Let's me vent a little about the recent threesome starring Elena, Hadley and Hannah. 1-What was the reasoning behind hiring two newbies to do a threesome? 2-Wouldn't it have been better to have a newbie paired with two experienced performers if you wanted a threesome? 3-Wouldn't it have been even better to simply have one new model paired with a more experienced one? 4-Doesn't having two newbies fighting for screen time reduce the impact they could have had in a standard g/g scene? 5-Is it the premise of GW that lesbians don't like to kiss their sexual partner? 6-Wouldn't you expect that at least 10% of a lesbian scene would have kissing in it? 7-Why shoot a video on a couch where the top of the head of two of the performers gets repeatedly cut-off in some shots? 8-Why are static shot and minor pan left/right and up/down the only types of shots GW uses? 9-Do modern video camera's not have a zoom option? 10-Why were so many camera shots not centered on the action? 11-Why didn't anyone tell the performers to tone down the fake moaning and screaming orgams? I know I'm often critical of what I perceive to be errors on the part of GW but I usually recognize that budget is at the heart of those errors but this time it's a lack of preparation and possibly incompetence on the people who shot that scene because cutting the head off your talent in a video is probably at the top of the list of do's and don't of filmmaking. Someone should have recognized that the entire set-up was going to be problematic and altered it to address the problem but seeing as they were already cutting the top of the head off during the beginning of the video then it's no wonder no one bothered during the rest of the scene. The premise was fine and the acting decent(except for the exaggerated moaning and fake orgasm screams) but this is one scenario that would have been better served as two one-on-one scenes connected by the premise. It would have required that it be longer so as to better showcase the talent but in return you would have a more developed storyline where it was made obvious that the main goal behind Elena inviting both women was for her to have sex with both of them. In my version of this scenario. I would had the same beginning but have both women scheduled to show up an hour apart but where one of them arrives too early and catches Elena having sex with the other woman. You could have had a mix of shots of the women having sex and the voyeur rubbing herself as she is getting more and more turned on but never being noticed or joining in. The scene could have then been her going to wait in another room and then pouncing on Elena the moment she sits down because she is so turned on or because she knows what she has to do to get the head cheerleading job.
^^ Hadley might be a newbie to GW, but doesn't appear to be a newbie to lesbian sex. She dove right into the action. Looked more comfortable and enthused than performers who have shot 10+ scenes for them. Surprised with your discerning eye, you were ok with Hannah's acting. She clearly struggled with her 1st lines. Overall, this was a decent scene. Elena was the selling point here & she delivered.
^^One word...Hope. I always hope that this one will be worth it. My question to you is. Were you satisfied with that video? and depending on your answer. Why?
Hadley was by far the best actress in that scenario but lost points for the over the top moaning and fake orgasms. This is one instance where less would have been more. Elena was the second best actress and that leaves poor Hannah to bring up the rear. She wasn't too bad but definitely looks worse when compared to the other two women. I think part of the problem is the tongue piercing. It makes whatever she says sound a little weird. She is also much younger than both women. Now imagine what a Hadley and Elena g/g scene would have looked like.
^I'll cut Hannah some slack because until recently she's been little more than a B/G gonzo girl. Girlsway and recently Girlfriends Films are the only places so far where she has been required to do a little acting and dialogue beyond a minor setup.
^So did I. Her performance wouldn't have looked all that badly if the other two women weren't so much better than her. She did a pretty good job with the back and forth dialogue she had with Hadley before Elena showed up but because Hadley was on another planet then it made Hannah's seem like she wasn't holding her own. It begs repeating that her tongue piercing makes her speech pattern sound off and that is bound to affect the way we judge her overall performance. The sex portion was rather good but greatly suffered from shitty camera work.
I hope that in the future the new girls on All Girl Massage before Girlsway formula is put to use again. Not every girl needs to go through there before they shoot for GW, but a girl like Hannah certainly could have used it. Elena's great when she's paired with someone talented, but she's not quite there yet when it comes to a performer either not clicking with her or is inexperienced, which made the scene even more awkward.
