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Ah, I'm a proud black man and I skip your scenes and films (Tori Black's flick was just fine without sitting through your scene...and Rocco's LA thingy...great movies). I do it without malice, but rather instinctively, as the Rose sisters would skip doing scenes with a black man. I'm just flat out not interested. A wall has gone up, a mental block, with regard to IR dodgers. I don't know when it started and I didn't set out to take that kind of stance, but, see, that's where the "pride" comes in, I guess. I can only speak for myself, but it's not about seeing non-IR girls as a "loss." That's over-analyzing the issue to a laughable degree. No, my reasoning is pretty basic: Dodgers--and their weird, random excuses for dodging--turn me off. Viscerally, I just shut down when a dodger scene is up. >>/ every time. The animal lust isn't there, because in my head, all I'm getting is "She...is...a...dodger." Um, I'm not jerking off to that. Sorry. Turn off. I watch porn for a good yank now and then, not to be confronted with a hideous social construct that has given me the short end of stick my entire fucking life. Hey, but I deal.
Believe me, I'm not the black man lamenting your absence. But, black men have too much shit to deal with day in and day out to be confronted with that dark cloud that follows us 24/7 to STILL be hovering over when we're seeking refuge in the one thing that even the losingest of fucking loser white guys (and all men, actually) can turn to to brighten their day: Porn. On the reals, I don't know why this thread isn't titled: "If You Don't Have a Guilty Conscience About Dodging, Don't Show Up In This Thread." Uh...yeah. P.S. I'm not judging girls that don't do IR, by the way. My dick does that for me when it goes limp on their scenes. Edited by - YannisStylist on 9/26/2009 7:32:32 AM
We Jews do that, huh? Well, I'm Jewish and I didn't get that memo. Anti-Semitic, much?Not equally, since most Israelis are Jews. Isis identified her ancestry as Jewish as well as Scottish and Peruvuan on other threads on this forum, but you couldn't be expected to bother to look it up, could you? Bigots aren't only vile, they're lazy too.
I don't understand your reply to this post. All the guy was saying is that he is proud to be black and that black men shouldn't see white women as anything special. What is wrong with what he said? Edited by - Nimrod on 9/26/2009 11:02:12 AM
First there were the 9/11 truthers, then the anti-Obama birthers and now we have the Hush Hush conspiracists. The hits just keep on coming, don't they? Given the plethora of unnamed agents who have gone out of their way to discourage white starlets from working with black men on camera before the existence of Hush Hush, that story's got more holes than Swiss cheese in a sty. Edited by - Sheldon on 9/26/2009 11:05:40 AM
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 11:16AM
Your response has more holes that swiss cheese. I replyed in 'relation' to AvaRose's post when she said the IR is unattractive because of the aminalistic, sordid thug element. Tell me something Einstien, do these unnamed agents direct IR porn, yes or no??? Please read and think before posting next time.
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 11:32AM
i swear!!!! israeli is a nationality and a ethnicity. israel is a nation so it would make it my nationality. but guess what a ignorant f*&^ would say that. if i really wanna get into my ethnic backround i have all sorts of white spanish middle eastern and im sure even black. first its because IR now its cuz im jewish, now i know this is full of it and are weak.
f*&%^ing idiot. if i don't turn you on fine.... im not your type but don't try to pull the race card. xoxo Isis Taylor
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bellend Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 12:05PM
Get out with that nonsense and learn some history (apparently your own) and reality and ease up on calling people bigots. From RACE TRAITOR #16 "The 'Jewish' population of Israel includes people from fifty countries, of different physical types, speaking different languages and practicing different religions (or no religion at all), defined as a single people based on the fiction that they, and only they, are descended from the Biblical Abraham. It is so patently false that only Zionists and Nazis even pretend to take it seriously."
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 1:08PM
Oh boy I will put as simple as I can for you AND ANYBODY ELSE who cant comprehend to understand. Basically a proud black man is not going to let someone who is not into black guys phase them to the point of being upset and mad about that female not being into black guys. Damn! thick heads boy I tell you.
The first part of the message was a quote. She was responding to someone's post...the whole comment isn't hers. I agree with what the guy said but I don't know why Mia seems to have a problem with what the guy wrote.
