I don't care if a pornstar's hubby or boyfriend places limits on what the pornstar will do in a scene. What does bother me is when a pornstar will ONLY perform scenes with her hubby or boyfriend. First off, they are usually terrible performers, and secondly, it gets boring to see a pornstar with the same person in scene afer scene. That's why I was so glad to see that Stracy (Bijou) finally dumped her limp-dicked albino boyfriend and starting fucking a wide variety of men.
^ While I understand it may bother you if you're into a specific performer, you no doubt realise that some couples ARE monogamous. Just because you let people see you fucking your partner doesn't mean that you're just gonna fuck multiple people. You do have to keep in mind that even pornstars can love a partner to the point of not wanting to have sex with another. Not to mention that as said before, there's a life outside of the fucking on camera and a future to think of. Again, performers offer you a product that they made or participated in. If you buy and enjoy it, good for you. If you think the product isnt good enough, you can suggest improvement or buy another product. But don't expect them to throw away their own will to please others.You just don't get it do you? Let people decide on their own what their goal is and how to reach it. Im pretty sure enough people tell them what will get them paid more, they don't need you to tell them. What is the point of getting relatively more money if you sacrifice your own morals for it? Everyone has limits and should do what they like and feel comfortable with. Especially female performers need to not let people (even their own boyfriends) talk them into stuff they really dont want and will regret. It takes a mentally strong person to do what he/she feels comfortable with and those are generally the performers that will last in this business.
"Survive the droughts, I wish you well"........ Jay Z, American Dreamin 56 Posts 2/09
Posted - Feb 21 2009 : 9:15PM
Im detecting this sort of laissez faire attitute toward certain matters in this industry. In two different forums Im basically being told that porn actresses, because they are porn actresses, should be allowed to perform with, if they choose, only members of her own race, or perhaps even no one except their own boyfriends. Interesting... On a different note, I take it we are all Democrats here. I am too, but I do know something about Republicans. They have a Laissez Fair attitude towards the economy. "The market will work things out" - they say, just let people do what they want. The market rules. You cant make people behave responsibly. And if we have to experience a depression every 70 years or so - thats ok. You can believe that if our industrys major stars keep deciding that they dont have to actually do anything more than amatuers are willing to do that things will just work out in the porn industry, if you want. You would also however, have to also accept that, just like republicans accept that depressions and poverty are undesirable but inevitable consequenses of the free market, "things working themselves out" in our industry, might just mean the obsolesence of it. Edited by - simmond on 2/22/2009 2:32:11 PM
It is clear by this phrase that you know very, very little about the members of ADT. Maybe sit back for a few days and just read, and get to know the people with whom you're conversing a bit better. That way you'll know better how to convince them of your point of view, if you so desire. Because a phrase (and subsequent argument) so completely off the mark like that one isn't going to cut it.
How is this any difference from any other 'artist'? You honestly want to tell me that if a couple decides to film their sexual adventures in a (semi-) professional way, that they are forced to let other people fuck them? If your answer to that is 'yes', then ignore the rest of my posts cause you're out of your mind. Performers are not tax funded government workers that we can 'force' to do what we want because we technically don't pay them. We purchase a product, nothing more (but often less through people illegally downloading it). If you are discriminative of who you sell your product to, you have a point. But choosing who you create a product with is almost always up to the individual artist, no matter the sector. What you're saying is essentially the same as "Metallica is not making an album with Britney Spears, what a bunch of unprofessional fucktards!". Somehow to me it would seem like it's more important for them to keep their integrity that they set for themselves even if they'd possibly make more money by selling their morals.
As far as this thread goes, I don't think having porn stars who will only fuck their boyfriends or husbands is a bad thing. More power to them. That might mean we get to see ladies we might not otherwise ever see in porn. How can that be a bad thing?
"Survive the droughts, I wish you well"........ Jay Z, American Dreamin 56 Posts 2/09
Posted - Feb 22 2009 : 12:21PM
You telling me that you think more than 10% of of this forum voted for George Bush?
