I’ve been a patron and an aficionado of Adult Entertainment (a.k.a. Porn) for a long time---much longer than I care to admit. Not because I’m ashamed that I enjoy Porn, but because of the unwelcome gray hairs that are starting to appear on my head with greater frequency. Anyway, I 've always had a special place in my heart and pants for black girls in the business. I remember those grainy 8mm films converted to video of Desiree West and her beautiful face and huge perfect chocolate tits taking a stroking from John Holmes or John Leslie, but in my mind it was me banging her--even though the I'm black and the male performers were not. It didn't matter because it was good porn! It was the 80’s and 90’s and there were so many new black girls on the scene that I could follow and grow with in my sexuality as they seem to grow in theirs on screen. They were sexy and pretty and they knew how to fuck on film. They were billed on equal footing with their non-black co-stars and I could be confident that I was going to get a really good nut or three if the names Sahara, Jeannie Pepper, Sade, Nina DePonca (she’s black enough), or Angel Kelly were on the box. Even better, the industry was turning more toward anal-themed titles from companies/directors like Wet Video, Dark Brothers, and Rosebud. I was in hog-heaven because the black girls were riding the Hershey highway too! I could count on getting regular pairings of the top black girls and a few newcomers like Janet Jacme, Midori, and Sinnamon, with the top male performers for some serious ass reaming. It was so great I swear I once wanted to be Tom Byron because all of the great anal scenes he was cranking out with these girls. I was young, horny, and making good money as a Fed, and the porn industry was turning on its axis from tit-centric marketing to an ass-centric marketing; and I knew black girls were going to take off and dominate because everyone knew they had ass for days. Plus, anal scenes were being shot in new ways and there was these new things called “gaping” and “atm” and “dp” and “dap” and these gorgeous white and Asian girls where taking it to the limits with glee. I was so excited because I knew there was going to be a flood of even hotter and sexy black girls getting their bubble asses done likewise….but it didn't really happen. You see, just when black girls should have really taken off and staked out their own claims to fame this thing called “Black on Black Porn” happened. Somebody somewhere decided that the Porn Industry was kinda racist against black audiences; and what was needed was to have movies with all-black casts and production, just for them. All of a sudden every former rapper or neighborhood wannabe pimp with a video camera was cranking out the worst porn you ever had to suffer through. Yes, there were plenty more girls and some looked very sexy; but no one had taught them how to be professionals. And they didn't have to learn or prove themselves or even know any real industry people. All they needed was a big ass, supposedly. Most went straight from the stripper pole or “The Track” to being so-called “porn stars”—wasting my motherfucking time and money with their shitty performance, and I'm sure a lot of other people’s too. Today there are only a handful of reliable black girls that appear occasionally in major gonzo productions—forget about features, there hasn't been a black female feature star since Heather Hunter over 20 years ago. I cannot blame productions companies. Budgets are tight and margins are smaller than ever. They have to make what they know sells, not promote affirmative action—or what I call Ass-firmative Action. So, that’s where we are now. Black girls have poor professional reputations both inside the industry and outside with consumers, most of who don’t even notice their absence. What’s it’s gonna take change things? Reintroducing the Black Girl genre to the world is going take people who already have a great deal of credibility established. It’s going take a collaboration of one top production company, one top white male performer, and they will have to have a good pipeline to fresh new black girls. I think better black girls can be found in Europe and South America, but especially Europe. There are so many hot black girls originally from Africa or of mixed-race backgrounds working the sex industries in Europe—many absolute hotties. I’d like to see them on the popular anal websites that use European talent. And, of course, these endeavors will need to be successful early. If that happens, then that winning formula will be copied by others. Finally, black girls are going to have to accept less money initially and work just as hard to build their own brands. No griping or playing the race card in the Black Media about the “racist porn industry”. Shut up, step your games up, be committed to taking the time to build a brand through porn. Then maybe one day we will see a company like Evil Angel have a highly successful series where Rocco Siffredi or James Deen gaping the asses of hot black girls from Ethiopian, Somalia, West African, Britain, or even America too. If Beyonce, Luptia Nyongo, Nikki Minaj, and Rihanna are international sex symbols then that means there’s an international market for porn featuring girls who look like them too. Edited by - fred g. sanford on Jul 9 2014 Edited by - fred g. sanford on Aug 9 2014
^ Perhaps the problem is that many black women aren't keen on going for guys outside of their race. They limit themselves to black guys, which limits their porn audience. Because black on black porn has a limited appeal among porn fans. White porn fans need to see the black lady do it with a white guy to believe that she is available for white guys like them. And black porn fans probably enjoy a lot of interracial porn and not just black on black porn. The audience for black on black porn is very limited, and if black ladies limit themselves to this kind of porn, then this is the reason for their limited success. In real life, black guys have a much higher rate of interracial relationships and marriages than black women. Black women limit themselves to black guys. And if this is happening in porn too, then this is what needs to change to improve the success of black women in porn. Black women need to go more for guys outside of their race.
