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| Haze Deactivated User 769 Posts 7/04 |  Posted - Dec 5 2008 : 2:40PM[Mod edit: obscured the names of sites which provide illegally uploaded videos. Also, there's no need to quote the post directly above your own. Just use the "up arrow" like I've done for you here.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 12/5/2008 3:28:27 PM   [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 5 2008 : 3:12PM [Mod edit: obscured the names of sites which provide illegally uploaded videos.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 12/5/2008 3:30:22 PM whoa bro, I'm pretty sure it's not cool to write "illegally viewed" next to my name. Isn't ***Hunter a legal referral site? Unless you're answer is 100% legal certainty, please refrain from writing on public forums that I'm doing something "illegal". I'll let you change your wording. Edited by - Gabriella Cuntez on 12/6/2008 12:10:09 AM [Mod edit: I once again obscured the name of the site. See my post below. See also in the same post below my explanation of how I can be 100% certain that it's illegal. But in fairness to you, I didn't need to write "illegally viewed". I apologize.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 12/6/2008 12:55:44 AM [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 5 2008 : 3:18PM [Link] |
killbillvol69  All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 5 2008 : 3:26PM [Link] |
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| kellydivine Senior Member KELLYDIVINE RELOADED 1421 Posts 10/08 | Posted - Dec 5 2008 : 3:56PM It would end up being all amateur shit freaks (good freaks) at home would shoot themselves and upload just to be naughty. While some people really enjoy that kind of shit many still would like to see better quality stuff with the stars they love to watch. xoxo Kelly Divine [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 5 2008 : 8:54PM [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - Dec 5 2008 : 9:49PM [Link] |
| licker Senior Member Heretic, Iconoclast, Skeptic 1141 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Dec 5 2008 : 10:04PM A professional trailer made by the studio can work, but random TGP clips just don't give a good feel for the scene. [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 12:16AM [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 12:27AM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 12:51AM 1. "Isn't ClipHunter a legal referral site?" No, it isn't. You will NEVER find a legal site which offers entire scenes for free. 2. "But, are you sure these are all thief sites?" Yes. See above. 3. "How do you know the diff between sites that steal clips versus sites that get their clips from companies as a referral site?" See Mike Quasar's answer below your post. Almost completely without exception, you will not find a clip more than 90 seconds long on a legal site. 4. "what about the url's in the initial post?" I wasn't a mod when the initial post was made. But I suppose, to answer your question, the fact that they were mentioned once is more than enough, and they needn't be mentioned again. 5. "and if the releases aren't recent?" If they're not recent it is in fact less likely, and not more likely, that you will find legally-displayed free clips from them. The reason is because the various porn companies are trying to promote their recent product, and that's why they offer sample clips to the affiliates. The older the release, the less the company will try to promote it, and the more rare for them to give out sample clips. And they will still never give out entire scenes (or the majority of the length of a scene). 6. "what is the deal with the assumption that referral sites are illegal?" Please see the above answers, as well as the paragraphs below. 7. "If slutblank (aka blankload) is an illegal site, then why is it the *only* website that comes up when I do searches for pornclips on googlevideo?" This is actually a common complaint amongst people who want to find legitimate sites, be it for porn, or mainstream movies and television, or music. The answer is that there are many, many people visiting these sites, and that's why they come up first. 8. "They must have a deal with Google, which legitimizes them, right?" I have no idea. There are many, many ADT users who work in the promotion side of the biz who would be happy to tell you more about the process, I'm sure. There's at least one person here from almost every single US studio (except for tiny, amateur, one-man operations - though even some of them are represented here). Foreign studios are well-represented as well. Have a look around the forums, especially the "Porn News - Press Releases" forum, and you'll figure out fairly quickly who these people are. Feel free to ask them any questions about these sorts of things - if they don't answer you, it's likely not because you offended them, but simply because they're busy and haven't gotten to your question yet. I can assure you, though, that they'll tell you that ALL of the ***tube or tube*** or ***hunter, etc, sites are illegally sharing quite a bit of copyrighted material. Is everything these sites share illegal? No. That's how they get away with existing. They can point to a particular clip and say "see, this isn't illegally-shared, copyrighted material. This site is for free-use clips." But the truth is that the vast majority of clips on the site are illegally shared. Now, you may see the names of some of these sites elsewhere in ADT. But I want to keep them out of this thread in particular, because of its content. It seems that it would be a little bit like lighting a cigarette near a gas station (though that's perhaps a little dramatic for a comparison). Mentioning a ***tube site in other threads might not be so bad, but here, it just doesn't feel appropriate. Finally, take this away from my post, if nothing else: if it's a free clip of a full scene, it's illegal. [edit: answered some more recently-posted questions.