Why do people keep arguing against racism in porn? It exists. Girls are told doing IR will hinder their career. Girls are either racist themselves or come from racist families. Stormy Daniels and Roxy Deville are two top performers I can think of who had the guts to confess that they didn't and will never fuck black guys on camera because their families would disown them. I don't buy the "attraction" argument. Have you looked at some of the white men these girls have fucked for money?? It's laughable.
For every Alexis Texas there's a Kelly Divine, Flower Tucci For every Carmella Bing there's a Velicity Von, Claire Dames For Every Stoya there's a Sasha Grey, Jenna Haze so again i ask. What the fuck is the point in focusing on girls that don't do IR, when there are comparable girls that do. ----Dread----
i do not see IR fans being truly upset about racism. they are just upset that certain performers will not fulfill their fetish as i have pointed out, so called "IR" porn is full of racism. it fetishizes stereotypes. so much of it portrays black men in the worst way possible. "menacing black guys fresh from da joint" that is an actual quote from the DVD cover of an IR series. there was another series, the original title was "My daughter is fucking a nigger." then there is Spring Thomas going on little rants about how "niggers" can't do anything but fuck if you IR fans are so concerned about racism why don't you address any of that blatant racism? why don't you address the fact that your term "IR" only concerns black men with white women?
i see you fail to address anything in my actual post. you can refuse to see it all you want. the evidence is obvious. IR porn fetishizes stereotypes "Big Black Beast" "Niggers in the hood up to no good" these are actual quotes from IR porn box covers. care to answer WHY the term IR only refers to the black man-white woman combination? why don't you start a thread about that big boobs, big butts, gangbangs - yep those are all fetishes. so is "IR" porn. get over yourself. you are not on a racial crusade, you are just on a crusade for a fetish
Why don't they disown them for doing porn in the first place? Which is worse: your daughter doing porn or fucking a black man? I don't have anything against porn or pornstars but let's be serious for a second. Edited by - Nimrod on 10/3/2009 4:41:42 PM
[/quote] Holy Shit! 16! That's the highest I think they ever had. 16 out of what though? I am too lazy to look. [/quote] They have 112 female models as of 3 October 2009 at 7:30 pm est.
Apparently fucking a black man is much much worse. Deville explained it something along the lines of: her family could work to accept she's a whore (her word, not mine), but a whore who fucked black men? Ehhh - no go.
A lot of people consider having sex with minorities to be the same as screwing a dog/cat/horse/pig/former President Richard Nixon. Me not included, obviously. I think people should choose for themselves whether they have IR sex on screen. Others don't, including some in my own family. I know one guy that thinks men can screw whoever they want but a woman doing IR is trash and a race traitor (go figure). I have brought up this discussion socially since this thread started and have been surprised by the resulting opinions!
There may indeed be a lot of it being made, but it's hardly what I'd call diverse. You basically have a few handfuls of black performers & select companies who produce it. Stuff produced by the likes of Lex, Justin Slayer, Evil Angel, Elegant Angel, West Coast Productions, and Evasive Angel. There are many others produced by other black performers and other companies too that I also like. Thing is, is that I don't like just 2-3 styles or genres of porn. I basically like most anything that can be produced. What's offered may be enough for most fans, but it certainly isn't enough for me. I actually love feature porn, reality porn, and even some select fetish type films. It's kind of rare when I run across an interracial scene in those kinds of films, let alone anyone black in them. I just don't feel that I should have to always get an IR specific film to always see any type of IR action. Why can't an IR scene be included in a little or lot of everything?
With Walter Payton, a then-flourishing Jim McMahon, Mike Singletary, Richard Dent, Dan Hampton, and the "Fridge" actually worth something...I don't know, man. They killed the Pats in the Super Bowl pretty badly... I know, I know:
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Posted - Oct 4 2009 : 2:26AM
^ Not totally off topic. See the original poster's screen name.
