Right and said males look like the same people who are always b*tching about racism. I realize getting paid to sleep with white women is like carrots to bugs bunny, but i find it funny. Seems like in other decades it was not quite the same. Now some is much more extreme like the n word and things of those natures. And porn does seem very lefty at least the actors and actresses. There are some more conservative but I am sure they are higher up as evidenced by all the blm all over some stars twitters and when some same stars allow them selves to be stereotyped or demand more money to have sex with blacks that being a hypocrite which i love to point out when lefties do that.
You seem to know alot about the industry so here is a prediction and i heard it from someone else. I do not think blacked or dog fart are going away. Too much money is involved. Now various articles mention many white women's first experience with a black man is on film. People tend to find their own race attractive more than others and many articles have been written that white men and women are the top group that does this while blacks are most open to dating other races. I would be happy to try find the article if someone wants to hurl racist around. I am sure presentation of IR as opposed to racism is why there was time some white women in porn did not do IR. Now its hard to think of any except the young stars knowing that there might be a big payday to hold out.
So i think girls will be peer pressured and fear of being called racist that they will do it much faster. I think any IR rate even for a first one will go away as if we are all "equal" what is so big about sleeping with a black man compared to white or latino? That i think is a key question even now. I am sure since most stars have at least one top 5 film on various sites that rank their top dvds or scenes usually at least 1 is an IR thus producers and distributors make money from this. I think the starlett will no longer be able to capitalize though. now some won't give a damn what people say but fear of being called racist can make some people do things they might not want to. Like i said many women big on IR often are married to or dating white men. I recall richelle ryan last two guys she had eyes for were both white pro football players and kendra lust is married to a white former cop. At once point both had contracts just for IR work. Why? It seels? Why does it sell? Like sports the more exteme the better. IN football you want bigger and faster players. In baseball you want to see homeruns. IN porn it seems the more xtreme something is considered the hotter it sells.
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Posted - Sep 7 2020 : 4:24PM
^^^The majority of what you wrote about in your comment has been discussed at length in this thread. I know this is a long thread, but skimming it may be helpful. Even if you restrict yourself to just the last 10 - 20 pages of the thread, you'll find responses to most of what you've written.
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Posted - Sep 7 2020 : 4:28PM
Look at data on who dates who and who is intersted in who? And yes I get that, but just from what I have seen. I mean brandi love is a truper and a conservative christian. One star had a twitter battle with her and was sort of trying cancel culture. and said black men should refuse to work with her. She even went as far as saying she was donating to the bail/defense fund of that rittenhouse kid who took at ar15 to WI and shot three people. I gave my opinion on the odds of black men refusing to shoot with her. IF stars refuse companies looking to do ir could find IHMO 8-10 black men on the street. The key is would they be willing to be fillmed and could they perform.
Blacked steroetypes in a bad way. I am saying the equivilent of bugs bunny likes carrots. I mean we have black fans here. I doubt more than 10% of black men would turn down sex with a white woman just from what i have seen. I cant say its a fact but can anyone honestly argue with that and say no way more black men would not do that? Ever notice blacked often uses newer black actors and has an open casting call? Its like fish to water.
Watch the Movie Get Out. IN it white people are stealing black bodies to put white people's mind in. A black man wrote and directed it. What is the plot? Use white tail to bait the black man. Its an observation.
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Posted - Sep 7 2020 : 7:59PM
Sorry forgot a key point. You mentioned I mentioned blacked stereotyping. I also said degrading. Then I just stereotyped. I would bet my glock and guitar on what I said and i think most people here would agree. How many black men have refused to shoot scenes with white women? I doubt there are any. Years of life experiences are the basis for that.
Now a key thing I forget to mention. I AM NOT the one with BLM all over the place. I am not attacking police or hte USA. There are many in porn who are doing that. Vixen even donated to BLM and I was very proud of the blacks who called them out as it seems white men view blacked as the key demographic. Many starletts who took the IR rate have that and do that. So many in porn are at least complicit in it. I am not all all. I am observing. Never really thought much of it until the cancel culture, but I was the guy in class who was more than happy to point out northern racism when it was all blamed on the south.
Think of it. The same people giving lansky awards and cheering for him for making black men stereotypes and about 80-90% of the scenes making white women look cheap ( most dont feel that way but then again most women dont sleep with over 100 men in their lives let alone 10 years). Now there aer all kinds of calls about diversity. THe IR catagory is being dropped when not looking at the root cause of why its so popular. There are the girls taking IR rates bashing a nation that an 18 year old with nothing but God given looks, nice body and a certain morality can easily make six figures. That is just a fact.
