On the issue of who can be racist, anyone can be, and it has nothing to do with the societal power one group has over another. Although one group with more power can do far more damage, for example, cops, judges, principals, bankers, doctor, or government officials who are anti-black in their views can cause far more damage because of the power they wield than for example someone with a job with far less power. Also it's pointless to toss the words racism and racist around since no one will ever admit to it. David Duke for example says he's not a racist which demonstrates the absurdity of pursuing such a discussion. And as for the motives of girls of any ethnicity who refuse to work with Blacks, in the USA it's rather obvious that the motive is race, because mysteriously women in Europe, a continent which doesn't have the same despicable history of white behavior towards Blacks to the same degree, don't have any hangups about doing such scenes. And the repeated denials by some that racial animus isn't behind a seemingly "neutral" decision on who these girls choose to work with causes far more harm than good. Because when you can't admit what the problem is you certainly can't solve it. So if we accept that anti-Black sentiment is behind the racial discrimination in who works with whom it becomes obvious how to solve it, in the short term, directors can: 1. Bring women from other countries who aren't as tainted by Anti-Black sentiment to do such scenes And for the long term: 2. Wait another 3 decades or so for the intolerance against Blacks to recede further, while simultaneously those who are more open minded can push for greater racial tolerance in the industry.
One of the hottest classics "let Me Tell ya bout Black Chicks" was banned because it was precived as offensive by some, but I personally took it as a parody, You really should not take this stuff too seriously sometimes......look what it costs us. Censorship and porn do not mix! Retrogoboy Edited by - retrogoboy on 12/8/2011 5:24:22 PM
But I think it's worse to toss out the words to describe people/women who aren't really racist at all by people who've decided to call them racist solely based on whether or not they have sex with screen with a certain race. The logic behind this is incredibly faulty. There clearly are girls who have a plan of how they want to handle and progress their careers. If they have a plan to "pace" their career with doing certain things at certain times in their career. Every month/year there's a girl doing IR on screen for the first time. Sometimes the girl has been in the biz for months before she does IR and sometimes it's years. Just because the girl isn't doing IR as soon as some fans want to see it doesn't mean she's racist or that she even has anything against black men. If a girl is in the business for 2 or 3 years without doing IR and then starts doing it. Does it mean she was racist for those years she didn't do it then suddenly stopped being racist? Was she a racist who suddenly had an epiphany? How long can a girl go without doing IR before getting the racist label thrown on her? Is 2 months too long? Is two years too long? What about the white girls who have no problems working with black males but don't do it for various reasons? Are they racist by default? If they have people around them who would be upset by them doing IR should they risk upsetting/losing those people for the sake of a few fans? If they mostly work for studios that don't do IR movies/scenes should they risk employment by demanding to work with black performers? What if they only like working with a handful of specific guys? What if they been told to hold out on shooting IR scenes by people helping plot their caree? What if (as incredible as it may seem) they have nothing against black guys but just haven't gotten around to it because they don't have an IR obssesion like some fans obviously do?That doesn't actually solve anything. You'll just have more women shooting porn and the American women won't have to do anything differently. If 300 women from other countries were suddenly dumped into the American porn biz That doesn't mean VIVID, DP, BANGBROS would suddenly start shooting more IR porn. It just means there'll be more girls to not shoot IR porn with for the studios that don't shoot much of it and more girls for the studios that do.Again, not a "fix". Unless the porn veiwing audience drastically changes and the people who demand IR become the majority. As long as white males are the dominate audience I can't imagine you're going to see that much more IR product selling than it does now. It's not an "intolerance against black" as much as it's a preference by the majority of porn's audience to watch/buy mostly white on white porn.
I always find it interesting when I read people thinking that white people are out there plotting ways to keep black people down. While I'll admit that there are some white people who have a problem with blacks it seems the vast majority of them are fairly indifferent to blacks and don't spend much if any time worrying/thinking about them. Even the white people who don't care for black people don't really do much of anything to try and affect them.
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Posted - Dec 9 2011 : 1:31AM
Yes, and every year People magazine votes for sexiest man and woman alive. They are always white people and are the sexiest because it's just true.
