I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06
Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 7:48PM
What's the difference between saying people from small towns have small minds and saying people with dark skin have small minds? They are both generalizations that are completely full of shit.
Yes, I dislike replies marred by poor spelling and grammar. (Reading some of major sharp's posts is almost painful). Perhaps instead of your preceding snarky remark, you should continue to improve. For example: Some things are worse than others.
Reading my posting and others you dislike should only reinforce that you are the superior being you have always believed yourself to be. If you could exist in that rarefied air quietly and resist imposing on lesser beings by posting corrections your attitude would be better tolerated, maybe even admired by those who know the sacrifice you are making. In closing: Some things are worse than others Edited by - ntfighter on 10/21/2009 2:11:46 PM
Duly noted. Perhaps if you could resist imposing on lesser beings by posting the over-generalization (i.e. "People from small towns have small minds") indicated by TUP, your attitude would be better tolerated, maybe even admired by those who know the sacrifice you are making.
I too agree that the category of IR is racist - completely, totally 100%. So while you're writing your online rants, do think for a second that if you are pouring all your money into purchasing only IR titles, that you are in effect supporting racism in pornography. You dislike the girls who won't play in your game, but shouldn't the game itself be cancelled? Just a question for you IR guys.
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CHI - BEAR 85 Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 23 2009 : 6:38AM
You mean like they do in Europe where IR titles doesn't exist, because most white female stars have no problem fucking black males? Where in this country it always seems a problem.
In regards to whether or not it hurts their career, how can any of us presume to know a definitive answer? Sure you can point to stars like Jenna Haze, Gianna Michaels, etc; but one could also theorize that they succeeded in spite of doing IR and that a less fortunate performer could harm their careers by making the same choice. After all there are just as many(probably more) successful stars (Jesse Jane, Jenna Jameson, etc) who have never done it. In fact, if a girl measures success in terms of getting a contract then the numbers suggest they should not do IR as most contract girls either: 1.never do IR 2.only do IR after they have gotten a contract or 3. only do IR when their contract is over. I personally don't presume to know what choice is "better" for each girl's success but I certainly won't judge a girl for not wanting to take what they perceive to be a risk. After all this is their livelihood and they pay the consequences if they make the wrong choice.
Jenna Jameson comes from a time when big tits and blondes was the thing. She didnt HAVE to do it. They dont have to do it now as well, but thats not the point. If she were a popular figure in porn today, she would get flack like others do now for it.
When i think of the "small town" comment I don't necessarily think that it means small or close minded. Sometimes it has to do with exposure more than anything. Not trying to over simplify it. A girl might not have ever been exposed to black people outside of pop culture. In certain parts of America, I'm pretty sure that scenario happens. Sure, they might seen one in line at a McDonalds one time. But I'm talking about getting to know one. Through school,work,sports etc etc. Then when she hits the biz and they tell her she not do to IR or that she doesnt have to IR, shs isnt going to give it a second thought on not doing it. My best friend of 20 yrs(I'm 26)just told me the other day that when we first starting playing together his family didn't know how to "take" me. I would say his family would be considered rednecks. They never showed me anything but kindness but they had never really been exposed to black people. He also said through me and my family, we changed his parents and aunts/uncle's opinion on black people. I'm sure they probably kept some feelings but they loved me for what it's worth. Our next door neighbors at that time said the same thing. My mother has similar experiences when came to being people children's first black teacher. Those types of situations didn't happen often to me but they did happen. What I'm trying to say is that, being from a small town and not really being exposed to black people isn't really a major factor on a girl decision to do IR or not. It definitely in the mix though. Doesn't really have anything to do with being closeminded. That's my whole take on the "small town" comment. Dammit, I said I wasn't going to post in any of these other IR threads. Oh well.
I don't believe too much in the exposure thing. Unlike in the US, Canada, Australia or Western Europe, there isn't many blacks in Eastern Europe. Even though most people in Eastern Europe haven't been exposed to blacks, most girls from that area do IR.
Who cares if these White female porn stars don't want to perform with black men. I am black , and I don't even watch white female porn stars. I watch only Black female porn stars, who do perform only with Black male porn stars!. Black porn sells more than white porn any way, and looks more interesting if you ask me. I sure that there are Black male porn performers that wont do White female porn stars.!Who gives a shit about those flat ass white girls that don't want to perform with black men. Black porn sells a lot faster than white porn. I don't buy white porn!!$$
Who cares, there are blacks that don't want to see interracial porn anyway. Its not just White females, that don't believe in interracial porn. There are many blacks that don't want to see White men having sex with black women.
If you don't know any names then how can you say there are girls out there who do? You're just guessing not based on any facts.