^ First I have no problem to watch black on black porn, actually I don't care at all about the race , today I bought two DVDs Wives Gone Black 11 (which I possibly already have somewhere but was very cheap (€ 5 = $ 6.5) and there was Celeste Star on the cover) and Chocolate Cheerleader Camp which I bought because there was Lotus Lain on the cover and I saw a new (for me) stunning beauty going with the name of Bianca it was the the up left star in the front cover and the central picture at the bottom of the back cover. Well it only occurred to me that the guy fucking her was black only when I was back home. I also own Black Panthers from Lex Steele , have some of Michael Stefano's Feeling Black series along as both Black Diamonds from Sean Michaels Secondly some stars such as Monique, Midori, Heather Hunter, Marie Luv , India , Meka Johnson and many othersdid mostly IR with whites , and I disagree there's a whole lot of beautiful black American actresses , not Just Ana Foxxx or Skin Diamond , but many other plus Marie Luv is back. Also having high demand for that Dogfart is about to launch a completely new "White Dick Black Chicks" (for lack of better description from them) site and just updated a cuckold scene with Ana Foxxx and Chris Strokes as main stars which got praise from many although a bunch og guys is trying to pull it down giving a political vote of 1 to destroy its average which stays high BTW , 9.51 so far. It is a first because it is in their main series of sites instead of the usual white girl. I still remember some great performers Hypnotiq was great an incredible anal performer one of the few black girls to perform anal DAPs regularly , Nikara still is one of my favourites. and I can't wait to put my hands on Mimefreak's Caramel Hunnies Mind you I'm not black or IR fetished , I just don't care, if I like the girls in a DVD I pick it up , no matter the race , if some black performers wants to perform with blacks only I'll support their choice , it doesn't matter
To many female black performers are afraid of cum, and just not wild enough. Yeah, sure, there are exceptions, but not many. Especially the black women I find the most attractive. Edited by - 2ferme on 6/23/2014 12:10:04 PM
It seems to me that if a porn performer wants to garner the widest audience then she has to take jobs when they are offered. The fact that we have no way of knowing the ratio of jobs taken versus jobs offered is going to skew any statistical analysis. Nevertheless, here are some interesting statistics, courtesy of the IAFD. Unfortunately, they include compilations, which makes them even squishier and, as you can imagine, the more popular the performer the more compilations she's likely to appear in. Nevertheless, here goes: Vanessa Blue - 1996-2010 / 181 titles India - 1997-2008 / 162 titles * Marie Luv - Years Active: 2000-2014 / 463 titles Skin Diamond - 2009-2014 / 249 titles Meagan Vaughn -: 2010-2014 / 44 titles For comparison: Jenna Haze - 2001-2014 / 591 titles Skin seems to be on track to equal or surpass Jenna's output, and Marie is within shouting distance. So, maybe things aren't quite as bad as they may appear. * India took several breaks over the course of her career. Whether that was in order to pursue other interests or because the job offers weren't there I can't say.
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Posted - Jun 17 2014 : 2:14PM
One thing to remember with the IAFD and Black performers is that, unless the girl(s) were in mainstream movies with the larger studios many of their credits were/are missed altogether. And, many Black performers, especially those with smaller output, never get collated together properly under a single "main" stage-name (due to all the different aliases, misspellings and lack of pictures for comparison). I personally know their former editor who made an effort to clean-up the Black female performer listings, and he's no longer with the IAFD. Also, newer performers -- now with many, if not more, Internet site scenes, as opposed to scenes in movies and DVDs -- are severely under-represented in the IAFD database. Their Internet site scene listings are virtually nil (which I attribute to the need to actually purchase site memberships to even see the scenes and information -- for every fucking site). Also, even if the IAFD did purchase an Internet site membership, say Brazzers, the sites themselves don't let you share membership access with 10 different users (i.e. the multiple editors). Typically, the only Internet scenes that wind-up in the IAFD database are those that eventually get released on DVD -- and that's a relatively small amount of a site like Brazzers total scene output. So, while Black performers can and do have a harder time being hired for scenes than their White counterparts (at least in mainstream porn), they are also under-counted when we try to look at the statistics.
