Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Oct 8 2009 : 8:24AM
It was not an analogy, nor an interpretation. The post was a paraphrase of a clinical definition. If you dislike having an obsession with IR in the same room with other obsessions that you regard as perversions, take it up with the American Psychological Association (APA). Look at the DSM sometime. It is fascinating if chilling reading, a kind of dictionary of mental illness. You will notice, as I have pointed out, that most of what is described there are perfectly normal human behaviors, but they are practiced to an abnormal extent. For example, depression is something everyone feels at times. Problems depress us. The weather puts us in a bad mood: Nothing abnormal about it. But when depression is ALL one feels -- when it gets so bad one can't get out of bed or wants to die, that's abnormal. That's a mental disease. Paraphilias and fetishes are no different. Maybe it adds to her sexual allure to see your GF with a pair of wispy panties on. That doesn't make you a fetishist. but if the GF HAS to wear panties for you to get off, there might be a problem, and if you get off on the panties without the girlfriend, congratulations, you're a card carrying fetishist. No sexual behavior that does not harm others and is done by consent with mutual enjoyment is an aberration. At most, it is an addition of interest and excitement to the sexual act that can otherwise get pretty stale after awhile without some kind of variety.
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supa_dupa09 Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 8 2009 : 4:53PM
http://www.priyaraiblog.com/2009/10/05/priya-rai-goes-black/comment-page-1/#comment-763 Priya is doing an IR scene with a black man finally, but it will only be on her site, now Im sure before this she would of been known to only dodge black men or some kind of racist, ect. But this just goes to show where the real racism lies and its where I and other pornstars have been trying to tell people, but some people dont like to listen it is within these agencies and studios, now this girl's first interracial with a black man was shot by her site which means no one hired her for IR with a black man, so her and her team went off and did it themselves, because it is only available on her site. I hope(which probably wont happen, some for good reasons, some for bad reasons.) That people isnt always these females in the business, alot of times, and I DO MEAN ALOT of times it be these studios, productions and agencies who book all of the scenes, do anybody remember katie kox was all over her blog and switched agencies even because they werent giving her alot of IR which is what she wanted, and I saw somewhere somebody put her on as a dodger on the julesjordanvideo.com forum The girl wasnt dodging her site is all interracial. I think its time if anyone want to say and point the finger to racism its time to point them where it is obviously by word of some female pornstar's mouth which is these agencies and studios. I for one am not going to be doing that alot, because like I have said before there are blacks and latinas in the business that is not doing whiteguys and I dont see these girls finally doing a black guy that big of news or not doing black guys that big of problem. But if we gonna speak on racism ya'll, come on lets put it where it is really at.
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supa_dupa09 Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 8 2009 : 4:54PM
This is repost of what I said in the priya one that got locked, I was told it would been more suitable to put it here or in a priya posting, and like I told killbill in a email, I have not been on here long enough to know priya IR forums already existed and I have always followed the rules of the forums so there were no need to lock that just simply tell me these things because Im not disrespectful especially to the moderators of the forums, I have always repsected their forums and had reasonable arguements without bashing or going overboard in my arguements so it wasnt that much fair to lock it without clueing me in, remember I just joined this summer and new to talking about IR porn on forums I usually always discuss black porn, so this IR problem in porn is kind of new to me and all Im doing is providing my take on it just like everybody else has, so give a brotha a break, lol. Thank You!
I have a copy of said publication. It is very interesting, but only if you are up on mental health lingo. I also take offense to the writers claiming that fetishes and paraphilias are automatically mentally ill. Most people with fetishes function quite well in society without any treatment. Perverts, maybe -- but not mentally ill. Schizophrenics and Bipolar patients, I can accept as mentally ill because people with those diseases cannot function without medications and counseling (and someone with these problems can tell you some wicked horror stories about hallucinations -- comparable to a really bad acid trip that never ends).