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LOL, way to pull an article from the headlines and use that to portray some sort of epidemic. You want to know what's an epidemic? Housing discrimination. Steering one group of people from one neighborhood to another. Hiring one token person and claiming 'dey are takin r jobs' when a bullshit percentage of blacks are in corporate positions. And finally....labeling blacks as the only race in the entire world, then sticking it on a cardboard box and presenting it to porn as a product.
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Posted - Dec 9 2011 : 4:28AM
You really think it's an "obsession?" Well I'll explain it so there isn't any sort of misunderstanding on this matter. Men who watch adult movies want to see those who look like themselves in the scenes. So if most adult movies were Black on Black, Would that bother someone who is white who wants to see the girls he likes perform with white guys? Of course it would. And that is the fundamental issue. So what you see as obsession is simply a normal male behavior.It actually resolves the issue as well as it's ever going to be resolved, given the hostility to producing (Black/Any other race) scenes in the industry. And as for Vivid/DP, they're irrelevant in this discussion as they do primarily couples movies, not gonzo which is what most movies/scenes are. And bringing in women from other countries solves the main problem given that Non-USA women rarely have anti-Black psychological issues since they didn't grow up in this country.Again, it's as close to a fix as you're ever going to get in the industry. Because, 20 years ago would the rate of girls in the industry working with Blacks be at 30%, as it is now? No, it was likely around 10% if that. So in 30 more years the rate will be higher still as the older less racially tolerant generation dies off and is replaced by others who aren't as closely tied to the past. And if you're against either solution, what would you suggest? The status quo? Because that's not a situation that works. Edited by - Solar4 on 12/9/2011 4:30:53 AM
With some people it boarders on obsession. I'm black and enjoy seeing IR scenes. But what I see on thee threads are people who can't simply enjoy the IR porn and women who do IR, they worry about who isn't doing IR, search sites that give info on girls to determine who's doing it, worry about how "black" some performers are, get upset and caught up in the definition of what's "IR", go on girl's twitters, websites and messageboards asking certain girls when they're going to do IR, start threads about who they want to see do IR, start threads about how upset they are about the girls who don't do IR, and label girls who don't do or haven't done IR as "racist". This isn't the type of behavior and work of a casual IR fan. I see it as behavior that goes far above and beyond casual a IR fan Also, all people who are complaining about girls/studios that don't do IR or do what they feel isn't enough of it aren't doing it for the same reasons. Some guys want more IR because they're black and want to watch people of their color on screen. Some are white and enjoy seeing black males with white women. Some simply like the idea of a white girl being "punished" by a big black guy. Some people are just using porn to complain about what they see as racisim and no matter what the subject matter was they'd crowbar a racial complaining into it.Where did that rule come from? There's been plenty of complaining about the lack of IR VIVID and especially DP do. Why does it matter if it's "couples" porn? What? There aren't any black couples? Just because you've decided couples porn doesn't matter others do and talk about it.It solves nothing other than you'll have a few more performers who do IR. Just because a girl comes over doesn't mean they'll all end up shooting IR. What happens if they end up just shooting for BRAZZERS, WICKED, VIVID, DP or studios that most shoot white on white?It's not as simple as more girls who don't mind doing IR leading to more black performers and more IR being shot. It has to do with porn's audience changing, certain trends happening and certain performers becoming directors. The current MILF trend didn't happen because there just happened to be a lot of "older" performers hanging around in porn. It happened because it a new genre/trend became popular and "older" pornstars came back and new "older" women came in to cash in on the demand. The same with the big butt craze we have now.I'm not "against" anything. I just pointed out I don't see them "fixing" what you claim is a problem. Personally, I don't see all this as the terrible problem some people here do. If I never came to this site I'd have no idea what the percentage of girls who don't do IR was. For me personally I would've guessed about 80% of Gonzo guirls do IR because it seems most girls I discover and like seem to do IR. It seems to me that most of the major stars these days do it. The ones I come across that don't it don't bother me. Would it be better if more girls did IR? I guess, but for me there's so much IR porn out there with girls I like I could never watch it all so my desire for even more isn't that strong. I understand that some people feel different but that's where I'm coming from.
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Posted - Dec 9 2011 : 12:44PM
there's just some Caucasian's that will always think they're smarter than Us and everybody else.
Says the biggest racist in the thread ;) I've lost the count of how many derogatory comments this guy has made towards whites in his posts. Edited by - Emmetpunk on 12/9/2011 1:26:47 PM
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Posted - Dec 9 2011 : 2:20PM
Well I'm glad I could be your problem. I love it!