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Posted - Jun 17 2014 : 2:20PM
I only watch porn where the male preformer is white period. So it's a shame some some black girls wont do white guys but that's their decision same as some white girls dont do black guys. However I think the main reason is because there arent that many "crazy" black females in the biss, we have never had a black Bealladonna/Shyla stylez/Annette schwarz that I can think off, you know someone that goes all the way and even more to shock and excite you. Having that said though I just checked up on that Chris strokes vs Ana foxxx cuckold video and omg that looks awesome, I never thought a white bull black sub video would ever be made in america, not since all the politically correct nuts like to cry racism all the time. I hope there will be more videos made like that cause its new and fresh and a great way for black female pornstars to branch out.
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Posted - Jun 17 2014 : 2:27PM
Honestly, I don't know of very many Black girls that "won't do White guys," and turn down work as a result I'm also guessing that the number of White guys that wouldn't do Black girls is about zero Seriously, I love White guy/Black girl porn, the other IR, and wish the studios would make a lot more of it!
I don't like the humiliating part in cuckold scenes in any way but that's me as for the other comparison, well Midori was pretty wild and very open to anal, Nikara performed anal ONLY , and I don't know of ANY white performer doing so , she turned down many offers to give up her pussy on screen. As said Hypnotiq was quite extreme especially if you consider she was active around ten years ago Monique was doing gang bangs , DPs and threesomes when even white girls had problems back then Janet Jackme was great too,
I agree totally with Goldstein. I cannot recall one Black girl who refused to work with white guys. In fact, some of the best past series featuring Black girls were done by white guys like Michael Stefano's "Feeling Black", Mark Wood's "Bangin in the Hood", TT Boy's "Black Street Hookers", and Nate Woodburn's "Gangland White Boy Stomp"--even Ed Powers' "Black Dirty Debutantes" series had a few stroke worthy scenes and always had fresh new faces. Unfortunately all are now discontinued which begs the question....why? From my point of view, each series seemed to run out of new black girls who were good performers and the casting became repetitive. For a long time the only Black girls I could count on to deliver the goods were Marie Luv, Jada Fire, and Sinnamon Love. Now it's only Skin Diamond and Megan Vaughn--unless Marie Luv has returned. But, by comparison, how many great Asian girls are working today? Far more than three, I'm sure! Blacks are about 13% of U.S. population while Asians are about 6%. But why is there never a shortage of Asian girls in Porn who will do it all with gusto? No one can suggest that Asian girls won't do IR scenes. Hell, all of their scenes are IR! So, the anti-IR argument doesn't hold water. No, the reason Black girls are disappearing from Porn is poor performances. Why is that Black males remain among the top male performers in Porn even though that is the most difficult way to get into the business? It's because they produce quality work. No one would waste time and money on a guy with a big black limp dick. Those guys are pros and their reward is consistent work and strong fan bases--same as the 3 aforementioned Black girls who are reliable performers today. Edited by - fred g. sanford on 6/17/2014 6:34:07 PM Edited by - fred g. sanford on 6/17/2014 6:35:10 PM
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Posted - Jun 17 2014 : 6:40PM
There are more Black female performers than you think. But, unfortunately, most of them get stuck in Black only product :(
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Posted - Jun 17 2014 : 6:40PM
Black girls start out doing white guys but for some reason they stop after a few movies. They do cams, escorting or dancing instead. If the industry doesn't find a way to get Black, Latino and Asians working porn will die out. The white male audience is shrinking and the industry is shrinking with them.
Because most people don't think twice about seeing Asian women do a white guy. In fact I think a lot of white men have a fetish for Asian women, that's why it's always going to sell more than black woman porn. Edited by - GaryT on 6/18/2014 12:16:38 AM Edited by - GaryT on 6/18/2014 1:11:40 AM
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Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 12:42AM
^ That's the problem for black girls...Asian girls, also Latinas, are more "desired" by the majority of white men when it comes to non-white women that turn them on.
