Stops being arousing for who? I believe this is the difference in the markets of textbook BDSM role-playing porn and the abuse/degradation porn. The appeal is that it is as real as possible. After all, that was the intention of hardcore porn in the first place, wasn't it? Fake is considered bad. The audience behind this market do want it to be abusive and demeaning. Take for example FacialAbuse, there are videos where the guy asks the girl if she likes her treatment, to which she replies "no". They want it known straight for the horses mouth that she doesn't enjoy the abuse. Not that it isn't obvious enough, most of the time.In this case I would disagree. I generally don't think to myself, "cool, mass murder!" "I hope the guy is really bleeding to death!" To me, that's the difference with watching movies, you suspend disbelief, but with porn you don't have to. That's what is appealing about hardcore porn, it's just sex, real, hard, and without rhyme or reason.
I think this analogy is more accurate. I do find it hopelessly intriguing in that "car crash" sort of way, watching this sort of corruption spread, and the effects it directly and indirectly has. While I agree, I find it all disturbing too, when not aroused and in the mood to seek it out. I really wish that it weren't so, and that I didn't derive pleasure from such things. But in my experience it has been very addictive and potent, the way I've become attracted to it. Really, I'd just like to see it all go away. But I feel that the damage is already done. An even bigger problem though, are those who can't set aside their addiction and lust after this, in order to see any wrong in it, as you say taking no responsibility. Such as in the OP, where he "confesses" he enjoys it and claims to NOT feel bad about it. This is the sentiment I hear from most guys who discuss their interest in it.
A similar topic has been frequently discussed at lesbian porn forums: coercive and blackmail scenes. Some posters like scenes where a repressed woman is forced to give in to her desires and enjoy sex with a woman. They like watching the change happen, and frequently complain when the change happens to quickly and implausibly. I think some producers decided to dumb it down and cut corners by cutting off the change in the middle and joy at the end.
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Posted - Sep 16 2010 : 8:57PM
You're absolutely right. But the girls in some of these scenes say they don't enjoy it because that's what they're supposed to say. Even if they really are enjoying it, or don't really care one way or the other, the audience isn't supposed to know it. We're supposed to believe that the "abuse" is real, even though it isn't. If we know it's fake, then what's the point of watching this type of porn? Might as well go and watch a regular average porn scene.
I think this is another problem, viewers not perceiving a sense of discomfort or distress in some of these videos, whether they just don't see it, or don't want to. I like to think I can gauge reaction fairly well. From what I've seen, it seems as you say, a lot of them seem indifferent about it although uncomfortable, some seem very obviously distressed and if they're pretending, they belong in Hollywood and not San Fernando Valley. On occasion, some seem even enthusiastic, laughing and smiling. I do believe there are some girls on the set who maybe do get a kick out of it, it's hard to tell when they start acting goofy. But the majority of the time, my impression is most of them are not having too good of a time, a lot of times they are frozen, show no enthusiasm, no eye contact with the guy, never say a word, even when smacked or spit in the face. I get the feeling a lot that they're thinking "isn't this about over?". But yeah, I understand what you're saying about faked stuff. Edited by - echoplex on 9/17/2010 2:54:27 AM
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Posted - Sep 17 2010 : 11:08AM
For mentally healthy people to whom sex is a pleasure to be shared rather than a weapon of dominance or misogyny, or a tool for inflating male ego. Your phrase, "suspension of disbelief (Coleridge's, actually)" is key. It's a fancy way of saying that we adjust our credulence to accept as real what logically we understand all along is not. Your notion that porn is "real" only speaks for the success of it in decieving you. And I can only repeat that if sex MUST be TRULY violent to arouse you, if you must be doing or watching REAL degradation or real harm to another, then you have an emotional disturbance or mental illness that is depriving YOU of the pleasure that compares to no other of SHARING affection, arousal and orgasm.You would disagree and then restate pretty much what I said that you disagree with? It is exactly my point that you suspend disbelief in the movies AND when watching porn. That you are not aware that that is what you are doing with porn as well I think as to do with your own physical masturbatory involvement with what you are watching. Since watching sex has the same physiological result as doing it, there is indeed a dimension of reality with porn that few people have with other forms of entertainment.