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Posted - Dec 9 2011 : 2:39PM
It's not possible for blacks to be racist in America? So there are no blacks that are wealthier than whites? Also, by this logic, that means that when a poor white person from another country comes to the U.S., that white person can be racist against wealthy American blacks, or any blacks in general who have more money than they do, right? Right? So if I were a white American who changed my citizenship and became a citizen of another country, and had a small bank account, could I then visit the United States and be as racist against blacks as I want, and be defended? Obviously, because that would go along with your stupid ass logic.And this is precisely why Americans are fucking idiots and can't be taken seriously, and American cultural and social norms should be mocked and insulted at every turn. I'm American, and I fucking hate the country I was born in, and always will. Edited by - dispo on 12/9/2011 2:45:33 PM
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Posted - Dec 9 2011 : 4:22PM
That's that Jedi mind shit Dogg, don't answer to any of that. That's coonin if u do.
Is this topic still entitled to stay in the porn pool? Looks like ot went way too far from its original post
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More women doing such scenes is the intent therefore it fixes the problem. As for ZZ, Wicked, etc..they can do scenes for them, but you'll have a newer group of women and in some cases better looking women who don't have any racial hangups and will do the scenes without a problem for other studios. And furthermore, directors won't have to pay them $4000 or more to get them to do it like they have to with certain girls currently in the industry.Well the persistence of these types of threads indicates that a number of people feel the bias against Blacks in the industry is a problem that needs to be resolved. And you do seem to be against fixing the situation by stating: 1. That the motives of virtually all girls who discriminate against Blacks are non-racial even when there's ample evidence to say that they are. 2. That it's fine to pay women more to do scenes with Blacks as if it were hazard pay. 3. That bringing in non-US women who aren't biased against Blacks to do scenes isn't worth doing. 4. That those who criticize the industry's policy of saying IR = any scene with a Black person, but other races are treated normally, need to basically get over it.
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Posted - Dec 9 2011 : 9:55PM
There's nothing offensive to me in seeing a black guy bang a white girl in a gonzo film. I don't even understand why interracial porn is treated as a niche because to me it isn't. However the roleplay behind certain scenes I can't stand at times. Those titles like Little Red Rides the Hood and websites like Interricial Blowbangs I find annoying and also sites like Cumbang which is the opposite by letting black girls fuck a bunch of confederate flag waving rednecks. I try not to pay attention to the plot and focus on just the sex but obviously there is a market for it and if it sells what the hell keep making it. Again for me interracial porn shouldn't even be a niche as it is just a guy and girl doing some fucking but i can understand why some may not like the sterotypical plots behind some of these black/white pornos.
I'm not trying to be funny here but I still don't understand how this "fixes" anything. I admit bringing in more girls will give you more pornstars willing to do IR but that doesn't automatically mean you'll see more IR because of it. Having 5 or 500 more girls in the industry more than likely won't make WICKED, DP, VIVID, etc., shoot more IR. For companies like WCP, BLACK MARKET, BLACK ICE, etc., who do shoot IR regularly they only shoot so much content per month or year. Bringing in more girls doesn't equal more content from them. They'll still only put out X number of titles or content each month/year. Meanwhile some of the American girls who do IR now will work less because there are more girls vying for those limited slots. WICKED, VIVID, DP, etc., will continue not doing much IR because they choose not to and they'll cherry pick from the girls brought over and have them work with white males...the same white males they always use. They won't care about IR scenes anymore than they do now. Their girls won't either. Jesse Jane, Jessica Drake, Nikki Benz, etc., aren't going to care that more girls who are open to IR are around. It doesn't affect the companies they do most of their work for so why should they? If IR in porn supposedly needs "fixing" shouldn't the companies and girls who don't IR be affected by this plan? The only people who will seem to be affected are the girls who actually do IR now. By bringing in more girls you've given them more competition for the parts they're getting now and very likely resulting in less work for them. Also...The girls who get $4000 a scene will still more than likely get that. That girl gets paid big bucks for a scene because of demand for her to do whatver. If a lot fans want to see Jynx Maze in a scene and the DVD or site will have better sales from it yes, a studio/director will pay her more to do it and if she knows her presence in a movie will make it sell more, of course she charges more and she should. Having more girls from other countries in porn doesn't make fans suddenly not care about seeing Jynx Maze anymore. During the porn boom of years ago more girls coming into the biz didn't mean less work or pay for Jenna Jameson.The persistence of these threads mostly show that people like complaining