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Posted - Feb 22 2009 : 12:38PM
I would be surprised if less than 10% of the people involved in making porn voted for Bush. It is not a non-profit industry. If you think conservatives don't like sex then explain why Reagan and GHW Bush had so many damn kids.
"Survive the droughts, I wish you well"........ Jay Z, American Dreamin 56 Posts 2/09
Posted - Feb 22 2009 : 1:20PM
Your argument is a lucid one except that you should accept that the logical ramification of your argument is the eventual obsolesence of the industry. One glaring difference between professonal produced content and amatuer content is the extent to which the content was produced at the pleasure of the consumer. You misrepresent my argument. I dont care if Metallica doesnt work with Britney Spears. I dont even care if Metallica decides to hire a member of the lead singers family to produce thier next album. Or if they will only work with white produces. As a consumer, If I dont like it I just wont buy it. Now mabey Metallica is at the point of their careers wherein they have no longer have commercial aspirations. Thats fine for them. Let them maintain their "integrity". However, if i'm a record company executive and I care about the music industry and want it to survive, i'm going to either try to persuade my biggest rock group to start using the best available producers or Im going to find an act that will and make them the face of the industry. You keep talking about integrity and the rights the performer and Im talking about whats best for the industry. Its funny that you make the Metallica analogy because I think the porn industry and the music industry have similar problems. Both sets of consumers have become disenchanted. Music consumers feel that they have been forced to buy albums when all the wanted was 2 songs, and porn consumers feel they have been forced to spend $40 on a product that because it was just sex on camera was only worth about a dollar. Now both sets of consumers have options, and they are exercising those options to the detriment of both industrys. What I say is, lets start producing content that is primarily purposed at pleasing the consumer. Its going to have to be content that is more than just fucking on camera, and is performed by actors and actresses that are the best for those roles, and not just the ones that are attracted to each other.
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Posted - Feb 22 2009 : 2:22PM
Ok mabey I am embarrasing myself. And I'll look into that World News & Nonsense subscription too. But mom always told me the only dumb question is the one that isnt asked. What percentage of this forum would you say voted for George Bush.
^Just guessing: 40-60%. I know that's a wide range, but that's the best I got. Oh and there's no "subscription" for WN&N. I'm not talking about a separate website. I'm talking about the WN&N forum here at ADT.
They just don't admit they like sex. You have to catch 'em red-handed sucking dick in the men's room before they'll own up to it. If there isn't a pregnancy or a tape, they'll deny it.
From a business standpoint these people are only hurting themselves. The more restrictions actors place on what they will/won't do and who they will/won't do it with only serves to limit their job options, which in turn restricts their possible income. Not very smart IMO.
^ I think xxaru just argued the one side of this debate quite succinctly here. Thanks for that post xxaru. I think the other side of the argument would be something like this: Suppose a performer is not comfortable having sex with anyone other than her BF/husband, but she's getting enough jobs/making enough money to make a decent living anyway. What reason would she have to change her behaviour? Some would say, well, she could make even more money if she did other guys. And that's true. But if you're making enough money for whatever it is that you need, then why do something you're not comfortable with just to make more? Personally, I get bored when I see a porn girl that I like doing the same guy all the time. But I understand her reason for it. And if she can get enough jobs without doing other guys, then more power to her.
Never stopped me from watching her: Just a reminder to the dimwitted: Monogamy The state of having only one husband, wife, or sexual partner at any one time. The word monogamy comes from the Greek word monos "μονός", which means one or alone, and the Greek word gamos "γάμος", which means marriage or union. In many cases, the word "monogamy" is used to specifically refer to marital monogamy. Porn doesn't always override morals and beliefs. Edited by - deputyduffy on 2/22/2009 7:32:30 PM
It makes perfect sense to set limits if there are things you don't want to do and I wish all porn girls would do that. I don't want to see them doing shit they hate and I think it's deplorable that they should ever feel bullied into doing all or nothing.