The reason it got locked was so that, the topic would not continue to be discussed in THAT thread, but in one of the numerous threads that already exist. You have done what Bill asked you to, so thanks for "follow(ing) the rules." As for cluing people in, there are numerous IR threads that exist already. There is no reason, in the opinion of many of the moderators, to start new threads only to say the same things -- repeatedly -- that have been stated -- repeatedly -- by the same posters. Clearing the forums of too many repetitous threads on the same and/or similar topics is something we moderators do -- and is NOT new to the recent outbreak of IR threads.
Oh yeah, hey supa dupa, I just replied to your email saying basically what Bob said above. I just want to keep discussions about the same things in the same threads, and not have the same discussions split into different threads. Otherwise we just have parallel identical discussions going on, with everyone re-posting their ideas in both threads. It gets annoying, cumbersome, redundant & unnecessary. It's nothing against you, man.
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supa_dupa09 Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 8 2009 : 8:39PM
alright I got that now, its all good! That was just my attempt to try to spread what some of the pornstars have spread on here which is some of them have pointed to the agencies and studios, I was trying to get the finger pointed in that direction for people who wants to just name any girl that doenst do IR racist, just like I did when I named the black and latina performers that dont do whiteguys, That was my last ditched effort, Im seeing its useless to some now. Oh well moving on. Edited by - supa_dupa09 on 10/8/2009 8:46:03 PM Edited by - supa_dupa09 on 10/8/2009 8:47:23 PM
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Oct 9 2009 : 9:21AM
I totally agree. What psychology labels as fetishes or paraphilias are not only so common as to be universal, they are actually, I think a sign of good mental health if they are not obsessions. In fact, most of the mental diseases described in the DSM are simply extreme versions of perfectly healthy behaviors. Apologies for being off subject.
But it is the performer. Each contract girl has a list of guys she wants to work with. A lot of Vivid girls love Mr. Marcus, they work with him. You say the industry is validating and funding. Funding? Meaning the industry is paying people to not use African Americans? Paying who? Vivid has also done a series called Blackmaled. We have shot IR for a longtime. You shout discrimination, yet I don't see it. There is a ton of IR stuff being shot and that's been produced. Are you suggesting that every movie should have an IR scene in it? That is crazy. Janines Been Blackmaled, Monique Been Blackmaled and Savannas Been Blackmaled, three of our biggest stars have all done IR, we still shoot IR. We employed Mr. Marcus for his own series. What companies are discriminating? Name Names. I don't blame economics at all, our IR stuff sells really well.
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Well my friend there was a time when Vivid didn't do it and people were questioning discrimination of what Vivid didn't do for the Interracial fans. Hell, you had contract girl Jenna Jameson and she didn't take one black dick while she worked for your company not even Marcus. But, you guys have change in the past three or five years so that's a start. I give you credit for that.
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, I can't argue with CHI-BEAR, he IS right on that one. But I at least said the same thing about Vivid when the Janine IR came out, they DID come around.
yours is a great point overall. I believe the IR genre when talking about US porn is mainly an American phenomena. It plays upon the racial history of the United States. And I find that barrier is becoming more and more irrelevant. Yes, as Jenna didnt do IR at the Vivid she was held up as some sort of champion or hero(ie on the Howard Stern show) and at least by that contingent of whites who wanted at least one girl to stay white-on-white. I've seen the Spring Thomas vids on EbonyArchive etc and while I find her cute and sexy, those movies are contrived for both white and black audiences. For whites who want to hear the n-word and for blacks who fantasize about some pretty young white girl calling them n-word. Go figure. If some girls dont want to do IR, then leave em alone. It's their prerogative. Perhaps some day they'll change their minds but only when they get ready. It's also not fair to the girls ie Savannah Stern, Bree Olson, Sasha, Katja, Annette, Belladonna & others who do IR with ease. Show them some love as life is short and you only live once. I've always said the same thing when calling out IR. Why is IR always defined by BM/WF? are there any black women porn performers who wont do for instance 'white men'? Where are(in large numbers) the white female/Asian male, hispanic male/Asian female, hispanic female/Asian male, white female/Indian male and so on and so on? Go figure. I've seen Bree in a creampie scenes with black males and an asian male with mosaic(wow! she let an Asian dude sperm inside of her). That's a step in the right direction but I believe those mosaic scenes were made for Japanese export or were they? But certainly IR, if we're going to make the complete argument, goes further than just BM/WF.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 5:00PM
