Now see Julia, I think you brought up my #1 issue and beef. There are always some who tell me or others these kinds of attitudes don't exist or are somehow rare. Funny thing is though, is that whenever I'm somehow involved in conversations like these with porn actresses of some kind of higher "stature" in the industry, your experiences seem to be somewhat similar to theirs. Why is a guy like Prince somehow held to a different standard? And are guys like him being unfairly excluded simply because of ignorance or outright prejudice.
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^I think we all already know the answers to your questions.
^Exactly, it's basically the same question asked all the time. Prince is the second best black male performer in the biz (you can make an argument for the best). He's usually behind a lot of great IR scenes. Edited by - xayhoundb on 6/9/2009 1:50:11 PM
You grew up in San Francisco? What do you mean? The imagery of this made me chuckle a bit I admit. Or was it just that everyone extraordinarily happy all the time?
I don't know where he'd rank with me, but he is a guy I thought I'd see more often and in more featured things. Could be he simply works as often as he wants to, I don't know. Still makes me wonder though.
^ Well, I know he's exclusive now, and directing his own stuff over at Justin Slayer International. But before that, It seemed he only worked with a few companies anyway.
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Posted - Jun 11 2009 : 12:17PM
They do scenes all the time with people they don't find attractive, so it's as has been said previously, they don't have any legitimate reasons to not work with Blacks.
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I am very appreciative of your open mindeness. Honestly, I don't hold it against women performers if they don't want to have sex with black guys. Perahps they find us unattractive. It's okay, there are plenty of white women who do find us attractive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As a black man, I agree and take it a bit further. If the cream of the crop will do scenes with black men, I can't get the energy to care about the ones don't. Ok, maybe I want Carmella Bing and Alexis Texas, but the rest who don't..that is their choice. A choice I find silly at best, given the fact they are having sex, what some might consider degrading. You'll perform a gang bang but not do a black guy? Fucking guys like the hedgehog Ron Jeremy, but not doing IR? Yea, ok. And as far as the money goes, it seems to me girls ought to be worrying about production and branding than whether or not IR will damage them. How much does Belladonna make? Gianna, Jenna Haze [mod edit: I cut off some of the dotted line because it was fucking up the width of the thread] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 6/12/2009 4:24:46 PM
^ Some of the decisions are the starlet's choice, but I find most of it to be a business decision. Porn (Mostly American Porn) is still a racist business, and if you don't think so.. get a reality check. Edited by - xayhoundb on 6/13/2009 2:31:23 AM
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Posted - Jun 13 2009 : 4:04AM
The attraction thing will forever be bull. How can these women find every none black guy on this planet attractive? Of course there are male performers but thats what porn women are saying because you can literally throw any none black guy in front of them and they will fuck them. And if its about attraction? How is it that there is no black girl in porn who wouldn't screw white boys? Everyone knows there aint no way, in the real world, every black girl really likes them. I hardly ever see black girls with white boys in the real world. I mean even with girls who i know prefer blacks off camera and have there whole life such as Brittany Angel, still will fuck any and every man put in front of them even though they aren't ATTRACTED to them. funny how that works ughh? Just look at bangbros, fuck team 5, were these women, such as nikki rhodes, jessica lynn, mason moore, beverly hills carmella bing, alexis texas, emily parker, fuck and suck on random asians and mexicans without any problem, Girls who wouldn't touch a black guy but will fuck any none blacks on earth. I asked 2 actual directors and a porn photographer how many girls wont do I.R. They all said around 70-80% wont do interracial. I said does that also mean no asians, latinos, or other minorities besides black. They all said no, just no blacks. Dont ya think its kinda odd for so many women 2 single 1 group out? In the real world theres this thing called balance. Some girls like whites, some blacks, some asians, some latinos ect...its not "i find every guy attractive on earth as long he isnt black" nahhh. And not only that, whatever race they prefer, they still have a type guy in that race they like. Tall, skinny, long hair, short hair, tats, thug or good guy ect. And they still find plenty of men in that race to be very ugly. Like has been said, these women can fuck and suck on whoever they choose. But in other words of pen and teller, if they actually claim to find all these random men they fuck sexxxy just because they're not black....they are speaking BuLLshit. ;) peace out.