Nobody mention Misty Stone so I will,because her rates went up nobody will hire her.Also because Misty don't do anal that affects her marketability.As someone mention above a lot of Black females don't go overboard went the kink that's why they don't get too much work.Another factor is the fact a lot of producers are shooting for the White market,why else don't you see Black females in big porn productions.Also it's ridiculous to say Black Females don't want to work with White males,some Black females come in with the attitude they don't want to work with Black males exspecially the mix girls.They usually don't last too long either Edited by - jizzyjay on 6/18/2014 6:24:02 AM
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Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 6:35AM
It reminds me of the quote by James Baldwin: "It is still true, alas, that to be an American Negro male is to be a kind of walking phallic symbol: which means that one pays in one's own personality, for the sexual insecurity of others."That's like saying that FOX News is "kinda" conservative. The porn industry is racist, which is really ironic considering that it's porn- an entertainment genre that, due to its own taboo status, should be free of such ridiculous hangups.Professionals? Who cares about that? You hit the nail right on the head when you said that they "looked very sexy." That's what most of the guys watching these movies wanted to see. As long as the girls are sexy and, Yes, have big sexy asses, who gives a fuck if they're "professionals," or know anyone in the industry? You seem to be missing the point of why most guys watch porn.I have certainly noticed their absense, but I doubt that their absense has anything to do with reputation. It's simply because the small handful of porn companies that are still around are largely ignoring black performers, both male and female. If you're a black performer of either sex, then you're going to have a hard time getting much work nowadays in porn, no matter how attractive or reliable of a performer you are.We can start by getting more porn producers who actually know how to make stuff that people want to see, but most of those guys have been run out of business by piracy and the corporatization of porn.Why would it have to be a white male performer?So you think black porn girls are supposed to do the same work that white porn girls do, but accept less money, AND you want them to shut up and not complain about racist treatment from the industry? If that's what you expect, then you've already answered your own question about why there are so few attractive black girls in porn. It's because your expectations are ridiculous, unreasonable, and would only perpetuate the already racist attitudes of the porn industry.Evil Angel does have one director who produces black girl titles. It's Mike Adriano. He has a black girl anal series. The problem is that he apparently has trouble finding attractive black girls willing to do anal. Since there are fewer black girls doing porn in general, and even fewer still who do anal, he can't find a lot of girls to put in those movies unless he wants to keep using the same ones all the time, which explains the infrequency of the series titles. He does put quite a few black girls in his BJ titles though.It would be unlikely to hear about these girls because they wouldn't have done much work to hear about. Black women in porn do not have the option to refuse to perform with white men if they want to make it big in porn. So whether or not they want to perform with white men is irrelevant. They would have to do it in order to become recognizable names in porn. Refusing to work with men outside your race is a privilege reserved for only white women in porn. A white woman can work in porn for 10 years and be one of the biggest names in the industry all while letting the whole world know that she will not work with black men. It doesn't work that way for black porn girls, or for porn girls from any other race for that matter. Even Asian and Latina porn girls, while they may still feel free to refuse to work with black men, cannot turn down white dick if they want to to get recognition in porn. Let a black, Asian, or Latina chick say she refuses to perform with white men, and see how long she lasts in porn. Hence, the racism of the porn industry. White dudes are the only ones immune to discrimination.Why is that unfortunate?Most people don't think twice about seeing interracial couples, period. For some strange reason, the only place where this still appears to be a major issue is in the American porn industry. Edited by - realtip on 6/18/2014 6:43:50 AM
Perhaps it's a problem of perception, where both black women and white guys don't believe that the other is interested in them. So, they don't even try to get together. To get rejected, you must try first. But if people don't even try, then it never gets to the rejection stage. But this lack of trying might be due more to the behavior of white guys, rather than black women. Because guys are the ones who usually go after women, and then these women say either 'yes' or 'no' to them. If there is lack of trying, then it's the white guys who aren't trying, and they are the ones who need to change their behavior. Black guys have no problem with trying to make friends with white women. But if white guys aren't trying to make friends with black women as much, then this explains the difference why black guys are involved with white women a lot more often than are black women with white guys. It's the fault of white guys, who aren't trying hard enough to make friends with black women.
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Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 8:33AM
^ Dan, I'm talking about porn, not dating. The studios and directors have the say in bringing performers together... or not. I've said this before, and I'll say it again... My belief is that strokers prefer to see males of their own race fucking the girls, and could really care less what the girl's race and ethnicity are as long as they find them attractive.
^ I'd say that interracial porn-making and interracial dating look so similar to each other in terms of their frequency that they probably have the same dynamics and causes going on. It's a fact of life in USA that black guys have relationships with white women a lot more, than black women have relationships with white guys. And it's also a fact of life that guys are the ones who initiate relationships, while women say either 'yes' or 'no' to them. Which means that the most likely explanation for black guys having a lot more interracial relationships than black women is that black guys go after white women, but white guys don't go after black women nearly as much. In porn, the situation is very similar. Most interracial porn is black guys banging white women, and very little of it shows white guys banging black women. It's reasonable to think this difference is caused in the same way as in interracial dating. Which is that white porn studs and white film directors aren't asking black women to perform in their films. Edited by - Dan on 6/18/2014 8:49:11 AM
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Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 9:49AM
I don't think it makes a difference. Black guys have been watching and buying porn starring white guys for years. Also, it is white guys, not black guys, who are the biggest consumers of IR (BM/WF) porn. As long as the guy is a good performer, I don't see why anyone would care what color he is.
