When so many female performers make this same stance, it starts turning into an excuse. This trend of female performers using this IR label to refuse to shoot with a black guy has to end. Why won't pornstars just say they aren't interested in interracial?
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Posted - May 5 2020 : 11:20PM
^ Because it's a business and unfortunately some people will judge them on what decisions they make with their bodies so it's better to stay quiet about it or artfully dodge to avoid stepping on a landmine.
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Posted - May 6 2020 : 5:41AM
Then I say the adult industry isn't for them and should have no place for those type of performers. It's one thing to physically not be able to do anal for actual health reasons, but to not work with performers because of skin color and hide because the label "IR" is ridiculous. It's professional pornography. Performers should think about these things before entering the business. Again, there should be no place in the adult entertainment industry for models who don't work with certain races...end of debate.
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Posted - May 6 2020 : 7:22AM
^ It's hardly the end of the debate, but it's the end of any credibility you have in arguing it.
Expecting, requiring, or coercing anyone in the adult industry to perform any act or to perform with anyone against their wishes is wrong ethically and morally, regardless of their reasoning. Everything they do should be strictly up to them, and them alone, our personal beliefs or wishes should have zero impact in how they use their bodies.
^ Nobody is saying they should be forced to do something they are uncomfortable with. That absolutely would be wrong. I feel like your arguing something completely different. The point is sometimes the reasons for not doing it don't seem genuine or don't make logical sense. This can lead to speculation of racism and while I'm not accusing anyone of being racist, as a POC I would rather not support anyone who is racist. Again not saying they she be forced to do IR. I'm saying I would rather not watch them if their true reasons are rooted in racism. My eyes, my body, my choice correct? Anyway I just wanted to give a reason why Isabelle probably won't be on the site using her own words. Didn't mean to steer the convo in this direction.
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Posted - May 6 2020 : 10:54AM
The larger point is the reasons an actress gives are irrelevant but I get what you're saying and appreciate the neutral way you approached the issue given your point of view. What I addressed from Ohio's post is the unrealistic expectation that unless a white/asian/latina performer is willing to have sex with black men they should not be allowed to perform at all. When someone says there should be no place in the industry for them that's exactly what they're saying - you must have sex with black men or find another job. They never bother to explain the timeline its supposed to happen within or how it's enforced, it's simply that they must do 'x' or gtfo. That's force, not in terms of assault or rape, but even that's not too far off when you're making someone choose to keep their job by using their body in a way they don't want to.
It openly illustrates his own racism.
When an actress says I will not have sex on camera with a black man it is completely reasonable to not support her career and to boycott companies who cast her, it's a valid consumer response regardless of any reason she gives for her choice. But telling an actress she must have sex with a black man, whether she wants to or not, or she loses her job is not reasonable. Nor is it reasonable to say unless you have sex with black men you cannot enter the industry to begin with.
That's textbook racist behavior.
Edited by - upsux on 5/6/2020 10:55:03 AM
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Posted - May 6 2020 : 12:50PM
Absolutley NOWHERE did i say they should be forced to work with black men. In fact I'm arguing for true transparency! If a model doesn't want to work with black men, fine, id rather then just say that so I can do the things you say like boycotting companies that cast performers who don't. I just hate the constant excuses like "size" or "attraction" or the label "IR" as reasons why the don't work with black men. It's nauseating and actually makes the situation worse. Just come right and be honest about it. I may not like it, but i could at least respect it. Again in my personal opinion, models who refuse to work with black men should reconsider joining and industry where "IR" is one of the biggest genres out there. That doesn't mean I'm FORCING them. They should just strongly think about that optic. It looks terrible.
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Posted - May 6 2020 : 1:11PM
There are many reasons why someone would choose not to work with a performer of another color. Some of those reasons are reprehensible by our mutual standards, some are not. And so long as neither you nor I have a stake in the livelihood of these performer's decisions it would be wise to not pass judgment on someone else's life choices.
As far as optics, it only looks terrible because you care so much about skin color. If having sex with a black man should be viewed or categorized no differently than having sex with a white man because it's just sex and skin tone doesn't matter then shouldn't the decision not to do so be just as trivial?