groin-grabbingly wrote: honestly i think so-called "IR" porn is some of the most racist shit i have ever seen constant portrayal of black men as ebonics-spewing thugs and lowlifes, beasts and animals. a lot of "IR" porn is basically a minstrel show. it makes a fetish out of ugly stereotypes look at that Spring Thomas chick. who cares that she did so many scenes with black men? her dialogue was like a Klan rally. nigger this, nigger that. nigger nigger nigger. "niggers don't have jobs" if you care so much about racism, where is the outrage over that? the term "IR" is itself bullshit since it only means black man-white woman. if the IR fans really cared about racial equality, then the interracial genre would encompass all combinations. black women and Asian men, Hispanic men and Asian women, white women and east Indian women, whatever. but IR fans don't have anything to say about those combinations or lack of those combinations, because that does not turn them on. they are only into the fetishized black men-on-white women. it is not "a black thing" it is just a fetish. i bet many IR fans are not black. more and more i am thinking the IR trolls are the racist ones Another insightful post. I understand the use, by African Americans among themselves, of the same language and stereotypes that they condemn when whites use it. As a CP (cerebral palsiac) I often refer to myself as a cripple, gimpy, drooling spaz, etc. etc., stuff that hurt to hear when I was growing up (and, BTW, stuff that people just plain don't do anymore)as a way to put people at ease who may be feel awkward about referring to my condition, but also very much as a kind of pride, that, because of what I am, and what I went through because of having CP, I am different and celebrate that difference, stronger, and understand that strength. That said, there's real danger in this kind of 'victim's pride' going too far, as I think it has with very many African Americans. It has a tendency in overuse to nourish animosity and hatred for whites by reminding Blacks of the racism it came from. It breeds a segregationist reverse racism of an 'us against them, no white understands us' attitude that all things White are irrelevant or malicious and Black youth culture classifies as White things as vital to themselves as education. Porn, like other media, often seizes upon these attitudes and puts them it its products to increase sales. And, like other media, porn, in the name of profit, nourishes the building of the walls of segregation that Whites built for over 3 centuries before and after the Civil War, only this time those walls are being built by African Americans themselves.
There is an important point/consideration to be taken into account when discussing pornstars from 10-20 years ago, and judging them by today's IR environment -- and race relations throughout society. I'm in my fifties, and I can state, without any hesitation whatsoever, that the history and practice of race relations in the United States has been a steady march forward. We've gone from lynchings to an almost color-blind society -- in my lifetime. Yes, there is racism. But, it is not the awful situation that existed -- in my own lifetime, for crying-out-loud! Nowadays -- a time when the overwhelming majority of Americans just don't care about race anymore (unless you're a politician beating-up on illegal immigrants) -- it is just preposterous to judge a pornstar from, say, 15-years ago, who didn't do IR then (for whatever reasons, including racist), as if they were performing (and not doing IR) and/or holding these opinions today. Look at all the Black/White porn being made today. By definition, this demonstrates just how far we've come. People here will always whine about "how about other racial 'IR' combinations"? Doesn't the fact that, other than Black/White, nobody really cares tell us something? Guys (porn consumers) are into Asian girls, Latina girls, Euro girls, etc. -- but no one give's a rat's ass about the race of the studs fucking them. So, which individual pornstars may/may not do IR becomes almost irrelevant. It doesn't "hurt [anyone's] career" -- whether they do or not -- unless they want to expand into IR to expand their opportunities. The fact is, IR porn sells -- bigtime! To suggest that studios, etc. are against Black performers, especially as a matter of deliberate racism, is just economic folly for all involved. YES, there are individual performers and individual studios/directors who may be racist. This is the exception and not the rule (today). And, most importantly, what is all the fuss about? And, why now in particular? As I have said before, guys tend to want to see studs of their own race/ethnic backgrounds fucking the girls. We don't care what the girl's race/ethnic background is, as long they're hot and we find them attractive. The general racial make-up of the porn industry, by percentages, pretty much mirrors the racial/ethnic makeup of our society in general. As our racial demographics are changing, we will see many more Hispanic, Latino and Asian performers going into the future. By 2042, [ invalid url ]. Demographics and economics will continue to shape the porn industry -- not individual performers making individual decisions.