^ The guy's race might not be important, when the lady makes herself available for guys of any race. Because in such a case, the viewer doesn't feel excluded from her list of preferences, no matter what his race is. But when the black lady does exclusively black guys and almost never appears with white guys, then a lot of white guys would naturally think that she is probably not interested in white guys like them. Which can be a big turn off for them, because this is possible racial dislike and discrimination against them. Race isn't important only when there is no appearance of possible racial segregation and racism. Which is pretty hard for white viewers to exclude, when the black lady has sex only with black guys and doesn't have sex with white guys, who happen to be the majority in the population.
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Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 10:20AM
I don't know if you have noticed but the porn industry has changed. The same level of money is not present. That means churn and burn out the girls with hardcore gonzo sex, find the next one. There are black girls doing porn, but it's always going to be smaller than the number of white girls. People of African ancestry make up 12% of the population. That means you have a much smaller pool of performers to choose from to begin with. The desire to do the churn and burn of gonzo isn't there. Features and straight sex are probably the smaller portion of the porn industry now. It's a changing time. I think you'll see far more churn and burn than in the past and it was already something the porn industry did. Tube sites, pirating, and the like have taken a lot of the easy money out of the porn industry. If the money isn't there, how you going to keep attracting girls when stripping and hooking is probably better money now.
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Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 10:43AM
You do realize that white girls in porn are WAY more guilty of this than black girls, right? In fact, it's unheard of for a black girl to refuse performing with white guys for the reasons I've already stated here. If a black girl just wants to make a few scenes to get some fast money before quickly exiting the industry, then yeah, she might shoot a few all-black scenes with WCP, or Evasive Angles, or Brian Pumper, and then disappear. But if she wants to seriosuly pursue working in porn and getting name recognition in the industry, then she's going to have to do scenes with white guys, whether she wants to or not, and that's only IF she can even get anyone to book her since, as as even you stated yourelf, all the major porn companies are interested in shooting only white girls now. Therefore, white guys never get refused by hot black girls in porn who are seriously trying to make it in the industry. It just doesn't happen because that's not the way porn works. Black men, on the other hand, get excluded all the time by white girls who don't do scenes with black guys. If what you say is true, then you should certainly understand the frustration that black guys feel everytime some white girl comes onto the scene proclaiming that she will fuck everybody in the world except for black guys, which happens all the time.
^ Stripping and hooking pays a lot more, when the lady is well-known and famous as a porn star. Because she is bound to be a lot more popular among guys in such a situation. It makes sense for a lady to do a few porn films to gain some fame, before doing her stripping or hooking. But in terms of black women performing with white guys, then that 12% proportion reveals a huge racial problem in porn. You have about 12% of porn being interracial alright. But it's almost exclusively black guys banging white women. Black women are nowhere to be found with white guys. Black women are so far below the 12% in interracial porn that it isn't funny.
"You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10
Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 11:55AM
I don't see White girls "proclaiming" any such thing. Clearly, it sometimes comes up in a stupid Twitter exchange, but that's hardly "proclaiming that she will fuck everybody in the world except for black guys." What I see -- repeatedly and constantly -- is posters right here on ADT "proclaiming" it for them, and bitterly bitching about it -- when the girl hasn't said a thing one-way-or-the-other. The fact that a White girl hasn't (i.e. or more correctly hasn't yet) fucked a Black guy (i.e. in a porn scene) doesn't make her a racist. It doesn't imply or mean a fucking thing at all. BTW, it is often said and repeated as gospel that White males are the biggest consumers of Black male/White female IR porn. Aside from the fact that White males are going to be -- statistically due to their percentage of the porn consuming population -- the largest consumers of anything, I don't buy it. What porn consumers accept, even purchase, often has very little to do with what we really want. Example: I tolerate anal scenes -- which I have absolutely no interest in -- if I find the girl attractive and other aspects of the scene appeal to me. This is why God invented the FF button. Hey, I want to see one-on-one scenes with girls with hairy pussies and natural tits having vaginal sex, giving extended cock-worship blowjobs and taking huge facials. So, basically, the overwhelming majority of the porn I wind-up consuming is not what I really want. I accept anal, shaved pussies, multiple partners, weird camera angles, MTV camera work, abysmal editing, Frankentits, excessive tattoos, studs jerking themselves off to climax, cumshots missing the target and cumshots everywhere but on the face as the price of participating. The needs of the many (diverse tastes) outweigh the needs of the one (me). As the great BigBobxxx once said (back in 2006):I suggest that the Black male/White female IR genre thrives primarily because Black males really love it (just like Goldstein really loves WM/BF scenes), and that all of us non-racist dying-off White guys accept it -- as long as the girl's hot and it's a good scene. So, studios have found a way to really appeal to one segment of the market (i.e. Black males) -- and drive sales -- with very little downside from the rest of us -- who overwhelmingly don't care about race. What I care about is QUALITY, dammit, not the race of the performers. But, bringing more hot Black girls into the mix couldn't hurt, right? "Beauty is but a curse to our women."