Alright, since it was asked where the mods are on this board... I'm right here. In my opinion as a person, this thread is filled with countless ridiculous statements, as well as some that seem sensible. But I'd say the ridiculous far outweigh the sensible thus far. In my opinion as a mod, as much as there has been a lot of bickering and ridiculous statements here, the thread hasn't gotten out of hand. Most accused of something have been able to defend themselves, most that have gotten out of hand (on both sides, if there are two sides) have stepped back from their hostility at certain points and taken stock of things. As a result, I haven't felt at any point that the thread was worthy of closing, and I have rarely even felt like I needed to say something. But as with any thread, if the bickering reached a point where virtually every post was violating the ADT forum etiquette, or where particular posters were being 'ganged up on' to a point where they couldn't defend themselves, or if the entire thread got off topic, I would have to do some serious damage control. So, let's try not to let that happen. OK everyone? Oh, and perhaps for the sake of sanity, if nothing else, can we please get off of Isis Taylor's case? Some of you are clearly having trouble understanding her 'policy', but in the end it is indeed hers, and if you're talking about girls who won't do black guys, there are a countless number who have never worked with a black guy that you could be discussing instead. Alright? Alright.
So now you're quoting from neo-Nazi publications and passing them off as fact? Any hostile Gentile who presumes to lecture me on my own people's history winds up picking his teeth off the floor. Good thing for them they have the Internet to hide behind. Moderator - take note! Based on past history, you know where this is heading... Edited by - Sheldon on 9/26/2009 3:48:40 PM
Since they're unnamed, how do we know what they direct? Duh! And, do you have any facts to back up your conspiracy theory? I missed that in your response. It's obvious that IR dodgers will latch onto any excuse. Remove Hush Hush out of the equation, and the same performers that are dodging will still be dodging.
^ Sheldon please don't quote a quote of a quote of a quote. Just take the part you need from the quote and crop the rest. thx. (This applies to everyone else as well.)
RACE TRAITOR sounds like an Aryan Nations (or related) publication. That, coupled with the poster's snarling tone, set me off. Occasionally, some neo-Nazi outfits will attempt to confuse matters by claiming to be not like the rest. Lyndon LaRouche and his followers do this. Most recently, a whole bunch of white supremacists have been calling President Obama a Nazi and a Fascist (as well as a Stalinist) during the debate over health care reform. Mod, thanks for your response. I'll try to do better on quoting - my bad. Edited by - Sheldon on 9/26/2009 4:03:00 PM
^ Huh. Interesting. Anyway, with that out of the way, I feel I need to say that this thread ought, in theory, to have nothing to do with Judaism at all. I realize how it came up, but I think it would be beneficial to the thread and all involved if it went back down. (Not Judaism, but the discussion of it in this thread.) Let's get back on track, as I mentioned in my earlier post, & stick to the original topic. I have to go out (in fact I'm late), so everyone try not to go crazy while I'm gone. kthxbye.
I realize that it stems more from youth and maybe inexperience than animosity, but I think that the black men you are having this discussion with probably know better than you what it means to be a proud black man.
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 4:27PM
I was just about to tell you to READ AvaRoses post again and come back to me. But since you have problems reading, I don't know why I should bother. BUT I forever the optimist, I certainly believe that anyone can be educated, so I'll give it another try. SHE MENTIONED THE IR SEX MOVIES SHE HAS SEEN ARE ALWAYS SORDID & DEPRAVED. Now, which company you know that SPECIALISES in sordid, depraved, unflattering IR sex?? Which one Einstein?? [mod edit: cropped quote] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 9/26/2009 10:56:59 PM
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 4:42PM
Enjoy it, by the time all the shit-for-brains get done posting in this thread you will be lucky to hear from Ava here for another decade. You folks are lucky KillBill is moderating this. If it had been me I would have taken a flamethrower to this entire thread a long time ago. (KB, I don't mean that in a negative way toward you. I'm just saying my patience would have worn thin and I would have hit the self destruct button on this thread a long time ago.) Once you seen one IR thread on this forum you have seen them all. It's amazing how many people who post on a forum dealing with a business that gets shit on and harassed by the foaming at the mouth self-righteous do-gooders in the Justice Department on a regular basis have no understanding on the concept of freedom of choice.
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 4:44PM
google is your friend Sheldon. There's no excuse for ignorance anymore. I'm baffled how you read my tone as "snarling". This sure sounds like a neo-Nazi mantra doesn't it "RACE TRAITOR - treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity" http://racetraitor.org/ BTW I'm black.
You've answered your own question TUP... "Once you seen one IR thread on this forum you have seen them all." As long as the IR trolls have this thread, it makes no sense to close it, only to have them start another one. And, ALL IR threads become "this thread." [o\|] KillBill and I, and others, do keep an eye on this. If the lid starts to blow, you will see moderators step in. Killbillvol69 and HeyNow are the official moderators of the Porn Pool forum, and they will be the ones who decide if and when this thread is finished. We've reached the "quote, quote, quote, quote, quote" stage, which means that there is nothing left to say, and that it's pretty much people settling scores with one another. It's already next to impossible to follow who's saying what to whom anymore. If it wasn't for the occasional talent getting sucked into this, pardon me, black hole, this thread would have died a natural death. It's the Proverbial "don't feed the trolls" My advice to talent is to avoid this thread like the plague.