Hey, I agree. I’m not trying to say these people should be forced to do things they don’t want. I’m just telling it like it is. And when someone says they won’t do X, Y, and Z… then they don’t get booked for the job that requires X, Y, and Z. That’s the bottom line. Now if the performers are happy accepting that, then (as killbillvol69 says) more power to them. I know if you were a model who refused to do any kind of nudes, then you’d be loosing out on a lot of work. Now I don’t know how many porn producers will book someone who will only work with their bf/gf/husband, etc. But I know that if I’m running the production, and someone tells me they won’t do the scene with this person or that person… then I’ll simply get someone who will. And that’s a job that performer just lost.
You make a good point boss and it is 100% true. The reverse of that is if you are a performer and want to hold on to your long term relationship beyond the porn life then you have to weigh that as well. That extra paycheck will be gone in an instant. Just something to consider. www.makemoneyfucking.com
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Posted - Mar 17 2009 : 11:07PM
Because I have a boyfriend I wanted to put my 2 cents in. My bf and I started out with the 'no making out' rule but that soon ended because it's more real if I make out with my "pretend" bf on set. Plus making out makes me super turned on so it works out for me. However, I don't do creampies, swallow or do anal because that's something that my bf and I do in our personal life. I think those are more intimate acts so I'd rather not do it for porn. I also do not do interracial because my bf isn't for it BUT I have never been with a black guy before and I'm simply usually not attracted to them. I feel that the market for interraical is pretty degrading as well and I won't do anything degrading. And before anyone says anything, no I am not racist. Even though my bf has an opinion about what I do and I value his opinion, I will do what I want to do. It just so happens that him and I have the same view on what I like and don't like doing for porn.
I don't see anything wrong with actresses choosing the level to which they want to go and the list of things that they will and won't do. If this is b/c of personal preference or a relationship or whatever, it's their business.
Well Sierra, I'm glad you and your boyfriend came to that realisation sooner than later. Its OK to reserve some acts for your boyfriend as long as it doesn't diminish your work opportunities and chase fans away. For us porn consumers, the bottom line is that you're fuckin different guys without condoms and not dodging cumshots. I believe 90% of female pornstars do that and have no problems whatsoever. Edited by - Thunderbird on 3/20/2009 1:43:59 AM
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Posted - Mar 21 2009 : 10:18PM
Degrading to whom? To black people or to you? I assume you mean yourself which makes your statement quite offensive. Do you even know what being a racist is? What you're essentially saying is that having sex with a black person is degrading, whereas sex with anyone else, is not. You are booked for a simple BJ scene. Nothing rough, just a slow, sensual BJ with Tit fucking. A performance with a white actor is fine. A hispanic guy? Cool. A black guy? Degrading. Whatever. This is the same white supremacist bullshit that says when you are with a black person, you become damaged goods.
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Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 10:41AM
Do you believe this shit? Let me get this straight. A girl that puts *too many* restrictions on her performance is being "unprofessional". I see. Ok who decides what equals too many restrictions? You simmond? You Thunderbird? Thunderbird why did you start this thread? What did you want from us? Did you want us to get out our violins and cry for you because you feel you are being teased by certain performers? Thunderbird>>Well Sierra, I'm glad you and your boyfriend came to that realisation sooner than later. Its OK to reserve some acts for your boyfriend as long as it doesn't diminish your work opportunities and chase fans away. For us porn consumers, the bottom line is<<< OHHHHH. Now Thunderbird is gonna talk for ALL porn consumers! Hey. Take your righteous indignation and shove it up your ass and DONT EVER talk for me. Is that clear?