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Posted - Oct 4 2009 : 2:26AM
I'm getting off topic here. As I remember the NFL didn't suck at all, the Bears had the best defense in the league, hell they had the best defense in the NFL history according to ESPN and Sports Illustrated. Now, I would say that Jim Mcmahon was a bit overrated as a quaterback. But damn, I don't think we'll ever see a defense like that again, in a looooooooong time. This year of 2009, I do see them going to the Superbowl. We'll they win it, I don't know. Now back to Topic. lol
^Dean Wormer does make a good point, though. As good as the Bears' defense was--and as good as Payton was (don't forget him)-- No one else in the league had more than 12 wins that season--and the two teams that had 12 were in the AFC...and neither of those even went to the Super Bowl. I'm beginning to think that it was a combination of good team and bad every-other-team, now. Just to keep this on topic: If a porn star were to say: "It will hurt my career if I say that the Chicago Bears of 1985 just got lucky." What do you think the ramifications of that would be? Would it be correct and truthful? There...now the conversation can continue. Too bad the original thread title wasn't more specific as to content.
I'd like to thank Hollywood Woody for clearing this up about Jenna, since while she was in porn she would go on radio shows like the Wendy Williams program and deny not wanting to do black guys on camera. If you're right, that means Jenna lied to that program's audience. Just as I always suspected. However, why would someone lie about this matter if she/he weren't racist? And, since you are associated with Club Jenna, can you disclose the offical reason why she would not do black guys on camera?
So women don't count. You are racist if you don't sleep with black men? What do you class black women as then? Would a racist sleep with someone who was espanic. I think the bigger race issue in porn is how different the black female performers are treated in porn. It seems to be everyone is more worried about which white female performer won't sleep with a black guy. The black females performers are invisible.
im sure all of these retentive posts are inspiring white females to do scenes with black men
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Posted - Oct 4 2009 : 2:49PM
All these freakingly stupid and pathetic IR discussions are low class comedy at its best, and half of the people posting here don't even take this shit serious any longer and talk football...ha ha ha ha ha...this is a circus of freaks, I like that! Just keep it goin...oh, and I think it's time to start another IR thread, so please...
The NFL sucks every year. The only option teams have are to play those on their schedule. And in '85, the Bears destroyed their opponents, including shutouts in both their playoff games on their way to a combined 91-10 postseason score.
I guess Deville and Stormy's families think that society has way more respect for their daughters than Heidi Klum and the Kardashians because they've done black men. What part of this country do this people live in? I'm sure if you ask those girls, they will tell you that it doesn't make their families racist. They will probably tell you about the "black" guy who shows up for Thanksgiving dinner every year.
^ Actually Roxy that she was embarrassed to have to tell people that her family is the way they are. She made no excuses for their behaviour. She expressed regret about it and even explained how it worked against her own happiness - but at the same time, it probably wasn't worth losing her family over it. Don't say "I'm sure" unless you actually are sure.
^I can say I wouldn't sacrifice my happiness and morals for a bunch of people who are racist and bigots(not saying her family is or not because I don't know them. But the shoe does seem to fit ). Even if they were family. Just because they are family doesn't mean you have to abolish your own beliefs to appease them. If they don't care about your happiness, maybe they weren't really family to begin with. *****The Dr. of Nasty***** Edited by - Dr. Nasty on 10/4/2009 9:20:13 PM Edited by - Dr. Nasty on 10/4/2009 9:22:03 PM
Hey, Whoa! We have to give credit where credit is due. The "IR" Justice League did change the mind of one girl on here so far. Heidi Hanson has changed her mind because of the other thread and has started to do "IR" again. Some good has come of all this. *****The Dr. of Nasty*****
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Posted - Oct 4 2009 : 10:18PM
You should get some kind of award for this Dean. There for a couple of minutes you actually were able to post something that enabled a reasonable debate in an IR thread. Bravo.
@DrNasty: I don't think it's ever so easy as that. Everyone's family has faults, and while being racist is a very big fault, that doesn't mean that they're worthless. It doesn't mean they don't love you, and it also won't mean that you don't love them. There's a lifetime worth of bonding that has gone on there, and even if you do choose to turn your back on your family, it would likely be done with a very heavy heart.