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It's hard to have these conversations without generalizing. I hate racism. My twin brother and sister who are still in elementary school are half white/ half black and I would freak if anyone said anything wrong to them. But, let's try and not take all the girls and be angry for their decisions. There will always be those that are racist and by that I mean...full on ain't going to fuck a n%@#a, racist. Ok, we can which them off the planet, but that's really hardly ever the case. When I started in the industry it was really frowned upon and I mean that if your fans got wind of "you may fuck a black man", you got hate mail and it felt very threatening. I know, this happened to me. As much as I hated it, I didn't feel it was worth my safety to do a job. Even cable companies were afraid to broadcast the IR scenes for threats of bombing, especially in the bible belt. Now, even though there has been progress there are still many reasons why girls don't do IR. One is the industry still has a price tag on a black man. Women are told to hold of on IR because they will get more money for it later, similar to anal, dp's, etc. You all are very much apart of this. The more clamoring there is about seeing a girl do IR...In fact, your even labeling it as IR implicates that the black man is different than a white man. That alone is a big problem. In the same sentence that you complain about a white girl will fuck any white guy but won't do IR, you are saying that the black man isn't an equal man to a white man, he is now IR. This climate has been perpetuated by the viewer. I'm not saying racism is your fault, it is all of our faults for perpetuating it for money and pleasure. Back to the girls. Many girls don't have sex with black men (or women for that matter) because there may be a family dilemma. Don't forget that parents are older and have may more racism in them than the newer generation. Some may have husbands or boyfriends that have a problem with it and yes some just may not find darker skin attractive. A few girls have trouble with bigger penises and let's be honest, most of the black men you want to see in action are very hung. Jack Napier almost made my two holes one. Many girls do have yes and not lists so that they only work with men that there is an attraction for. There are so many individual reasons. Try not to be too harsh and understand the role you play in it as well. Some of you get angry about what the girls will do and what they won't do, but then you don't seem to hear the horrible sexism that comes out of you when you talk to or about the beautiful girls that aren't living up to you desires. It's very degrading at times and often there is a subhuman view us of. We aren't lifeless soulless dolls. Try and just love what we do. The more you praise efforts the more you get back. Edited by - Julia Ann on 6/13/2009 2:01:07 PM
TUP, Fuck you! Smug bastard. That felt good. I think I'll do it again. Fuck you and all the backward, small minded assholes like you. Sincerely, Big Black Cock Edited by - ntfighter on 6/13/2009 2:25:22 PM
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Julia Ann mentions the bible belt areas that have problem with IR. Those areas are most likely Republican Conservative areas. So, white girls who do Interracial or cable companies are getting flacks from these people of the south and some from the rural area of the midwest. That explains the right wing, racists white males, who shoot up places like that Jewish Museum in D.C. I'm telling you, folks, I'm begining to really hate Conservatives with their stupid racists values. Did they know, history tells us, that Jesus was a dark skinned Jew from the middle east. Not some, pale white male with blond hair and blue eyes.
I understand there can be and often are many reasons why some won't work with black guys or whomever really. That part doesn't bother me that much, since the majority of porn women I like watching don't have such issues. I know the difference between personal preference and bigotry. I also respect a woman's or man's right to chose. I don't think it's always fair and can be mired in udder ignorance sometimes. It is what it is though! If I know or believe someone is being unfairly excluded when the opportunity is obviously there, it's harder for me to just look the other way or act like I didn't hear about it. I never confront or attack any performer online, in person, or through the mail. It's their body and only they have a right to say how they ultimately use it. I hold porn companies and producers to a different and higher standard though, especially when it comes to hiring or not hiring based on discrimination, as I've always have.
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Not to sound naive, but are you sure you're not overexaggerating just a tad? Maybe all the hate mail comes from that one same deranged guy in a prison cell somewhere.The problem with that is that by the time those girls finally decide they're going to do it, which is usually an attempt to save their dying careers, nobody is interested in seeing them anymore. Plus, it comes off as "too little, too late."To the contrary, this is the industry's doing. The consumers are just observing what the industry has already been doing for a long time. If I had my way, there would be no separate niche attached to IR. It would just be porn, plain and simple. It's the industry, not the consumers, that is desperately holding on to this IR nonsense. Even if 99.9% of porn viewers reported that they enjoy IR as much as non-IR, I guarantee that the industry would still tell girls not to do it.That excuse never ceases to be funny.