about what they want to see or don't like. There are numberous threads about girls not doing anal and girls getting implants also. Are those "problems" that actually affect the industry or merely "problems" for the people who don't like it? I wish we lived in a world where skin color didn't matter at all. But unfortunately some people have problems with other races. It's their right to feel that way. I really don't think most women in porn who choose not to have sex with black men are racist. If you went to court trying to prove they were with you're only evidence being the don't do IR scenes, I'm pretty sure you'd lose you case.What evidence would that be exactly? People who aren't sexually attracted or choose not to have sex with blacks aren't automatically racist. I've had close white friends who weren't attracted to black people but they weren't racist. They simply weren't attracted to blacks. I'm not attracted to Big women and don't want to have sex with them but I have no problems with them otherwise. So unless there's better evidence to offer up than a girl saying she doesn't want to do a scene with a black guy I'm not branding her racist.Porn is a business. These girls have a limited shelf life and have to make as much as they cane while they can. If the demand for a girl to IR is there and it will mean more money for the studio/director because it will sell more the girl absolutely deserves more money. She's the main attraction, why shouldn't she get paid more if others will benefit? Oh, and sorry to report but sometimes some IR stuff is actually a fetish for some.I've covered this already and still don't understand how you think it fixes this supposed problem.We agree that its not completely accurate but it's the way the industry labels those scenes and everyone understands it what IR refers to at this point. Why change it? Is it confusing people to the point thay can't find the type of porn they want? Does an industry that sells cream pies, fisting, urninating on people, bukkakke(sp) need to worry about being politically correct when describing sex between races? Is incorrect IR lablelling the thing holding porn back? Are performers refusing to do scenes because IR isn't only between black and whites? Are people going to buy more porn if it's labelled differently? No you don't need or have to get over it but it's an incredible waste of time dwelling on it.
I like scenes with black men fucking white women, but when it comes to black women in scenes.. come on, everyone worldwide both thinks and knows that a caucasian woman is the most beautiful thing you could ever get your eyes on. Never been proven wrong about that :)
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Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 2:23AM
TROLL.
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Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 3:17AM
100% opinion. A lot of the overseas girls are many times better looking and uninhibited than their American counterparts. What separates them is marketing and that's IT.I'm pretty sure he'd lose too, mostly because plausible deniability is a rule when it comes to racism. Nowadays in particular you can be a church and claim that banning an interracial couple from attending it doesn't mean you're racist. You can argue almost anything and it still means jack shit. Anybody with common sense can see when something is obvious.Ugh, the thousandth time with this 'not attracted' crap. Somewhere in the world is a black guy who looks exactly like Brad Pitt, that is the nature of nature and genetics. The only thing that separates him from the real Brad Pitt is darker skin and kinky hair. This ridiculous notion that as many black Adonises are out there somehow fucking Ron Jeremy is more appealing than them is just fucking goofy. Please stop. Black people have some of the best bodies on the planet, and comparing them to most of the Granpas who regularly bang these porn virgins is no comparison. If you're 'not attracted' then you have something against darker skin, period. If you can look over a gigantic belly, a guy who's 30 years older than you and a tatted up freak then please stop it with the weak 'not attracted' shit.Spoken like a person so disconnected from the issue that he can't understand why having sex with a darker person costs more. Really, just ignorant. So ignorant that you don't even understand how it can be.It's not accurate at ALL. Black is not the only race, period. That makes it 0% accurate. Then you go into 'but that's the way the industry labels it'. So what? And 40 years ago a certain industry labeled Bathrooms differently, back then you would've been wondering what the uproar was then too. The reason to change it is because it's not accurate because BLACK ISN'T THE ONLY RACE. Who cares what status quo you feel is important to keep in place? The problem is you and people like you who don't understand what the problem is. It's not your problem because it doesn't affect you, so therefore it's not a problem.Of course it is....for YOU. What's worse is you dwelling on the dwelling, lol. Edited by - Mr_Heatmiser on 12/10/2011 3:17:58 AM
Wouldn't call her beautiful, more like slightly above average i'd say. Come on, when the average person describes a beautiful women, which do they always use in their description, a woman with afro or a beautiful blonde vixen? ;) Edited by - Emmetpunk on 12/10/2011 5:02:52 AM
After your comments in this thread, and you call HBG racist? You should look in the mirror, troll. And try not to speak for others 'world wide'. 2 posters in this thread just disagreed with you. So there goes your 'everyone knows'..argument.