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Posted - Oct 5 2009 : 1:17AM
Im not buying that it is once again the females in porn really. Like porn females who have came on here or on interviews, or on blogs like valerie luxe, it is mainly some of these white men who tell the girls not to do IR and manipulate them, only thing I say alot of these girls who make foolish excuses for not doing IR is they are not too bright. Because how is it that other pornstars can come out and say whats real and decline companies and agencies request to not do IR, esp. early in their careers and others dont. Cocain is a hell of a drug and so is money. As long as their are people that are stupid enough to do anything for money whiteguys in porn are going always get their way with the stupid people of the industry. And I thought lavish styles did do black guys? Do I got the wrong girl. If she didnt that just goes to show who runs the show, because there havent been any white female who only did black men in porn sicne jean afrique. Edited by - supa_dupa09 on 10/5/2009 1:18:29 AM
Very true words KB. I think it is definitely a heavy decision and is different for each individual. This is especially so for women. I personally just view things for what they are though instead of what they should be or how I would want or like them to be. Which is why that type of decision would be easy for me. *****The Dr. of Nasty*****
Khloe married Lamar Odom a week ago. If doing black guys really hurt porn stars' careers, wouldn't that be worse in Hollywood? The Kardashians are big right now even though 2 of them mainly date black men...why is America still watching them then? Heidi Klum married a black guy but it didn't hurt her career. If that didn't hurt those people, how is that suppoed to hurt someone what fucks on camera for billions of people to see.
I don't think that Roxy should lose her family over this but it's good that she doesn't share their beliefs and isn't proud of it. Stormy on the hand, who claims to be half native american is another story.
They are only "invisible" in this discussion because I don't know of any who have stated they will not work with white men for reasons unrelated to attractiveness. Trust me, being invisible on a BAD list is a GOOD thing!! Some white racists make a distinction between black men and black women. Case in point: Jon Lester, a white teenage hoodlum who led race riots in Howard Beach, New York in the 1980s. He said he was not a racist because he had a black girlfriend (which, in fact, he did).
I say to each their own and whatever their reason for it is their own business as is whether they choose to disclose those reasons. They have the right to work with whomever they wish, albeit their contracts might specify partners. We the consumer have the right to buy or not buy their products. I personally don't care why a performer will work with someone and why they won't someone else. Are they racist? I don't know. Do they have other reasons? I don't know. All I know is that in this day and age, there is a porn movie for almost every taste. If I loved IR porn I'd purchase the films of performers who do it, and not worry about why others don't. It seems this IR stuff is taking over the board these days. I say if you like it, buy it, if you don't look elsewhere. This horse was dead a long time ago it seems, continuing to beat it will not make those performers who choose not to do IR "see the light" and start doing so. Also, the fact that Stormy Daniels claims to be part Native American and does not do interracial being another story is ridiculous. It is her prerogative to decide who she works with and to disclose why she does or does not work with anyone, just like it was for Roxy to do the same. If a performer does things you do not like or holds views you find offensive stay away from their product..judge them with your $. Edited by - chest rockwell on 10/5/2009 10:29:20 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Oct 6 2009 : 3:03AM
Depends on what IR you watch. Most of the low-end stuff is like you describe, but then most low-end stuff of any subgenre tends to be that way. I haven't noticed any of what you mention in the videos by L.T., Juan Cuba, Alexander Devoe, JJ, etc.
Wasn't aware of that. Last time I saw her with a man he was white. Don't even know who that Lamar is, BTW. It is amazing that these cats can be famous without working a day in their lives just because daddy was a lawyer for the infamous OJ Simpson!
