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ultimate_sperminator
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 6:41AM
Legal Porno is only one of a few fairly new studios from Europe that provides currently the biggest output on real old school gonzo porn. Compared to the amount of releases coming from US studios only Legal Porno hast the double of output even when you count all american studios together. And I´m talkin here from gonzo porn that means scene contains: ATM, DP, DAP, TAP, FACE FUcking, Balls Deep, Merry Go Rounds, SWALLOWING MULIPLE LOADS, CUM GARGLING ETC..
Why can this work in Europe and not in US anymore? Otherwise I would suggest the american girls to visit Europe if they wanna expierience some real hardcore poundings.
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 7:54AM
All that except for the DAP is in every other Evil Angel and Jules Jordan video. DAP you see in some of Mason's gangbang videos.
ultimate_sperminator
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 8:01AM
Seems like you are not really aware of the content that Legal Porno shoots... Just pick Jessie Volt´s latest 4on2 scene or Julie Skyhigh´s latest 3 on 1 scene and then tell me it´s the same aggressiv gonzo style that Legal shoots. Also there is a question regarding the output compairing both continents. How many DAP´s shoot Jules Jordan in YEAR??? HOW many Mason?? How Many Darkko?
ultimate_sperminator
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 8:02AM
Soory Jessie´s scene was a 4 on 1
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 8:20AM
I said that EA doesn't do DAPs so chill out. Mason shot a couple of DAPs in the Gangbang series. I haven't kept up with that series but remember them in Dana DeArmond and Bobbi Starr's scenes, maybe a few more.
You seem focused on DAP, many of the other things you mention like DPs and ATM are par for the course in lots of porn.
In terms of roughness I find most Europorn so cool emotionally that the much vaunted roughness feels inconsequential. This is true even of Rocco's best work. I much prefer the intensity of Jake Malone (R.I.P) or Mason's rough stuff. Silvera and Nacho still bring a real sense of perversity and in Nacho's case some of his scenes are still very rough although he seems to be doing more one-on-one scens these days. Again, that doesn't bother me as I find the energy more authentic in one-on-one.
Frequency is a bad barometer of quality. If done every scene it all becomes too banal.
Edited by - BlackSix on 10/11/2015 8:30:06 AM
 
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 8:27AM
*double post*
Edited by - BlackSix on 10/11/2015 8:28:09 AM
Dublin_ireland
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 9:47AM
The main difference (maybe the only difference) between LP and the rougher side of US porn is the pissing. The amount of piss in some LP scenes would never be seen in a US scene, even the more OTT 'squirt' scenes. But with the end of the pissing scenes at LP even that is no longer a USP.
JigglyBoobs
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 9:57AM
So is hardcore porn considered softcore by comparison if a woman doesn't do circus acts such as taking 20 penises up her butt at the same time and being pissed on for good measure?
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 11:31AM
^I understand the OP's view to be this: Anal is more hardcore than vag, DP is more hardcore than anal, DAP is more hardcore than DP, etc. By softcore I think that the OP means "softer than", ie. anal is softer than DP, vag is softer than anal, etc.
pat362
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 12:32PM
^To be honest. I'm not too sure what the OP is trying to say because he referenced what LP does to old time gonzo. I'd love to know exactly when he started watching porn because gonzo porn more or less started in the 90's and their stuff is for the most part significantly tamer to most of what LP shoots. Anal and DP's were commen in the 90's but DAP and TAP were not. In fact you would be hard pressed to find but a rare few scenes.
I applaud LP because they found a niche that wasn't been met by any other company and they have run with it but I can't say that I enjoy most of their porn. Too often the women look uncomfortable for me to really enjoy the scenes.
I'd also like point out that a lot of what LP shoots in Europe could never be shot in North America in large part because the women would never want to shoot those kind of scenes. You can believe that a woman is thrilled to do a DAP or a DVP but I reserve the right not to.
Edited by - pat362 on 10/11/2015 12:52:16 PM
tintintin
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 12:57PM
Legal Porno is just gymnsastics without passion.
Girls look bored
Girl look like they don't like it
Boys act like they just workout
Girls don''t interact.. just wait until the guy is finished so they can go home
American porn indeed is soft in comparison to legal porno but I rather have passion and good acting in stead of going thru the motion
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 1:07PM
It depends on who's performing.
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 1:27PM
I think it has more to do with the attitude of and towards the women in question. Euro gals have no problem doing the nasty hardcore acts right off the bat because that's the norm over there. Western women are more calculating and approach that type of porn from the an angle that nobody would ever do stuff like that without being paid, so it's got to be worth their while.
