian males have just now started showing up as the male leads in erotic romance novels. Interracial romances are still pretty rare, as publishers try to cast a wide net for the biggest possible readership.

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Jackie Chan?
Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa?

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Of today's stars, I find these men sexy:

Chow Yun Fat. He's got charisma to spare.

Ken Watanabe. Beautiful, dignified man.

Russell Wong. Actually gets romantic lead roles, which is nice.

Keanu Reeves. Half Chinese, good height, but little grace.

Takeshi Kaneshiro. Fine-featured prettyboy. He reminds me of Orlando Bloom.

Tony Jaa. Perfect Thai features. (Mr. P speaks fluent Thai, so he loves this movie.)

Daniel Dae Kim. He's Jin on "Lost" now, but I first noticed him in several guest spots on "24," playing the tactical commander backing up Jack Bauer. I took one look at this guy and thought, that man's a star.

P.S. I should note that I grew up and still live in an area with lots of Asian immigrants and Asian-Americans. There are a lot of Asian communities in my city, plus I live in a military community. Most everyone I know has spent time in Japan or Korea. My husband spent half his career in Thailand. Many of my friends growing up were bi-racial, usually with the father being white or black American, and the mother being Korean or Japanese. All my friends were Army brats. The combination of African-American and Asian parentage is particularly attractive, both male and female.

Edited by - Pagoda on 1/14/2006 5:49:15 PM

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Ichiro Suzuki.

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Rick Yune

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0950935/

He's really good looking and has done some mainstream underwear modeling (for Calvin Klein I think?)

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I had a mental image of Daniel Dae Kim too, but for the life of me couldn't remember where I'd seen him, so I couldn't even find his name. Is he always cast as a villain?

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So, I am not sure if the physical aspect is a derived product of the culture or not. But I really doubt it if 1) Asian porn companies look and pay for Asian men w/ big dicks 2) Big dicks or not, Asian men would not see porn as a honorable profession. 3) There is almost no well-known porn companies besides Japanese in Asia, so how are you going to find talent in Asia?

In some ways, I have to agree w/ that philosophy. Porn is a profession and it is a business. In the end, "money" is the final objective. W/ money, you can have the smallest dick and you can have tons of beautiful women. Whites may be the top richest among the rich in US. However, in average, Asians already have the highest average income in US. So, instead of pumping iron or body building, they are hardworking studying or investing. To them, this topic is meaningless because in the long scheme of things, it really doesn't matter.

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Rick Yune has played an asian gangster in 'Fast and the Furious' and a psycho in that 'Die Another Day.'

I do like the asian actors listed, but with the exception of Keanu, none of them are super-high profile.

There is a deep cultural shame when it comes to asians and sex. That's the main reason behind the mosiacs in japanese adult videos.

But I would much rather see a clean cut asian guy with a normal penis than an out of shape parollee who looks like a quilt of unmatched tattoos bought on payday.

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Lastly, using the word Asian loosely, Japan is the only country in Asia that has what we can call a porn industry. In many other countries in Asia, porn is completely illegal. It is too ambitious to make Japan represent all of Asia.

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Any limit placed on regulating filmed sex acts will result in an unintentional reaction. For example in America, you can't show fisting but you CAN put in as many fingers as you want. How did 5 fingers of the same hand somehow become illegal when you can put in 8 fingers of both hand or hands from different people as long as no thumbs? What town had a community meeting of it's village elders and said, "You know, we really need to nip this fisting problem in the bud.""Yeah, there's just too much fisting going on in my neighborhood." It's silly, but these are the rules.

Although you might think it is too ambitious to allow Japan to represent all of Asia, they DO represent a large portion of it as there aren't other countries producing comparable levels of porn.

So as a result, Americans think that in Japan, it's okay to vomit and crap on your woman while inserting live eels into her because "it's just their way." Who are we to judge?

The average white person cannot often distinguish who is Chinese, Korean or Japanese, so why should they assume that what goes on in Japscat videos DOESN'T occur in other Asian countries? The Germans eat their own shit and piss on each other, but Americans are more willing and able to distinguish different European countries and cultures than they are people of different asian cultures.

There are all kinds of fucked up assumptions that are made by Americans, and what I'm saying is that since japscat is a word in our vernacular, it contributes to the fact that we will likely not see a romantic asian lead actor in our lifetimes. No matter how hard you try, you simply cannot make shit eating romantic.

Hollywood writers EXPECT asians to be pervs, if they don't know martial arts. Like it or not, JAV and japscat support that stereotype.

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Side note: during my bar hopping days I also compared the bravado of young American males to gorillas.

Anyways, its funny how many of those kids can be backed down (when they get out of hand and in your face) with quiet confidnce.

Another funny note: DeSade said he would quit this thread essentially because he wasn't getting agreement.

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Until that Asian "Rocco Siffridi" appears, there won't be much reason to change. And when I say that, I mean that someone who brings Rocco level intensity and does what he does because he loves doing it. I'm not a fan of spitting or swirlies, but I did enjoy Rocco's early work. I'd much rather see enthusiasm than length and girth.

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Big dicks or not, Asian men would not see porn as a honorable profession.

That is not unique to Asians. That is the perception among mostly all races and cultures.

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I guess what I am trying to say by ex. is:

1. How many times in your life have you heard guys from high school to adulthood talking about or dreaming about being a male porn stars? I have heard plenty in US.

2. How many times do we talk about small penis / large penis? Jokes about smaller dicks? Songs bragging about having a bigger dicks? Many.

These topics are simply see to be too "lower class" or "immature" to be even discussed in Asia, even in high school. Get the point? So would you care for such attributes if you are going to invest in porn in Asia? Especially you have to look and pay for such attributes?
Japanese porn are more about degrading sex than physical sex.

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You're going to be seeing plenty of Asian men having sex with whomever they want. If not on video, in real life.

I say obsess all you want on penis sizes and enjoy your jobs at Walmart. :}

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Of course, you're right.

MFD may have the right idea. It could simply be a coincidence that the Japanese guys willing to do porn aren't packing XXX-Large trouser snakes. And as long as it sells, there's no point in going looking for the Japanese Mandingo.

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BTW, I'm not gay or anything (riiiiight) but how can you have a discussion of current Asian movie hunks without mentioning HK's #1 romantic leading man Tony Leung (HERO, INFERNAL AFFAIRS, TOKYO RAIDERS, all of Wong Kar Wai's stuff) & Japanese cultural phenom Tadanobu Asano (ICHI THE KILLER, SHARSKIN MAN & PEACHHIP GIRL, VITAL, etc etc etc)? Google 'em & drool, gals! (& you too, GaySatyr!)

& of course I'd add pop idol/award-winning dramatic actor Leslie Cheung to the discussion but he's, ah, not making any more movies.

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