This is why I say their reasons for not doing it shouldn't matter. If people stopped insisting they have sex with black men, asian men, etc... and let them live their lives and manage their own careers the problem would largely cease to exist.
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Posted - May 6 2020 : 1:27PM
I see what you're trying to do...listen in a perfect world, I shouldn't even have to say that, the irony, is that by you enabling and endorsing that kind of thought process by modes, actually could be interpreted as you condoning racist behavior. I'm not saying your are, but it could taken that way for sure.
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Posted - May 6 2020 : 1:31PM
^ It's only an endorsement if someone draws a line in the sand and says you're with me or against me and completely disregards someone else's right to choose their own path in life.
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Posted - May 6 2020 : 1:32PM
I'm black, it's the only thing i can relate to. Of course I want to see certain performers perform with black men. That's the dumbest take I've ever heard. I assume you're white? Imagine if the adult industry was exclusively BM/WF, wouldn't you as a white man want to see a scene you could relate to? Makes no sense to me to accuse a black man of only wanting to see certain women perform with black men....well duh!!! That doesn't mean I don't want them to work with white men, Asian men or Hispanic men....because i realize not all consumers are black. My lord....
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Posted - May 6 2020 : 1:43PM
I understand that as a black man you want to see your favorite performers work with black men. I also understand that as a white man it's far more likely for me to see what I want than it is for you.
But you're saying that if someone doesn't want to work with black men they should have no place in the industry, full stop.
Translated: white/asian/latino women should be required to work with black men or they should not be allowed to work in the industry.
The rest of this is just bandying about - you want it to be a requirement, I want it to be a choice.
I don't really care what race the male performer is, but if a male performer is too large or too small it can take me out of the scene. So apply that to race as you will, but for me as a viewer it's a size issue.
Interesting. I myself found that as I aged I enjoyed MILF porn actresses more and more. Perhaps, it was because they were closer to me in age. I also enjoy sex with mature women more than I did young woman back in the day. While I certainly enjoy watching the young starlets, some of them remind me of the headaches young hotties were to date.
We forgot to mention MILF India Summer. She's done over 1400 scenes. When I first saw her shoot as a blonde, it took me a moment to realize it was her. India is incidentally a prolific interracial performer. She has stated that she receives hate mail for her interracial work.
If Greg Lansky was directing Gabbie Carter, she would have done multiple one on one scene like Dani Daniel or Carter Cruise in a 5 scenes showcase in no time. I think they have badly mishandled the sex scenes with Gabbie Carter, she shouldn't keep being paired with another female co-star. Unless she doesn't want to be the sole actress, blacked should move on from the girl tandem scenes with Gabbie. In my mind, Gabbie should be tried like both Giselle Palmer and Kendra Sunderland in her one on one showcase in the future.I hope by the time Gabbie one on one scenes are shown, it's not the 2021 0r 2022. There are new actresses that are on Blacked has more multiple one on one scenes than Gabbie, and that's a shame.
^ Interesting point. Across the 'Vixen' sites I think she's done a total of 6 scenes in total, three of which have been with another girl. Two of the singles have been anal. She did have an exclusive anal contract for a time (6 months?). I suspect her contract with them specified how many scenes she'd do and in which combinations. 3 doubles and 3 singles has a sort of symmetry to it! If that was agreed it wouldn't matter who was in charge at a given moment if that was what the contract said, but who knows?! There are plenty of people out there who love the scenes with 2 girls. It sounds like my preference is similar to yours. I much prefer 1 on 1 scenes as I feel you get more 'action' with the one girl that you are particularly wanting to watch. I fel that if you've got a girl as great looking as Gabbie, why do you need anyone else as a distraction?
You are spot on in your opinion, I totally agreed. I heard rumors that Gabbie Carter have done some unreleased interracial scenes that not out yet, I hoping it's not a tandem duo like I said before in my previous statement. I believe could be as great as Lisa Ann and Brooklyn Chase, but I hope they do her scenes like Samantha Saint and Kendra Lust for they are Adult Hall of Fame actresses.