I love how NO ONE has commented on that guys derogatory comments against whites as being racist, but as soon as i express my opinion about caucasian women being more beautiful than african american ones, i get called a racist?! I'm happy i made this experiment to make a provocative post.. This thread has been open a long time, and HBG has been spitting out spiteful and derogatory comments a long time, and no one has reacted in jumping on him and calling him a racist, just calling him a troll, but ONE post in the same way, but associated with blacks instead of whites, and the racist remarks gets going. See how it works? This is how the world works nowadays.. say ANYTHING negative remotely in associated with black people, and you get jumped right away. But people are allowed to speak down towards white people all they want, which have been proven in this thread. Edited by - Emmetpunk on 12/10/2011 6:50:21 AM
What an amazing argument to comeback with, i'm stumped and i have no idea how to be able to top such a convincing argument as "you're thick" .. incredible.
Oh, i see you have edited and changed your argument 20 minutes after your compelling "you're thick"-argument. Why would it be trolling? Check the posts in this thread and tell me i'm wrong when i said that no one has been called a racist for making a derogatory comment against caucasians, but in one post i get jumped on straight away for saying the slightest thing negative about african americans.
Another amazing response, and it only took you 20 minutes to come up with.. a picture of an ass. Just admit that you have nothing to come with and move along since you can't even seem to be able to answer a simple question. Love people like you that lacks the intellect for an argument and goes ahead with namecalling and obscenities instead.
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Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 8:12AM
I think you are trying to be contrarian just to be contrarian, because you've consistently disagreed with any and all suggestions to resolve the current racial bias manifested by the industry. In fact you seem to like the racial degradation they impose on Blacks from their creating a segregated category called IR for any scene involving Blacks and not any other race, to paying women more to work with Blacks as if it was an extreme scene necessitating such pay. Furthermore, the bringing in of non-US women very likely will equal more content from the more open minded studios given that they'll have a wide range of women to choose from, they'll be able to shoot more, become more profitable, and will increase their shoot schedules. As it stands now, one of the main stumbling blocks for many of these studios is that they don't have enough high quality talent to choose from, bringing in racially open minded talent from other countries resolves that issue. As for the white studios, they're irrelevant in this discussion since they're not going to modify their discriminatory policies in the short term.Actually women getting $4k per scene with a Black person, which is despicable, likely won't continue if better looking or just as good looking women are brought in to replace them. So instead of waiting for Amy Reid to suddenly see the light on race relations and entice her with $4k (which is the rumored amount she was paid) studios can pay X girls from X non-US country $800/scene and save a lot of money and still sell just as many movies.I wouldn't compare racial discrimination to anal or girls getting implants. Furthermore, if girls are turning down scenes because they don't like Blacks then it's affecting their bottom line as well as that of studios so in that sense it is a problem that affects the industry that needs to be resolved.I'm sure your white friends tell you that so as not to hurt your feelings. Furthermore, I never said they were automatically racist, in fact I don't like tossing that word around since no one admits to it anyway. And it's inaccurate to compare this to preference based on weight, although interestingly larger women used to be preferred centuries ago in a number of countries. Now however they face discrimination so it's no longer socially acceptable to like them. So who one finds attractive is in fact in many cases shaped by the social milieu they grow up in. Now looking at the US specifically, since openly detesting Blacks is no longer socially acceptable, one has to dig a bit to understand motives. And when we look at the history of the US where whites had for centuries the right to outright own Blacks and learned that it was socially acceptable to do so, which shaped the thoughts of whites for many centuries and still does, it is quite logical to conclude that this shapes who these women find "attractive" and why such anti-Black sentiment doesn't exist to the same degree in other countries where such vile behavior never took place to such a degree. Now when one adds up that fact to the reality that when asked, some of these women will simply say they'll get around to such scenes eventually that they're "pacing themselves," or that they're not "attracted" to Blacks, we see how false such an explanation is. Furthermore, when asked if they find all their white/asian/latino costars attractive they say no. So the response, which you accept, that they're not attracted to Blacks and that's why they won't work with them simply isn't true. So when we add up the history of white behavior towards Blacks in the USA since it's founding to such blatantly false justifications for why these girls refuse to work with Blacks it becomes obvious that their motives are race based. That you refuse to accept this doesn't change that.I wholeheartedly agree. These girls do have a limited shelf life so refusing money to work with Blacks is actually financially counterproductive and illogical.Why change it? Because the term isn't applied equitably and it's highly disrespectful. And as has already been said, to the industry there are only 2 races: Blacks and everyone else. That's what IR implies and it's absurd. Edited by - Solar4 on 12/10/2011 8:26:21 AM
Haha proof that he needs pictures because he isn't even able to express a few words instead. The guy has no argument, he calls me a racist, and you stand behind him?
