An alternative to paywalls can be to just have different level memberships, though I don't know if performers would have to create a different OF account for each level. If OF doesn't already allow performers to create different level memberships with one account, perhaps they should. Like the basic level, then the next level where there's everything in the basic level plus more, plus perhaps a highest level on top of that most inclusive each for a different price stated up front. Though it's up to the performer, I don't recommend creating more than 3 levels because it can get confusing and overwhelming for the performer and viewers if there are too many. Plus, I also see advantages to having one flat all inclusive rate instead of different levels.Edited by - Tessa on 8/30/2023 5:01:28 PM
OF lets you make a free tier and a paid tier, but the issue still remains that there's little to no discovery happening on OF. You're on a cam site where people can easily see/find you. If you sign up for OF there's no search methods so I'd have to know you were there and want to support you there in order for it to be effective for you. Porn is partially about getting yourself out there in front of as many people as possible and the way some people choose to use their OF goes against that. Unfortunately I think that overall kills the platform over time because there's easier ways to find more people AND its not all paid.
Yeah, I knew that some models have free and paid sections of OF, though not different tiers for paid memberships as far as I know. However, I don't have an OF page so I cannot say from experience there. I see how some of the original OF models or models who have been on for years and build up a following before it became so saturated can do well. Plus, they probably have so much content by now accumulating over time. However, for newer models, I imagine it must be tough though maybe some do great. Apparantly, there are agents who can help people with their OF pages and not sure how helpful this is to newbees. Personally, I'm very skeptical of agents in this biz. Though some may be legit, if they screw you over or rip you off, they can just drop out of site or hold them accountable with the Internet being so global. Plus, they can keep on changing their name if word gets out.Edited by - Tessa on 8/30/2023 9:07:39 PM
Performers aren't just going behind the OF streaming wall, many of them - in addition to their OF business - are also self-producing clips for sale on sites such as ManyVids, Clips4Sale, etc. I have found the past couple of years that I've been increasingly drawn to this self-produced porn at the expense of traditional studio porn. Simply put, it excites me and gets me off much better than traditional studio porn currently does.
This may have been mentioned on this thread already, but something I've noticed models doing is selling old videos as if they are new. Nothing wrong with trying to make as much money on one's content as possible, but at least be upfront about the scene. I saw one model selling a 6 year old video as if it was just shot the other day. At this point if a model drops a scene I google the hell out of it first. Chances are the scene has been out and findable for a while, in some cases years.
^With all the free tube sites, you're probably right. However, especially if it's a studio produced scene, it's very likely somebody other than the performer posted it and they may not even know everywhere the scene is posted.
If they're studio produced scenes, the performers in question are almost certainly selling them illegally themselves. (Unless they were the studio-contracted producers, but that limits the pool of candidates to only a handful of, mostly male, industry members.) I would guess the previous poster was rather talking about privately produced scenes that previously served as content on performer websites or clip stores in the pre-Onlyfans days, though.
^It depends on whether they have legal rights to the video. Personally, I see no point in selling my scenes since they're almost all available online for free anyway. Instead, I just create my own solo stuff based on what I'm into, though I don't do OF. In my previous message, I was referring to the free tube sites where scenes can be pirated (even if the sites say you must have legal rights to them) or sometimes, studios with post parts of scenes on there with a link at the end saying something like "if you want to see more, go to...." where you pay. Or, the studios may post videos on the sites because they can make some money on the tube sites.
Yes, but what does any of that have to do with what the other poster was talking about, namely performers selling old content without acknowledging its age? You're rambling.
^Then, I'll go on "rambling" more. First, we have the right to speak in our own voices and not just in response to what that person said. Secondly, the last two sentences of their post was about content appearing elsewhere, which is what I'm also referring to: "At this point if a model drops a scene I google the hell out of it first. Chances are the scene has been out and findable for a while, in some cases years."
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^People shouldn't engage in the "messaging service" aspect of these platforms at all, so if a couple of guys end up blasting away tens of thousands, oh well. Hopefully they are lessons to others lol.
Let's get back to spending on videos (that we can own) lolol
Hi, Tessa! You're onto something, clearly. I remember when "amateur porn" first threatened the industry, when digital cameras first made it easy for folks to produce their own files without messing about with coaxial and composite cables. What folks said then was that they appreciated the feeling of intimacy. And I noticed back then, it was ironically the low quality of the production -- the graininess, the jerkiness (of the camera), the hand-made aspect -- that contributed to these folks' feelings. It felt personal partly because it appeared to cut out the middleman (or middle-person).