BigBobXXX, you've made some good points in that post. You said IR sells but who buys it? I've always been curious because most of the black guys I know watch more Black on Black porn. And we all know that because of % of blacks in the US, black on black porn doesn't sell.
^ No way to prove it but I would suspect that yeah, the majority of black on black porn is mostly bought by blacks but I'd bet that most black men have/buy/rent more IR porn than straight black on black porn these days. I also think the white audience is big factor in making IR such a succes. I think IR is a big seller with black males but white males are the majority buyers/renters.
We don't have to know "who" buys IR porn to know that it sells.What a ridiculous statement. We "all" don't know any such thing. You are confusing percentage of Blacks in the population (which is a point I have made regarding percentage representation of racial and ethnic groups in porn as compared to the overall general population), with numbers. The 2000 Census reported 34,658,190 Black or African American Population. 35+ million Black Americans is a very large number. And we all know that because of % of blacks in the US, nobody watches BET
why cant a girl say no i dont want to do something and that be the end of the discussion? why should she have to give a reason? if someone says no thanks id rather not do that thats enough for me without trying to dig and pry and find some underlying, hidden reason.. but i understand with some ppl that will never be enough because with some ppl everything is about race..
By now i think everyone unfortuately realizes ir in porn generally means black perfoming with non black so in porn world this is her first ir. Also in the case of priya it wasnt cause agencies did not give her ir work with blacks she choose not to put it on her card unlike katie. I have nothing against priya but the new scene on her site is to draw in the ir loving community into signing up. Its actually a pretty smart thing to do cause she already has you thinking she wanted to do ir the whole time. I think that jenave jolie chick did it to on her site also one ir to draw fans in so they think maybe there might be more later these are gimmicks. London keyes has said she wanted to do one too but only on her site the girls that say that plan on just that one ir scene usually with mr marcus and tell you there will be more. I dont think it has to do with racism they just dont want to do ir but from a business standpoint if they do one for there site they can get new fans to subscribe and even if they never do another they at least have you paying each month waiting for more.
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lack100 Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 6:32PM
Yes these site thing are all gimmicks. priya didnt do ir because she didnt want to, not because of her agency.I doubt these site things work anyway.. those scenes will be all over the internet the second it gets posted. For them to attract more black fans to their site they have to do more than just their 1 token black scene with mr.marcus or sean michaels a year. its better that these women do these scene as regular scenes for dvd. priya, jolie and these women will get paid more for doing "us" since blacks are seen as different. thats how they get their money. I could care less about their once a year ir scenes for their sites, passing mr.macus back N forth. I have yet to watch jolie or priyas scene because i do not like mr.marcus scenes. London keyes, if she thinks shes to good to just to do regular scenes after fuckin N suckin those ugly dudes on bangbros..forget her. its funny how all these so called minority women are using blacks as a money makin fetish as if they were white girls. Edited by - lack100 on 10/15/2009 6:34:00 PM
I was going to ask the same question (as way above) about why is IR strictly black/white? What about asian, puerto rican, etc? If other "brown" or whatever color IR is supposed to stupidly represent, then I already have done IR by that count, with Voodoo Child for Reality Kings, so there! LOL Just got signed to Lisa Ann's Talent Managment.. they seem to handle more cougars than kittens MEOOOOW, so hopefully I will have some new scenes soon for y'all! xo Heidi http://www.lisaannstalentmanagement.com/casting/casting/index.php
They are not just saying they don't want to do something. This girls are flat-out saying they will not fuck black guys on camera and it's a career choice. Sasha Knox recently wrote in her ADT thread that she's "saving" IR. Like it's equivalent to anal or double vag or DP. Like it's some circus freak act to fuck a black man on camera. Ya gotta save it for when the phone stops ringing. I mean, come on. How blind can you be?! The girls can do whatever things they want. It's their bodies, but to think racism isn't involved you got to be quite naive.