The way that I read it, she was saying that a lot of the interracial material is presented in a way that characterizes the act itself in a generally degrading way. Personally, I love interracial movies because of the contrast of skin tones, etc. ... but it's sometimes difficult to get over the underlying racist tones that are in some of the movies... even the titles can have offensive terms in them. Also, she mentioned general attraction. If you aren't physically attracted to a certain type of person, it doesn't necessarily mean that you feel that you are 'better' than that person. I would say that characterizing her statements as white supremacy is a bit unfair...at least not the way they were expressed.
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Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 6:33PM
The way that I read it, she was saying that a lot of the interracial material is presented in a way that characterizes the act itself in a generally degrading way. Personally, I love interracial movies because of the contrast of skin tones, etc. ... but it's sometimes difficult to get over the underlying racist tones that are in some of the movies... even the titles can have offensive terms in them. Also, she mentioned general attraction. If you aren't physically attracted to a certain type of person, it doesn't necessarily mean that you feel that you are 'better' than that person. I would say that characterizing her statements as white supremacy is a bit unfair...at least not the way they were expressed.
[/quote] Thank you for taking what I said, the right way. That's exactly what I was saying.
I had no problem with the statement either. In fact, a lot of IR porn is just stupid. If I want to see IR, I want to see people of different races. That's it. No stupid gimmicks or costumes or bling or name calling.
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Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 8:44PM
I'll agree with Sierra that it's degrading for the girls to have IR sex. Edited by - rosco fuji on 3/22/2009 8:45:25 PM
I'm the girl your mom warned you about <3 344 Posts 2/09
Posted - Mar 23 2009 : 12:36AM
I'm not saying it's alllllll degrading because white guys can be the same way. Any kind of porn can be degrading...It's just usually more degrading in IR
fu_q, Thank you for saying what needed to be said. Everybody listen up... We are very fortunate when pornstars join our community and speak openly with us. In particular, Sierra Skye has made a great first impression here, and many in our community enjoy her participation. While I am not saying that we can't disagree and argue with pornstars (after all they're part of the community), I must insist we treat them respectfully! This especially means not jumping down their throats over hot-button issues -- like IR -- and using them as targets just to advance your own views. Don't test me on this! OK, everybody back in the pool
I don't think it's any secret that interracial titles play on racialized stereotypes, and that many of them highlight the "whiteness" of the women involved, and then set about treating them in a demeaning manner (not all IR, just some). To me, this is what's known as "homosocial" - it's a way of challenging racist histories through the use of the white woman's body. It's a tactic that white men used (and still use) in order to oppress black men, and now interracial porn plays with the same tropes (albeit in reverse), which date back decades. I don't think Sierra is "racist" necessarily for her opinions (and, more to the point, I don't think it's helpful to pick on one individual who is merely representative of an entire culture grounded in racial tensions). But - I don't want this to get back to focusing on Sierra... My point is that porn stars' reluctance to do IR, and more specifically the content of the more violent, overtly racialized pics, should be cause to address U.S. culture at large, and the pornography it produces, rather than attacking individuals who operate within that system.
Wher can I find Vanessa del Rio's 1978 classic, THE FINAL TEST? My first porn movie..unforgettable.pls help?? Thanx
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Posted - Mar 23 2009 : 9:03PM
tritone wrote: Degrading to whom? To black people or to you? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- fu_q>>>>The way that I read it, she was saying that a lot of the interracial material is presented in a way that characterizes the act itself in a generally degrading way.<<< Of course thats what she was saying. I would just ignore tritone. I think he is trying to be a drama king. Some people just love attention.
as i said in the other post "i hope you never do interracial , plesae keep your word i'm begging you , we have enough sara jay's doing interracial , so i want to congratulate and thank you sierra skye for not doing interracial , i wish all women who had a "body" like yours did the same thing , if all girls like you did the same thing interracial would be much better than it is today , please sara jay , follow suit , take this brilliant woman as an example and stop doing interracial , thank you sierra skye for staying out of my favorite genre , you go girl , you're the best :)" please let's praise this brave woman , she's the best , i wish sara jay and other girls like them did the same thing , interracial would be perfect if all "thick" women followed suit , so leave her alone damn it.