Really? So, not only does she choose not to do IR, but she also chooses not to post on ADT very often, and you've SOMEHOW conflated the two. Way to go, cyber-Pacino. Way to go.
1) Of course I read the post, Isaac Newton. But I was responding to your characterization of Hush Hush, not her comments, get that? Now how about you re-read THAT post, so maybe you'll see what I'm talking about. 2) Do not confuse opinion with fact. Just because you think a movie is sordid and depraved doesn't mean it is. Sexual fantasy in porn is not the same as a fictionalized mainstream Hollywood movie. 3) In the Hush Hush features I've seen, on camera, the black man is in charge, and the white women are depicted as subservient. That is one reason why white anti-porn radical feminists like Robert Jensen and Gail Dines are opposed to it. I can't help but root for porn that those two oppose. 4) You endorse a conspiracy theory positing that Hush Hush is intentionally giving cover to white women who are IR dodgers. I offered some historical perspective as rebuttal and you still have not offered any proof. Still waiting...
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 7:24PM
I understand freedom of choice very well. I also understand freedom of speech. Porn stars have the right to have sex with whom they please, and others (ie porn consumers) have the right to critique their choices. It's as simple as that. They have as much of a right to criticize performers as you have to call people 'shit-for-brain'.
You spewed some anti-Semitic nonsense about Jews not accepting anything less than 'pure' in broken English: it sounded like a drunken cracker blaming the Jews after being unable to get it up in the local cathouse. OK, so let's see now - "treason to whiteness" + telling the Jews off = the Wrath of Farrakhan. So you're a black National Socialist. Other that that, I'm sure you're a real peach. Feel better now? Edited by - Sheldon on 9/26/2009 7:37:50 PM
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 8:11PM
Are there a lot of black nationalists on this forum?
This thread has devolved into some bullshit, as does every fucking IR thread. ----Dread----
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 9:43PM
Would Grip & Cram Johnson's IR movies be considered racist, because of the racial epithets in their titles?
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 10:00PM
I agree, I just said from that one statement she made back in the post somewhere was talking like she was full of it, maybe she could of chose better words, like some of the other pornstars that came on here to defend themselves could of chosen better words as well, horrible job at explaining, I dont care if a pornstar doesnt do black guys, because I watch black and IR porn, and there they mostly do black guys, lol. Makes sense you know what I mean? But its some of their excuses, its like dont pee on my leg and tell me its raining. But since then Isis taylor have gave more reason, so thats why I didnt mention her anymore, now them ROSE girls, oh boy, lol. Like I said Im NOT one of these guys who care, Im one of the guys who are more curious as to why they care. My list of black girls that dont do white guys keep getting ignored, LOL. But Im a say something that I have heard pornstars say before and that is there have been some on here that have said they were told by their agency not to do Interracial or hold off from doing it, because it might offend some people and blah, blah, blah. Now you could tell the pornstars "And you bought that." But if anyone is going to be accused of racist it is the ones who have told some girls that not to do IR or hold off from it because of the dumbest reasons. There are too many girls out there doing IR porn to care about the ones who dont; rather it be because they are racist or they just aint down, or dumb enough to listen to racist in the industry, still there are too many girls out there doing IR porn to care about the ones who dont. I mean do people actually watch www.blacksonblondes.com or www.mydeepdarksecret.com www.fuckmefilthy.com 3 of the hottest interracial porn sites out there, if anybody were to subscribe to them sites and watch those, we wouldnt be having this conversation. Especially if anybody ever seen that Sadie West blacksonblondes scene, that was fire. But I was always curious as to why my fellow black brothas, lol Care about it to this extent.
Well, that's why I typically avoid these threads. In matters of race, nothing ever really gets "settled." It usually goes something like... Black folks: "Wait a sec...something ain't right." White folks: "Oh? What's wrong?" Black folks: "I'm being held to a different standard than you are!" White folks: "Nonsense. It just seems that way because you were paying attention. Maybe you should just go back to ignoring how you're being fucked over. Sound good?" Black folks: *shrug* "Okay." White folks: "Great! 'Til next time, K?" Black folks: *utterly placated, exhausted and defeated* "Fine." I've simplified racism a bit here, for the purposes of reader stamina and bandwidth, but not by much.