Symmetry in general is a good thing. You get just as much or more action for each girl in a 2 on 2 as you do in a 1 on 1, it amplifies the vibe, and you can do more things overall. There are too many threesomes on both Blacked sites, with another one coming up. One on ones are better than threesomes, and foursomes are much hotter. I don't mind an occasional FFM scene, but I fail to see the need for so many scenes with more dudes than babes in them.
^ Kendra is signed to MindGeek, which means she can do scenes for Brazzers, Twistys, Realitykings, Mofos, Babes.com, Digital Playground, and any other sites they have that I've forgotten about.
But she can't work for Blacked.
Having said all that, it's always possible they have a scene they shot with her a long time ago that they haven't released yet. I have no idea.
I think it's probably because she enjoyed shooting with Greg, and now that he has nothing to do with the company, she would prefer to not work with them. She also might have possibly shot a scene already for the post-Lansky version of the sites and was not pleased (I remember her mentioning having a BLACKED RAW scene in the can and possibly another BLACKED scene as well awhile back that still have not surfaced).
^^^ Possibly. Can't see the tattoos though. Could be someone like Mazzy Grace.
^ Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the soft lighting either. I've always liked Blacked's bright lighting style. But lighting aside, that scene felt much more like old school Blacked, so I really enjoyed it.
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Posted - May 10 2020 : 10:45AM
I'd like to see them continue the release pattern they've had to use during the pandemic where a model shoots a scene for multiple VMG sites and they are released in short order across them all. It creates the feeling of a network showcase and keeps them exposed for a lot longer than their typical "shoot two scenes and release them three years apart" mentality.
I think that Blacked is holding a unrelease scenes with newer models, and instead releasing those scenes with models who have done multiple scenes on this sites. Sometimes I wish the mix it up a little bit, with one on one scenes coming after group ,instead of multiple group scenes that apparently happening right on Blacked.
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Posted - May 10 2020 : 10:13PM
I was thinking the same! Also has the lame blindfold and taboo theme to it, which is very much Kayden Kross's concept. I think this was originally a deeper scene that got pushed onto this site. I hope this doesn't become a trend!
That scene would have been hotter if Ashley had taken the creampie. I also don't like it when the "extra" girl has her hands on the other one during the fucking action, it's just distracting. Interaction between the couple is what I'd rather see. Get out of the way and let them fuck.
Just like Diamond Kitty....Rachel Starr is another girl I'd love to see do IR but I'm not sure it's ever gonna happen. Than again I never thought Brandi Love, Jynx Maze or Cory Chase would ever do IR either so I guess ya never know
That's the truth, just wish Blacked or Blacked Raw has the courage to get Gabbie Carter a one on one scene, and do the same for either Rachel Starr or Diamond Kitty in the future.
^^ Yeah, it's weird how 2 of Gabbie Carter's IR scenes so far have been a threesome with another girl featured in there. I'm also waiting for a 1 on 1 IR scene with Gabbie Carter as well. The last 2 stars you listed, people have asked for years and they'll never touch IR.
A post on another forum says that all the Vixen-related sites have imposed a download limit. It's reported that it is 25 scenes per week. While this isn't a terribly low limit and, as a regular there it won't affect me much, but I'm wondering if anyone can confirm this.
Obviously a current member wouldn't notice it if all you're downloading is the current scene but it could be useful information for a prospective new member.
This would apply to Vixen, Tushy, Tushy Raw, Black, Blacked Raw and Deeper.
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Posted - May 13 2020 : 10:05PM
No comments about this week's scene featuring Alice Pink? Yeah, can't say I'm interested, either. Actually, I had never even heard of her until this scene was revealed.
^ You assume the lack of comments have anything to do with the woman appearing in the scene. I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you, that's rarely the case for me, personally.
^^ It's a bit harsh starting to 'trash' a scene.......that hasn't even been released yet! I'll reserve judgement until I've had the opportunity to watch the whole scene.
I like her quite a bit. She had a decent scene on Raw, and an OK scene on BBCPie(too much POV on that site). Problem is, I am very fed up with all these threesomes and the preview looks pretty weak. I will probably have to just skim this one and re-watch the Raw scene.
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