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 12/6/2008 12:55:24 AM [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 3:01AM I assumed slutblank was a legal site because the blatantly illegal ones (megablank and [you say] all the ones listed above) don't come up in google video searches. Also as a porn fan, I noticed that the videos all seem to be made by the same internet-based porn companies (as opposed to Private/Evil/etc). I assumed that slutblank was owned by a conglomeration of Brazzers, Bang Bros and their ilk. It makes sense to me that they would throw catalog videos out for free just like they throw catalog videos into porn mags. Using your non-revenue-generating product to advertise for your revenue-generating product. Another thing I noticed looking at the sites discussed above. 2 of them show nothing but the product of 1 company, with a company banner at the front and back of each clip. This leads me to further believe that not all clip sites are illegal. Because what would Blankzers, a US company, gain from hosting stolen clips from other companies? (Also, these clips weren't 90 second trailers, but 3-5 minute clips from scenes). So here are my questions: *Why does slutblank come up in Google video search results, but other allegedly illegal sites (like Megablank) do not? *Does slutblank have a deal with Google to display hardcore porn results from their site, similar to Youtube's or Dailymotion's deal to display softcore and nonsexual results? New information: even when you do a googlevideo search for "blankhunter" or "megablank", you don't get a single result from those sites. But when you googlevideo "slutblank", you get a bunch of hardcore videos hosted on slutblank. Edited by - Gabriella Cuntez on 12/6/2008 3:03:41 AM [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 3:33AM I am NOT one to enter an online community and defy moderators...but I think that merely stating that clipsites are illegal doesn't make them so. Now, there may be illegal content on them that hasn't yet been taken down. But the same thing happens on YouTube and no one's clamoring to delete YouTube's name from this industry-friendly website. Even mainstream TV and film are putting lots of new and catalog product online, Hulu being the primary example. So it's not beyond the pale that some porn company out there is putting some of their scenes out there for free. There's no better commercial for your product than free samples. Trailers are hard to make. Scenes are already in the can, sitting on a server doing nothing but collecting e-dust. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 4:24AM Here's how it works. People are allowed to upload "their own submissions", under the pretense that they're uploading vids they made themselves. And some of them are user-created vids. But most of them are vids you'll recognize from some porn you've seen at some point, and you know they're not "user-created". Those ones can't possibly have the permission of the porn company that made them to be on the site, because they were uploaded by some random user (and often under some false name, or some name that doesn't tell you exactly which porn flick it's from). Further, it has been discussed in many places on this forum, and I believe in this very thread, that some online porn companies are actually posting banners on these sites, in the hopes that maybe some people will abandon the tube sites and join their pay site instead - opponents of this idea claim that all they're doing is providing financial backing for these sites. That's not an argument I really want to get into, but I can see that both sides may have a valid point. Anyway, the point is this: yes, the sites themselves are "legal", in that they are legitimate sites with permission to exist, etc. But most of the things you see on them are "illegal", in that the site does not have permission from the original owner to display them. Again, feel free to ask around and see if any of the porn companies, whose scenes you recognize, actually gave permission for their scene to be shown on that particular site. You'll see that the answer is - with perhaps the extremely odd exception - always "no". [Link] |
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| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 8:40PM and there aren't 6 million sites like Hulu, unlike porn tube sites which seem to be multiplying by the hour. When you request that your content be removed from the site, if they even bother to remove it at all, it will be back up within days. Regarding catalog content, in many cases, a company will sell off a large part of their back catalog to a content broker because they need money or are going out of business.. The broker will then sell and resell it indefinitely. This accounts for some of the full scenes available on tube sites and in cases like this, those scenes are probably there legally but that's a small percentage of what's being offered. Most of it is brand new stuff from top producers ripped for their DVD's without their permission. Of course you'd get far better quality buying the DVD or viewing the clips on the producer's own pay site but for some people porn is like pizza: even bad porn is pretty good. [Link] |
