The Black Racism In Porn (page 5)

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Endorphine Rush Deactivated User "Why don't you flex yr magic muscle?" (Captain Beefheart) 418 Posts 5/10	Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 9:35AM Emmetpunk wrote: There's always just talk about racism against african americans in porn, like how alot of white female perfomers avoid working with them and all these things you've heard before. But what about the black racism against caucasians? In several interracial movies (black guy on white girl), the theme is to degrade and insult caucasian men.. for an example there is a videoseries of 20(!) films entitled "White Boy Stomp" .. there couldn't be a more racist title than this. I've even seen films that shows a white man shoved into a caged, then insulted through the scene while a black man fucks a white woman on top of the cage. There would be a riot in the adult business if a title like "Black Boy Stomp" came out. So how come this kind of racism is supported? Click to expand Going back to the original question by Emmetpunk at the start of this thread, I have to say that it is of course as objectable to have anti-white propaganda as it is to have anti-black. It really is as simple as that, despite all the posturing and convuluted argument there's been on this thread so far (I've read through alot of the comments on this thread & some just deviate down blind allys). . Edited by - endorphine rush on 1/16/2012 9:36:12 AM [Link]
Endorphine Rush Deactivated User "Why don't you flex yr magic muscle?" (Captain Beefheart) 418 Posts 5/10	Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 9:48AM David Cop-a-feel wrote: Agree with server z and I think Laurie Cameron Fan is getting tied up in knots trying to minimise the effect of racism in porn. Naomi Banxxx and Marie Luv wouldn't be getting as much work if they weren't very popular and sold well, so "the market" has decided it likes these lovely ladies. The industry,however, has decided that these girls aren't worth the same pay rates as non-Black performers despite the fact that there is demand for their work. Click to expand this is true [Link]
A-ten Deactivated User 581 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 10:39AM I'd like to see some verifiable proof about pay rates. I know certain girls command a premium like a Teagan or Bree Olsen who have been hyped and have that blonde girl appeal American porn lovers seem to love. But does Marie Luv get paid less than some lesser known white pornstar? I can't imagine every girl gets paid the same. I imagine there is negotiation. I don't imagine anyone is going to do a study. I would think there is probably different rates depending on if the girl's popularity has peaked or if she's been "shot out" I guess the term is. I also imagine that the industry does pay black females less and they don't have much market leverage to change that. It's like black females in the regular movie industry too. You see far fewer getting plum roles than black males in Hollywood. America is 12% black. That doesn't lend itself to a lot of market leverage. And the fact of the matter is it is entertainment. You can't force people to spend their money in a way they don't want to. So though Marie Luv may be a far better performer than probably the vast majority of white pornstars she competes against, the reality is that only a certain segment of the non-black market finds black women appealing. That is a real hard thing to change. You can't legislate sexual appeal or preference. It doesn't work. Speaking as a person that hangs around a lot of different dudes, black females have not only competition from whites, but also Latin and Asian women as well. The majority of my friends date and sexually prefer white women. I have one friend that likes Asian women. I'm the only one amongst my friends that prefers black women. Even the black guy I hang around mostly dates white women and watches white women porn. Though when I ask them they'll say Halle Berry is attractive and the black guy claims he has trouble connecting with black women, for the most part they aren't sexually attracted to black women. They don't hate black women or people in general. But if they are looking at porn they prefer white women or Asian for the one guy. I don't see how you can possibly expect to make people feel otherwise. Can you make a person that enjoys watching porn with slim, healthy women watch fat women porn? I don't think you can. It's a sad reality that people can't see female attractiveness past ethnicity, but it is the current reality we live in none the less. It's probably why we don't see more black female porn stars like Marie Luv stay in the business as long as they should. She definitely brought the heat in her performances. I haven't seen performers work up a sweat while fucking like her. Made you feel like they were really having sex, whereas most performers don't work up much of a sweat and make you feel they're going through the motions. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 3:23PM Known is not equal to sold , there are many stars very known that I find non attractive and even ugly in some cases. Marie Luv is one of my favorites ,you don't have to tell me how attractive she is I noticed her when she used the stage name of Destiny (Big) in an all black feature some Black Cheerleader Search issue she was incredibly cute, I followed her career since. I am one of those actually buy black porn from the beginning, but I also know many other porn consumers I met at the stores , many of them won't buy a porn with a black girl in there, racists? No, some of them want porn actresses resembling a woman they actually know , a colleague at work, a chief , a neighbor , the wife of a friend and so on , they don't know or didn't fantasized on any black that's why some of them don't buy porn with black girls although they buy IR porn with black male white female. What I'm saying is simple , even if there's racism in porn , and I'm not denying this , it isn't always racism some producers actually do that for their business. You want figures I can't provide but consider this the biggest companies are those with the lesser IR in there , is that a coincidence? They do every now and then but mostly they do W/W porn Is there any black contract star? I'm not aware of any , you might say it's racism, maybe but is there any black contract star in a black owned company? Again I'm not aware of any , surely this time can't be racism. Is there any possibility a thin possibility that there isn't any black star able to guarantee solid sales? I'm not saying she can't perform better than many whites I know they are very well , but those buying aren't enough some said that blacks are 12% of the Americans , right, that means that non blacks are 88% over 7 times more than that even without considering who are those who spend more , those with major incomes popularity has nothing to do with sales [Link]

HollywoodBilderbergGroup Deactivated User Undiscovered Genius 361 Posts 7/11	Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 4:47PM what does 13% of the population have to do with selling tho? u make it sound like all black people and white people think the same [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 5:10PM Don't ask me, the poster above mine used that number anyway we're talking about porn consumers and as a male I believe that with different tastes we all are the same when we think about pussies [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 8:03PM Endorphine Rush wrote: Emmetpunk wrote: There's always just talk about racism against african americans in porn, like how alot of white female perfomers avoid working with them and all these things you've heard before. But what about the black racism against caucasians? In several interracial movies (black guy on white girl), the theme is to degrade and insult caucasian men.. for an example there is a videoseries of 20(!) films entitled "White Boy Stomp" .. there couldn't be a more racist title than this. I've even seen films that shows a white man shoved into a caged, then insulted through the scene while a black man fucks a white woman on top of the cage. There would be a riot in the adult business if a title like "Black Boy Stomp" came out. So how come this kind of racism is supported? Click to expand Going back to the original question by Emmetpunk at the start of this thread, I have to say that it is of course as objectable to have anti-white propaganda as it is to have anti-black. It really is as simple as that, despite all the posturing and convuluted argument there's been on this thread so far (I've read through alot of the comments on this thread & some just deviate down blind allys). Click to expand But as has been mentioned in the thread, virtually all of the "anti-white" porn that is made, is made by white directors, for white companies, sold to white customers. So, is it really "anti-white"? I mean, if black people were making it and the audience was primarily black that might be one thing. But this is something very different. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 3:09AM ^ Exactly, just as most straight porn is made by men it mostly reflects the fantasies of men, similarly more so-called inter-racial porn of the type the OP mentions reflects the fantasies of the white men who make it and buy it. Most black made and black-on-black porn doesn't have what the OP is complaining about. What at first attracted me to a lot of 'black' porn was that it was less obsessed with degradation and rough sex than other kinds of gonzo. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 9:48AM ^ Can you name some companies of this sort? [Link]
bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 10:14AM ^ Now, primarily, West Coast Productions. But typically any directors and companies that produce featuring black on black sex. Black Ice, Evasive Angles, Combat Zone, Darkside, Justin Slayer International, Mercenary Pictures, LT of Elegant Angel, Alexander Devoe of Jules Jordan Video, and various labels under the umbrella of Juicy Entertainment. [Link]
A-ten Deactivated User 581 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 11:07AM HollywoodBilderbergGroup wrote: what does 13% of the population have to do with selling tho? u make it sound like all black people and white people think the same Click to expand What does 13% of the population have to do with selling? Do you not understand economics? Let me give you an example. When this one company was making a alternative heart disease analysis. Right now we use a nuclear testing where they inject some radioactive substance into your veins then use an x-ray type device to track its movement so they can locate heart blockages and get an image of the heart. This company developed an alternative using ultrasound that would have an equal percentage rage analysis to the nuclear testing. They estimated 3,000,000 nuclear tests a year. That was their market. That is what they used to get financing and show they could provide a competitive alternative to nuclear testing that was cheaper. So in porn terms, if you're measuring the market for black female porn. In essence the number of people that will pay money for porn starring or featuring only black women. So you know 12% of your population is black, roughly 49% male. So out of a 100 Americans, around 6 are black males. 35 are white males. 8 are Hispanic. 1 Asian. 1 Native American. So out of the 35 whites males and 6 black males you have to figure out first who buys porn. Second who would buy porn with black females. What percentage of white dudes you think are attracted to black females? Even women who are hot like Marie Luv? 10%? 20%? Let's go with 20%. Maybe it's higher, maybe it's lower. I don't know. That seems about right to me. So let's make this easy and assume all the males buy porn. So your market is now 6 black males and 7 white males that are interesting in black female porn. Whereas the other 80% and let's assume probably 20% of black males will check out white females. So you're looking at 28 white males and 1 black male out of 41 buying white girl porn. That's why market matters. If you have limited resources, you're going to spend your money in the biggest possible market that will have the largest pool of cash to spend on your product. That's what attracts you. Porn is no different. Sure, there is a market for black female porn. I'm one of the customers. I for one am thankful for porn stars like Marie Luv, Leanni Leanne, Tila Flame, Jordan McKnight, Jeannie Pepper, and all the lovely black women that have managed to make me a happy guy watching they fuck on screen. But as far as how a porn producer spends his money, it shouldn't be any wonder the majority of money gets dumped into the market segment with the largest audience appeal. White girl porn. It's not like Asians or Latins are getting much of a better deal. The United States is around 70% white. The porn business is just like all entertainment and white performers get favored. Even look at music. You think Madonna was better than Janet Jackson? Couldn't dance as well as Janet. Spent her entire career exploiting sex and shocking people. Never produced an album of the same quality as Rhythm Nation, yet she is one of the top females of all time. Wasn't even a very good singer or actress. And Angela Bassett got the big time shaft in Hollywood. Angelina Jolie is Miss Action. She is not a bad actress and has a great sneer as an action chick. But Angela Bassett was equally talented and far more athletic, she got what Strange Days? And even Marie Luv. On a pure performance basis she is one of the best I've ever seen. Brings the heat in every scene. Even the guys are sweating and huffing and puffing after they're done fucking her. Did you see any awards recognition? Let's face it. The entertainment business is consumer driven. Where people spend their money is what drives the market. The market majority is white males who like white women. Doesn't mean there is no market for black females. There is or they wouldn't even be in the business. But it's much harder for them to obtain mass market appeal that drives money their way. It has nothing to do with talent. It's purely based on ethnocentrism of the customer. It's not even really racism. It isn't like they hate black women or men. They just aren't attracted and would prefer to spend their money on white women porn. Just like I'll spend my limited dollars on a black female porn star first like Marie Luv. I'm currently digging Tila Flame and Leanni Leanne. We all have limited money and we spend it on the things we want. No one forces anyone to buy country music if they like rock or rap. No one can force people to buy black female porn if they like white girls. [Link]
bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 1:04PM ^ Something pathetic is making you irrational if you think that only black buyers will buy a dvd with a black female performer. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 1:58PM ^ of course it's not , nor whites buy only white porn , but in many cases they mostly do and with a relation of 7:1 it's more than enough to have a greater effect on porn sales , this assuming that both black and whites have the same economic capability, but we all know it's not that the actual case. Even I without doing this on purpose have seen mostly white porn , and I saw a lot of black porn , I mean black with blacks , I actually didn't even put attention to this until recently [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 6:01PM In response to GGG's question, Bootymeister has pretty much covered it, I'd say the best at their peak was Justin Slayer Productions and some Black Ice stuff. Nothing remarkable here in terms of gonzo but there seemed to be a much stronger sense of fun and pleasure from the performers in these films. Juan Cuba also did some quality stuff. In contrast, look at (white director) TT Boy's Black Street Hookers series. We've heard from reliable sources here on ADT that TT Boy has even been using Marc Wallice as a director on some of his videos. As to who is buying black-on-black porn. That's an open question. I don't think one can assume that it is simply a majority of black viewers, from conversations here on ADT it seems that many fans of black female performers are white. For example, I doubt that the majority of fans of London Keyes and Asa Akira are asian men. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/17/2012 6:08:11 PM [Link]

Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 6:13PM ^ I had heard some unpleasant things about Justin Slayer in terms of his treatment/attitude toward female performers so I never bothered with it. I would be happy to hear I am misinformed. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 6:29PM Was this BTS? On camera he's pretty far from rough imo. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 6:34PM BlackSix wrote: In contrast, look at (white director) TT Boy's Black Street Hookers series. We've heard from reliable sources here on ADT that TT Boy has even been using Marc Wallice as a director on some of his videos. As to who is buying black-on-black porn. That's an open question. I don't think one can assume that it is simply a majority of black viewers, from conversations here on ADT it seems that many fans of black female performers are white. For example, I doubt that the majority of fans of London Keyes and Asa Akira are asian men. Click to expand In response to your first point in my quote here are some responses , many whites like to see a black girl with a white male. Anyway although I can admit that many watch Asa Akira or London Keys I also assume that many Asians prefer to watch the likes , it's not racism , I believe it is a cultural thing while growing up all of us is been bombed with models , what is beauty what is not, our parents, our relatives, our friends , all of them are good , because we love them and so we use them as a model , it is beyond race , It's human , that doesn't mean we can't be attracted to any female around but our tastes are usually modeled out of our control For the second part I don't know , I stopped to buy/rent anything from DVSX after they hired Marc as a director ,didn't know he worked for TT Boy too if confirmed another company will go immediately in my no no list along with DVSX and JM Also I don't know anything about Justin's attitude toward porn performers but I like his directing I used to watch his movies even before he entered Evil Angel and of course before he founded his own company. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 6:50PM BlackSix wrote: Was this BTS? On camera he's pretty far from rough imo. Click to expand It was a description and partial transcript of a commentary on a DVD scene, in addition to an interview I read with him. [Link]
David Cop-a-feel Deactivated User Trust me, honey, it gets better 323 Posts 10/10	Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 7:38PM A-ten wrote: HollywoodBilderbergGroup wrote: what does 13% of the population have to do with selling tho? u make it sound like all black people and white people think the same Click to expand What does 13% of the population have to do with selling? Do you not understand economics? Let me give you an example. When this one company was making a alternative heart disease analysis. Right now we use a nuclear testing where they inject some radioactive substance into your veins then use an x-ray type device to track its movement so they can locate heart blockages and get an image of the heart. This company developed an alternative using ultrasound that would have an equal percentage rage analysis to the nuclear testing. They estimated 3,000,000 nuclear tests a year. That was their market. That is what they used to get financing and show they could provide a competitive alternative to nuclear testing that was cheaper. So in porn terms, if you're measuring the market for black female porn. In essence the number of people that will pay money for porn starring or featuring only black women. So you know 12% of your population is black, roughly 49% male. So out of a 100 Americans, around 6 are black males. 35 are white males. 8 are Hispanic. 1 Asian. 1 Native American. So out of the 35 whites males and 6 black males you have to figure out first who buys porn. Second who would buy porn with black females. What percentage of white dudes you think are attracted to black females? Even women who are hot like Marie Luv? 10%? 20%? Let's go with 20%. Maybe it's higher, maybe it's lower. I don't know. That seems about right to me. So let's make this easy and assume all the males buy porn. So your market is now 6 black males and 7 white males that are interesting in black female porn. Whereas the other 80% and let's assume probably 20% of black males will check out white females. So you're looking at 28 white males and 1 black male out of 41 buying white girl porn. That's why market matters. If you have limited resources, you're going to spend your money in the biggest possible market that will have the largest pool of cash to spend on your product. That's what attracts you. Porn is no different. Sure, there is a market for black female porn. I'm one of the customers. I for one am thankful for porn stars like Marie Luv, Leanni Leanne, Tila Flame, Jordan McKnight, Jeannie Pepper, and all the lovely black women that have managed to make me a happy guy watching they fuck on screen. But as far as how a porn producer spends his money, it shouldn't be any wonder the majority of money gets dumped into the market segment with the largest audience appeal. White girl porn. It's not like Asians or Latins are getting much of a better deal. The United States is around 70% white. The porn business is just like all entertainment and white performers get favored. Even look at music. You think Madonna was better than Janet Jackson? Couldn't dance as well as Janet. Spent her entire career exploiting sex and shocking people. Never produced an album of the same quality as Rhythm Nation, yet she is one of the top females of all time. Wasn't even a very good singer or actress. And Angela Bassett got the big time shaft in Hollywood. Angelina Jolie is Miss Action. She is not a bad actress and has a great sneer as an action chick. But Angela Bassett was equally talented and far more athletic, she got what Strange Days? And even Marie Luv. On a pure performance basis she is one of the best I've ever seen. Brings the heat in every scene. Even the guys are sweating and huffing and puffing after they're done fucking her. Did you see any awards recognition? Let's face it. The entertainment business is consumer driven. Where people spend their money is what drives the market. The market majority is white males who like white women. Doesn't mean there is no market for black females. There is or they wouldn't even be in the business. But it's much harder for them to obtain mass market appeal that drives money their way. It has nothing to do with talent. It's purely based on ethnocentrism of the customer. It's not even really racism. It isn't like they hate black women or men. They just aren't attracted and would prefer to spend their money on white women porn. Just like I'll spend my limited dollars on a black female porn star first like Marie Luv. I'm currently digging Tila Flame and Leanni Leanne. We all have limited money and we spend it on the things we want. No one forces anyone to buy country music if they like rock or rap. No one can force people to buy black female porn if they like white girls. Click to expand You know you could transpose a similar argument (and some have) onto the entire labour market. That's why there are (or should be) legal protections against it. A hotel manager can argue that customers would prefer to deal with a white person at the reception desk,for instance. He's noticed that he gets alot of busines from across the street where the reception staff are black. Same with taxi firms that get requests for white drivers. Would you say that this is racist or simply the "market preference"? Could it possibly be both? Edited by - David Cop-a-feel on 1/17/2012 7:41:16 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 18 2012 : 3:39AM ^ This is complete nonsense how could you force people to buy something he don't want to by law? would you force vegans to eat meat? you're talking about discrimination in a working environment we are talking about people NOT BUYING goods from a seller. [Link]
HollywoodBilderbergGroup Deactivated User Undiscovered Genius 361 Posts 7/11	Posted - Jan 18 2012 : 3:55PM He's one of those guys with a "white only" sign hitched to tha back of his trailer, a pathetic muthafucka foreal. Just be honest and say what u really wanna say, fuck the etiquette. I know a troll and a wannabe oppressor when I see one. "oh I have black friends", "I love basketball and jazz", yadayada. I get it tho, I'm not even trippin, I don't even kno who he is. I see all these numbers and no facts. So since no one can produce facts then no one is right until further notice. Simple as that, there's your pie! [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 18 2012 : 4:05PM ^ Who is the subject of your reply? [Link]
David Cop-a-feel Deactivated User Trust me, honey, it gets better 323 Posts 10/10	Posted - Jan 18 2012 : 7:33PM ^^^ Err, no we were on the topic of the wage discrepancy between black and white performers and the reasons why a porn producer hires and pays what he/she does to different performers. I'll grant you though, your interpretation of my post is amusing. Edited by - David Cop-a-feel on 1/18/2012 7:37:55 PM Edited by - David Cop-a-feel on 1/18/2012 7:42:32 PM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 1:37AM HollywoodBilderbergGroup wrote: "I love basketball and jazz", yadayada. Click to expand [Link]