There will always be those that are racist and by that I mean...full on ain't going to fuck a n%@#a, racist. Ok, we can which them off the planet, but that's really hardly ever the case. When I started in the industry it was really frowned upon and I mean that if your fans got wind of "you may fuck a black man", you got hate mail and it felt very threatening. I know, this happened to me. As much as I hated it, I didn't feel it was worth my safety to do a job. Even cable companies were afraid to broadcast the IR scenes for threats of bombing, especially in the bible belt. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not to sound naive, but are you sure you're not overexaggerating just a tad? Maybe all the hate mail comes from that one same deranged guy in a prison cell somewhere. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Julia's Response: What's over exaggerating? I had fans that threatened me and don't down play my being threatened for any reason. I only hope it was just one guy, but I don't know that to be true and neither do you. It's a point to be made. That's all that was said. I didn't make it extreme. I never said all of or so many. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, even though there has been progress there are still many reasons why girls don't do IR. One is the industry still has a price tag on a black man. Women are told to hold of on IR because they will get more money for it later, similar to anal, dp's, etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem with that is that by the time those girls finally decide they're going to do it, which is usually an attempt to save their dying careers, nobody is interested in seeing them anymore. Plus, it comes off as "too little, too late." _____________________________________________________________________________________________ Julia's Response: I don't find that to be true all that often. I got to an age where my experience in life coupled with a change of racial climate in our industry made me say...to hell with doing what others wanted me to do or not do. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You all are very much apart of this. The more clamoring there is about seeing a girl do IR...In fact, your even labeling it as IR implicates that the black man is different than a white man. That alone is a big problem. In the same sentence that you complain about a white girl will fuck any white guy but won't do IR, you are saying that the black man isn't an equal man to a white man, he is now IR. This climate has been perpetuated by the viewer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To the contrary, this is the industry's doing. The consumers are just observing what the industry has already been doing for a long time. If I had my way, there would be no separate niche attached to IR. It would just be porn, plain and simple. It's the industry, not the consumers, that is desperately holding on to this IR nonsense. Even if 99.9% of porn viewers reported that they enjoy IR as much as non-IR, I guarantee that the industry would still tell girls not to do it. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ Julia's Response: It is a circular event. The industry wouldn't even bother to spend the extra 2cents to write IR or publicise a girls first IR if the sales numbers didn't show that enough consumers were drawn in by it. The industry works off the public view. Racism was alive and well before the industry was able to market anything. It is supply and demand. You need to read more of what's being asked for. I'm getting asked to work with Ben English or Manuel Ferrara and do more IR. Notice that the white guys have a name. That's not the industry requesting. Last, we all feed off each other. We are all responsible for the perpetration. I was addressing the viewer because it's the viewer in the forum that get's annoyed with the girls for not making the decisions they want her to make. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many girls don't have sex with black men (or women for that matter) because there may be a family dilemma. Don't forget that parents are older and have may more racism in them than the newer generation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That excuse never ceases to be funny. [Link] _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Julia's Response: I'm sorry you find any of it funny. I'm around the girls and hear their issues. It's not always so black and white (no pun intended). Many factors are involved. I'm sorry you lack understanding for everyone stuck in the cycle of racism, sexism and bigotry of any type. You can try to believe anything you want, but won't change the truth of my experiences.
I find it very obnoxious when things get left out so someone could try and make their point. You only fight with me about saying the viewer has perpetuated the cicle, but you leave out my saying " I'm not saying racism is your fault, it is all of our faults for perpetuating it for money and pleasure."
true 1) she has magnificent natural tits BTW 2) She is tiny, maybe they are just way to big for her to handle 3) Isn't that attitude that "they make less money if they do IR" just a little too 1990's? Who doesn't do IR nowadays that's big? and does anyone really care if someone does it or not. Oh, no she's in IR...shock, horror! (yawn) Edited by - algaliarept on 6/14/2009 5:35:02 AM
hmmm... The man hated Israel, Neocons, wanted to bomb "The Weekly Standard"...yep, a real right-wing idealogue that one. He was just a nut, plain and simple. Crazy people do crazy things sometimes. Maybe we should shout and make the same connections on the otherside between Keith Olberman, Paul Krugman, Janeane Garofalo, et al everytime ELF commits arson, or an avowed convert shoots up an Army recruiting station killing an innocent Private. Edited by - algaliarept on 6/14/2009 5:53:17 AM
Ms.Ann, I haven't read through this entire thread, but I'd just like to take the time to say 'thank you' for giving us brothas a shot at you as of late. And your comments on Twitter are cute and funny.