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 1:28PM
Come to think of it, I'm not sure that there was ever an American studio releasing as many DAP scenes as LP does, not even at the height of gonzo era.
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 1:31PM
Indeed, the whole idea of strategically pacing your career doesn't really seem to be present in Europe, or at least not to the extent that it is here.
 
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 1:32PM
It's circuses all the way down.
ultimate_sperminator
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 1:51PM
If you mean with "pacing" performers like Riley Reid who waited 5 years or whatever for first anal than I can sure live without "pacing". That´s a joke the girl should fuck on camera like she likes to fuck and trust me there are many woman who like the style of legal shot scenes.
brobang
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 2:35PM
Legalporno has the edge over US porn..considering the size of the dicks there performers have....Ian, Kid, Chris...they are not just blessed with Big but thick dicks..
even a Anal scene with any of those is much hard/rough than the Double Anal (most of DA scenes are like tip fucking) with the performers in the States...and of course the energy of these european studs are on different level....but having said that scenes @Legalporno lack chemistry...they just fuck like some mechanical robots...which some times is a turn-off
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misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 2:41PM
Porn is a business, and pacing your career is considered smart business in American porn. Europe's porn industry apparently functions differently, and as a viewer I definitely prefer their model because I get more of what I want to see when I want to see it. That said, what's good for me the viewer isn't necessarily good for pornstars, so I'm hesitant to suggest that the European model is superior in general or would work well here in the US. So sure, I like the European approach more, bet beyond that I don't know.
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 2:44PM
It depends on who's performing.
2bollocks
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 2:46PM
That's because they have foreskin unlike most of the US performers. Thicker and more effective schlongs.
But I hear bad things about LP, things like they get girls to use numbing creams on their assholes to cope with the pain of extreme penetrations, girls having to go to hospitals afterwards at times with injuries, some girls who quit porn after shooting for LP because it was so tough mentally and physically etc. I can't say this is all proven but the talks are part of the business and honestly from what I've seen described some of the girls' behaviors during scenes seem to give credence to those stories.
Blazed and Confused
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 2:54PM
What I'd like to know is why LP shoots so few DPP scenes. Are Euro girls' pussies tighter and their asses looser than their American colleagues? Sandra Drake did DPP without DAP and people were despondent. Other way around, no one seems to care. I have to give the devil his due though, LP puts out a ton of well produced films.
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 2:59PM
^Maybe you should ask why LP would shoot more DPP when they're getting by just fine without it.
ultimate_sperminator
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 3:02PM
Guys I´m not talking about girls who quit shooting after they did a scene with Legal Porno. Even in US porn from 2003 - 2008 it happened quite often that the girl wasn´t yet ready for a hard gonzo scene. Do somebody remeber Sativa Rose scene in gangbang auditions?
 
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 3:06PM
Bad things can be said about any business. What needs to be examined is whether there are multiple, reliable sources or not.
Blazed and Confused
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 3:06PM
Because why not? It would expand their market while costing them basically nothing. I'm not saying shoot less DAP or even make it a 1:1 ratio, but surely they could put a little bit in a few more of their scenes without much trouble. Maybe you're a 0% pussy fan, in that case I got nothin'.
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 3:10PM
^Maybe it would give them a substantial boost, maybe not. I'd assume that they're more likely to know than either you or me, though I can't help but notice that you yourself wrote:
Foobachi
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 3:11PM
Reasons I don't like Legalporno:
Most of the girls look sickly/anorexic/strung out on drugs
None of the girls smile or look to be enjoying anything happening.
The 100% white backgrounds and furniture are terrible and blinding to look at.
Kreme scenes aren't sexy at all. Stupid stunt porn.
Lots of ugly Eastern European girls covered with bruises, zits, dumb tattoos, and really bad hair and makeup. Just plain ugly.
Guys don't try to make the girls cum/enjoy the scene, just treat them like ragsdolls. Borders on rape.
Blazed and Confused
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 3:11PM
Touché
ultimate_sperminator
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 3:41PM
Again guys, the question is why can Legal Porno have such a huge output them. When nodoby would buy their scenes how should they be able to exist? Also they have higher production costs due to more performers so I guess there have be folks outthere buying their stuff.
ultimate_sperminator
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 4:15PM
Strange things happens.....
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darthroc
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 4:25PM
Which is why I much prefer the American girls over the European ones. A girl who paces her career seems more mysterious and therefore exciting. If anything American stars dont pace their careers enough for me. More stars should do more softcore and solo work, along with artistic photograhy and mainstream photogrpahy. The girls that have come closest to this for me are Dani Daniels, Eva Lovia, Chloe Amour, Teal Conrad, and Evelyn Lin. Seeing girls do multiple dps within their first 3 months gets boring.