dogzcatcher All-Star Member Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round! 1551 Posts 5/09	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 2:47AM BlackSix wrote: As to who is buying black-on-black porn. That's an open question. I don't think one can assume that it is simply a majority of black viewers, from conversations here on ADT it seems that many fans of black female performers are white. Click to expand Include this old white boy as a fan of black female performers. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 6:50AM David Cop-a-feel wrote: ^^^ Err, no we were on the topic of the wage discrepancy between black and white performers and the reasons why a porn producer hires and pays what he/she does to different performers. I'll grant you though, your interpretation of my post is amusing. Click to expand This has already been discussed here or in another thread now closed , again you can't force that , if an all white sells 10,000 and an all black sells 3,000 , you can't pay the same you won't have enough revenues to do that, if you force by law to pay the same no matter the incomes then , who will produce movies with low expectations and high costs? Maybe it will end with nobody hiring a black girl at all. also it is not an employment contract this is usually a one time hire , a professional contract , there's no law who can force to pay the same such contracts , there are those better than the others and they cannot be paid the same. Who will decide who's better? A committee? Or those buying a movie with a star instead of another? what you say would be good in an employment matter all those doing the same things in the same way with a common contract MUST be paid the same no matter sex, religion or ethnicity , but not an individual professional contract [Link]
bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 11:03AM ^ You need to stop going out of your way making ignorant arguments defending racially discriminatory pracitices in porn. You must think porn stars are as dumb as you are. The accounts of lower pay are comparing similar gigs. Also, these accounts are nothing new and never, as far as I know, been contradicted. Nobody is talking about making more-all black porn. We are more concerned with including one black female performer in a main-stream 5 scene gonzo. Where is the info that says that men buy DVDs based on liking all 5 pornstars? Where is the info that says that men are less likely to buy DVDs if 1 of the 5 pornstars is black? Also, too much speculative anlaysis is being made about buying behavior. What people buy is more influenced by studios, distributors and retailers, especially in porn. Consumers can only make the best choice available, they do not decide which DVDs make it to the retailer. No one is forcing anyone to watch the 5th most appealing scene in a gonzo flick whether the star is black or white. Edited by - bootymeister on 1/19/2012 12:01:09 PM [Link]
Jedi Master Bates Deactivated User 383 Posts 9/11	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 11:23AM bootymeister wrote: ^ Something pathetic is making you irrational if you think that only black buyers will buy a dvd with a black female performer. Click to expand agreed. Only a fucking idiot thinks "bawww only black men like watching black women." I'm sensing some serious racial anxiety going on here. [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 11:38AM Laurie Cameron Fan wrote: This has already been discussed here or in another thread now closed , again you can't force that , if an all white sells 10,000 and an all black sells 3,000 , you can't pay the same you won't have enough revenues to do that, if you force by law to pay the same no matter the incomes then , who will produce movies with low expectations and high costs? Click to expand So you are saying the producer can predict the future and knows how many DVD's will sell? And then calculate the performer pay based on the prediction? I call B.S. on that. Yes you have put forth that theory in numerous posts and repeated it. But repeating bogus stuff doesn't make it truth. And just because nobody challenges it doesn't mean people accept/believe it. Yes I've protested this point before, and you posted a rebuttal, and I let it drop. Not because you convinced me of the truth. But because you convinced me that a rational logical reasoned discussion is futile. Your entire argument rests on that bogus foundation, and you are too heavily invested in it to change. I understand that. Nevertheless, I'll give it another try, for the benefit of the other readers. If you visit the thread discussions about performer pay rates, those girls who do answer usually give a vague $$ range and some companies pay a little more than others, and west coast companies pay a little more than other parts of the US, and pay depends on the type of sex acts they are expected to do, and sometimes a white girl gets more for doing a black guy and trivia like that. NEVER has anyone said anything about what was the title of the DVD and how high/low were the expected/actual DVD sales numbers or anything like that in discussion about pay rates. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 2:37PM ^ Let's make it clear nobody predicts any future with magic but can analyze many previous sale rates, his own and those of competitors and calculate a likely possibility of sales , it's called STATISTICS , if a baseball player has no home run in his career it's logical to guess he hardly will do in his next match. It's not difficult to understand, actually I thought it was a given it's basis in economics The most largest and rich companies are those with the less IR , you may think it's a coincidence , but it is unlikely. There's no black contract star as far as I know , not even in black owned companies again you might think it is a coincidence, but it is unlikely I don't have figures but I repeatedly asked if black owned companies pay their black performers more than white owned company , nobody answered , for what I know they pay the same , a coincidence? Racism? Unlikely in both cases Jedi Master Bates wrote: bootymeister wrote: ^ Something pathetic is making you irrational if you think that only black buyers will buy a dvd with a black female performer. Click to expand agreed. Only a fucking idiot thinks "bawww only black men like watching black women." I'm sensing some serious racial anxiety going on here. Click to expand I never said that , I'm a black porn consumer myself but there's a proportion someone here said that blacks are 12 or 13% of American population that means that non blacks are at least the 87% . Assuming that there are not differences in what all of them can afford , that means that considering say 10,000 of porn buyers 8,700 aren't black and 1,300 are black. Now unless the majority of non black porn consumers actually buy black porn there always be a great difference about what they buy compared to what black consumers will do they are 7:1 seven times more also black porn consumers too don't always buy black porn. Anyway I believe there is something unclear about my points I put question and answers hoping to clarify. Is there racism in porn? Sure it is as in any other place is it always racism when there's a difference? No there are market reasons for some of them Would it be better if there wasn't any difference? Of course would be Should black performers get paid the same as any other? If the market make this affordable surely yes Do I like basketball? No I prefer other sports Do I like Jazz? Yes of course , and I like Blues and funky too, but I absolutely hate rap music Do I have black friends? No I call true friends only a group of five which I know from elementary school , none of them is black.I'm not planning to catch some random black and ask him if he wants to become a close friend of mine. Do I know blacks ? Yes of course a female friend of mine , close but not in the restricted group, has a black boyfriend , they have 2 children , I even tried to begin a story with her sister in law. A male friend of mine , again close but not in the inner circle is married with a black woman from Cuba , they have a daughter. I'm not changing what I am nor faking what I'm not because of this thread , what I said is very clear for all those who really want to discuss [Link]
HollywoodBilderbergGroup Deactivated User Undiscovered Genius 361 Posts 7/11	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 6:15PM Nobody is mad at you for being Caucasian, you're gay. I don't have to talk to you tho, so I never tripped. U and other folks like u [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 6:41PM ^ Please don't use "gay" to mean stupid or something similar. That is highly offensive. [Link]
RiveGauche1999 Member 472 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 7:34PM A-ten wrote: HollywoodBilderbergGroup wrote: what does 13% of the population have to do with selling tho? u make it sound like all black people and white people think the same Click to expand What does 13% of the population have to do with selling? Do you not understand economics? Let me give you an example. When this one company was making a alternative heart disease analysis. Right now we use a nuclear testing where they inject some radioactive substance into your veins then use an x-ray type device to track its movement so they can locate heart blockages and get an image of the heart. This company developed an alternative using ultrasound that would have an equal percentage rage analysis to the nuclear testing. They estimated 3,000,000 nuclear tests a year. That was their market. That is what they used to get financing and show they could provide a competitive alternative to nuclear testing that was cheaper. So in porn terms, if you're measuring the market for black female porn. In essence the number of people that will pay money for porn starring or featuring only black women. So you know 12% of your population is black, roughly 49% male. So out of a 100 Americans, around 6 are black males. 35 are white males. 8 are Hispanic. 1 Asian. 1 Native American. So out of the 35 whites males and 6 black males you have to figure out first who buys porn. Second who would buy porn with black females. What percentage of white dudes you think are attracted to black females? Even women who are hot like Marie Luv? 10%? 20%? Let's go with 20%. Maybe it's higher, maybe it's lower. I don't know. That seems about right to me. So let's make this easy and assume all the males buy porn. So your market is now 6 black males and 7 white males that are interesting in black female porn. Whereas the other 80% and let's assume probably 20% of black males will check out white females. So you're looking at 28 white males and 1 black male out of 41 buying white girl porn. That's why market matters. If you have limited resources, you're going to spend your money in the biggest possible market that will have the largest pool of cash to spend on your product. That's what attracts you. Porn is no different. Sure, there is a market for black female porn. I'm one of the customers. I for one am thankful for porn stars like Marie Luv, Leanni Leanne, Tila Flame, Jordan McKnight, Jeannie Pepper, and all the lovely black women that have managed to make me a happy guy watching they fuck on screen. But as far as how a porn producer spends his money, it shouldn't be any wonder the majority of money gets dumped into the market segment with the largest audience appeal. White girl porn. It's not like Asians or Latins are getting much of a better deal. The United States is around 70% white. The porn business is just like all entertainment and white performers get favored. Even look at music. You think Madonna was better than Janet Jackson? Couldn't dance as well as Janet. Spent her entire career exploiting sex and shocking people. Never produced an album of the same quality as Rhythm Nation, yet she is one of the top females of all time. Wasn't even a very good singer or actress. And Angela Bassett got the big time shaft in Hollywood. Angelina Jolie is Miss Action. She is not a bad actress and has a great sneer as an action chick. But Angela Bassett was equally talented and far more athletic, she got what Strange Days? And even Marie Luv. On a pure performance basis she is one of the best I've ever seen. Brings the heat in every scene. Even the guys are sweating and huffing and puffing after they're done fucking her. Did you see any awards recognition? Let's face it. The entertainment business is consumer driven. Where people spend their money is what drives the market. The market majority is white males who like white women. Doesn't mean there is no market for black females. There is or they wouldn't even be in the business. But it's much harder for them to obtain mass market appeal that drives money their way. It has nothing to do with talent. It's purely based on ethnocentrism of the customer. It's not even really racism. It isn't like they hate black women or men. They just aren't attracted and would prefer to spend their money on white women porn. Just like I'll spend my limited dollars on a black female porn star first like Marie Luv. I'm currently digging Tila Flame and Leanni Leanne. We all have limited money and we spend it on the things we want. No one forces anyone to buy country music if they like rock or rap. No one can force people to buy black female porn if they like white girls. Click to expand bravo!! very well said!! [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 10:09PM bootymeister wrote: ^ You need to stop going out of your way making ignorant arguments defending racially discriminatory pracitices in porn. You must think porn stars are as dumb as you are. Click to expand You, and others, need to stop insulting LCF just because he's pointing out cold, hard economic truths that you don't want to hear. The accounts of lower pay are comparing similar gigs. Click to expand First of all, it's absurd to speak of "similar gigs" or "equal work" in the context of the performing arts. This is not the post office, the secretarial pool, the factory floor, or the call center, where it doesn't matter who does any particular job. It's the opposite of that. Producers hire performers who sell tickets, DVDs, website subscriptions, etc. Consumers like what they like, and spend their money accordingly. Mostly, what they like is idealized, younger, prettier versions of themselves, or opposite-sex versions of same. It may not be "fair" that Marie Luv can't charge as much as a given white performer who may do inferior scenes, but guess what: Paul Giamatti can't charge as much as Tom Cruise, either, even though he's a far superior actor. Is it Paul Giamatti's fault that he looks like Paul Giamatti instead of like Tom Cruise? No, it is not; he was born that way. Is Paul Giamatti being "discriminated" against? Secondly, as to "the accounts of lower pay": there is, as far as I am aware, no dependable source of verified data regarding what performers are really making. The only people who really know aren't gossiping about it on message boards or complaining about it on Twitter. So this whole discussion is suspect to begin with. [Link]