Who exactly are you talking to, because you really never make that obvious. Also, you remove usernames from quotes. [edit: not needed] Edited by - xayhoundb on 6/15/2009 2:51:34 AM
Where do you come from?I don't know. To me, it sounds like the mother who decides that she's only going to feed her family chicken everyday without giving them a choice in the matter. Then, when the family becomes accustomed to it, she says that she only feeds them chicken because that's the only thing they like. Perhaps consumers respond to the IR niche because it's the only choice they have as far as multiracial porn goes. It's either you watch the all-white video, or the IR video where you are beaten over the head with the fact that it's IR. It's not that I don't like IR. I do like it. I just don't like the way the porn industry treats it, as if it's on the same level as bestiality.True. But the problem is that while every other industry has since progressed beyond blatant racism, the porn industry is the only one that still insists on embracing and perpetuating it. If we use the porn industry as a model for race relations, one would think that we were still living in 1860.I can't speak for anyone else's experiences. But the truth of the matter is that I indeed have no patience or understanding for such things. As far as I'm concerned, there's just no excuse for it.
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Posted - Jun 15 2009 : 6:19AM
Well actually Von Brunn despised neo-cons because he felt they were dominated by Jewish people, as well as the Weekly Standard. So he wasn't against conservatives he was just anti-semitic. Furthermore, as is already known, he posted some rant against the President on freerepublic, a known Republican website, that received a lot of support from the people there, and he's also posted on a Ron Paul site, and Paul is of course a republican and received a lot of republican support in 2008. So Von Brunn is quite obviously a republican. Now some Republicans might try and compare their hyperbolic and dangerous rhetoric to what's being said by some on the left, but Fox News has Bill O'Reily who was denigrating the abortion doctor Tiller for years before he ended up being shot by a right wing nut, and they also have Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity ranting every night using inflammatory and dangerous rhetoric that fires up deranged right wingers at home until they act out based on what they've heard, which seems to be happening frequently. There's no equivalent on the left to the right wing propaganda organ that is Fox News and talk radio spewing their hate filled content night after night. So if you want to compare left wing people spiking trees with right wing nuts shooting people, calling for secession, praying for elected officials deaths, and threatening revolution all because they lost an election then you can do that, but you'll find the comparison to be off.
Julia Ann mentions the bible belt areas that have problem with IR. Those areas are most likely Republican Conservative areas. So, white girls who do Interracial or cable companies are getting flacks from these people of the south and some from the rural area of the midwest. That explains the right wing, racists white males, who shoot up places like that Jewish Museum in D.C.>> Leave it to we Americans, to get political on a porn forum. Frankly, I'll roll with John Stagliano and the Libertarians. Which if you want to get in to it, is the only truly open minded political party. See the interview with the aforementioned Stagliano and comments about Extreme Associates etc. But I digress. If you think Republican Conservatives are uptight about IR, you haven't been traveling lately. Certainly not to enclaves like Salt Lake City or much of Texas. Those white women can't keep their hands off black men. Not that I'm complaining. Stars that won't do IR don't strike me a bigoted. To the contrary, I just find them boring after a while. It's not unlike those who refuse to swallow, do anal, threesomes, sex with someone other than their partner, or girls who will only do girls. Part of the escape, that is porn; is knowing that these women have fewer barriers than those in the mainstream. We aren't talking degrading, but just open. Giving head, but not swallowing, or taking a facial shot is something I can find down the street. How many guys have been waiting for Alexis Texas and Gianna to do anal? And goodness knows watching Holly Haston (as beautiful as she is) do Troy over and over again is numbing. Well, a girl who won't do a black guy also has a hang up. And hang ups aren't sexy. Look at Juli Ann who has frequented this thread. She always had those looks and style where we could imagine her being a mainstream star. Beautiful, but in that tall, good looking soap actress way. Then I'm in the video store one day, and I see a Lex video, with her in it- an instant rental. And now I see her as the hot, grown ass woman that she is. There is something about interracial, that while it may no longer be taboo, is damn sexy.