^Good point, because this was literally Hannah's 2nd G/G scene and it was a three-way with a pair of experienced performers. But not experienced enough to be the types to be able to break in and guide a newbie, especially on the fast-paced nature of a Girlsway set. Going to the 'minor leagues' of All Girl Massage was a good way to get a girl ready for the step up to Girlsway, but the new strategy seems to be throw girls into the deep end right away on Girlsway and bring back those who really worked out ala Alina Lopez. It has the advantage of breaking up the monotony of the usual suspects on Girlsway and adding variety in casting, but it also means a lot of girls may not get a 2nd chance any time soon if things didn't go really well.
^&^^I don't disagree with your suggestion but doing it that way would require a lot more logistic on the part of GW because they would have to wait for the newbie to shoot for AGM before they booked her and ultimately that would still be only one extra g/g video under her belt. Granted one more is better than none but I'm thinking 3 or 4 is a much better number for a newbie to find her lesbian footing(see below for a different appraoch). Another reason why doing it that way may not be as great as getting a newbie to do one of her first g/g video is that you lose her natural reaction that might be there because she already lost them in previous shoots. My suggestion is much simpler. Do the research before hiring a performer. There are plenty of excellent source of information on performers and all GW has to do is verify if the performer they want to hire is new to lesbian porn. If yes, then make sure you book her with an experienced lesbian performer who can guide her through the scene. Preferably an older woman who will be in a better position to play lesbian mentor to the newbie. If you want to have a threesome than the same thing applies. You hire two experienced lesbian performers but instead of having the normal each women gets about the same time being serviced. This time both women spend almost all of the screen time servicing (I'd rather see ravaging) the newbie.
It's always been laughable that a performer has to work their way up to a GW scene. It's attempting to give GW a status it's never had or, in a way, earned. It's one of the reasons people around here are sometimes disappointed in the site. They imagine some past version of GW that never existed. GW is a site that puts out a ton of product, listens to it's members, and tries to hire the best of the talent available. That's why it's worth a membership. The stories,sets & direction are, at their very best, adequate. We have a few laughs here critiquing the plots & acting on the site. Trust me, you can go back & watch porn from any era & do the same thing. Oh, the next scene up is Alina Lopez & Carter Cruise. We need not make them shoot a "minor league" scene 1st.
^I am probably the most vocal critic of the kind of porn GW puts out but I don't believe that I or anyone else put GW on any pedestal or gave it some kind of special status among lesbian porn sites but because it is one of maybe 4 websites that still regularly update with new lesbian videos then it's bound to get talked a lot more than the others. In fact unless you are aware of many other lesbian studios than this one and Girlfriend Films seem to be the only two to have has much content as they do. I wish I could be like you and laugh at the stupid little things we write but I can't because I take my porn too seriously. I don't think anyone could argue that I'm passionate about porn. Especially when I write long posts about what are essentially very meagre scenario driven porn videos. I have hope that this next one will be better. Needless to say that I am more often than not disappointed but I keep hoping. I can't be satisfied with GW's hiring practices because they can hire the best people and still fuck it up. Unless you disagree with me and think that the threesome starring Hadley, Elena and Hannah was great and all performers were amazing than don't you also have hope that they have gone in a different direction and not paired Hannah with two far better lesbian performers or hope that they would have recognized that Hannah would have been better utilised in a one-on-one scene instead of a threesome?
^^Totally disagree. There is a reason why they are so popular, and have won plenty of awards and accolades, and are still going strong despite criticism found in this thread. Girlsway was pretty much the only G/G site that performers actively campaigned to get on, and it's still a big deal today because if you hit it off there it can mean great things for your career.