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CHI - BEAR 85 Deactivated User
225 Posts 9/08
Posted - Oct 25 2009 : 2:11PM
Hypnatist, I agree with Ramsey. 100% of black women fuck white men in the porn business. I can't find one that refuse to fuck a white guy in porn. If they do, their career will be cut very short, because the adult film business is run by mostly white men. And if there's one that refuse to fuck a white guy in porn, chances are it wasn't by choice. It's just they weren't call on it yet or never will, because they don't have a certain body type or look. Look at most of the adult model agencies websites, every black women are willing to do interracial compare to the white women who won't.
I don't think that just because whites dominate in terms of volume in the Adult porn industry, that Black female porn stars are willing to do anything, to get roles, that false. There is a black porn industry run and managed by blacks, with out any white input.
You are right Ramsey. There has never been a top black porn star who has ever refused to work with white men...never. The ones who don't work with white guys just don't get booked for it.
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supa_dupa09 Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 1:34AM
Flame Kim Treats Cali Davenport Christina Copafeel Vanilla Red Darlene(latina) Luana(latina) I mentioned these girls before, but obviously not many listened, but these black and latinas havent done any white men along with some more I cant think of right now. It may not be even in numbers but in quality it is, because those are some bad ass performers, especially vanilla red, she lookin like the new FLAME. Like I said the only place where it is not even in porn I think is there are no white female performer doing only black guys, like there are black performers like Lavish styles doing only white guys. But obviously only way that is going to happen is if black men in porn make it happen themselves like they made it happen with Black & IR ONLY porn companies like BlackIce, BlackMarketxxx, CandyShop, ect. Like they made it happen in pro-am porn with www.candymonroe.com they can make it happen in pro porn where we get a couple of white female pornstars doing only black men. If I was any of ya'll that is what I would be focus one when it comes to racism in porn, lets try hollering at the black men in porn to make a hot & sexy pro white female pornstar black men only. IT CAN HAPPEN! Its just a matter of blacks in porn going for it. Edited by - supa_dupa09 on 10/26/2009 1:36:15 AM
You guys are making a big mistake comparing european porn stars to american pornstars. The European girls, especially eastern europeans, are very poor and are willing to do anything on camera including gay dudes, trannies . American girls on the other hand are usually better off financially and have more class, so they are very selective in what they do and who they work with. If European girls were given the same opportunities, they would do IR at the same rate as American girls. Some of those girls just want to come to America. They need the money really bad but american girls don't need that bad. Racism has nothing to do with girls refusing to work with black men. It's just personal preference.
“Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09
Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 9:50AM
I agree with some of your observations, but I adamantly disagree that Eastern European girls have less class than American's. As you pointed out, there are huge societal/cultural differences, so I find 'having more class' is irrelevant.
The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05
Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 1:26PM
Why is it such a huge deal anyhow? Never could figure this out after all these years of IR porn. It isn't a big deal as it used to be. It is mainstream now to have black girls fuckin white guys, and white girls fuckin black guys.
I don't think it is that mainstream miss. There are still many people that wont buy interracial porn. They just don't find it entertaining to see people of different races having sex. I don't buy porn where white guys are having sex with black females. Or the ones with black guys having sex with white females. Just doesn't turn me on. Give me black on black porn, thats were the real action is.! Edited by - hypnatist on 10/26/2009 1:51:50 PM
I don't know much about European porn, but there is a quote of Julian St. Jox where he talked about how he enjoyed working in Europe because 98 out of 100 girls would work with him whereas in the States only 3 out of 10 would. Julian St. Jox on Racism
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 2:06PM
I doubt European girls, outside of those from Easter Europe, have a more poor background than American girls. One reason would be the existence of a functioning welfare state in most European countries. From what I've read it seems most American women performers often come from lower-class backgrounds, that is why imo they are more likely to not want to do IR or say hateful things about homosexuals or trannies. They are what would be considered 'white trash' in North America.
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tritone Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 3:02PM
Yeah. Forget giving that black guy a blowjob or handjob. I've got to remain respectable. Therefore, I'll just have men piss on me or have my head dunked in a toilet. Or I'll eat the cum out of some other girl's ass. Or maybe I'll let 5 guys unload in MY ass, push out the cum into a shot glass and eat that! Very selective. VERY CLASSY. And every one of those acts has been done by a distinguished and classy American girl who refused to do even the most sterile kind of scene with a black dude.
This is exactly my point also. These white female porn stars will sleep with German sheapard Dogs, with all kinds of rabies diseases, have men tie them up and put all kinds of gags in their mouths, let men pis on them, beat them, ram them in their anus, but they don't want to sleep with Black male porn stars.!!. I guess many of the White female porn stars have got mental issues also in addition to their racial hang ups.Don't get me wrong, I would not sleep with a white female porn star either!,so I respect their right to be selective,but with all the other shit that they allow, it seems very strange when they state their preferences.