MOD: Is this yet another thread that is going to fall victim to the yelling and screaming about racism? This is all I will say on the matter. The choice is up to all of you.
So, Skin Diamond is marketed as white? Perhaps the problem is that there's less opportunity to grow a fan base now; producers want really big results right away. I just looked at XRent to see what's new. Three new black titles are listed. By comparison, Asian = 2, feature = 2, anal = 5, all girl = 11. That puts the black genre squarely in the middle.
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Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 3:00PM
^ Honestly, I don't think we're anywhere near tossing-in-the-towel just yet.
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Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 4:34PM
There are quite a few white porn girls who have indeed proclaimed it. I could name names, but I think everyone can easily figure out who they are. Also, what do you think it means when you look at a girl's agency profile, especially one who is well-known and has been in the industry for longer than a few years, and see that she is available for everything except IR? Is that not a tacit proclamation? I obviously didn't intend for my use of the word "proclaiming" to be taken literally, but even though the girls may not be walking around with bullhorns announcing their refusal to perform with black guys, it is still a refusal just the same.Of course it doesn't. There are plenty of logical reasons to explain why girls don't do IR. I was talking to one relatively new porn girl who explained that she was putting off doing IR until she launched her website. Since she would obviously want to market her site as much as possible, it makes sense that she would wait to shoot her first IR for her own site rather than shoot it for someone else. So yes, there are legitimate explanations for some girls not doing it. But when it becomes plainly clear that a girl just has no intention of ever doing it despite the fact that she has done everything else there is to do on camera, from anal to DP to gangbangs, then she's more than likely just a narrowminded dodger.I think I've told the story here before about when I noticed the video store I used to frequent having more and more IR titles on the shelves. When I asked the owner of the store about why there were suddenly so many more IR movies on the shelves than usual, he told me it was because that's what was selling the most. I also noticed that most of the customers who patronized the store were indeed white men. Even though this is only an anecdotal observation, it kinda backs up the theory that there are a lot more white guys into IR than black guys.What you say about tolerating things in porn that we really don't like applies to most of us. While I do prefer watching anal, shaved pussies, and big tits (real or fake, doesn't matter as long as they're big), I can also really do without the annoying camera angles, terrible editing, excessive tattoos, and guys jerking off themselves rather than letting the girls finish the job. Not only that, but I can also do without the way-too-close camera closeups, weird sexual positions, splattering the girls down in oil, and guys shaving themselves hairless, which are all trends that I just don't get. But like you said, a lot of times we just have to tolerate the bad with the good in porn.Speaking as a black man, I can honestly say that it's not a matter of "really loving" IR. I'm curious to know on what you base that belief. I don't "really love" IR porn any more or less than any other type of porn that I watch. If I'm watching an IR flick, I'm not watching it because it's IR. I'm watching it because I like it and it has good performers in it, which are the same reasons that I watch non-IR porn. I don't watch Lex Steele's movies because he's a black man fucking white chicks. I watch his movies because he's a talented performer with a big dick fucking hot chicks. Likewise, I don't want to see more scenes with girls like Ivy Sherwood, Christine Sweet, Anya Ivy, Mya Lushes, Jezabel Vessir, Rhianna Royce, Teanna Trump, Katia de Lys, and others just because they're black. I want to see more scenes with these because they're fucking hot. The races of the perfomers don't matter one bit to me if the scene is good.Right. I fully agree with you on that.Skin Diamond is only one girl. There are plenty of other black girls (who, in my opinion, are much hotter) that just can't get work simply because they're black. This is similar to how people like to always bring up Oprah and Obama whenever anyone mentions the ever-present existence of racism in America.