I was prepared to close this thread after I saw empirical evidence of Godwin's Law, but the humour and general lighthearted tone of the last couple of posts has saved you guys. Barely. Here's what needs to happen: 1. Everyone take a deep breath. 2. Stop sarcastically calling people Einstein or Newton, and stop seriously calling people Nazis. 3. Don't quote a quote of a quote of a quote. 4. Smarten up people. A discussion is not the same thing as an argument. 5. Recognize that the first half of Mia Rose's post was quoting someone else. SHE was disagreeing with it as well. 6. Leave Judaism out of this. Seriously. Carry on. [edit: added another point.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 9/26/2009 11:00:11 PM
Of in a tangent again are we?? Why do you find it hard to stick to the issue instead of building strawmans when you know you’ve lost the argument, huh?. Hush Hush DOES specialize in the type of IR porn that's crass, revolting and racially offensive. The sinister RACIST secret agenda of Porn companies like Hush Hush FACT: all the white girls are coerced in calling the Black man the 'N word'. There was one particular girl said she didn't believe in using racial epithets but was told if she wanted the job and to get paid, she must do it. FACT: check out the CRASS titles. 'Abominable Blackman',. 'My Daugher is fucking a N__gger', .'I Love Jerking Off Ni**ers', The same boxcover says "Over 10 Girls Jerking Off the Jungle Brothas". These titles above goes beyond the simple parody of racial stereotypes - it punches you in the gut with direct slurs. Even the asteriks cannot obscure what is obviously the "N-Word". Furthermore, the term 'Jungle Brotha' summons up the awful trope of the beastly/animalistic black male. HUSH HUSH directors always portrays Black males as the beastly animalistic savage. It is dated back to the old racist stereotypes of White racists against black people in the early 1900s when they feared that Black men would rape their White women. [mod edit: bullshit Blacks vs Jews stuff removed.] The FACT of the matter is Hush Hush is not only intentionally giving cover to white women who are IR dodgers, but they are 'turning off' potential women who would like to indulge in IR. [mod edit: cropped quote] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 9/27/2009 1:28:19 AM
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Posted - Sep 26 2009 : 11:44PM
supadupa dude im on both those sites... www.fuckmefilthy.com (both with scenes with ethan and prince... ethan is my husband) and www.mydeepdarksecret.com haven't you realized??? thank you for finally laying off my back. sheeesh.
I must say that for awhile this thread had become a little too deep...I find it interesting that unferth who by the way started this thread, doesn't have much involvement in it....I'd like to chop it up with him as well. Now, I want to address the people who have a problem with people (myself included) expressing their displeasure with the dodgers..etc. This thread is titled ''she won't do black guys'' so if you all have so much of a problem with us, why do you even post or reply in this thread?..and when you do, aren't you all doing the very same thing that you're accusing us of?...which is complaining about how much we complain. I noticed that a lot of men here put porn stars on a pedestal, and you have a right to do so if you please. However, I'm one that calls it like I see it, and that doesn't sit well with some people, but I have a right to do so as well. Now, as long as this thread is around, I'm thinking that we'll continue to discuss the same thing, and females that we've been discussing. Btw, I'm sure that there's a thread devoted to Isis love, Alexis Texas, Cynthia Bang, Elena Heiress, Ava and Mia Rose, and all of the other porn stars who are full of s!@$...Maybe those threads are better suited for you all, because I, and I'm thinking that the other men who feel like me will not be there.
CapitalM Again, its as I said before. Most don't have a problem with you stating your opinion and discussing things like this. To some point I agree with some of you. Not your tact or behavior. But some of you have made valid points. Just as KB and some others have said. There have been good points made on both sides of the spectrum. I also call girls out on things they do that I feel are wrong or are wrong period. The problem arises when people call these ladies racist with no proof, no facts, no justification. They just do it because that said pornstar won't do what they want. I think that is . If you have solid, valuable, legitimate proof that a girl is a racist(ie; A picture of her at a Clan meeting, or burning a cross, etc) then by all means tear her a new one. But when people base accusations like that on assumptions, that is when it becomes a problem. *****The Dr. of Nasty*****
Maybe I missed something, but... Why is there so much hate for Mia Rose and Phoenix Marie in a thread called "She won't do black guys"? Personally, I'm about through with this thread. It's just people arguing for arguments sake with most of the posters just talking out their asses.