What I believe folks want or expect from OF (in my personal case, past tense) is more of a feeling of intimacy. I might trade some of the production quality for the occasional ability to praise the performer in person for how great she looks, or how it makes me happy to look at her. There's that initial rush of, "She responded to me!" which might give me the feeling that I've done something back that's good for her, and that this "relationship," as flimsy as it may be, isn't just a one-way, passive experience.
That's where the OF value proposition starts. Where it all gets blown up, almost immediately, is the clear realization that you're not talking with this girl at all. I'm having more interaction with you now, Tessa, than I would actually be having with the typical OF performer. I realize there are exceptions -- in one case, there's a classic performer we all know from the '80s who has live shows, and she's very conversational and often very interesting. But there's an industry now in fake responses, just as there was with the "phone sex" industry in the '80s and '90s. In the chat window for this performer, one night after a live show, I left her a message picking up on something she'd told me during the show. Whoever responded clearly had no idea what I was talking about; this person hadn't even watched the show itself.
It all hit home for me when one day, in one of my sorted e-mail folders, I received a job posting for a Professional Part-time OF Response Agent, for a firm that handles a vast plurality of performers. There's an hourly wage, you get to pick the hours, and in an effort to recruit me, it said this would be the perfect part-time income for retirees.
I immediately imagined dozens of guys ruining their armchairs, typing messages with one hand they think they're sending to their favorite bombshells, when they would actually be chatting with me. If anything should turn you off about being a regular subscriber to OF, that should do it.
This leads to the next realization: Quite a lot of OF isn't actually about supporting the performers. There's already a middle-person involved, just as a huge chunk of the "amateur porn" produced in the '90s and 2000s came from commercial producers using professional stars (many of the same ones appearing in studio productions), just with less make-up, and with cheaper cameras.
Sure, there's an opportunity for an actual relationship, and for appreciating performers with more than just words -- which is what they do deserve. But when it's all too easy and cost-effective to substitute the illusion of intimacy, just like water seeking the lowest point, things will head that direction.
Which porn performer with good name in business run the site himself? i dont think that they message you , its ALWAYS the manager from the performer . Which performer have the time to respond 1000 messages every day
I run my own page....no management company. It's not as hard as you think if you treat it like your business. You have to check your messages 3 to 4 times a day and stay on top of it.
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Posted - Dec 7 2023 : 11:06PM
Exactly. It doesn't make sense on the face of it. Maybe sometimes it's at least a female assistant doing the sexting, as opposed to a male one lmao
Hello, Angel! I'm very delighted to hear this. If you're handling your messages personally, then already the value of OF has skyrocketed. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong altogether. (P.S.: You're beautiful too.)
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In my experience, any time I've asked for proof that I'm speaking to the person they say they are - it's never given. Even if I've tipped. There is always an excuse as to why they can't send a specific requested photo or video. This, plus other things, has lead me to believe that you're actually interacting with an employee of the management company hired to run the account. It's the main reason I dont tip for interactions anymore, bc you're not actually getting the interaction you're paying for.
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Posted - Dec 12 2023 : 8:55AM
I have a few gripes with OF. It's not a bad platform. It bridges the gap, when a girl shoots for a studio, as some studios can keep scenes in the vault for ages and sites like OF give fans content to tide them over.
My main problems are that OF doesn't notify you when someone has sent you a message, or replied to you.
Also the main gripe with performers is that subscribers expect creators to be on tap at all times, when they have a life of thier own outside OF.
That is the same for subscribers as well. We have a life outside OF.
I think a lot of creators don't take into account the different time zones in different parts of the world. I'm in the UK and sub to a few US creators. I regularly wake up to messages sent at 3AM in whatever time zone they are in, asking me why i'm ignoring them. Maybe they are asleep, or doing other things in thier day to day life.