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 7:13AM
'IR' is a circus act. 'IR' is not just 'fucking a black guy on camera'. If it were just that, there would be no 'IR' genre. If this topic wasn't as loaded, there would be no 'saving', because there would be no demand.
Well if it is not just fucking a black guy on camera then what is it? When a starlet says they won't do IR they mean they won't do ANYTHING with a black guy. No 1 on 1 vanilla vag sex, no BJs, not even a handjob. Not even appearing in the *same frame* with a naked black man. I'm all for eliminating the "IR" category all together, but I don't get what you are trying to say here. Edited by - tritone on 10/16/2009 3:41:23 PM
This is a very good point here. I have been wanting to say this exact same thing for a while but everytime I come to these threads I just lose all motivation. But yeah, this right here is how you can tell a girl has some underlying problem or dislike with black men in general. Ok fine! U don't want to have sex with a black man because they are "too big" as they like to say. Well why not a bj or an hj. That eliminates that excuse right there. They also say "I'm not attracted to them". Really?! You have to be attracted to a black man, in order to give him a bj or a hj?! LMAO! WTFE! *****The Dr. of Nasty*****
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 4:04PM
You know, in a perverse (and perhaps Uncle-Tomish) way, I'd love to see an all "dodger" IR handjob movie. Girls like Diamond Foxx, Sasha Knox, Melanie Scott, Rachel Roxxx, Sara Stone, etc... giving black guys hand jobs and teasing them with their tits, tongues, clits. All the while talking about how they cannot go all the way because their boyfriends/families would kill them. "But I'd love to give you a handjob". I honestly think that would be a very sexy flick.
poloprinz, What is it you and those who agree with you mean, exactly, regarding ir being a circus act. At best your statement is simply outrageous. I demand that you insult the entire African diaspora properly. Clarify your statement. Edited by - ntfighter on 10/17/2009 1:58:47 PM
Great point. This aspect of the IR issue is usually ignored.
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supa_dupa09 Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 1:17AM
(I usually will ignore because it is worthless because people dont listen to whats real, but that last part makes me see that ur listening sometimes, lol.) Yeah but I think alot of people are missing BIG TIME!! where the racism lies at. It is not all or even mostly with the performers, I heard this somewhere before, where it is okay to not fuck black men, but not okay to fuck white men. And u can easily see that in performers who date black men (some of them only.) in real life like a tori black or valerie luxe and IR cuckold performers like Katie Kox, raven black, ect. Pornstars have made a career doing mostly IR, but none of them has done only, because like some of the pornstars themselves have said they are told not to do IR or much of it by their agencies and ect. That doesnt like it is a problem with the performers it sounds like it is a problem within people who run the industry. Like I mentioned(dont know if u seen it.) with priya the east indian star who has only done IR with white guys, she is finally doing IR, but through her site only, which means she and her team set that up themselves, which also means no company hired her for IR with black men. She is the perfect example of just who is racist, and who is hating on black men really in the industry, and it is the people who run it. I mean there is a black girl that dont do black guys, there is a asian and latin girls that do black guys, and of course whitegirls, U mean to tell me there are no white future pornstars lookin to break into the business and that is not sexually attracted to whiteguys and was only comfortable doing black guys.... I dont believe that for one minute, I garauntee you tori black and valerie luxe, sara jay and them if it was their choice they wouldnt mind choosing to only do black guys since it is their preference anyways. Katie Kox's site is only IR, that shows right there when it is in the pornstars hands they can have it their way, it is not in the pornstars hand always.