ServerZ Deactivated User 25 Posts 12/11	Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 11:22PM Harri Patel wrote: You, and others, need to stop insulting LCF just because he's pointing out cold, hard economic truths that you don't want to hear. Click to expand LCF is an adult, who I believe is European, who has interestingly chosen to defend the US adult industry's racially absurd policies. And he's chosen to continue to stick to his belief that because Blacks are a lower percentage of the population, regardless of their fame or ability to sell movies, that it's right that they're paid less. Now such a position is blatantly false and flies in the face of modern accepted pay practices in the labor market. Thus whatever economic "truths" you're referring to him talking about aren't included in the argument he's been making. Harri Patel wrote: It's the opposite of that. Producers hire performers who sell tickets, DVDs, website subscriptions, etc. Consumers like what they like, and spend their money accordingly. Mostly, what they like is idealized, younger, prettier versions of themselves, or opposite-sex versions of same. It may not be "fair" that Marie Luv can't charge as much as a given white performer who may do inferior scenes, but guess what: Paul Giamatti can't charge as much as Tom Cruise, either, even though he's a far superior actor. Is it Paul Giamatti's fault that he looks like Paul Giamatti instead of like Tom Cruise? No, it is not; he was born that way. Is Paul Giamatti being "discriminated" against? Click to expand That's an interesting analogy, but not terribly pertinent to what is being discussed in this thread. Paul isn't an A-list actor so obviously he wouldn't be paid as well as Tom Cruise. An analogy that would be similar to what we're referring to is a white John Doe fresh off the bus in Hollywood being paid the same amount as Morgan Freeman, A-List actor, solely because he's white. Think that makes sense? Harri Patel wrote: Secondly, as to "the accounts of lower pay": there is, as far as I am aware, no dependable source of verified data regarding what performers are really making. The only people who really know aren't gossiping about it on message boards or complaining about it on Twitter. So this whole discussion is suspect to begin with. Click to expand Of course Harri, information straight from the actresses themselves isn't to be trusted because it contradicts what you want to believe. But the facts are the facts. [Link]
bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 8:12AM Harri Patel wrote: ... Secondly, as to "the accounts of lower pay": there is, as far as I am aware, no dependable source of verified data regarding what performers are really making... Click to expand The accounts of lower pay than whites are not at all gossip, not at all any speculative claim that I or anyone has made, but what some black female pornstars have been saying since the 80s about pay for the same work, in the same flicks. As you pointed out, there is no info to refute those claims of these racist practices. Which, by the way, is the only rational part of your post. Edited by - bootymeister on 1/20/2012 9:49:09 AM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 9:30AM ServerZ wrote: Harri Patel wrote: You, and others, need to stop insulting LCF just because he's pointing out cold, hard economic truths that you don't want to hear. Click to expand LCF is an adult, who I believe is European, who has interestingly chosen to defend the US adult industry's racially absurd policies. And he's chosen to continue to stick to his belief that because Blacks are a lower percentage of the population, regardless of their fame or ability to sell movies, that it's right that they're paid less. Now such a position is blatantly false and flies in the face of modern accepted pay practices in the labor market. Thus whatever economic "truths" you're referring to him talking about aren't included in the argument he's been making. Of course Harri, information straight from the actresses themselves isn't to be trusted because it contradicts what you want to believe. But the facts are the facts. Click to expand Yes, I am an adult European and I didn't choose to defend anything less of all any racist practice Also I NEVER said nor I ever would that a black should be paid less because black are a lower percentage , I said that black porn sells less than white porn , the lower percentage of population is a reason why this happens , not cause to pay less , I believed to be clear on this , maybe it's my poor English or maybe it is what you won't understand on purpose The labor market is not porn market if you buy a car it doesn't matter who were the workers who made it, if you buy a porn DVD who is in there performing DOES matter. If you put say Amy Ried on a cover alone or Marie Luv on another alone , the first will sell more than the second , if you put both on a cover that DVD will mostly sell because of Amy rather than Marie also in some case Marie's presence could even affect the sells. Be aware that I personally would chose both DVDs with Marie i because of her let's try a game , remove the word black from all my posts and add the word FAT or 50+ old performers now apply all my points to them do they seem logical to you? That kind of porn sells even less than black porn [Link]
bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 9:54AM Laurie Cameron Fan wrote: ... let's try a game , remove the word black from all my posts and add the word FAT or 50+ old performers now apply all my points to them do they seem logical to you? ... Click to expand ... or we should do what you obviously have been thinking in all of your posts, Laurie Cameron Fan, replace the word 'black' with 'ugly'. Edited by - bootymeister on 1/20/2012 9:56:18 AM [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 11:08AM NP Edited by - ninja1 on 1/20/2012 11:19:25 AM [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 3:27PM bootymeister wrote: The accounts of lower pay than whites are not at all gossip, not at all any speculative claim that I or anyone has made, but what some black female pornstars have been saying since the 80s about pay for the same work, in the same flicks. Click to expand gos·sip/ˈgäsip/ Noun: Casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true. Example: "what some black female pornstars have been saying since the 80s" As you pointed out, there is no info to refute those claims of these racist practices. Which, by the way, is the only rational part of your post. Click to expand No, that's not what I pointed out. The information to refute (or support, or lead to no definitive conclusion on) these claims most certainly exists, in the form of checks, tax forms, and accounting records. What I pointed out is that the people who possess these documents, and have the direct personal knowledge of the information which underlies them -- producers and agents, in other words -- do not publicly disclose this information, and in all likelihood never will, in the absence of being legally compelled to do so. The fact that you are incapable of responding to a view which contradicts your own without resorting to an insult ("the only rational part of your post") is again noted. [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 3:51PM bootymeister wrote: Laurie Cameron Fan wrote: ... let's try a game , remove the word black from all my posts and add the word FAT or 50+ old performers now apply all my points to them do they seem logical to you? ... Click to expand ... or we should do what you obviously have been thinking in all of your posts, Laurie Cameron Fan, replace the word 'black' with 'ugly'. Click to expand I might indeed find some black girl ugly and I might find ugly any other kind of girl as well being a matter of taste , but I said you won't understand so you can't , the meaning of my post has nothing to do with beauty , again has to do with sells , fat o chubby girls do have a fanbase but is a minority and thus their sells aren't high , same for 50+ women it doesn't mean they are ugly does mean that their sells are low. as for me thinking that blacks are ugly, well I'm member of ADT since 2005 almost 7 years now , here are many posts of me showing my admiration for MANY black girls , really a lot , your statement is simply untrue, this board is full of evidences. Also you put your statement selecting a quote from a post in which I said that I prefer Marie Luv over Amy Reid. this discussion has lost is meaning , I was merely stating that not all of what make a difference between porn performers is racism , some different reasons might be the cause of this , racism could be one, no doubt I just pointed out another , we could go further discussing the matter to find out what is a true racist discrimination and when this occur, but we are stuck for pages to the same point instead. also it is apparent the will to misunderstand what I say If I say A you will state: this is racism! you said A because it comes prior to B in an alphabetical order so you're point is that B as Black comes second I I asked many times why there's not a black contract star even in black productions but all of you pretend to not see the question also I asked why even black producers pay the black stars the same as white producers but again all of you pretend to overlook this question. being black owned companies with black producers and black directors racism is out of the question ,so why? Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 1/20/2012 3:56:55 PM [Link]
Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 3:53PM Harri Patel wrote: Secondly, as to "the accounts of lower pay": there is, as far as I am aware, no dependable source of verified data regarding what performers are really making. The only people who really know aren't gossiping about it on message boards or complaining about it on Twitter. So this whole discussion is suspect to begin with. Click to expand The adult model is pretty much the same as the mainstream one, economically at least. Example: An acquaintance of mine is a very hard working actress, known to the horror film crowd. She worked on several low budget projects last year, and openly admitted to me that she barely cleared $24,000 for her film work in 2011, even though she was hired consistently (yes, she supplemented her income with convention appearances, magazine columns, etc). Paris Hilton, also something of a scream queen thanks to House of Wax and Repo: The Genetic Opera, makes nearly that much to show up drunk for one hour every time she "hosts" one of her Vegas nightclub appearances. Both women share the same skin color. They share the same hair color. They even share the same eye color The difference? Their perceived value in the marketplace as consumer draws. Edited by - Roads To Moscow on 1/20/2012 3:55:04 PM [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 4:01PM ^ Exactly the perceived value for market has nothing to do with actual ability nor popularity nor race , it is only a matter of generated incomes for the producers [Link]
bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 6:30PM Roads To Moscow wrote: ... The adult model is pretty much the same as the mainstream one, economically at least. .. Click to expand That is in no way close to being true. There is nothing like S.A.G. in the adult film industry. Unless, of course you are referring to the racially discriminatory hiring practices of both industries. Edited by - bootymeister on 1/20/2012 6:35:45 PM [Link]
bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 6:44PM Harri Patel wrote: bootymeister wrote: The accounts of lower pay than whites are not at all gossip, not at all any speculative claim that I or anyone has made, but what some black female pornstars have been saying since the 80s about pay for the same work, in the same flicks. Click to expand gos·sip/ˈgäsip/ Noun: Casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true. Example: "what some black female pornstars have been saying since the 80s" You do realize that in order for your statement to make any sense you would have to be disputing whether or not any black pornstars have actually made the claim, not whether or not the claim is true. Also, making reference to published material, is not gossip. [Link]
bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 6:46PM Harri Patel wrote: bootymeister wrote: As you pointed out, there is no info to refute those claims of these racist practices. Which, by the way, is the only rational part of your post. Click to expand No, that's not what I pointed out... Click to expand Yeah, it's what you pointed out: Harri Patel wrote: ... Secondly, as to "the accounts of lower pay": there is, as far as I am aware, no dependable source of verified data regarding what performers are really making... Click to expand Edited by - bootymeister on 1/20/2012 6:47:14 PM [Link]
dogzcatcher All-Star Member Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round! 1551 Posts 5/09	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 6:56PM bootymeister wrote: There is nothing like S.A.G. in the adult film industry. Click to expand I wish adult industry performers were allowed to join S.A.G. While many never have any acting or speaking parts other than "oohh..ahhhh!...ohhhh!", a few are good with dialog, when given the chance. No one has really addressed my question in this thread about the IR tag itself being discriminatory. Why does the IR tag apply only to performances between black and white performers and not performers of other races? Why isn't the IR tag applied to titles where latin and white or asian and white performers appear? The solution? Don't even use the damn thing. Edited by - dogzcatcher on 1/20/2012 6:58:40 PM [Link]
David Cop-a-feel Deactivated User Trust me, honey, it gets better 323 Posts 10/10	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 7:42PM Laurie Cameron Fan said: "I asked many times why there's not a black contract star even in black productions but all of you pretend to not see the question." Well, that could be down to alot of things, including racist porn companies. Do you not think that many sexy Black women couldn't have wider appeal if they're marketed properly? Look at mainstream entertainment, performers like Beyonce, Rhianna, Halle Berry,and others can cause all kinds of folks,even White ones, to part with their money or drool with lust. [Link]
HollywoodBilderbergGroup Deactivated User Undiscovered Genius 361 Posts 7/11	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 8:22PM Jennifer Hudson Fantasia Naomi Cambell Jada Fire Loretta Devine Do I need to go on.... On a scale (realistically): Love And Hip Hop >>>>> Mob Wives Barack Obama >>>>> John McCane Air Jordans >>>>>> Vans Hip Hop >>>>> Rock (both of which were invented by Black Americans) Naturally OVERALL African Americans are better Entertainers than the rest of the world, it's been proven time and time again. We do need Caucasians to sell, that is so very true (for now) but this is North America and we're North American (even tho some of us are immigrants) so of course we need our Caucasian brothers and Sisters to support us too. Your words teach hate to the ignorant and poison some of the readers (who already have bigger issues at hand) and that's 1 of the reasons I don't fuck with you and your unihabital kind. I mean, you probably watch that South Carolina Debate on CNN or read about it and then fell in love with a candidate. You're practical, not intelligent. Edited by - hollywoodbilderberggroup on 1/20/2012 8:43:53 PM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 8:53PM bootymeister wrote: Roads To Moscow wrote: Click to expand That is in no way close to being true. Click to expand You do recognize that he works in the industry, right? [Link]