Honeslty I don't know how some of the husbands and boyfriends can kiss women after some of those scenes and i don't mean IR but some of the crazy ones. Riley Reid had a boyfriend actually tell her that after they broke up. She was willing to admit it. Just like Veronica Vain ( just of porn not ir) said how she cried after some scenes and I think most women and all ladies probably would at least once in a career I doubt she would have said that while she was active and some never will. My interest in this topic is simply the pass porn seems to get on racism. i mean there is such a lack of black actresses. Why is that? We can look at dating trends. Who are most white men dating? WHo are a good amount of black men dating if they can? Hence white women are popular with both groups. Hence you see way more white women, same for asian or latina. And you notice the black women in porn are more vanessa williams style appearance than say whoppie goldberg.
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Posted - Sep 7 2020 : 10:49PM
^Not saying there aren't racial preferences on the whole but I find the lighting in most porn doesn't do black women any favors to begin with. If they looked anything like the black chicks in urban modeling mags/videos like mixedmag/showmag etc they'd be a lot more popular.
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Posted - Sep 8 2020 : 12:45AM
Many of the scenes on Kink.com depict rape play. If Kink donated to an anti-rape campaign, would you say that they should be called out? Why or why not?Would you agree that most porn directors are awarded for scenes that revolve around stereotypes?
Do white women look more "cheap" in Blacked's scenes than in other porn? If yes, how so?
Do you believe that if a woman is a ten year veteran of porn she has likely performed with at least 100 men? Perhaps you are overestimating the size of the male talent pool.
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Posted - Sep 8 2020 : 12:55AM
Are the stereotypes in porn outside of IR degrading in your view?
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Posted - Sep 8 2020 : 2:13PM
Well I dont see contant complaints on the news of various other ones, but for example there was a series were latina women were caught trying to cross the border illegally and the border agents banged them. Does not seem like that was around as long nor got as much complaints from the industry. I mean i think i saw one star with abolish ICE on her twitter handle.
Not so much bothers as the hypocrite nature of it. Guys appear in the minstrel show yet complain about racism. Girls take the "ir rate" and profit off socialal racism yet put all the social justice warrior stuff up on sites. Seems like being complicit in racism yet trying to take the high road. Honestly i really never thought as much about it until all the riots after floyd and all the white poeple with the black lives matter and marching and stuff like that. Just never been big on hypocrites some are worse than others like saying they will not do xyz for xyz reason. they do it and then get pissed when you remind said star of what they previously said. At the end of the day entertainment is about money.
No other stereotype seems to scream out as much as IR does off hand that i can think of. I mean there are some here and there. I mean there are guys who did asian women but some stuff i have watched does not seem ultra sterotypcial but again i am a more casual porn fan and really started reading up on interviews and stuff as of late.
The only real constant i can see in porn in general is its mostly marketed for me, eventhough many women watch. Now maybe i am giving females too much credit but just in knowing people much of what is "hott" in porn it seems like ladies would not be into or at least admit it. I mean now a days there are women who like facials but it seems much more a male idea and a guy turn on. Stars calling porn empowering ( yeah financially and the fact you can say you can do what you want ) and feminism are also rather interesting. With feminism the irony is some women think they "are in charge" but in reality who is the market? If men just quit watching or hit the gym and got less shy and stuff what would be left? My favorite porn news guy is mike south. He gives hte good, bad and ugly of porn. Not all do that. Its like most production companies say "A women can ask for a condom at anytime" I will say I 100% agree wtih that. but I doubt she gets as much work after that unless she is a wicked girl and starting out girls likely wont see tons of work.
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Posted - Sep 8 2020 : 2:23PM
Could you give me some examples? I am not as much a connoisseur of porn as many people. I mean I am 45. I looked at movies when i was younger when someone borrowed one from a parent. IN college a girl i dated liked the way I went down on her as most did but figured I could do better and we watched some g/g or b/g/g scenes together. Other than that I never really looked at porn until i was in my middle 30s and I am sure I am not the only guy with that situation as a spouse AFTER MARRIAGE has a different sex drive than the guy/girl does.
I know saying this is not popular but the only constant in porn seems to be women are made to look in ways that women just are not in the real world. I mean most women are not that easy. its fantasy and if a guy can pick up a girl that quick in real life it should be a pump and dump and then run. I mean even female stars will often say its fantasy and many are not "Sex crazed sluts like they are portrayed in film" now some are and freely admit it and i respect that. Do what you want as long as no one else is hurt, but honestly the only constant i can see.
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Posted - Sep 8 2020 : 2:49PM
ON Kink. They are popular. I watched one scene. Like i said I am very vanillia but it scared me and i just dont get slapping women and treating them the way they are depicted them. And yes i would call it. Well i would hope the anti-rape campaign and "feminists" would call kink out on it. One thing i realize about porn is that by a big studio or really small one if it turns people on there is someplace producing it. Now some claim watching this can make men go out and rape women. I will disagree with that. I do think porn can give men and women unrealistic ideas about sex but there are stars saying that.