Another thing I forgot to mention is the disrespect shown torwards these ladies. All the snide remarks, comments full of malice and the need to try to vilify these girls is also a problem. I know most of you wouldn't like it if someone said half the things you said to these girls to you. *****The Dr. of Nasty*****
Digital Devil, You've missed, a hell of a lot, and I see that you're not feeling this thread, which makes me wonder why someone such as yourself even opens it, when you know what the heading is. There are people on both sides of the fence here, and it gets pretty intense..I say that we agree to disagree.....can't we all just get along?..lol
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Posted - Sep 27 2009 : 1:29AM
Nr Nasty, this is no disrepect to you, but seriously, come on man. You've got to be joking right!!! Are you trying to say that you HAVE to be seen in a Klan meeting or burning a cross to be known as a racist???. Did you not know that, just your words, attitude and actions will call you out as being a racist?. You say you're a Blackman, OK, but I notice you are so quick to jump to the defence of girls who play racial politics against Blackmen. (Now, I didn't say the word racist) I said racial politics, because that is what it is. Plus, you seem to put porn girls who wouldn't even give you a second look on an extremely high pedistal. Why??
Dr Nasty, Greetings, you seem to be intelligent, and cool therefore I'm going to continue to respect you, and your opinions. I must say that I found it funny when you stated that we should be able to provide proof that seem of these women are/were racists. Proof such as, pictures of them at a klan rally, or burning a cross..that's good S!@#..lol. Now on a serious note, I don't see why we can't agree to disagree, because as you stated, when we (well I'll speak for myself here) have our minds made up, there's no changing it, and you were right when it comes to me. I respect women, but I'll admit that some of the things that I've said might have been a little harsh, but that's me. I call it how I see it, and not how I, or someone else wants it to be. I've never referred to them as S!@ts, W!@res, or B!@ches, I've actually referred to them as porn stars, and I think that's saying a lot...in actuality, just because they do porn, doesn't mean that they're stars. Oh, I wouldn't have a problem if someone talked to me, the way that I've talked to them, because real recognizes real, and I give respect when respect is due. However, if you're full of S!@# I'm going to call you out, and you have a right to do the same thing to me...we could actually have a sit down, and talk it out Edited by - CapitalM on 9/27/2009 4:53:13 AM
@MrLongStiff: well, good job, you broke my rules #3 & #5 above, and I'm guessing you didn't give much thought to #1 either. You'll notice that I edited your post. Please go back, take a look, see what you did wrong, don't do it again. But as a person and not a mod, I have to say that your argument doesn't make a lot of sense. How can a company be trying to keep girls from doing IR, if they make a living by getting girls to do IR scenes? Surely, if nothing else, they want to stay in business. If they have no ethics at all (which they have been accused of in the past by other ADT members), wouldn't they at least have as their mission to make money? It doesn't seem to make sense to deliberately eliminate your potential talent pool. If anything, I could see someone accusing Hush Hush of playing into these racist stereotypes not to eliminate the talent pool, but rather to feed a racist customer base that they've found makes them money. Appealing to a 'lowest common denominator', if you will. But I feel I have to ask something else here: how can something be a 'conspiracy' if only one company is doing it? In the famous words of Mandy Patinkin's Inigo Montoya from The Princess Bride, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." I believe the term you're looking for is 'ulterior motive'.
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Posted - Sep 27 2009 : 2:20AM
To killbillvol69 I honestly didn't glance your rules on this page when replying to sheldon. My bad. Now regarding to rest of your message. If you read my post again, you'll see I didn't mention the word 'conspiracy', that was Sheldon's accusation about my post. The word I actually used was 'secret agenda' which is the same as ulterior motive. Now regarding shortening you costemer base, Hush Hush is doing what crooked Politicians and hard drug peddlers do. Pretend you're for something when your actually against it BUT you'll make money from doing it anyway. The idea is:- 'IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF SOMETHING, YOU CAN MAKE MONEY DOING IT'. Crooked White politicans who ship in hard drugs, guns, and create unemplyment for usually the Black areas they represent will make their money doing it, coupled with the fact that they don't like Blacks anyway. They know that many Blacks will kill themselves off in the process, killing off their voting and costomer base. So in other words, Hush Hush is killing 2 birds with one stone. To make IR unattractive, 'deliberately eliminate the IR talent pool' and yet make money from doing this at the same time. Case in study: The two Jamaican political parties headed by White leaders and their Black henchmen of the 1970s and 80s. TENS OF THOUSANDS of Black people died in gun battles for control of the different areas. Both parties lost a great deal of their voting base. The White party leaders didn't care, they just imported more gus and more cocaine and let the poor Blacks fight each other for crumbs.
. If you have solid, valuable, legitimate proof that a girl is a racist(ie; A picture of her at a Clan meeting, or burning a cross, etc) then by all means tear her a new one. But when people base accusations like that on assumptions, that is when it becomes a problem.