This topic of whether you're speaking with the actual OF model in DMs has come up over and over and over again on this thread. However, I realize there are about 1000 posts and some people may be new to this thread and it's not realistic to read every single one. That said, I thought it was paying customers complaining about assistants responding to DMs. However, this topic is also currently being discussed in a live cam model board I'm on (where some of the cam models also do OF or other fan sites). Somebody mentioned that the large volume of DMs models may receive can come largely from free pages on OF if they have these. As one model wrote, "Assistants: yes, a lot of models use them because it's really difficult to answer all your fans when you have a couple of thousands of subscribers, especially on a free account."
There have also been complaints on here about OF models taking a couple of weeks to respond. Well, if they're responding to their own messages and have a huge volume, that can happen. A question I asked a while back that still applies here is: Is the problem with assistants responding at all or assistants pretending to be the model? Like if an assistant responds and says they're an assistant, is that still a problem? Should they prioritize paid customers when responding?
This is kind of a conundrum, isn't it? OF addresses this issue, if only partway, by implying that performers will respond more quickly to the messages accompanied by the biggest tips. (Almost did a typo there.) If a performer has thousands of messages in a given week, and she responds to as many as she can with a sentence with a drop or two of innuendo, then conceivably we consumers could start complaining that she's saying to us the same thing she says to hundreds of others in a given week. Which would be correct, but given the circumstances, unavoidable.
The problem I felt right away was the deep suspicion I wasn't chatting with the model. A paid human assistant can only say so much before giving away his/her role. ("Right back at you, babe," is probably the limit.) And if the assistant does give his/her role away, even openly and honestly, that goes against the entire ambiance the platform is going for. Who wants to have a chat with the performer's entire staff? So much for intimacy.
If there's a solution here, maybe it involves the platform itself. In its current format as an open chat window, OF implies a level of service that a popular performer can't possibly provide without cloning herself. So suppose a performer had an option to present her subscribers with a straight, one-shot message (like the one I'm typing in now), accompanied by a tip. It wouldn't imply the performer could respond in the same window, and there wouldn't be a deathly silence when she doesn't. Then if she wants to do a direct chat with the subscriber, she could set up an appointment with that person, and she could initiate the chat window and be the host. She would be in control of her own time and her own clientele.
Unless this is already possible and I just haven't seen it? But maybe something like this wouldn't give the subscriber the implication of a service level it just isn't reasonable for him to receive.
I paid $5 tip to DM a popular creator a question, which was ignored when her assistants answered, who then told me to pay $200 to have unlimited DM access. It was such a huge slap in the face. $200 to talk to her assistants. You must be joking
Onlyfans does suck but I'm not sure if its killing porn. I still prefer traditional studio sites over OF. Manyvids to me is superior because I probably don't want to subscribe monthly just to get at one video.
I would suggest if you want to have an authentic relationship with an OF girl, find a brand new girl who started OF. They will be much more accommodating and responsive. And if they blow up enough to be able to pay their assistants to chat to their army of fans you will prob still be able to chat to her once in a while, unless maybe she gets too many other fans that will out tribute you LOL.
I never did that before besides asking for some custom clips from a couple brand new models. Outside of getting a custom clip made I really don't see the appeal of OF. I'm more of a fan of the type of content a studio makes, or the directors vision than the models themselves. If I notice a model consistently making content I like, thats the closest I get to becoming any kind of loyal fan.
But if you are shelling out money just to chat to some assistant or build some kind of relationship along with a couple hundred other dudes doing the same thing, good luck. lmao
no doubt dredd gets it. well shot, well lit, variety of girls. you def get the most bang for your buck. the girls all look great. two thumbs up for his OF. he definitely isn't trying to drain peoples accounts like others I have tried. if more OF people did it like he did, it wouldn't be as bad.
If everyone did it as Dredd does, OF would be surplus to requirements because that business approach was already well served through either performers' personal subscription websites or their personal clip store fronts. It's the chancers and scammers that have made OF big, decent people like Dredd are only on there because it's too big to ignore. He would do fine anywhere else, too.
Thank you. Yes.....I refuse to let someone answer messages for me. I never harass my fans to buy and answer all their questions. I hate that girls don't let their fans know when it is not really them.