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Posted - Mar 24 2009 : 3:22PM
Obnoxious post deleted. Bill, I'm sorry if I'm stepping on your toes, but, after reading Sierra's reaction to this post, and visiting the links to see what was being said (just a thinly-veiled slam at Sierra Skye), I just couldn't leave this up. -- BigBobxxx Edited by - BigBobxxx on 3/26/2009 12:16:35 PM
Shocker: Another thread turns into a she wouldn't do IR battle Royal so she's a ....this and that. I still find it hard to believe that anyone can get judgmental as to what a female does or doesn't do with her body. There is way toooooo much porn out there already. I mean, if you're into porn chicks that fuck short, drunken, polish, welders, with one leg, and three balls, well, it's out there....there is no need for "every" chick to do this, is there?
Just went thru most of the listed posts...I just checked out some pics of sierra skye and can understand why a lot of people would want to see her do interracial..however the truth is them interracial movies often get carried away and do turn into humiliating and degrading depictions..even if the lady goes along with it you can actually see the empty sadism in the guys efforts...interracials should probably be done with 2 girls and 2 guys of different races so theres a wholesome theme applied..some titles are just disgusting too..Sierra skye has a beautiful African Queen type female bod by the way..some crazy readings in this post..Its all Good!
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Posted - Mar 26 2009 : 12:07PM
Wow that was EXTREMELY rude. JUST because I don't do IR doesn't make me a bad person. I'm not racist and I don't judge; I'm simply not a bad person. Everyone can think what they want, you're all entitled to your own opnion. Just don't go bad mouthing me because you want to see me do something that you enjoy. I'm not asking you to go and stick a cock up your ass. Before you go judging and bad mouthing, walk a day in my shoes and then tell me what it's like. Also, I want to point out that YES I'm not a fucking size 2 and if I was, I'd freaking fall over with my huge tits. My body type is made to support my chest. Could I lose some weight? Yes and I'm actually working on it. Even though I love what I do, this business is so superficial. I get hit on and asked out constantly, in the "real world" from going out and just doing day to day errands, but because I put myself in front of a camera, I get picked apart and told that I'm fat. Like I said, think what you want but at the end of the day, I'm doing what I love AND getting paid for it =) Sierra, sorry that wasn't deleted sooner -- BigBobxxx Edited by - BigBobxxx on 3/26/2009 12:22:53 PM
Sierra, You're a beautiful girl for your body type. Guys into boobs, pretty faces and hair are just loving you to death Don't let the pinheads get to you. (And, please don't give up on ADT... we like hearing from you.) Personally, I think you are going to have a great career.
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Posted - Mar 26 2009 : 3:45PM
my god i didn't mean to insult anyone , please , don't take this the wrong way that was not my intention , i was not trying to insult you , if you don't know me , just go to mr marcus forum and search for me i'm "joy division" , if you read my posts you will see that i'm not into the " sara jay" type , i'm always complaining about it , and where did i say you were racist ? the word" racist" didn't even come out of my mouth , why would you say that ? i just think that there are many "thick" girls in the industry , and most of them do interracial , that's what i meant , so when i read a thread about you i thought damn this girl is very rare , so i'm really sorry i sounded like i was trying to insult you i swear that wasn't my intention , and nowhere did i say you were a bad person , far from me i don't even know you , i was just giving you some props and the lastpost that was deleted was NOT directed at you , it was directed at some brothas that love " thick" women i think thery ruin porn (just my personal taste) so that comment was directed at them , not you , and you said that i want to see you do interracil , please , search for " joy division" on mr marcus forum and read some of my posts and you will see the kind of girls i find attractive. best regards and sorry for anything. Edited by - somedudeyo on 3/26/2009 3:46:20 PM
Housekeeper, The (Belessa Films) - review by Danielmayu33216
Posted - Feb 20 2009 : 8:32PM