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2345 Posts 12/17
Posted - Jun 6 2018 : 10:56PM
I would say what sets Girlsway up as the new titan of lesbian porn is versatility; unlike Sweetheart Video and Girlfriends Films - Girlsway is not constrained by 'franchise porn.' Rarely are any of their scenes falling into the category of a series like Women Seeking Women or Girls Kissing Girls & it works. In a way, you could say that Girlsway has proven you can do porn scenes ala carte instead of just having franchise after franchise and generate serious profit. Sinful Scorpio, Passionate Aries
Alina Lopez is one of the rare recent debuts who has been brought back regularly. In fact, Girlsway and All Girl Massage seems to be the only places she actually does G/G for. She has been rewarded with Girlsway vet Carter Cruise in the latest logo-less Vignette Series Babysitting Lesbians - Party Plans
You make some valid points and you may be right but I think that what really sets them apart is that GW release more videos each month than either of those two studios. GFF releases one new(old) video every 2-3 days, SV 1 to 2 videos about every four days and GW releases 1 videos every 1 to 2 days. This basically means that GW has about twice as many releases each month than the other two. The biggest selling point for GFF and SW is that they have a lot more older content than GW so if you crave porn from some specific performer that are no longer active(like me) than GFF and SV are going to look a lot more appealing. Their biggest negative is that some of it will not be in a high video resolution because they were never filmed in HD. It's true that GFF only released porn under specific franchises but I doubt that all of them were filmed for that franchise and mostly got released that way. Now of course some of the franchise like mother/daughter exchange club had to have scenes shot specifically for them because of the subject matter but many of the others were generic lesbian scenes that the producer chose to release under a specific banner. I would also like to point out that while most GW videos are stand alone. They still get released under a specific banner like Mommy's Girl or Web Young.
^^ First g/g scene I saw Alina in was a Jules Jordan offering with Jenna Sativa (Bare). It was directed by Kayden Kross (I think). It was an excellent scene & movie. It's likely Alina or any performer would be more than happy to work with the combo of Jules & Kayden.
I enjoy your dissections of GW's offerings. I'm not sure how many others share this affinity. I hope you keep doing them. Unless something changes radically, you'll have plenty of ammo moving forward. GW has at no time attempted to make the type of scenes with the attention to detail you propose. They are more concerned about Miss Porn Star showing up on time & being sober. I'm confident you have already realized that, but enjoy the exercise anyways. Could the Elena 3-some scene be better? They could all be better. GW doesn't share your feeling that newbies would be better off in a 2-some scene. I don't know what else to say on this point. As for Elena, I'm grateful they hired her and she put out her regular good effort. As I have stated before, if I get a couple good scenes a month with performers I find attractive, feel like the cost is worth it. You aspire to a hire standard. There is nothing wrong with that.
I don't doubt for a second GW treats the women well and their checks don't bounce. If you are a g/g only performer, that's extra important. The work choices are limited. I have always found the rest of your spiel total fantasy. But, that's what a forum is for.
I will keep fighting the good fight if for no other reason than I have hope that someone will read what I and others write and try to implement some of the changes that I know would improve the scenes and not cost anything more to produce. I realise that it's a numbers game and content thieves are winning the battle so anything that will cost more to produce will mean less money in the pocket of the producer. I think you are right that it's more important to them that the model they hired weeks ago shows up on time, is ready to work and isn't going to have a breakdown during the shoot. The part I copied from your post is basically my view as well. I just like to play the part of the old fart who complains all the time. I can assure you of one thing. If I ever see a GW video that blows my mind than I will write just as many things about that video as I do about all the ones that annoy me.
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Posted - Jun 7 2018 : 6:19PM
^ For me, better direction in the scenes would solve a lot of my problems with GW lately. Also, like you, I complain because I do enjoy the GW product but that doesn't mean that it can't be improved.
^^^ Call it a fantasy if you want, but the facts don't lie. ^^If Girlsway did implement everything you have suggested, I'm skeptical that you would sing their praises. Because I believe critique of G/G porn is actually a big part of your enjoyment of it.
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2345 Posts 12/17
Posted - Jun 7 2018 : 10:11PM
You do realize that's not just Girlsway right?? Incest is like interracial, it's a theme that has been around for years and is not going anywhere. Does the series Taboo with Kay Parker ring any bells? Sinful Scorpio, Passionate Aries
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2345 Posts 12/17
Posted - Jun 7 2018 : 10:14PM
So I was doing some research, apparently Charlotte Stokely and Karlie Montana haven't had a scene together for any studio since 2008 - that's 10 years without two of the best unsung starlets in the business never getting to taste each other?? Please can Girlsway rectify that . . . Sinful Scorpio, Passionate Aries
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Posted - Jun 7 2018 : 10:35PM
No, I've never heard of any of those things before. YOU made the statement that GirlsWay doesn't do "franchise porn". I pointed out that they do do 'franchise porn". Does the GW series "Mommysgirl" ring any bells?