Realtip, While I agree with you in...I don't like the obvious marketing of the IR (Which BTW isn't really IR. IR would actually encompass a scene with Kaylani Lei and myself, but we don't label that. It really means black men with white women), we will have to disagree on the "What came first?" portion. As Well, we will have to disagree on this being the only industry blatantly marketing racism; The music industry in infamous for the same crime and that's just one major example. We could take some time and go through everything from entertainment to restaurants. You say you don't having understanding for such things and that is unfortunate. Understanding on every level for everyone (Don't mistake understanding for agreeing) would be helpful in all matters of racism and sexism. If there was more understanding there would be less of all this crap. Last...to expect everyone to fight the fight the way you want them to is controlling and unreasonable. I would never expect an 18 year old girl who's trying to make a career to be on top of the racism or sexism issue. If she is great, but I'm not going to push my feelings on her. I guess the best way for you to make your point is to not buy any of it. Solutions start with ones own actions. You boycott it and that's a start. As long as your buying it you have no place to argue about having no tolerance for it. You are not only tolerating it, but supporting it and driving it.
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There's always been sexiness in tall dark and handsome. I don't find the majority of our girls to be racist either. Everyone' s just trying to make the right decisions for themselves. I was trying to lend some understanding to this thread and got caught up in a debate with realtip. It's all good. This is how we learn and grow.
You pretty much summed it up.. I do know a BW who is light skinned but she refuses to date guys darker then her.. but I will keep this short.. I don't have an issue with the IR stuff.. I've dated outside my race however it tends to make BW crazy and on a rampage then they try to get back at you too much drama for me.
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Posted - Jun 16 2009 : 12:47AM
It might be helpful if someone could define what black is? Are we talking about Halle Berry black or Mandingo black?
humm so i'd be a tri-racial scene lol, this whole thread reminds me of the old days when i had white girls dads and brothers coming after me wanting to kill me.in a sick way i kinda like it.things have gotten better but Racism will always be here,and anyone who thinks other wise is delusional.shit, Shane Diesel makes $ off that in a way,at the end of all the scenes on his site "my daughter is fucking a N@#$%" with cum dripping off there faces he asks them what would you dad do if he knew you fucked a n@#$%? and they all say"he'd fuckin kill me!!
Yes! To further clarify, I'd say I was also talking Sean Michaels black and Jake Steed black. Seems simply enough to me. Edited by - aplus on 6/16/2009 3:49:01 AM
@ClamDigger: please refer to what the administration had to say about it the last time you tried to derail a thread by questioning what is "black", or claiming there's no such thing as "black", or that believing in the idea of "black" people is racist, etc: Adult DVD Talk Forum Post
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You might have to elaborate on that example in order for me to get it.I don't understand it because it's irrational behavior. Although I know why it happens, I can't understand, or grasp, why it has to happen. I don't comprehend how any semi-rational human being can still hold onto such archaic fallacies. To understand it means to understand the irrational. I can't understand how people can think this way anymore than I understand why someone would decide to skydive without a parachute. I also think that saying we understand it only gives people an excuse to continue thinking that way.This is exactly why I don't blame the individual performers (atleast not as much as I used to) as fully as I do the industry as a whole. However, even an 18 year-old newbie should have enough to sense to know how ignorant it makes her sound to go around broadcasting that she doesn't like black guys.... or white guys, or Latin guys, etc., for that matter. Personal preferences are one thing, but this is business.If I don't watch it, then it's simply because I usually don't like it. It has little to do with taking any type of political stand or boycotting anything. If the porn industry wants to continue making this brand of IR to appeal to the customers who like it, then OK. I'm not saying that it shouldn't. At the risk of sounding hypocritical, I also enjoy watching a Blackzilla or Manaconda movie from time to time, and I think Shane Diesel and Richard Mann are both great performers. However, what I would also like to see is more IR that doesn't necessarily require all the epithets along with it. A little variety in the niche can be a good thing.Wow! That reminds me of the old "paper bag test" that I would hear the old folks talk about. I didn't think anybody after my grandparents' generation still adhered to that.
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Posted - Jun 16 2009 : 11:22AM
I ask a question. Are you uncomfortable in your own skin?
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