^ There's a market out there , you can't sell fridges to the Inuit . Some directors fear low sales , this is not a time for experimentation. If you put black performers and nobody buys them what good would it be? Take a look to the comments on Dogfart to the release of Ana Foxxx scene ,it is a pivotal scene for them , most comments are in praise of it it and her but , there are some who not only don't wanna see any black girl at all but also are trying to destroy the average rates of it to make sure it'll won't look appreciated and won't happen again, some even declared they'd cease their membership And this from a site devoted to Interracial whose customer aren't against it. Those who liked it outnumber those who don't but we don't know how will react those who kept silent , will they continue, will they leave? In their thread and on twitter more black girls were requested , a lot , so they decided to launch a new site which by itself is courageous these days and they do it with black girls and white men . That scene put that way is a test , I don't even like cuckold themed scenes less of all those with humiliating and sometimes gaysh parts , but I praised that one , Ana is too good to bother me with other stuff and they deserve support. So instead of keep complaining for the past why don't we praise those adventurous? Black girls are in demand today , at least much more than before , did you buy Black Panthers? I did
Again, you said, "All the major porn companies are interested in shooting only white girls now," which is patently untrue, unless you want to claim that Skin isn't black. Obviously, something is going on which severely limits the number of black females who make it in porn. What isn't so obvious is that it is simply the color of their skin. Edited for punctuation. Edited by - hardware on 6/18/2014 6:22:22 PM
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Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 6:57PM
I wonder if black males getting work is as big an issue as black woman getting work
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Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 7:46PM
^ I think the A-list Black studs (e.g. Lex, Mandingo...) are very much in demand. However, I suspect that the Black "mopes" probably have every bit as much difficulty making a living as the White "mopes" do. The trend that is absolutely lost in all this discussion, IMHO, is the huge rise in mixed-race performers -- both male and female. Skin Diamond is the preeminent example of a mixed-race performer. Remember, the way porn is marketed differs from absolute racial determinations. If you LOOK Black (e.g. Skin Diamond), you are marketed as Black. In society, we increasingly just don't care -- particularly young people -- about putting a fine point on race. Mixed-race is a perfectly acceptable answer. In porn, many want to stroke to a Black, White, Asian, Latina, etc. racial type. Thus, this is how porn is marketed. AND, for those that don't care about racial categories and/or want to put a fine-point on them (e.g. "they're all mixed, so it is all wrong"), then don't care. Buy any title or racially-marketed genre and be satisfied already.
This thread could easily be about the rise and fall of the porn industry and how it correlates with the fall of black female performers. The posts in the thread wouldn't even have to change.
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Posted - Jun 18 2014 : 9:30PM
Hey, am I the only one who sees more than a passing resemblance between Rihanna and Skin Diamond? Skin, of course, it the hotter of the two. And, Skin seems to set the style trends before any of the mainstream girls adopt them, including Rihanna.
Rihanna and Skin Diamond are clearly mixed-race and not black or white in terms of their looks. It's the woman's looks that are important in porn and not the legal definition of black, as it was used before the Civil War in USA. When they had slavery for blacks in USA, then they needed to have a legal definition for who was black and who wasn't. And according to those laws, even having one black parent was enough to define you as black. Which led to some people being only a 1/4 black and 3/4 white being defined as black anyway. You get these proportions when a 1/2 black person has children with a white person. Their children are only 1/4 black, genetically speaking that is. But legally, they were called black anyway, so that they could be owned and sold as slaves. Edited by - Dan on 6/20/2014 7:42:12 AM
^ which means that whatever proportion they had "mixed" or "Mulatto" people suffered no less than the other slaves and suffered no less than any other American with some degree of African descent of the segregation and discrimination any other descendant from slaves had. And now they are suffering some kind of discrimination as well from both , Blacks and Whites .
There is not one black female performer who has issues working with white men. Where do people get their information from? People just make up stuff, yet can't name 1 black woman who has said she won't work with white men. Black men are the only race of men girls have issues with. Funny thing is I can name black women who wouldn't work with black men, but can't think of one who has said she wouldn't work with white men. I don't understand this false information people provide. Black women simply do not get hired as they are not viewed as attractive/valuable as other races of women by producers. Nothing to do with performance or working with white men.black product barely even exist anymore. Most black girls getting more interracial work than with black men. the first site most black women pop up on is round and brown with white men. There are so many black girls who only shot a few scenes and only worked with white men. So they are not "stuck" in black only product. Edited by - ghost88 on 6/20/2014 7:26:58 PM
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Posted - Jun 20 2014 : 7:57PM
If black woman with white men were as popular as black men with white woman this probably wouldnt be an issue
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Posted - Jun 20 2014 : 10:30PM
^ That's why I love to watch POV titles. Rather than worry about the future of porn, just let it evolve into whatever form it wants. Some guys my age (late 50's) drift into depression after retirement, when life just isn't any fun anymore. I'm thankful I continue to enjoy watching the expressions on a pretty woman's face as she performs in a title. It's a fun hobby for me. I'm thankful my taste in porn has evolved with time, in a manner that is more liberal rather than conservative. This old white boy just purchased the title "Black booty 2", by Elegant Angel. I enjoyed watching every minute of it. L.T. is a good-natured fellow. Thirty years ago, if someone had asked me to watch a similar title, I would have said "no way!". I've changed for the better. Porn will too. Just watch and see.
Ana Foxxx would definitely be on a top contender on my "Hottest woman in porn" list if I were to make one. No "Black" qualifier needed. It's a crying shame she hasn't gotten bigger yet. Hopefully that is going to change.