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Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 9:35AM

Going back to the original question by Emmetpunk at the start of this thread, I have to say that it is of course as objectable to have anti-white propaganda as it is to have anti-black.
It really is as simple as that, despite all the posturing and convuluted argument there's been on this thread so far (I've read through alot of the comments on this thread & some just deviate down blind allys).

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Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 9:48AM

this is true

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Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 10:39AM

I'd like to see some verifiable proof about pay rates. I know certain girls command a premium like a Teagan or Bree Olsen who have been hyped and have that blonde girl appeal American porn lovers seem to love. But does Marie Luv get paid less than some lesser known white pornstar? I can't imagine every girl gets paid the same. I imagine there is negotiation. I don't imagine anyone is going to do a study. I would think there is probably different rates depending on if the girl's popularity has peaked or if she's been "shot out" I guess the term is.
I also imagine that the industry does pay black females less and they don't have much market leverage to change that. It's like black females in the regular movie industry too. You see far fewer getting plum roles than black males in Hollywood. America is 12% black. That doesn't lend itself to a lot of market leverage.
And the fact of the matter is it is entertainment. You can't force people to spend their money in a way they don't want to. So though Marie Luv may be a far better performer than probably the vast majority of white pornstars she competes against, the reality is that only a certain segment of the non-black market finds black women appealing. That is a real hard thing to change.
You can't legislate sexual appeal or preference. It doesn't work. Speaking as a person that hangs around a lot of different dudes, black females have not only competition from whites, but also Latin and Asian women as well. The majority of my friends date and sexually prefer white women. I have one friend that likes Asian women. I'm the only one amongst my friends that prefers black women. Even the black guy I hang around mostly dates white women and watches white women porn. Though when I ask them they'll say Halle Berry is attractive and the black guy claims he has trouble connecting with black women, for the most part they aren't sexually attracted to black women. They don't hate black women or people in general. But if they are looking at porn they prefer white women or Asian for the one guy.
I don't see how you can possibly expect to make people feel otherwise. Can you make a person that enjoys watching porn with slim, healthy women watch fat women porn? I don't think you can. It's a sad reality that people can't see female attractiveness past ethnicity, but it is the current reality we live in none the less. It's probably why we don't see more black female porn stars like Marie Luv stay in the business as long as they should. She definitely brought the heat in her performances. I haven't seen performers work up a sweat while fucking like her. Made you feel like they were really having sex, whereas most performers don't work up much of a sweat and make you feel they're going through the motions.

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Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 3:23PM

Known is not equal to sold , there are many stars very known that I find non attractive and even ugly in some cases.
Marie Luv is one of my favorites ,you don't have to tell me how attractive she is I noticed her when she used the stage name of Destiny (Big) in an all black feature some Black Cheerleader Search issue she was incredibly cute, I followed her career since.
I am one of those actually buy black porn from the beginning, but I also know many other porn consumers I met at the stores , many of them won't buy a porn with a black girl in there, racists?
No, some of them want porn actresses resembling a woman they actually know , a colleague at work, a chief , a neighbor , the wife of a friend and so on , they don't know or didn't fantasized on any black that's why some of them don't buy porn with black girls although they buy IR porn with black male white female.
What I'm saying is simple , even if there's racism in porn , and I'm not denying this , it isn't always racism some producers actually do that for their business.

You want figures I can't provide but consider this the biggest companies are those with the lesser IR in there , is that a coincidence?
They do every now and then but mostly they do W/W porn
Is there any black contract star?
I'm not aware of any , you might say it's racism, maybe but is there any black contract star in a black owned company?
Again I'm not aware of any , surely this time can't be racism.
Is there any possibility a thin possibility that there isn't any black star able to guarantee solid sales?
I'm not saying she can't perform better than many whites I know they are very well , but those buying aren't enough
some said that blacks are 12% of the Americans , right, that means that non blacks are 88% over 7 times more than that even without considering who are those who spend more , those with major incomes
popularity has nothing to do with sales

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Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 4:47PM

what does 13% of the population have to do with selling tho? u make it sound like all black people and white people think the same

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Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 5:10PM

Don't ask me, the poster above mine used that number
anyway we're talking about porn consumers and as a male I believe that with different tastes we all are the same when we think about pussies

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Endorphine Rush wrote:
Emmetpunk wrote:
There's always just talk about racism against african americans in porn, like how alot of white female perfomers avoid working with them and all these things you've heard before. But what about the black racism against caucasians? In several interracial movies (black guy on white girl), the theme is to degrade and insult caucasian men.. for an example there is a videoseries of 20(!) films entitled "White Boy Stomp" .. there couldn't be a more racist title than this. I've even seen films that shows a white man shoved into a caged, then insulted through the scene while a black man fucks a white woman on top of the cage.
There would be a riot in the adult business if a title like "Black Boy Stomp" came out. So how come this kind of racism is supported?
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Going back to the original question by Emmetpunk at the start of this thread, I have to say that it is of course as objectable to have anti-white propaganda as it is to have anti-black.
It really is as simple as that, despite all the posturing and convuluted argument there's been on this thread so far (I've read through alot of the comments on this thread & some just deviate down blind allys).
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But as has been mentioned in the thread, virtually all of the "anti-white" porn that is made, is made by white directors, for white companies, sold to white customers. So, is it really "anti-white"?
I mean, if black people were making it and the audience was primarily black that might be one thing. But this is something very different.