OF is dead for me. I subbed to a few women and even wrote comments to their pictures. Which was not liked in one case. So why does it say comment and when you do its wrong too ? Maybe i dont get OF and their "logic" When i wanted to get a video and disagreed about the price i was banned for life. I cant even write her anymore. Wow great ... NOT. Another woman i supported didnt have any updates for months. So why should i support a girl which does not update her of for Months ? I wouldnt even want new stuff every week or so but no new stuff in more than 8 months ? Good bye then
I completely agree, I've had back and forths with a girl where I've specifically requested the same scene multiple times, and each time I get a holding statement like "Let me find that for you darling" or "I'll share that, no problem, but will you buy this scene whilst I'm looking?" and they never follow through with the scenes I've requested!
what's the point of subscribing if you can't even get access to the content they claim is available?
Thats bc you're more than likely talking to someone from the agency hired to manage her account. So when you ask for a custom the canned response is "let me find out more" or "why not buy this while i think about it" - they have to take that request to the chick and see if she agrees - and their job is to keep you buying content while you wait for the answer. It's one of the biggest reasons OF is shit, the interactions are not authentic!
The problem with applying the "support the artists" model to Adult is that in most other fields, the producer and consumers of said content have the same ultimate goal in mind. In adult that isn't necesarily the case, the producer is quite often soley financially motivated( which can lead to higher prices and a drop in quality.) As well as a lack of emotional connection that makes the whole "passion project" vibe, work. It makes sense that projects which do not make a profit will be funded by voluntary donations not ones that do. Fans and Producers need to at least seem on the same side otherwise fans may not donate (why bother if it isn't a passion project where there is a lack of profit therefore it needs donations to see the project come to life.)
This has to be my favorite quote I saw on a star's OF
"Heyyy so Ive decided to give back a huge chance before the year ends! I'm going to be running a raffle to win a huge custom or skype call from me starting today and it's going to be ending on January 2nd! It's $200 to enter and every one who enters gets something. You can also buy multiple tickets to increase your chances of winning !! 🥰 I hope you enjoy and good luck to every one that enters! I will be messaging the winner on the 2nd to give them their reward"
I think my latest gripe with the platform now is the amount of performers/pages where they're charging anywhere from $25 to $40 or more, with a "NO PPV" name, the bio description says "This is my paid exclusive content page, with no PPV at all!" but if you subscribe, you get access to like 10-20 5 or 6 minute "scenes" and a ton of messages/DMs offering an exclusive video for $30
either it's no PPV, or it is PPV. charging a high subscription price with no way to view the content prior to signing up, only to get such a ridiculous offer and constant bombardment of DMs offering PPV content is a joke!
I'm very picky on Onlyfans, I go for the No PPV because I can get all the scenes without paying extra cause you know they'll charge extra for scenes. Most performers will charge like $50 to even $80 buck for a scene on there Onlyfans. I rather buy my stuff on Manyvid because I can get individual scenes for good price then Onlyfans
Im revisiting this thread with the same mindset. OF can be a slippery slope bc you have to find the right content creator and it will be worth it. That content creator might not be your "original fav". There are favs of mine that I cant join their OF bc they are too expensive or dont shoot as much content that I like or they have just an overall poorly ran account. Maybe their service team is just awful. But then Ill have a fav of mine that have a good if not great OF and I love it. Ill also find content creators that have amazing OF that they become a fav of mine. So it just depends.
Just like with alot of stuff it takes trial and error. Some if not alot of the content creators are learning on the fly how to manage their OF just like we are learning on the fly being subs and navigate through OF without feeling like we are wasting time and money. So yes its good to be critical but also help alot of these content creators out. Support them, give them some advice on how they can make their OF better and then enjoy.
Pornstars are generally decent looking, but in my opinion, very few are even a 8/10 so to speak. I personally find many instagram "models" or "influencers" to be way more attractive than even many of the best looking mainstream pornstars. And while bikini pics in Dubai and squats in Gymshark leggings are great, its also nice to see some nudity or sexual penetration too, hence why most of us are here. OnlyFans is the best place to find some of those super attractive and fit women doing those things.
I like the concept of the site. More money for the creators, which is fair. I only hope the production values rise. Porn filmed with phones is just lazy.
I completely changed my mind about Onlyfans over the past couple of years. The collaborations some of these pornstars/influencers do are much better than any porn being produced right now. It feels way more intimate. Everyone doing their own thing having a good time. It has that homemade feel to it you can't get anywhere else. The production quality has also gone way up. All the big names like Sins/Keiran/Manuel film with multiple angles, good lighting, good editing etc. The big downside of course is the money...
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