You guys are romanticizing this whole thing way too much. Porn girls are not choosing a partner for sexual gratification. A porn girl who chose partners based on preference would soon go broke. Sexual prowess and physical attractiveness has nothing to do with the process. They are hired to performer a physical activity. It is exactly analogous to WWE wrestling. They have a "No list" of individual performer that is imho practical in both a personal and business sense. If that list is too long it will hurt their profitability. The porn industry has agreed that only blacks are outside these sound business practices. The false idea of Personal preference skews the debate. We are discussing porn not sex there is a big difference. Whites who have a personal preference or blacks who have a personal preference is only revelent if the performer has the power to choose. The cold reality of declining sales figures, and having to meet the notes on that Mercedes is mitigating the archaic practice of racial profiling in porn as we speak. The people defending profiling now won't notice a difference when it's gone. I have learned from reading on here that most of the girls, and I mean girl, who are "No IR" are young small town girls. As such they are greatly influenced by agents who's interest is controlling them. It reminds me of the pimp hanging out at the bus station waiting to grab the young hayseeds fresh off the Greyhound. (Replace bus station with office.) If that is true then suggesting to a prospect she shouldn't or that she won't have to work with blacks or fat people or gimps is just another way to control the girls/profit. Pimps concede something meaningless for a greater return on the investment in the future. Porn is the oldest game in the world. It's pimping gone corporate.
It's not always the agents. In most cases, it's the girls who don't want a black man to be intimate with them. Some girls have said they will never fuck a black man regardless of how good the money is or how bad they need it. Names like this come in mind: Felix Vicious, Vicky Vette, Randie Wright, Hannah West,Penny Porsche, Neesa. Taylor Rain was that way too even though she fucked Banks off camera...she said at freeones that it was her first and only time.
As an aside to my above post. To gain some insight into the world of pimping and the mental games used to "hook" and keep a "Thoroughbred" I recommend "Pimp by Iceberg Slim (Robert Beck). I got it after it was recommended to me by a poster on another board. I assume the author take some literary license with the subject, but all and all it is a primer on pimping from it's modern inception in the 1940's as told by an insider and a damn good read. Edited by - ntfighter on 10/17/2009 3:53:45 PM
"Porn girls are not choosing a partner for sexual gratification."
Porn isn't intimate. Unless you are talking about physical proximity. Sex with the person of your choice is intimate. In this racially diverse society, and considering the history of race relations in this country it is a given that some white women won't work with a black guy if it would literally save their life. I simply see it as an issue that is larger and broader than any individual performer.
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 4:14PM
I tried to not write a novel about this, but since my short post seems to have caused some confusion, I'll try to clarify what I was trying to express. I don't think people of different races or skin colours fucking is a circus act. But the 'IR' genre is not about that, it's about the black man fucking the white woman and all the historical and sociological connotations that come with this theme. Basically, I think that if you take a genre that in itself is racist, it's irrelevant to call out some people who for whatever reason do not participate as racist. And since my last post was a reaction to what savoy had written before: I don't view the term circus-act as negative. Circus-acts are porn spice. But I think it's good to know that you're watching a circus-act (if you do) and not something that has any relevance to reality (as in 'inside the boundaries of what the vast majority of people do or want to actually do'). If a female performer currently checks the IR box, what she (and the black porn fan community) gets are not the scenes she usually performs in (collegegirl fantasies, but with a black teacher? Ever seen any? BDSM with a black dom? Secretary of a black boss? MILF seducing a black teenager?), but for the most part a certain kind of racially loaded revenge fantasy. Imo it's a weird moral stance to demand from a female performer that she stars in racist fantasies, otherwise she's racist. She may be, but what does it matter? And the funny thing is that performers like Mr Marcus and Lex who don't play the revenge fantasy, are regarded by some as 'not really black' or 'too vanilla', so it doesn't count if a 'dodger' does a scene with them.
^^I see your point and agree that the genre is racist on it's face. I also see the melding of two closely related issues, institutionalized racism and personal racism. The latter proliferate because the former exist. They are symbiotic. Than there seems to bit of condemnation for the people who have no power over either. The mere observer and fans who complains because they don't like what is evident. Condemn the those who are responsible for the sad state of affairs. Those kind of "degrade the white bitches" movies are not aimed at black audiences. Justin Slayer, Lex etc., movies are geared to the predominate black audience. Taken as a whole, movies aimed for predominately black audiences don't contain nearly as much theatrical, sociological, misogynist content. They concentrate on good fucking.