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Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 3:09AM

^ Exactly, just as most straight porn is made by men it mostly reflects the fantasies of men, similarly more so-called inter-racial porn of the type the OP mentions reflects the fantasies of the white men who make it and buy it. Most black made and black-on-black porn doesn't have what the OP is complaining about. What at first attracted me to a lot of 'black' porn was that it was less obsessed with degradation and rough sex than other kinds of gonzo.

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Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 9:48AM

^ Can you name some companies of this sort?

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Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 10:14AM

^

Now, primarily, West Coast Productions. But typically any directors and companies that produce featuring black on black sex. Black Ice, Evasive Angles, Combat Zone, Darkside, Justin Slayer International, Mercenary Pictures, LT of Elegant Angel, Alexander Devoe of Jules Jordan Video, and various labels under the umbrella of Juicy Entertainment.

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Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 11:07AM

What does 13% of the population have to do with selling? Do you not understand economics?
Let me give you an example. When this one company was making a alternative heart disease analysis. Right now we use a nuclear testing where they inject some radioactive substance into your veins then use an x-ray type device to track its movement so they can locate heart blockages and get an image of the heart. This company developed an alternative using ultrasound that would have an equal percentage rage analysis to the nuclear testing. They estimated 3,000,000 nuclear tests a year. That was their market. That is what they used to get financing and show they could provide a competitive alternative to nuclear testing that was cheaper.
So in porn terms, if you're measuring the market for black female porn. In essence the number of people that will pay money for porn starring or featuring only black women. So you know 12% of your population is black, roughly 49% male. So out of a 100 Americans, around 6 are black males. 35 are white males. 8 are Hispanic. 1 Asian. 1 Native American.
So out of the 35 whites males and 6 black males you have to figure out first who buys porn. Second who would buy porn with black females. What percentage of white dudes you think are attracted to black females? Even women who are hot like Marie Luv? 10%? 20%? Let's go with 20%. Maybe it's higher, maybe it's lower. I don't know. That seems about right to me.
So let's make this easy and assume all the males buy porn. So your market is now 6 black males and 7 white males that are interesting in black female porn.
Whereas the other 80% and let's assume probably 20% of black males will check out white females. So you're looking at 28 white males and 1 black male out of 41 buying white girl porn.
That's why market matters. If you have limited resources, you're going to spend your money in the biggest possible market that will have the largest pool of cash to spend on your product. That's what attracts you. Porn is no different. Sure, there is a market for black female porn. I'm one of the customers. I for one am thankful for porn stars like Marie Luv, Leanni Leanne, Tila Flame, Jordan McKnight, Jeannie Pepper, and all the lovely black women that have managed to make me a happy guy watching they fuck on screen.
But as far as how a porn producer spends his money, it shouldn't be any wonder the majority of money gets dumped into the market segment with the largest audience appeal. White girl porn. It's not like Asians or Latins are getting much of a better deal. The United States is around 70% white. The porn business is just like all entertainment and white performers get favored.
Even look at music. You think Madonna was better than Janet Jackson? Couldn't dance as well as Janet. Spent her entire career exploiting sex and shocking people. Never produced an album of the same quality as Rhythm Nation, yet she is one of the top females of all time. Wasn't even a very good singer or actress.
And Angela Bassett got the big time shaft in Hollywood. Angelina Jolie is Miss Action. She is not a bad actress and has a great sneer as an action chick. But Angela Bassett was equally talented and far more athletic, she got what Strange Days?
And even Marie Luv. On a pure performance basis she is one of the best I've ever seen. Brings the heat in every scene. Even the guys are sweating and huffing and puffing after they're done fucking her. Did you see any awards recognition?
Let's face it. The entertainment business is consumer driven. Where people spend their money is what drives the market. The market majority is white males who like white women. Doesn't mean there is no market for black females. There is or they wouldn't even be in the business. But it's much harder for them to obtain mass market appeal that drives money their way. It has nothing to do with talent.
It's purely based on ethnocentrism of the customer. It's not even really racism. It isn't like they hate black women or men. They just aren't attracted and would prefer to spend their money on white women porn. Just like I'll spend my limited dollars on a black female porn star first like Marie Luv. I'm currently digging Tila Flame and Leanni Leanne.
We all have limited money and we spend it on the things we want. No one forces anyone to buy country music if they like rock or rap. No one can force people to buy black female porn if they like white girls.

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Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 1:04PM

^

Something pathetic is making you irrational if you think that only black buyers
will buy a dvd with a black female performer.

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Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 1:58PM

^ of course it's not , nor whites buy only white porn , but in many cases they mostly do and with a relation of 7:1 it's more than enough to have a greater effect on porn sales , this assuming that both black and whites have the same economic capability, but we all know it's not that the actual case.
Even I without doing this on purpose have seen mostly white porn , and I saw a lot of black porn , I mean black with blacks , I actually didn't even put attention to this until recently

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Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 6:01PM

In response to GGG's question, Bootymeister has pretty much covered it, I'd say the best at their peak was Justin Slayer Productions and some Black Ice stuff. Nothing remarkable here in terms of gonzo but there seemed to be a much stronger sense of fun and pleasure from the performers in these films. Juan Cuba also did some quality stuff.
In contrast, look at (white director) TT Boy's Black Street Hookers series. We've heard from reliable sources here on ADT that TT Boy has even been using Marc Wallice as a director on some of his videos.
As to who is buying black-on-black porn. That's an open question. I don't think one can assume that it is simply a majority of black viewers, from conversations here on ADT it seems that many fans of black female performers are white.
For example, I doubt that the majority of fans of London Keyes and Asa Akira are asian men.
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Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 6:13PM

^ I had heard some unpleasant things about Justin Slayer in terms of his treatment/attitude toward female performers so I never bothered with it. I would be happy to hear I am misinformed.

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Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 6:29PM

Was this BTS? On camera he's pretty far from rough imo.

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Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 6:34PM

In response to your first point in my quote here are some responses , many whites like to see a black girl with a white male.
Anyway although I can admit that many watch Asa Akira or London Keys I also assume that many Asians prefer to watch the likes , it's not racism , I believe it is a cultural thing while growing up all of us is been bombed with models , what is beauty what is not, our parents, our relatives, our friends , all of them are good , because we love them and so we use them as a model , it is beyond race , It's human , that doesn't mean we can't be attracted to any female around but our tastes are usually modeled out of our control
For the second part I don't know , I stopped to buy/rent anything from DVSX after they hired Marc as a director ,didn't know he worked for TT Boy too if confirmed another company will go immediately in my no no list along with DVSX and JM
Also I don't know anything about Justin's attitude toward porn performers but I like his directing I used to watch his movies even before he entered Evil Angel and of course before he founded his own company.

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Posted - Jan 17 2012 : 6:50PM

It was a description and partial transcript of a commentary on a DVD scene, in addition to an interview I read with him.

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A-ten wrote:
HollywoodBilderbergGroup wrote:
what does 13% of the population have to do with selling tho? u make it sound like all black people and white people think the same
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What does 13% of the population have to do with selling? Do you not understand economics?
Let me give you an example. When this one company was making a alternative heart disease analysis. Right now we use a nuclear testing where they inject some radioactive substance into your veins then use an x-ray type device to track its movement so they can locate heart blockages and get an image of the heart. This company developed an alternative using ultrasound that would have an equal percentage rage analysis to the nuclear testing. They estimated 3,000,000 nuclear tests a year. That was their market. That is what they used to get financing and show they could provide a competitive alternative to nuclear testing that was cheaper.
So in porn terms, if you're measuring the market for black female porn. In essence the number of people that will pay money for porn starring or featuring only black women. So you know 12% of your population is black, roughly 49% male. So out of a 100 Americans, around 6 are black males. 35 are white males. 8 are Hispanic. 1 Asian. 1 Native American.
So out of the 35 whites males and 6 black males you have to figure out first who buys porn. Second who would buy porn with black females. What percentage of white dudes you think are attracted to black females? Even women who are hot like Marie Luv? 10%? 20%? Let's go with 20%. Maybe it's higher, maybe it's lower. I don't know. That seems about right to me.
So let's make this easy and assume all the males buy porn. So your market is now 6 black males and 7 white males that are interesting in black female porn.
Whereas the other 80% and let's assume probably 20% of black males will check out white females. So you're looking at 28 white males and 1 black male out of 41 buying white girl porn.
That's why market matters. If you have limited resources, you're going to spend your money in the biggest possible market that will have the largest pool of cash to spend on your product. That's what attracts you. Porn is no different. Sure, there is a market for black female porn. I'm one of the customers. I for one am thankful for porn stars like Marie Luv, Leanni Leanne, Tila Flame, Jordan McKnight, Jeannie Pepper, and all the lovely black women that have managed to make me a happy guy watching they fuck on screen.
But as far as how a porn producer spends his money, it shouldn't be any wonder the majority of money gets dumped into the market segment with the largest audience appeal. White girl porn. It's not like Asians or Latins are getting much of a better deal. The United States is around 70% white. The porn business is just like all entertainment and white performers get favored.
Even look at music. You think Madonna was better than Janet Jackson? Couldn't dance as well as Janet. Spent her entire career exploiting sex and shocking people. Never produced an album of the same quality as Rhythm Nation, yet she is one of the top females of all time. Wasn't even a very good singer or actress.
And Angela Bassett got the big time shaft in Hollywood. Angelina Jolie is Miss Action. She is not a bad actress and has a great sneer as an action chick. But Angela Bassett was equally talented and far more athletic, she got what Strange Days?
And even Marie Luv. On a pure performance basis she is one of the best I've ever seen. Brings the heat in every scene. Even the guys are sweating and huffing and puffing after they're done fucking her. Did you see any awards recognition?
Let's face it. The entertainment business is consumer driven. Where people spend their money is what drives the market. The market majority is white males who like white women. Doesn't mean there is no market for black females. There is or they wouldn't even be in the business. But it's much harder for them to obtain mass market appeal that drives money their way. It has nothing to do with talent.
It's purely based on ethnocentrism of the customer. It's not even really racism. It isn't like they hate black women or men. They just aren't attracted and would prefer to spend their money on white women porn. Just like I'll spend my limited dollars on a black female porn star first like Marie Luv. I'm currently digging Tila Flame and Leanni Leanne.
We all have limited money and we spend it on the things we want. No one forces anyone to buy country music if they like rock or rap. No one can force people to buy black female porn if they like white girls.
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You know you could transpose a similar argument (and some have) onto the entire labour market. That's why there are (or should be) legal protections against it. A hotel manager can argue that customers would prefer to deal with a white person at the reception desk,for instance. He's noticed that he gets alot of busines from across the street where the reception staff are black. Same with taxi firms that get requests for white drivers. Would you say that this is racist or simply the "market preference"? Could it possibly be both?
Edited by - David Cop-a-feel on 1/17/2012 7:41:16 PM

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Posted - Jan 18 2012 : 3:39AM

^
This is complete nonsense how could you force people to buy something he don't want to by law?
would you force vegans to eat meat?
you're talking about discrimination in a working environment we are talking about people NOT BUYING goods from a seller.