Yes there are sterotypes and please inform me of other examples as none scream out to me, but like I said my taste are very vanilla. Most blacked scenes i have seen are on premium services i subscribe to and i was more interested like most men in the female star. You would have to point out others getting awards, but again there are not cities burning and people dying the way there are over this blm socail justice stuff like there are over "racism" against blacks. Lets say one against asian women. I have not seen riots by asians over issues in their communities.
I want to make clear I am not saying they are bad people or anything over that. I am saying compared to the regular average women and that was the point I was making. Most porstars will tell you the average woman out there is not going to do things they see in porn. Particularly those over 35. Now this new younger generation both sexeas scare the hell out of me for everything from embracing socialism their great grandprents and grand parents fought against to how casual attitudes about sex are to how marriage and children and viewed as bad things. But to the question Well depends on the women and I am only going by IAFD, but it seems quite a few have. If i recall abella danger, riley reid, andriana chechik, angela white have all been with that many or damn close. I recall brandi love, syren de mer, Kendra lust ( Fyi check her twitter she could use votes for a fitness award that she will donate 20k to a sick childs medical treatment). Those three are also married and I think all three are or were swingers which I am still learning about.
This stuff intrests me because i am a pretty vanilla all-american kind of guy growing up. But some stuff i find out i don not get. To each their own, but I will never get how a guy gets off watching other men have sex wtih their wife. Why even get married, especially if one is a chrsitian if you are going to be in either an open relationship or a swinger? Some of these cross to other topics but i must say human sexuality intrigues me. Then again I was a virgin till I was 19 and had girls intersted but I was shy. I actually had a girl break up wtih me because i would not sleep with her. Planned on being a virgin till my wedding night then went a bit crazy ( mild for most) in college then feel in love with a woman and got married after college. Seems I dont hear too many men with similar stories. It is really intriguing to me. My intersted in the IR topic is more like "ok porn. You are at least complicit in some sterotypes including paying white women more to sleep with black men yet are trying to take the high road against racism" Stars who did not shoot IR were often called racist and reality is i am sure many just did not like the way it was presented. Some eventually did it for $ i am sure with nothing really changing.
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Posted - Sep 8 2020 : 3:26PM
If I'm understanding you correctly, you only regard racial stereotypes as degrading. Am I correct? If I am, my next question is this: Why don't you regard the non-racial stereotyping of women in porn as degrading?
@guiltypleasure: Where do I start. You say Blacked is degrading, but I don't see that. Some of their older scenes may be stereotypical, but I wouldn't say degrading. I also think that Blacked has done more good than bad, and have listened to peoples concerns. They have started filming black women and I imagine that we will see more broader and varied storylines from them. It seems to me that you are still judging Blacked for scenes going back to 2014. What do you want, these scenes to be deleted? Performers to give their IR rate back? You should concentrate on the new scenes and see if there are still the same issues.
I must say I have found some of your comments regarding female performers degrading. I would have no problem kissing Riley Reid as monogamy is not important to me and is a social construct from a time when religions tried to control people. Riley's ex obviously didn't feel that way but it doesn't mean all men will. As for them being hypocrites for taking the IR rate: 1. Being offered more money is going to be tempting 2. If they had turned it down another would have taken it 3. People's opinions can change over time. Making it possible that a performer took the IR rate 4 years ago when they didn't know about these issues, but now they do and are enraged about them.
You mentioned in one of your posts (not sure if it was in this thread) fight the new drug. You are aware this is an anti-porn group who want porn gone? Yes, some performers have been failed by the system, but porn should be allowed to fix it's problems, not be abolished.
Wow, wife and I have a lot to reply to but since we're on our way to the mall (she loves to shop), a couple quick thoughts: a) We don't find blacked or raw demeaning. There are some scenes that are top/bottom but also some scenes where the women are on the prowl and take the initiative ("they need BBC").
b) Porn is "the suspension of disbelief," so we've always found it difficult to look at what's going on "outside" in the real world and make judgements about what we see in adult film. Everything is a reflection, I'm sure, but sometimes it's a backwards and more honest reflection. The same "angry white man" that's flying a TRUMP flag on his redneck pick-up truck is probobly also a secret blacked fan.
c) Have long thought that a hottie newcomer girl should make a 100% committment to doing ONLY interracial, promote that as part of her story, her conviction, her "need", etc, and I think a path would be beaten to her door, TONS of us would applaud it and support it. Plus, much hotter than her saying that she's also got to fuck boring white accounting looking guy to keep the bills paid. We'll help pay the bills for an all-black girl. Suspension of disbelief, but it's adult ENTERTAINMENT.
c) The interracial swinger scene is very alive in USA, albeit perhaps on holiday due to Covid. I think it's a source of material, story ideas, telent (amateur blacked). Would be happy to communicate with anyone about it. Sundance and party4candi