This just touched on something else I've noticed. A stud who is lacking sexual prowess can have a long career in white only porn. A stud who hope to work for black producer better be able to fuck, or he won't be around long, but that's a subject for another thread.
Edited by - ntfighter on 10/18/2009 12:25:14 AM
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 10:39PM
I tend to agree that there needs to be more variation and creative fantasy in IR porn. But, as nfigther said, it is wrong to condemn all IR porn for the sins of certain companies/director that push the "revenge fantasy" stuff. There is still a good bit of IR porn that comes free of baggage. It's just 1 on 1 black guy / non-black girl --and the viewer can impose whatever fantasy he wants over this.
I've seen a few of the revenge fantasy films. Not entirely sure who they're aimed at though but I always get a feeling that's at least as much for the white guys as they are for black, plus I see loads of cuckold stuff which is just freaking weird to me. The vast majoirty of what I've see tends to be 'normal' porn with not much setup in the actual scenes just with Black and/or White somewhere in the title or some reference to the size of black cock and often some housewives' desire for it. I don't know but perhaps I don't see the revenge stuff cause I don't seek it out but I wouldn't be surprised if people make assumptions based on what they think it is cause looking around, although I'm sure some must be I can't really pick out which titles are revenge fantasy.
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supa_dupa09 Deactivated User
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 5:11AM
I said attraction and all of that because thats what comes out of their mouths, I dont like to put words in people's mouths, but other than that we are on the same page, Im glad someone else sees it the way it is: Great Points made right here: "they are greatly influenced by agents who's interest is controlling them. It reminds me of the pimp hanging out at the bus station waiting to grab the young hayseeds fresh off the Greyhound. (Replace bus station with office.)" "suggesting to a prospect she shouldn't or that she won't have to work with blacks or fat people or gimps is just another way to control the girls/profit." And another thing to add sara jay, raven black, friday and austin taylor are the known pornstars that have more IR than white porn along with some others and they have made a career for themselves off of IR, not their white films. So even more proof that these pimps feed them bullshit. Edited by - supa_dupa09 on 10/18/2009 5:52:07 AM
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Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 9:36AM
Good point there, Ntfighter. There's a saying, that I think goes like this. People from small towns have small minds. I did some research and find out to be true, that white girls from small towns who do porn tend not do IR. But the ones from Big Cities like Hillary Scott, from Chicago, Lexi Love from Boston, Sasha Grey from Sacramento,Cali and Bobbi Starr from San Francisco tend to open to do IR. Maybe we should avoid the small town, Hicks and recruit the beautiful white girls from big cities to do IR.
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I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06
Posted - Oct 18 2009 : 11:21AM
You just keep on your noble to quest to tear down those stereotypes there Mr. Halas. You are just showing you aren't any more open minded than the people you are crusading against.
[mod edit: you already posted this in the other thread. You really don't need to put it everywhere. This is the probem with having these parallel topics running, everyone feels they need to argue the same points in each thread. Anyway, even if you REALLY thought that your post had to be in both threads, just putting a link to your other post would probably have been sufficient.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 10/20/2009 5:21:29 PM
False equivalency. There is no equal blame here. Every negative does not have a equal and opposite negative despite what you seems to think. Some things are worst than others.
Why thank you Man. You like me? Look, I'm not ready for a relationship. I just broke up with my last boyfriend and I feel the need to just be alone. No hard feelings. I'm sure you'll find someone. Maybe it's simply you hate to see a reply ruined by bad spelling and grammar? If it's the latter reason then I submit that I have improved. Thanks for your concern.
Posted - Oct 7 2009 : 4:36PM
, I can't argue with CHI-BEAR, he IS right on that one. But I at least said the same thing about Vivid when the Janine IR came out, they DID come around.