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Posted - Jan 18 2012 : 3:55PM

He's one of those guys with a "white only" sign hitched to tha back of his trailer, a pathetic muthafucka foreal. Just be honest and say what u really wanna say, fuck the etiquette. I know a troll and a wannabe oppressor when I see one. "oh I have black friends", "I love basketball and jazz", yadayada. I get it tho, I'm not even trippin, I don't even kno who he is.
I see all these numbers and no facts. So since no one can produce facts then no one is right until further notice. Simple as that, there's your pie!

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Posted - Jan 18 2012 : 4:05PM

^
Who is the subject of your reply?

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Posted - Jan 18 2012 : 7:33PM

^^^
Err, no we were on the topic of the wage discrepancy between black and white performers and the reasons why a porn producer hires and pays what he/she does to different performers. I'll grant you though, your interpretation of my post is amusing.
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Edited by - David Cop-a-feel on 1/18/2012 7:42:32 PM

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Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 2:47AM

Include this old white boy as a fan of black female performers.

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Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 6:50AM

This has already been discussed here or in another thread now closed , again you can't force that , if an all white sells 10,000 and an all black sells 3,000 , you can't pay the same you won't have enough revenues to do that, if you force by law to pay the same no matter the incomes then , who will produce movies with low expectations and high costs? Maybe it will end with nobody hiring a black girl at all.
also it is not an employment contract this is usually a one time hire , a professional contract , there's no law who can force to pay the same such contracts , there are those better than the others and they cannot be paid the same.
Who will decide who's better?
A committee?
Or those buying a movie with a star instead of another?
what you say would be good in an employment matter all those doing the same things in the same way with a common contract MUST be paid the same no matter sex, religion or ethnicity , but not an individual professional contract

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Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 11:03AM

^

You need to stop going out of your way making ignorant arguments defending racially discriminatory pracitices in porn. You must think porn stars are as dumb as you are. The accounts of lower pay are comparing similar gigs. Also, these accounts are nothing new and never, as far as I know, been contradicted. Nobody is talking about making more-all black porn. We are more concerned with including one black female performer in a main-stream 5 scene gonzo. Where is the info that says that men buy DVDs based on liking all 5 pornstars? Where is the info that says that men are less likely to buy DVDs if 1 of the 5 pornstars is black?

Also, too much speculative anlaysis is being made about buying behavior. What people buy is more influenced by studios, distributors and retailers, especially in porn. Consumers can only make the best choice available, they do not decide which DVDs make it to the retailer.

No one is forcing anyone to watch the 5th most appealing scene in a gonzo flick whether the star is black or white.

Edited by - bootymeister on 1/19/2012 12:01:09 PM

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Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 11:23AM

agreed. Only a fucking idiot thinks "bawww only black men like watching black women." I'm sensing some serious racial anxiety going on here.

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Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 11:38AM

So you are saying the producer can predict the future and knows how many DVD's will sell? And then calculate the performer pay based on the prediction? I call B.S. on that. Yes you have put forth that theory in numerous posts and repeated it. But repeating bogus stuff doesn't make it truth. And just because nobody challenges it doesn't mean people accept/believe it. Yes I've protested this point before, and you posted a rebuttal, and I let it drop. Not because you convinced me of the truth. But because you convinced me that a rational logical reasoned discussion is futile. Your entire argument rests on that bogus foundation, and you are too heavily invested in it to change. I understand that.
Nevertheless, I'll give it another try, for the benefit of the other readers.
If you visit the thread discussions about performer pay rates, those girls who do answer usually give a vague $$ range and some companies pay a little more than others, and west coast companies pay a little more than other parts of the US, and pay depends on the type of sex acts they are expected to do, and sometimes a white girl gets more for doing a black guy and trivia like that. NEVER has anyone said anything about what was the title of the DVD and how high/low were the expected/actual DVD sales numbers or anything like that in discussion about pay rates.

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Posted - Jan 19 2012 : 2:37PM

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Let's make it clear nobody predicts any future with magic but can analyze many previous sale rates, his own and those of competitors and calculate a likely possibility of sales , it's called STATISTICS , if a baseball player has no home run in his career it's logical to guess he hardly will do in his next match.
It's not difficult to understand, actually I thought it was a given it's basis in economics
The most largest and rich companies are those with the less IR , you may think it's a coincidence , but it is unlikely.
There's no black contract star as far as I know , not even in black owned companies again you might think it is a coincidence, but it is unlikely
I don't have figures but I repeatedly asked if black owned companies pay their black performers more than white owned company , nobody answered , for what I know they pay the same , a coincidence? Racism? Unlikely in both cases

I never said that , I'm a black porn consumer myself but there's a proportion someone here said that blacks are 12 or 13% of American population that means that non blacks are at least the 87% .
Assuming that there are not differences in what all of them can afford , that means that considering say 10,000 of porn buyers 8,700 aren't black and 1,300 are black.
Now unless the majority of non black porn consumers actually buy black porn there always be a great difference about what they buy compared to what black consumers will do they are 7:1 seven times more also black porn consumers too don't always buy black porn.
Anyway I believe there is something unclear about my points I put question and answers hoping to clarify.
Is there racism in porn?
Sure it is as in any other place
is it always racism when there's a difference?
No there are market reasons for some of them
Would it be better if there wasn't any difference?
Of course would be
Should black performers get paid the same as any other?
If the market make this affordable surely yes
Do I like basketball?
No I prefer other sports
Do I like Jazz?
Yes of course , and I like Blues and funky too, but I absolutely hate rap music
Do I have black friends?
No I call true friends only a group of five which I know from elementary school , none of them is black.I'm not planning to catch some random black and ask him if he wants to become a close friend of mine.
Do I know blacks ?
Yes of course a female friend of mine , close but not in the restricted group, has a black boyfriend , they have 2 children , I even tried to begin a story with her sister in law.
A male friend of mine , again close but not in the inner circle is married with a black woman from Cuba , they have a daughter.
I'm not changing what I am nor faking what I'm not because of this thread , what I said is very clear for all those who really want to discuss

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Nobody is mad at you for being Caucasian, you're gay.
I don't have to talk to you tho, so I never tripped. U and other folks like u

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^ Please don't use "gay" to mean stupid or something similar.
That is highly offensive.

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A-ten wrote:
HollywoodBilderbergGroup wrote:
what does 13% of the population have to do with selling tho? u make it sound like all black people and white people think the same
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What does 13% of the population have to do with selling? Do you not understand economics?
Let me give you an example. When this one company was making a alternative heart disease analysis. Right now we use a nuclear testing where they inject some radioactive substance into your veins then use an x-ray type device to track its movement so they can locate heart blockages and get an image of the heart. This company developed an alternative using ultrasound that would have an equal percentage rage analysis to the nuclear testing. They estimated 3,000,000 nuclear tests a year. That was their market. That is what they used to get financing and show they could provide a competitive alternative to nuclear testing that was cheaper.
So in porn terms, if you're measuring the market for black female porn. In essence the number of people that will pay money for porn starring or featuring only black women. So you know 12% of your population is black, roughly 49% male. So out of a 100 Americans, around 6 are black males. 35 are white males. 8 are Hispanic. 1 Asian. 1 Native American.
So out of the 35 whites males and 6 black males you have to figure out first who buys porn. Second who would buy porn with black females. What percentage of white dudes you think are attracted to black females? Even women who are hot like Marie Luv? 10%? 20%? Let's go with 20%. Maybe it's higher, maybe it's lower. I don't know. That seems about right to me.
So let's make this easy and assume all the males buy porn. So your market is now 6 black males and 7 white males that are interesting in black female porn.
Whereas the other 80% and let's assume probably 20% of black males will check out white females. So you're looking at 28 white males and 1 black male out of 41 buying white girl porn.
That's why market matters. If you have limited resources, you're going to spend your money in the biggest possible market that will have the largest pool of cash to spend on your product. That's what attracts you. Porn is no different. Sure, there is a market for black female porn. I'm one of the customers. I for one am thankful for porn stars like Marie Luv, Leanni Leanne, Tila Flame, Jordan McKnight, Jeannie Pepper, and all the lovely black women that have managed to make me a happy guy watching they fuck on screen.
But as far as how a porn producer spends his money, it shouldn't be any wonder the majority of money gets dumped into the market segment with the largest audience appeal. White girl porn. It's not like Asians or Latins are getting much of a better deal. The United States is around 70% white. The porn business is just like all entertainment and white performers get favored.
Even look at music. You think Madonna was better than Janet Jackson? Couldn't dance as well as Janet. Spent her entire career exploiting sex and shocking people. Never produced an album of the same quality as Rhythm Nation, yet she is one of the top females of all time. Wasn't even a very good singer or actress.
And Angela Bassett got the big time shaft in Hollywood. Angelina Jolie is Miss Action. She is not a bad actress and has a great sneer as an action chick. But Angela Bassett was equally talented and far more athletic, she got what Strange Days?
And even Marie Luv. On a pure performance basis she is one of the best I've ever seen. Brings the heat in every scene. Even the guys are sweating and huffing and puffing after they're done fucking her. Did you see any awards recognition?
Let's face it. The entertainment business is consumer driven. Where people spend their money is what drives the market. The market majority is white males who like white women. Doesn't mean there is no market for black females. There is or they wouldn't even be in the business. But it's much harder for them to obtain mass market appeal that drives money their way. It has nothing to do with talent.
It's purely based on ethnocentrism of the customer. It's not even really racism. It isn't like they hate black women or men. They just aren't attracted and would prefer to spend their money on white women porn. Just like I'll spend my limited dollars on a black female porn star first like Marie Luv. I'm currently digging Tila Flame and Leanni Leanne.
We all have limited money and we spend it on the things we want. No one forces anyone to buy country music if they like rock or rap. No one can force people to buy black female porn if they like white girls.
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You, and others, need to stop insulting LCF just because he's pointing out cold, hard economic truths that you don't want to hear.