that's because whites have brainwashed others into thinking that fair skin/light eyes/hair is the beauty norm and many have fallen for it, but not all sweetie. You always are out trying to get plumper lips, darker skin (tanning/sun worshiping 'til u get cancer), boob implants, butt implants, and of course dying your hair blonde! anything to look other than what you are, not to mention your skin doesn't do too well when u get old due to the lack of pigment in it! There are beautiful women of ALL races, but for obvious reasons, Caucasian women get elevated above all other races!! What will you do when you are the new minority?? That will be the day .. .
Actually I haven't disagreed with "any and all" solutions, I've only disagreed with the "solutions" you gave because I don't think they'd work and I gave an explaination of why I don't think they would. I don't if you can simply make someone stop being racist or biased towards blacks. Those people just have to go through that process on their own. If you put a racist in a room and threaten him/her or punish them in some way their feelings won't magically go away. Take a Klan member and slapping him around won't make him stop hating blacks.That sounds like a simple answer but it's one that I'm afraid just wouldn't work in these present times. Porn sales are really down because of the economy and free porn on the net. Stores' DVD porn sections continuously get smaller and smaller. Most studios have cut their output way back. Some studios have started repackaging old scenes as new content. Simply having an influx of new girls doesn't mean there will be more units/scenes sold because people who actually pay for porn won't suddenly have more income to spend on it and the people watch free stuff will suddenly decide they'll start buying porn. A person who can only afford to buy X amount of DVDs or join X amount of sites will still buy the same amount of content the only difference is the content may be different. Instead of paying to see old favorite 3 times they pay to see old fav twice and new fav one.There's a shortage of quality talent in porn? And just because new girls are "racially open minded" does that mean they'll all be "high quality talent" or fans will want to pay to see them or people will prefer seeing them over the girls already here?
dude I'm a white European , I don't like 80% of the black women I see (nothing wrong with them but I don't like big asses and too many black women are built as such , though I don't like a big ass in a white woman either) but many of them are stunning beauties , and the most beautiful woman I ever met personally in my life is black. so please don't generalize, generalization often leads to bullshit for example Misty Stone: Also who do you believe I would pick up between these two? Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 12/10/2011 5:01:22 PM
And this is precisely why Americans are fucking idiots and can't be taken seriously, and American cultural and social norms should be mocked and insulted at every turn. I'm American, and I fucking hate the country I was born in, and always will. Edited by - dispo on 12/9/2011 2:45:33 PM [/quote] the rest of the world is right there with you mate
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This is why you have a problem with America? Not the ethnic cleansing of Native Americans, the enslavement and brutalization of Blacks for centuries, pogroms against Blacks such as those in Tulsa and Rosewood, the indifference and hostility towards the poor, the useless wars that costs trillions while money allegedly can't be found for solving issues such as homelessness, hunger, the pathetically high infant mortality rate, or healthcare access? So a disagreement over who can be racist, which is a side issue quite frankly, bothers you that much but not the actual atrocities listed? Edited by - Solar4 on 12/11/2011 2:57:53 AM
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Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 2:58AM
Actually you have disagreed with all proposed solutions because you don't think the degradation and discrimination of Blacks in the industry is a problem to begin with. Furthermore: 1. You don't think the industry practice of paying women more to work with Blacks is wrong. In fact you blame IR fans (presumably Blacks) themselves for the vile practice, absolving the industry of any responsibility, even though they're the ones wasting money on women whose careers peaked years ago. 2. You don't think a separate category called IR just for Blacks is discriminatory and wrong. You say that's just to be expected. Which again absolves the industry of any responsibility for a category of their own making. 3. You fully believe the women who say that the reason they don't work with Blacks is because they're not "attracted" to them even though when asked if they are attracted to most of their costars, concede that they're not, yet do such scenes anyway. 