Ryaan Reynolds was a mix race female who said she wouldn't work with Black Males,Lavish Styles is another one who said she wouldn't work with Black males and when her booking with down she had a change of heart.It didn't help her though.Alia Star, Courtney Page
You guys have to be kidding.... right? Many of you don't seem to grasp how the porn biz works. I'm far from an expert but I think it's incredibly obvious what's happening here to a large extent... First off many of you saying (complaining) about who won't do who in porn basing it all on what you see ending up on the screen. Well, sorry but black girl "A" can't do a scene with white guy "B" unless someone hires her. It's not like the performers just decide who they're gonna bang and shoot a scene. Many black girls only shoot with black guys because that's all they're being offered to shoot. It's not like most of these girls are turning down offers to shoot with white guys...the offers aren't coming. Sorry to say but for many black female performers those offers will never come. Many black performers are only going to ever work for smaller studios that shoot black on black porn. Why? Because many don't have the type of look that bigger "mainstream/popular" studios are looking for. That's not to say they're ugly or not good looking but mainstream America has always had a certain look/standard that they consider good looking for black women. I tend to think the black women who have that sort of look almost always do better in porn and tend to rise up higher on the porn ladder. The best of the besst end up working at the bigger studios eventually. I don't even think it's soley a race issue, it's the same of any girl of any race working in porn. There are hundreds of white girls also who will never get any work from the bigger studios in porn and will never get out of the "ghettos" of porn. The porn pay scale is another thing many of you can't seem to grasp. I think because you want to compare working in porn to working a typical 9 to 5 job. It's like you think a black girl shows up at a porn interview and the employer tells her "Typically, beginning pornstars make $800 per scene but since you're black we're only going to pay you $500 per scene..." It's not so simple. A black female performer can set her price as high as the top white girls in the industry....but it will mean she'll just be pricing herself out of work. Guess what? No one's going to pay the black girl with the bad teeth and flabby boobs the same amount they pay Alexis Texas. Sorry. They aren't even going to pay the pretty black girl the same thing they pay Alexis Texas because the demand for her isn't there. Sorry. But guess what? If she sets her rates low enough she will probably get steady work from the smaller studios putting out black on black movies and make a decent career salary. There's a market for black female performers but it's small comparitively to the market for white female performers. There's much bigger market for Black male/white female because a big part of it plays off multiple stereotypes/fetishes that both black and white porn veiwers like to watch. With Black female/White male porn there are only a couple of "fetishes" that attract viewers. I personally think porn is about right with the women who rise to the top. Many factors are at play when it comes to this type of thing. Looks mostly play a major role but after that it's up to the girl what type of success she'll have in porn. Some girls are so good looking they don't have to put in much effort to be succesful. Some are succesful because of hard work. Some, because finding a niche that works for them. Some, because they're willing to do almost anything.
Wow this is one of the most intelligent and logically sound posts I have ever read on this message board and I've been here for years. Draxxx I could really use your superior critical thinking skills with a financial issue involving black female models and getting them to lick my ass without having to break my wallet. I'm an amateur pornographer and I have a site but I'm not promoting it yet, I have shot 17 models for the site so far(I started in April). I'm still in the building process and adding content on a frequent basis, I'm planning on releasing the site once I have shot 30 models. My site is hardcore amateur pov porn with the girls performing oral, rimming me and doing straight to anal and finishing it off with cum in mouth and swallow, I've been indulging in all my favorite fetishes and this whole project has been a blast of hedonistic excitement. I've been hiring models from ads on sexyjobs.com and believe it or not I've been paying the black female models double the money I usually pay the white and asian girls thinking that black girls are not as willing to get nasty as other races of girls as far as licking man ass, doing anal and swallowing so I just justified it in my mind as me paying them more as extra compensation for them performing sex acts they regularly don't perform, specifically the rimming, I guess I thought this because I never see black girls licking man ass in porn. Draxxx the question I want to ask you is am I doing my bank account a huge disfavor by paying black girls more off the bat for rimjob scenes? How should I effectively negotiate price with my black female models if they say they want more money to lick ass? Also do you think it's true that black girls are less willing to get nasty and eat ass than other races of women or is that a myth? Also in your opinion which type of black girls are more willing to eat man ass, the "ghetto" type of black girls or the "educated" black girls. In my experiences the ghetto black girls seem to be more defensive, aggressive and paranoid of being used and the educated black girls seem to be more friendly, submissive and open minded so I thought the educated ones are more likely to do it but then I thought about it and realized that the educated ones may have more morals so less likely to lick man ass while the ghetto ones are more for the money so more likely to eat ass given the extra "dinero". This whole thing has my brain cramped and I really need your help with this Draxxx. Thanks and Happy early Independence Day to everybody! Edited by - MARKWOODFAN on 6/21/2014 7:38:27 AM