I think there is a balance between that and doing your first hardcore scene for dogfart or pierre woodman.
Edited by - darthroc on 10/11/2015 4:26:15 PM
Foobachi
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Posted - Oct 11 2015 : 8:22PM
people aren't buying their scenes for the quality of the sex or the looks of the performers. They are buying it for the shock factor. The piss swallowing, the enema scenes, the degradation, and borderline gangrape visuals. There's enough of a "closeted rapist creep" market to keep them afloat in a porn industry dominated by overproduced cable TV friendly vanilla lesbian porn.
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 1:19AM
How do you know that?
 
chessmaster
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^this.
ultimate_sperminator
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 6:37AM
Strange Legal Porno is so disgusting and another well known US perfomrer would love to shoot for them if they rate would be ok....
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geralt
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 8:14AM
that's horrible :( What sources do you have?
geralt
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 8:24AM
Agreed, the girls look really unhappy and not enjoying things at all, just like it's some sort of ordeal to get through to get a pay check.
I think it's a difference between euro girls and american girls.
For some really poor eastern european girls perhaps doing porn is a way to put food on the table and to survive, that may be true for some american performers too but kinda feels more like a choice and more volountary, they can survive doing other things but prefer to do porn for a lot of other reasons, gets themselves listed at a good agency and many choose to do stuff on the side like feature dancing so it seems more easy to do a good career I have a hard time believing that doing LP could be some sort of "stepping stone" for the girls to go on to something bigger and better.
Another thing I really wonder about LP is where the get their supply of girls, sometimes I wonder about the involountary part of it all how many of them that are trafficking victims and have to do the scenes (and agree to any sexual act possible) to supply their pimp/"owner" with more money, perhaps that could be why some of them look absolutely unhappy and robotic in the scenes. But I really hope I'm wrong and that girls work for LP because they want to and get well paid for doing it.
ultimate_sperminator
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 8:44AM
This is how Julie Skyhigh looked after her Legal Porno scene where she got straight fucked into the ass from the beginning on. The scene included messy DAP action and high energy ass poundings for Mrs. Julie and she was also so kind to let all guys blast their load in her mouth which she collected in a glass and happily drinks at the end of the scene....For me Julie looks happy after the scene and she told me on twitter that she loved it!
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Foobachi
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 8:47AM
I would bet that LP is at least in some way affiliated with eastern European organized crime and their notorious white slavery/prostitution rings. Lots of it looks to be forced to the point of being held captive. It's no secret that Prague is the European epicenter for this kind of activity.
Edited by - foobachi on 10/12/2015 8:48:04 AM
Edited by - foobachi on 10/12/2015 8:48:26 AM
Foobachi
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 8:51AM
read the rest of this thread. or any other thread on this board about LP. people are bragging about how "hard" it is compared to US porn. not how "good" it is. how HARD it is. They are buying it for the shock factor. Everyone on this board who defends LP brags about how much harder their scenes are than other production companies.
ultimate_sperminator
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 8:52AM
Seems like more you are jelaous how good the European girls are...
Foobachi
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 9:04AM
why would I be jealous of something I have just as much access to that you do? that doesn't make any sense.
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 9:05AM
MOD:
No personal attacks, if you can't discuss the topic at hand without going after someone for their personal views, then don't be a part of the discussion.
2bollocks
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 9:54AM
I don't have like legit sources so I'm not gonna say this is all true. But these rumors linger around European porn forums like eurobabeindex and the woodman forum etc. Personally I don't doubt them, sometime you just have a gut feeling about something and I've gotten that when I see LP, I can't watch their stuff.
Foobachi
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 10:02AM
That is the politically correct way of her saying "LP can't afford me, so don't waste my time with stupid requests". She already knows they aren't going to pay her rate and her ticket there.
STEMCELL
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 10:27AM
^^^^ ha, you are clueless fanboy with a big mouth, that´s all
Foobachi
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 10:43AM
fanboy of who?
I'm clearly not a fan of LP. and I'm no fan of Casey's either. She doesn't do it for me.
any other ideas?
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 10:56AM
You don't know how many people commenting on this thread or on any other are actually paying for LP scenes. Actually, you don't seem to know much about LP's paying customers at all. It seems to me that you're just making guesses based on personal bias.
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 12 2015 : 10:59AM
Thank you for that ultimate_sperminator. Like I wrote twice already, it depends on who's performing.
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