Well, assuming you had read my original post in this thread, you'd know that I don't consider my own interest to be "mentally healthy". But what you're saying here, is that all porn is no more real than a Hollywood movie? That they all contain... fake sex? Fake as in, an illusion, not occurring, not happening. Just like in Hollywood sex scenes? Or are you suggesting that the sex is not "realistic", rather? I'm not buying into the idea that porn as a whole is "totally real", or that a lot of it isn't doctored. But I'm saying, a lot of the hardcore genre is based around being as real as possible, the kind of stuff that cuts out all the BS in favor of going straight to just hard sex.We're not seeing eye to eye here. I'm saying I don't go into a movie trying my damnedest to believe what's being presented as reality. I really don't need to do that, it's just a story I'm following. For me personally, the it's the opposite with porn. I don't want to see anything pretend or acted, nothing that isn't natural to what is occurring. I see it as two paid people on some cheap set fucking, maybe neither are thrilled about it at all, and I don't have any interest in believing otherwise. And if I feel like I have to accept something being faked on that set, I loose interest. I have no interest in someone pretending to enjoy something, I have no interest in someone pretending to hate something. I realize some hardcore films have a cheesy backdrop to them, a pretend scenario to give reason to the sex. But I don't mind knowing that much is fake, I have no interest to believe those sort of things either. It is what it is, and the sex is the only element that matters... well, other than genuine reaction. Edited by - echoplex on 9/17/2010 8:23:22 PM
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Posted - Sep 20 2010 : 8:11PM
So it's ok to abuse men? I always find that argument laughable. either your against violence or your not. So that male reporter who was choked out(against his will) by the female MMA lady was OK? Thats the hypocrisy I can't stand, it's ok for femdom sites to beat the tar out of men, but if they have a site thats rough on women oh noes..
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Posted - Sep 20 2010 : 8:17PM
My theory on why OP and other like watching women get "abused" is because of the feminzation of western society. The Ines Sainz Jet locker room debacle is a prime example of the hypocrisy of women equal rights. It's ok for female reporters to go in male locker rooms but not the other way around. Also the male athletes have no choice, Sam Wyche former coach of the Bengals was fined 36K because he didn't let female reporters in while his players were getting dressed. Several athletes like the late Reggie White was unhappy with women being in the locker women while he was getting dressed but the feminist got their way like they always do. I think it's reason's like this is why rough sites are popular.
I don't know what that means but your site is a feminist site, so i like anything a feminist says i guess it's bad or an insult. Max Hardcore, Japanese pr0n and other rough sites bring balance to the force they are whats keeping men from being consumed by this PC feminist society. Metrosexuals are the remains of men who have been castrated by feminist.
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Posted - Sep 21 2010 : 1:27AM
I don't know what that means but your site is a feminist site, so like anything a feminist says i guess it's bad or an insult. Max Hardcore, Japanese pr0n and other rough sites bring balance to the force they are whats keeping men from being consumed by this PC feminist society. Metrosexuals are the remains of men who have been castrated by feminist.
(Long post is LONG.) I recently gave away my entire porn collection. There were fifteen moving boxes filled with hundreds of videos and DVDs. Ten years it took, not to mention the thousands of dollars were poured into the endeavor. It was a funny thing for me to do since I have been such a dedicated pervert for such a long time. A certain something changed me, made me realize that the whole goddamn thing was a stupid waste of time. In no time I had posted my collection as up for grabs in the "free" section of craigslist. The ad went live on a Friday afternoon and I was rid of the whole mess before 11:00 that night. By that time I was simply disgusted with myself for wasting so much time and money amassing such a stupid collection. I furiously stacked it into a big pile on some person's porch, cursing and mumbling like an escaped mental patient off my meds. I tore out of the driveway in a fit of anger and was extremely glad to be rid of the whole humiliating experience. The certain something that changed me was that old rascal, Duke Skywalker and his Facial Abuse cohorts. I was shuffling through a bunch of crap on Limewire one night and decided to give "Hailey - Facial Abuse" a try. After about five minutes, it hit me: this Facial Abuse stuff was the real deal. Which meant 99% of all porn is absolute bullshit. Which meant I had a ton of useless crap cluttering up my garage. The thing with FA is, there is no robotic moaning or fake orgasms. Everything that happens is totally genuine. It's physically impossible to fake those kinds of visceral emotions. I tried going through my collection to find anything that compared, but it was futile. It was like drinking warm, flat soda instead of being able to cracking open an ice cold can of coke and guzzle away; there's just no contest. It's too bad that getting a genuine performance out of woman requires physically breaking her like a horse, but that's life. Watching some contract diva going through the motions no longer does it for me. I guess it all boils down to the fact that I don't like being lied to; is that so wrong? (A big Thank You to the banned one and his cohorts!)
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