4. You disagree with the proposed fix of bringing in women from overseas who don't have racial hangups instead preferring I assume, the current policy of the industry where people wait years for women like Amy Reid or Jenna Presley to allow their eagerness for money to exceed their distaste for Blacks and finally decide to do IR scenes long after their popularity has peaked.Among those girls who don't have racial issues yes there is a lack of quality talent in the industry, which can be resolved by bringing in foreign women who don't have such problems.They're irrelevant because they have not the slightest intention of modifying their discriminatory and disrespectful policies towards Blacks so the easiest way to resolve that issue is to simply route around them, byt hiring better looking women from overseas and getting them to do scenes with other studios.It stops being despicable when there is pay parity regardless of the race of the people these women are paired with. It's not that difficult for these studios to do, but they just can't understand such a concept.Did they really want to see that from Amy Reid in 2011? Because if you look at her film releases they peaked years ago. Perhaps they wanted to see it in 2007 or 2008, but not now. Furthermore, She's been on a career downslide for around 2 years which explains why she did IR. Which is consistent with the behavior of other women who wait until their careers are virtually over to suddenly become racially openminded.Your sarcasm aside, the history lesson is necessary to make clear that there is a distinct and obvious reason why women of all ethnicities in the USA have a problem working with Blacks yet women in other countries without such a history don't. Furthermore, these women can be discriminatory and lose money if they wish. My solution was to route around their ignorance and bring in women from other countries who don't have such racial issues. A simple and efficient fix which is far better than waiting for years for girls like Amy Reid to finally decide to not discriminate and get paid $4000. Edited by - Solar4 on 12/11/2011 3:51:22 AM
i still dont get the arguement a woman is discriminating if she is open about being more attracted to her own race sexually? if the stars fuck people they are more attracted to, then the sex is better..so whats the problem? if a woman wants to fuck someone of a different race, whether she is black and that means fucking a white/asian/latino dude or a white chick fucking black/asian etc thats her choice to do so BUT those who choose not to shouldnt be looked down upon. I cant believe its got to the stage where people think a woman is racist if she doesnt fuck every race/nationality
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HollywoodBilderbergGroup Deactivated User
Undiscovered Genius 361 Posts 7/11
Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 10:21AM
it's not that so don't over-think it, at least i know i get it. i don't like my rappers White, i don't like my Politician's mostly being White but I'm not hating on them being there. i think most of you live a box and have a closed mind to what's what and what's not. Draxxx is simply stating his views on why HE like White women more, he never really answered the question about the obvious Racism in the Commercial Industry. Everything he's saying about White women I can literally say about Black women becuz I feel the same way he feels about White women as I do about Black women (for the most part, i damn sure didn't even read it all and don't plan on it either). And it's the same thing an Korean man can say about Korean women, Brazilian men can say about Brazilian women and all of the other nationalities out there (and vice-versa of course). That's not the point tho, not even in the least. most of u are trying to dodge and side swipe the argument becuz you already know what time it is. i respect an honest person who will come out and say that they're racist or prejudice more than i can with someone who tries to have a battle of words with you or hide behind their thin skin. basically to make a short story even shorter, i understand a white man's point of view on how he feels about his women. it's the same way i feel about my black women and the same way Lu Chong feels about his women. u guys are trying way too hard to make sense. It's human nature, not rocket science. Edited by - HollywoodBilderbergGroup on 12/11/2011 10:43:25 AM
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HollywoodBilderbergGroup Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 10:42AM
but you know what gets me tho? it's not like there's a census bearo for the 300+Million Americans who go around surveying people for what kinda porn they like and BUY and what they do and don't find offensive or feel like should be changed. at the end of the day people are focused on the sex acts itsself and not the plot, the plot is just something producers feel the need to do (i guess out of sheer boredom and artistry). if the plots were to change it would still sell, all of the other shit is extra shit noone cares for. i guarantee u that if u just showed the sex and the sex acts only it wouldn't change a damn thing, you might even get more views becuz people with 56K connections wouldn't have to sit there wasting time being forced to watch something they don't care about. a little flare is nice but 4 tha most part it's overkill, i think alot of people would agree. but don't get me wrong, categories make sense but let's keep it 100. black people are getting the short end of the stick with the stereotypical references and niches and we're excluded from the process.