^x7 I wouldn't say that booking a girl for AGM before GW that hasn't done a lot of g/g before is attempting to give GW a "status" above other sites. For every model like Alina, Ivy Wolfe, and Kali Roses who you can tell has that special something, there are debuts like Hannah, Ivy Jones, and Carolina Sweets (though by the looks of it I'm in the minority here) that aren't there yet on a performance level and could have used some scenes on AGM to find themselves as performers first. As Pat said, some research into pairings and potential debuts for new models could be a great start. Often times I feel that pairings are made with name value in mind rather than potential chemistry in acting/sex in mind. On a name value level, you would think that Cherie and Kenna would be a pairing of the year candidate, but they have such different styles of performing that at least for me they don't mesh as well as one would think. As for the franchise porn debate, while GW does not have the traditional franchises that GFF has (Women Seeking Women, Exchange Club, etc.), it's inaccurate to say that MG isn't a franchise as well. The fetish itself isn't a franchise, but the scenes follow tropes and structures that are so similar, it's impossible to separate them from each other. In a similar way to the GFF franchises, it also falls into the predictability trap in a bad way.
I disagree with the suggestion that Elena Koshka and Hadley Viscara are not great lesbian performers. I haven't seen the scene so I cannot comment on the performance of the trio in this, but both Elena and Hadley have shot some very good sex scenes - Elena especially is almost a sure thing. Even with newbies, I mean watch her scenes with seemingly inexperienced girls like Sierra Nicole, Anastasia Hart, and Aria Skye (the latter she even manages to make hot despite being forced to use a stupid toy and partake in several ridiculous acrobatic sex positions). 3-somes are always hit and miss regardless of the talent. I often just find them irritating as the camera has a tenancy to focus on part of the action you don't want it to focus on, they usually always end up in some weird sex positions that make no sense, and the sex rarely gets shared evenly. Edited by - intelpremium on 6/8/2018 9:49:23 PM Edited by - intelpremium on 6/8/2018 9:51:39 PM
I feel like we're similar. I too will be happy registering for a site if I'm getting a couple of genuinely good (imo) scenes per month. Due to the nature of GG porn I'm used to the dissapointment. I mean AnalX... sorry LesbianX for example haven't shot a scene I've been remotely interested in since last year (I'm not joking, the last pairing that caught my eye was Ariana Marie & Jenna Sativa - rare for an anal scene). I actually laughed at the thumbnail for the Cherie DeVille & Alexis Fawx scene last week... authentic lesbian sex indeed. So yeah, if Girlsway can pump out near to one scene I love per week I'll continue to sign up every now and then to grab them. I would never expect to enjoy every scene they release however.
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2345 Posts 12/17
Posted - Jun 8 2018 : 10:15PM
I see that as more of a brand rather than a series: Pure Taboo is a brand, Web Young is a brand under which a particular kind of content is shot. When I think of a series, I think of various volumes like WSW, the Mother Daughter Exchange Club, Girlsway doesn't really go that way often. You may have one or two interconnected scenes but it's not going to be like reading a book so to speak. Sinful Scorpio, Passionate Aries
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2345 Posts 12/17
Posted - Jun 8 2018 : 11:44PM
Oh BTW Bree/Alan - I have someone I definitely think would be a lovely fit in the Girlsway family. Athena Faris - her body is killer and she can sing! I mean legitimately has a good voice, would LOVE to see you showcase that in a kickass scene. I was thinking could be cool if someone like Samantha Rone or Karlie Montana or Elexis Monroe could be a reliable partner in the scene followed by Abigail Mac or Jelena Jensen. Sinful Scorpio, Passionate Aries
Eva, I couldn't agree more with you. I'm on your side when we talk about testing girls at AGM. And it's not because Girlsway needs to have some status or anything like this, it's actually to test the model's abilities and see what they're capable of. Your three examples of girls that wouldn't need this test were perfect. The only thing I kind of disagree with you is the example of Carolina Sweets as one of the "bad debuts". I enjoyed her scene with Alexis and I thought she was really good. I can think of some new girls that did waaay worse than her (Riley Anne and Nia Nacci come to mind). I also just checked the trailer for the scene with Ivy Wolfe and Kira Noir and I have to say that Kira is also part of the small group that will do great without any tests. Her acting skills in 30 seconds feels so much more natural than what we've seen coming from GW veterans with more than 3 scenes and enought time to adjust to Alan and Girlsway style. Sex looks great too and pairing her with Ivy was a good choice.