Sex with black men is still a big taboo. I'm not from the South but I can guarentee you that most guys I know will lose respect for a woman if she sleeps with a black man, even if she is a pornstar or a prostitute. It isn't necessarily racism but it has more to do with the way we are raised. Slavery has something to do with it and let's not forget that segregation is only 40 + years ago. Just like nobody wants his son to tell him he is gay, nobody wants to hear that his daughter is dating a black man. If someone tells you that he will be ok with his sister or daughter dating a black guy,there is a 99 % chance he is lying. I'm not racist and has gone to school with blacks but I don't know how I will react if my sister brings home a black guy. I'm just being honest. By the way I grew up in York ,PA. Edited by - Blicky25 on 10/26/2009 6:00:35 PM
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tritone Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 6:06PM
I agree with everything you have said, especially the fact that segregation is STILL fresh in our minds. But if you were raised to believe black people are less human, less respectable than other races, then that is RACIST. I'm sorry, but there is no other way to reconcile this. Having casual or even friendly contact with blacks does not clear one of racist thoughts or beliefs. If your sister brought home a black guy, it is natural to think on it a bit because it may not be what you are used to. I understand this. But get to know the person, not his skin color.
I was just being honest in my answer and any honest white guy will tell you the same. It's not a south or north issue. It's not a left wing or right wing issue even though people unfairly blame it all on conservatives. Edited by - Blicky25 on 10/26/2009 9:20:00 PM
It also has a lot to do with the internet being much less of a presence in Eastern European countries than in the U.S., and the websites the girls are featured on are usually blocked from view in their home countries (though that doesn't stop the access through proxy servers, affiliate sites, or piracy sites, to which I'm sure the producers are banking on the girls not realizing this for a good lengthy time).
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tritone Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 26 2009 : 11:00PM
You're right. Racists can come from any political persuasion.
I gotta white men way more credit than that. 99% wont like there daughter/sister/mother dating a black man is bullshit. Dont mistake yourself and the people around as speaking for all white males. Hell, I still hangout with my ex's Father and Brother.
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CHI - BEAR 85 Deactivated User
225 Posts 9/08
Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 12:13AM
Maybe in your community white men might feel that way. I've date white women in the past and none of their fathers, brothers and male friends have any problems. I sat at their dinner tables, picnics and etc, never heard or saw anything that indicates they didn't like it. Unless they are very good actors and deserve a Oscar award.
I've dated white girls whose parents treated me well but the girls will tell me that their parents had issues with me because I was black. I got married very young and my mother- in -law didn't approve of the marriage. At the time I was may more educated than she was and making way more money. My ex mother-in-law has never done anything in my presence but I was hearing all kind of things in my back...so you can't just assume they are cool with you because they smile in your face. What do you really expect? Do you think they will call you the N word in your face and tell black jokes when they have you for dinner?
Tritone you hit the nail on the head!...It's also funny when they say that their family would disown them if they did scenes with black men...Oh, they haven't disowned you for doing porn in the first place?..SMH
I don't hate white people, I just hate the system that they perpetuate, at the expense of blacks. I think blacks should develop black porn. It seems to out sell a lot of other media products sold in the black community.
The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05
Posted - Oct 27 2009 : 6:38PM
See me being a white male, I find the IR porn with black women and white men to be a turn on. But that is also because I date black women. I don't watch black on black porn and I don't watch black men with white women. I will watch al ALL Black Girl movie no problem. Mind you up here in Canada, interracial dating is the norm here. I see black women dating white men, asian women dating black men, asian men dating white women, black men dating white women, white men dating asian women. Here in Toronto we are quite diverse in our population. When I attend the AVN AEE I look for the black girls forst to meet, then I'll meet whomever after that. In the USA from my experience visiting there, it is more regional. In Alabama you won't see many black women with white men, but in Buffalo you will, or Chicago you will. So it is alot different stateside than in Canada that I know of. Now I know some guys in Canada will say otherwise, but I am only going from my observation. I work and live downtown Toronto so I see tons of people as opposed to living and working in the suburbs.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Oct 28 2009 : 2:39AM
What's your point?
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Young Herschel Deactivated User
404 Posts 10/09
Posted - Oct 29 2009 : 5:35PM
If an actress signs a contract to do a blowbang/swallow session of 5 guys at $5,000; one would hope that in the spirit of professionalism that she would not neglect the one black guy (Tyler Knight/Brian Pumper) in the bunch just because the was a last minute substitution and Erik Everhard/Nick Manning couldn't make it. What would a professional do? Hannah?
Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 7:48PM