Unless Stormy bleaches her hair and then dyes it natural blonde I doubt she is Native American (or First Nations for the Canadians reading). Native Americans have black hair by nature, a few may have red hair (or grey later in life) -- but not blonde! I am part Native American myself, so I should know.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Oct 6 2009 : 12:47PM
I'm only a fan of porn, neither a scholar of it, nor someone with a connection to the industry. But I have been looking at the stuff for 50 years or so, and since the time when hardcore was de-criminalized, it has seemed pretty much color-blind. Aside from the stereotype that black men all have huge dicks, I cannot offhand think of a single racism in any porn that I've seen. The accusation of racial bias in porn just seems like a non-starter to me. If the OP could cite a single specific instance of bias, I would be interested to hear it -- surprised -- but interested. On the contrary, it seems that there is such a thing as 'segregated porn' in which only African Americans appear. That, of course, is fine, but it would be just as pointless to complain about such products being racist as it is to fret over some girls, white or black, who may not wish to do IR, whatever their reasons.
When a porn star refuses to have sex with all white men it will be a racially based decision. She is racist. There are no other conclusion to be drawn. Were she to reject select white men she is well within her rights, and there would be nothing to talk about. No. The statement isn't racist. From reading this and other IR treads it an observation based in fact. I probably should have worded it better. I remember now that when this phrase was popular there were people who found it offensive. I don't think not understanding the issue is a conscious choice or has anything malicious attached. The people who opposed school desegregation many years ago weren't evil either. They too didn't understands what all the fuss was about. There was all those perfectly good schools on "Their" side of town. On the other hand when the people on the other side of the issue were asked they knew just why they were willing to risk life and limb to see it done. I'm not saying that the two issues mentioned are of equal importance, but how the industry and fans address Ir porn has larger real world ramifications.
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Posted - Oct 6 2009 : 2:35PM
I agree with you completely, the issue should be these titles, not who girls will not work with. These offensive titles are more disgusting than anything else. How can this be ok?
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Oct 7 2009 : 8:56AM
Christopher256 wrote: What a bunch of rambling bullshit. People who like interracial porn are no more fetishists than people who like big boobs, big butts, gangbangs or whatever. _____________________________________________ Semantically speaking, a fetish is a usually sexual obsession with an object or part of the body, so that, in fact, boobs, butts, feet hair, etc. are all fetishes. Obsession with particular actions, such as anal sex, gangbangs, spanking, B & D, etc., including IR (as an obsession, not as a coincidence, in which someone is attracted to another who happens to be of another race), are what psychology refers to as "paraphilia" (literally, "aside loving"). Although both terms are medically synonymous with sexual deviation, many fetishes and paraphilias are harmless and so common as to be part of a perfectly normal sex life.
HI, off subject but they CAN have blonde hair, well, maybe if they are not full Native American. I am half Native American and half Swedish. I was born with red skin and black straight hair (no joke) which then turned red by the time I was 2 (that was cute, wish it would have stuck) and then white blonde by 5. Been blonde ever since. Every so many hairs on my head though, is a pure black strand!! It drives my hairdresser nuts, he's so confused by it! totally funny. But yes, we can be blonde, sometimes! "Unless Stormy bleaches her hair and then dyes it natural blonde I doubt she is Native American (or First Nations for the Canadians reading). Native Americans have black hair by nature, a few may have red hair (or grey later in life) -- but not blonde! I am part Native American myself, so I should know."
Utter nonsense! Your comparing or contrasting IR sex with sexual acts like spanking and gangbangs? See this is the kind of stuff that always ticks me off. Edited by - aplus on 10/7/2009 3:04:34 PM
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Oct 7 2009 : 4:07PM
It can tick you off all you like. My categorizations are a rough paraphrase of standard psychological definitions used in clinical diagnoses, as appearing in "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual" of the APA. Don't forget that these conditions become "deviations" only to the degree to which they become disruptive to normal life activities, harmful to others or repugnant in some way to the actual person who has them. Whatever it is, if it's done freely among consenting adults, it's not sick, just fun. And BTW, please do not bother to construe the inclusion of IR as paraphilia to be a form of racism. I referred specifically to the obsession with IR as a paraphilia, not all interracial sex. Obsession with non-interracial sex is potentially as much of a paraphilia. Edited by - duefuss on 10/7/2009 4:13:25 PM
Posted - Oct 3 2009 : 11:59AM
). Even if they were family. Just because they are family doesn't mean you have to abolish your own beliefs to appease them. If they don't care about your happiness, maybe they weren't really family to begin with.