^ Following this line of reasoning, should a performer have to tryout at GW before she moves on to Pure Taboo? The consensus on this thread seems to be PT plots and dialogue are superior to GW. Accordingly, you'd need the best acting talent there. Hey, maybe that's what Bree is doing.
^That's kind of actually what happened because Bree has cast performers she trusts and has been impressed by from Girlsway for PT and gave them more to work with. But this was before they recently phased out the more mini-series and features which were more demanding in terms of acting and dialogue than what Girlsway produces now. And the All Girl Massage minor leagues system made sense not too long ago because the Girlsway fanbase was pretty unforgiving if a girl didn't impress right out the gate which meant they didn't get a 2nd chance for awhile if at all. So it was a good way to get their feet wet and used to Alan's style, because as we can see if the Girlsway fans like, you'll be brought back often and given more to work with. Anyways, It's overdue but Sofi Ryan has finally made her Girlsway debut in The Debate Team. She's paired with Emma Hix in only her 3rd Girlsway scene. We shall see if Sofi has what it takes to get a call back. But a newbie who has already gotten another scene is Judy Jolie, paired with another older woman after Chanel Preston. This time it's Bridgette B. in Mom Saved Me!
^^^ and ^^ I don't think that's necessarily what happens. I thnk that as a team, Alan and Bree end up trusting the same girls. I know that Bree's efforts are focused on PT right now, but when it comes to casting, I don't think Girlsway is "minor league" when compared to PT. I think it's more about logistics and stuff like that. Go check Adriana Chechik twitter and you can see that she shot both for PT and for Girlsway yesterday or two days ago, something like that. I think we have examples on both sides. Our own GOTM for June was on Pure Taboo before coming to Girlsway. If Bree trusted Whitney, then she might have given a heads up to Alan and he scheduled her. The rest is history as we're seeing how much member support she has and how good her scenes are. Chloe Cherry is another one that first went to PT before showing up on Girlsway and getting a GOTM title under her belt. The next in line looks to be Lena Paul as she is/was working on a few special PT episodes and is starting to show up more on Girlsway. As different as they are, PT and GW are still websites of the same company. The thing with AGM is that the members over there weren't as demanding as the members on GW, so to me it totally makes sense to try girls out there: you don't end up "burning" them with GW fans and you give them a chance to get used to Alan/Girlsway style, improving their chances of success once they move to GW. AGM also is basically one on one scenes all the time, so it may be easier to test new girls on that way (Though I'm not sure if new models like Hannah would be more comfortable in a one on one rather than in a threesome like she did, this is the general consensus). There were, however, many suggestions by members on GW forum for a bigger quantity of new models so I guess that had something to do with Alan ditching the AGM>GW process for a few months now. Since I'm not a member of AGM as of right now, I miss this little process when we get girls like Kasey Warner, who I'm a fan and who already has a couple of scenes on GW going to AGM while on GW we have like 7 debuts in the month with "non tested" girls. Edited by - erolixxx on 6/9/2018 5:00:18 AM
^Another point to Girlsway strength is the listening to the members, so the influx of newer models makes sense. And along those lines, some of the more creative and interesting recent and upcoming story lines are member submissions. Girlsway just has to wary of "Studio Meddling" and turning those stories into typical fare like has happened before. It's also disappointing and telling how ladies like Angela White and Lena Paul have been inspired to write creative and interesting scenarios for PT, while the model fantasies on Girslway are collecting dust.