???? My responses have nothing to do with why I like white women (I like all type of women) and I'm not trying to dodge anything. I'm responding to the questions/comments made by another person. Do I think there's racism in porn? There might be incidents I suppose but if there are I'm not hearing about them but then again I don't follow porn that closely. If anyone has some real stories from people who actually work in porn they can offer up in quotes and can show it's an regular ongoing problem then I'll change my stance. But if people are just going to talk about Wendy Whitebread not wanting to fuck Big Black Johnson as some sort of evidence that there's a racial problem in porn that shouldn't go on I don't accept that as a legit "racial" problem that's so horrible it needs "fixing". Is porn equal across the board for blacks and whites and other minorties? No. Some don't want to hear this but there's a simple reason why. Blacks are a minority. That means there aren't as many black people in the US. Which means there are fewer black porn viewers than white. It also means there will be fewer black performers than white. And some white people are funny in that they are like some black people and are more comfortable watching people like them have sex on film. So there will be more "white on white" content made and it will usually sell the best. "Black" porn can be profitable but overall it will never be ovemall as profitable as "white" porn. Because of the blacks smaller numbers it means blacks have less power and less presence compared to whites. And it would seem Latinos have even less and Asians probably less than that. Porn reflects the rest of the nation it that regard. The same is true in Hollywood. Far fewer black actors and black films because there are fewr blacks in front of the cameras and behind the scenes. It reflects the book publishing world. Fewer black people, fewer black writers, fewer books about blacks, smaller audience. Other minorities are in the same boat. Is porn degrading to blacks? Yes and no. I see no evidence of black being treated in a degrading way but there are movies that have degrading black themes. But I have no problem with this because it's porn and porn is about fetish and fantasies. Some people like MONSTER BLACK DICKS 5, BLAZILLA 15, CUCKOLD 8, BLACK GANGSTER DICK 2, etc...If the performers making those movies weren't forced to do them and no one is forcing anyone who has a problem with it to buy it I don't see any problem with those types of movies. No one should be able to say my fetish is okay but the ones I don't like shouldn't exist. There's tons of porn that degrades women but like the black degradation, if the women do it willingly and it doesn't break the law or hurt the performers let the people who enjoy that stuff have it if the audience is big enough to sopport it. White women getting paid more to have sex with a black guy or anyone they don't want to? Great! If Jules Jordan wants to pay Amy Reid a big payday to get her to do IR that's between Jules and Amy. Jules has been a very successful film maker for years so I'll tend to think he know his business better than a fan on a messageboad that never made a movie. Amy and other girls who cut deals are no different than actors in Hollywood who cut deals to star in movies they probably don't want to do and athletes who take big paydays to play for teams they might not want to. It's business and free enterprise. Jules didn't make you pay more to see the movie so why worry about how much he paid Amy? If a girl chooses not to do IR because she has people around her that wouldn't like it, has a career plan laid out, is holding out for a big payday, or just doesn't want to have sex with black men, that's her choice. She's not a slave to do what fans demand or request. She's free to do whatever she wants...even if it's a bad idea. Doing porn doesn't take away the girl's rights to have sex with whoever she wants for whatever reason she may have. When a girl says she's not "attracted" to black guys she's basically saying she doesn't want to have sex with them not that she somehow finds all her white co-stars handsome and blacks are uglier. She doesn't want to have sex with that/those black men. Which is fine because it's her choice. So no, the world of porn isn't equally fair and not every white girl wants to fuck black guys and some people aren't going to like every porn movie put out. This is true about all forms of entertainment (except for the fucking). For me personally this isn't worth people they don't know "racist" based on who they have sex with. This isn't worth the resentment and anger. If this were about unfair wages for blacks across the boards and bad threatment on sets because of color or black being treated different based on race I'd totally understand. But getting this worked up about not seeing some random white girl not fuck a black guy...you've got to be kidding.
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HollywoodBilderbergGroup Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 11 2011 : 1:55PM
U just don't realize how ignore you are. But that's okay, I still love you anyway. But for the record there's been plenty of quotes on public record. I just don't take you that serious so I can't muster up the energy to prove a point most people already know.