First of all, it's absurd to speak of "similar gigs" or "equal work" in the context of the performing arts. This is not the post office, the secretarial pool, the factory floor, or the call center, where it doesn't matter who does any particular job. It's the opposite of that. Producers hire performers who sell tickets, DVDs, website subscriptions, etc. Consumers like what they like, and spend their money accordingly. Mostly, what they like is idealized, younger, prettier versions of themselves, or opposite-sex versions of same. It may not be "fair" that Marie Luv can't charge as much as a given white performer who may do inferior scenes, but guess what: Paul Giamatti can't charge as much as Tom Cruise, either, even though he's a far superior actor. Is it Paul Giamatti's fault that he looks like Paul Giamatti instead of like Tom Cruise? No, it is not; he was born that way. Is Paul Giamatti being "discriminated" against?
Secondly, as to "the accounts of lower pay": there is, as far as I am aware, no dependable source of verified data regarding what performers are really making. The only people who really know aren't gossiping about it on message boards or complaining about it on Twitter. So this whole discussion is suspect to begin with.

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LCF is an adult, who I believe is European, who has interestingly chosen to defend the US adult industry's racially absurd policies.
And he's chosen to continue to stick to his belief that because Blacks are a lower percentage of the population, regardless of their fame or ability to sell movies, that it's right that they're paid less.
Now such a position is blatantly false and flies in the face of modern accepted pay practices in the labor market. Thus whatever economic "truths" you're referring to him talking about aren't included in the argument he's been making.

That's an interesting analogy, but not terribly pertinent to what is being discussed in this thread. Paul isn't an A-list actor so obviously he wouldn't be paid as well as Tom Cruise.
An analogy that would be similar to what we're referring to is a white John Doe fresh off the bus in Hollywood being paid the same amount as Morgan Freeman, A-List actor, solely because he's white.
Think that makes sense?

Of course Harri, information straight from the actresses themselves isn't to be trusted because it contradicts what you want to believe. But the facts are the facts.

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ServerZ wrote:
Harri Patel wrote:
You, and others, need to stop insulting LCF just because he's pointing out cold, hard economic truths that you don't want to hear.
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LCF is an adult, who I believe is European, who has interestingly chosen to defend the US adult industry's racially absurd policies.
And he's chosen to continue to stick to his belief that because Blacks are a lower percentage of the population, regardless of their fame or ability to sell movies, that it's right that they're paid less.
Now such a position is blatantly false and flies in the face of modern accepted pay practices in the labor market. Thus whatever economic "truths" you're referring to him talking about aren't included in the argument he's been making.
Of course Harri, information straight from the actresses themselves isn't to be trusted because it contradicts what you want to believe. But the facts are the facts.
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Yes, I am an adult European and I didn't choose to defend anything less of all any racist practice
Also I NEVER said nor I ever would that a black should be paid less because black are a lower percentage , I said that black porn sells less than white porn , the lower percentage of population is a reason why this happens , not cause to pay less , I believed to be clear on this , maybe it's my poor English or maybe it is what you won't understand on purpose
The labor market is not porn market if you buy a car it doesn't matter who were the workers who made it, if you buy a porn DVD who is in there performing DOES matter.
If you put say Amy Ried on a cover alone or Marie Luv on another alone , the first will sell more than the second , if you put both on a cover that DVD will mostly sell because of Amy rather than Marie also in some case Marie's presence could even affect the sells.
Be aware that I personally would chose both DVDs with Marie i because of her
let's try a game , remove the word black from all my posts and add the word FAT or 50+ old performers now apply all my points to them do they seem logical to you?
That kind of porn sells even less than black porn

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Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 9:54AM

... or we should do what you obviously have been thinking in all of your posts, Laurie Cameron Fan, replace the word 'black' with 'ugly'.

Edited by - bootymeister on 1/20/2012 9:56:18 AM

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NP
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gos·sip/ˈgäsip/
Noun:
Casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true.
Example: "what some black female pornstars have been saying since the 80s"

No, that's not what I pointed out. The information to refute (or support, or lead to no definitive conclusion on) these claims most certainly exists, in the form of checks, tax forms, and accounting records. What I pointed out is that the people who possess these documents, and have the direct personal knowledge of the information which underlies them -- producers and agents, in other words -- do not publicly disclose this information, and in all likelihood never will, in the absence of being legally compelled to do so.
The fact that you are incapable of responding to a view which contradicts your own without resorting to an insult ("the only rational part of your post") is again noted.

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Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 3:51PM

I might indeed find some black girl ugly and I might find ugly any other kind of girl as well being a matter of taste , but I said you won't understand so you can't , the meaning of my post has nothing to do with beauty , again has to do with sells , fat o chubby girls do have a fanbase but is a minority and thus their sells aren't high , same for 50+ women it doesn't mean they are ugly does mean that their sells are low.
as for me thinking that blacks are ugly, well I'm member of ADT since 2005 almost 7 years now , here are many posts of me showing my admiration for MANY black girls , really a lot , your statement is simply untrue, this board is full of evidences.
Also you put your statement selecting a quote from a post in which I said that I prefer Marie Luv over Amy Reid.
this discussion has lost is meaning , I was merely stating that not all of what make a difference between porn performers is racism , some different reasons might be the cause of this , racism could be one, no doubt I just pointed out another , we could go further discussing the matter to find out what is a true racist discrimination and when this occur, but we are stuck for pages to the same point instead.
also it is apparent the will to misunderstand what I say If I say A you will state: this is racism! you said A because it comes prior to B in an alphabetical order so you're point is that B as Black comes second
I I asked many times why there's not a black contract star even in black productions but all of you pretend to not see the question
also I asked why even black producers pay the black stars the same as white producers but again all of you pretend to overlook this question.
being black owned companies with black producers and black directors racism is out of the question ,so why?
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Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 3:53PM

The adult model is pretty much the same as the mainstream one, economically at least.
Example: An acquaintance of mine is a very hard working actress, known to the horror film crowd. She worked on several low budget projects last year, and openly admitted to me that she barely cleared $24,000 for her film work in 2011, even though she was hired consistently (yes, she supplemented her income with convention appearances, magazine columns, etc).
Paris Hilton, also something of a scream queen thanks to House of Wax and Repo: The Genetic Opera, makes nearly that much to show up drunk for one hour every time she "hosts" one of her Vegas nightclub appearances.
Both women share the same skin color.
They share the same hair color.
They even share the same eye color
The difference? Their perceived value in the marketplace as consumer draws.

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Exactly the perceived value for market has nothing to do with actual ability nor popularity nor race , it is only a matter of generated incomes for the producers

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Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 6:30PM

That is in no way close to being true. There is nothing like S.A.G. in the adult film industry. Unless, of course you are referring to the racially discriminatory hiring practices of both industries.

Edited by - bootymeister on 1/20/2012 6:35:45 PM

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bootymeister
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Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 6:46PM

Yeah, it's what you pointed out:

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Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 6:56PM

I wish adult industry performers were allowed to join S.A.G. While many never have any acting or speaking parts other than "oohh..ahhhh!...ohhhh!", a few are good with dialog, when given the chance.
No one has really addressed my question in this thread about the IR tag itself being discriminatory.
Why does the IR tag apply only to performances between black and white performers and not performers of other races? Why isn't the IR tag applied to titles where latin and white or asian and white performers appear?
The solution? Don't even use the damn thing.
Edited by - dogzcatcher on 1/20/2012 6:58:40 PM

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Posted - Jan 20 2012 : 7:42PM

Laurie Cameron Fan said:
"I asked many times why there's not a black contract star even in black productions but all of you pretend to not see the question."
Well, that could be down to alot of things, including racist porn companies. Do you not think that many sexy Black women couldn't have wider appeal if they're marketed properly? Look at mainstream entertainment, performers like Beyonce, Rhianna, Halle Berry,and others can cause all kinds of folks,even White ones, to part with their money or drool with lust.

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Jennifer Hudson
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Do I need to go on....
On a scale (realistically):
Love And Hip Hop >>>>> Mob Wives
Barack Obama >>>>> John McCane
Air Jordans >>>>>> Vans
Hip Hop >>>>> Rock (both of which were invented by Black Americans)
Naturally OVERALL African Americans are better Entertainers than the rest of the world, it's been proven time and time again. We do need Caucasians to sell, that is so very true (for now) but this is North America and we're North American (even tho some of us are immigrants) so of course we need our Caucasian brothers and Sisters to support us too.
Your words teach hate to the ignorant and poison some of the readers (who already have bigger issues at hand) and that's 1 of the reasons I don't fuck with you and your unihabital kind. I mean, you probably watch that South Carolina Debate on CNN or read about it and then fell in love with a candidate. You're practical, not intelligent.
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You do recognize that he works in the industry, right?

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