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2345 Posts 12/17
Posted - Jun 9 2018 : 8:14PM
I swear, seeing those pictures - I so wanted to pull a 'Cool World' moment like the moment and just dive into my screen. Sinful Scorpio, Passionate Aries
I'm about to offer a more positive review of Babysitting Lesbian with Carter and Alina. Sadly it's not all rosy. The Pros: -Both women are well casted for their roles. -There is some good pre-sex back and forth dialogue that helps the scenario and adds a little to the sex portion of the scene. -The premise while stretching the imagination a little is still one that makes sense. -Both women are on their A game and they have excellent chemistry. -The sex for the most part is really hot. -The scene last over 40 minutes which is excellent. -Alina's tongue was well used. Can we say she is the Gene Simmons of porn? -The women actually interacted with each other in a room that isn't the one they have sex in. The Cons: -Carter pushed her hair out of the way at least 14 times. -Alina pushed her hair out of the way 14 times as well. -Both pushed the hair out of their partner's way a combined of 6 times or more( I kind of lost track of some). -Carter rimmed Alina for about 4 minutes. -Alina rimmed Carter for about 4 minutes. That scene had every thing going for it and if someone had just gotten a clue that both women's hair was going to be a problem. Then all they had to do is address the problem and re-shoot the scene then it would have been a nearly perfect scene but instead I kept getting pulled out of the scene each time one of them broke the fourth wall by demonstrating that their hair was in the way of the shot. It automatically killed whatever momentum the scene had been building up to that point and at a combined 28 times then needless to say it killed a lot of momentum. I have to ask this one again. When did rimming become something that is a must in a lesbian scene? In fact when did rimming become a must in any scene? A combined eight minutes of rimming when there is a beautiful pussy just waiting to be eaten makes very little sense. I could sort of understand having some rimming if you were going to have a certain level of anal play but otherwise I don't see the point or the appeal. I know that rimming isn't new to lesbian porn because I can remember seeing it in older GFF videos but today is overkill and never leads to anal play of any kind.
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2345 Posts 12/17
Posted - Jun 9 2018 : 11:35PM
I hate to say this but honestly, if you want scenes where hair is not an issue - you better stick to the short haired performers like Riley Nixon and Leigh Raven. The reasons why few tie their hair back isn't exactly a secret: when was the last time anyone had sex worried about their hair being up or down? Secondly, whether it's a B/G or G/G - hair is often pulled during doggystyle or hard blowjobs and also used to facilitate pussyeating. Sinful Scorpio, Passionate Aries
When Manuel is urging a girl to rim him, he often says "come on be a dirty girl" or something to that effect. There you have your answer. Rimming is one of those things a naughty girl does. Miss XXX isn't just licking her stepmom's pussy, she's licking her ass, too. What a crazy, bad girl! It's part of the fantasy. You are certainly not alone in your opinion on this matter, but feel strongly you are in the minority. That's why it's become so common in porn(b/g or g/g). Oh, Bruce Seven is the 1st director who made a big splash shooting g/g. He often featured a dose of ass licking. That was 35 years ago.
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2345 Posts 12/17
Posted - Jun 10 2018 : 2:45AM
I do have a slightly special request of Girlsway - I LOVE, LOVE Adria Rae's mischievous seductive nature coming into play in 'Internet Outage.' I don't know if she's naturally submissive but Karlee Grey is great as the seduced so I would like to see a scene in which Adria Rae gets to seduce Karlee in an equally convincing fashion. Talk about a steamy scene . . . Sinful Scorpio, Passionate Aries
Those old Felecia ass licking videos are the only "retro" porn I like. My only complaint with GW ass licking is, we don't always have to see the tongue touching the butthole. Other positions are okay, rather than ass up, facing the camera.
Personally, it was Lansky in his WLT days when I remember encountering rampant G/G anal play. Anyways, Serena Blair has always been fairly regular on Girlsway, but she's been popping up more and more with her new Jelena Jensen-esque hair. This time she is with Casey Calvert whose return I'm happy to see wasn't a one-time thing in Still Horny which kind of pokes fun at the Girlsway shooting process.
Posted - Jun 5 2018 : 8:22AM