| JennaRulez2006 Member The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05 | Posted - Dec 6 2008 : 8:48PM I like Jada Fire, but only buy the ones she either does Interracial scenes or girl/girl scenes. The Ebony stars I like I do the same as Jada. With so much crap out there, alot of times we consumers are misled by a fancy dvd cover, yet the quality of the movie sucks and both performance and picture/camera quality blows. So I stick with buying the movies of girls I like. The porn on those Peer to peer sites I do not even bother with. One, they take long to d/l and then you find out it is not the entire movie. Or that the quality sucks big time. I tried it maybe a handful of times over the years and said why bother. Also buying the dvd, I can get the girl(s) in it to sign the cover when I meet them in Vegas. [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 7 2008 : 1:49AM [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 7 2008 : 2:01AM A separate question: How is it that Evil Angel seems to be so very good at stopping piracy of their material? I never see any of their photos or trailers anywhere except their sites. Do they, like mainstream content providers, have a staff dedicated to shutting down any online piracy of their material? [Link] |
| Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Dec 7 2008 : 8:34PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Dec 7 2008 : 9:00PM [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 8 2008 : 12:21AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Dec 9 2008 : 10:58PM [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Dec 10 2008 : 10:07AM [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 1:14AM [Link] |
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| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 1:17AM [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 1:44AM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 2:26AM [Link] |
| Caspermia Member 17 Posts 11/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 8:12AM [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 2:47PM What all companies need to do is whatever Evil Angel is doing to keep a tight grip on their content. It is not easy to find pirated, free downloads of their movies (unless you're an experienced pirate). Follow the industry leader's example (which I'm sure is mostly elbow grease and busy paralegals sending out mountains of C&D's) [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 3:11PM Brother bill, I am with you in being against piracy. But I am against labelling legal pornsites like these tube ones as "illegal" just because some members upload full scenes that aren't theirs to upload. No one's labelling YouTube, MySpace or YahooVideo as "illegal" because of the full-length bootlegs that are found all over those sites. Everyone knows that the number one source of illegal online downloads are TORRENT sites and TORRENT programs, where *every single file offered* is an illegal one. You don't have to be a pirate to find this out, you just Google your favorite movie and all these torrent sites are there in the results. The idea of a YouTube for adults only is a great idea, and I don't want the industry to be against this essential concept because it can be abused. Anything can be abused. The way to lessen the abuse is to control the concept and use it to your corporate advantage. If there are too many thisorthattubes out there, do what the mainstream industry did: create a Hulu for porn. (Which kinda already exists in the form of Videobox.) Porn is huge. Porn's money power can't be denied. Porn corporations *can get* mainstream ad revenue online like Hulu does, even if much of that revenue is initially acquired from non-US companies based in countries that are more liberal. Even if much of that revenue is initially acquired from other quadrants of the sex industries. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 3:52PM Maybe other ADT members will use them, but it would be much less of a "spit in the face" of industry members if they didn't share their use of such sites, including where to find particular illegally-shared scenes, here on the board. Further, I think that it's not quite correct to say that most of the full scenes on the tube sites are taken down almost immediately. This may be true of scenes that are labeled correctly, by the name of the flick, but as we've all probably seen, most of the scenes on tube sites are not labeled with all relevant information. It is far more common to see a scene called "Redhead takes it up the ass", which is actually a complete scene from a purchased DVD that is being illegally shared, than to see a scene called "Jenna Haze, Sporty Girls, scene x, 2008 Elegant Angel". It is only ones that are labeled as such, or in a similar fashion, that the companies are able to track down and ask that they be removed. All the ones that are labeled with generic titles, or even ones that have the star's name and nothing else, are invariably not located soon or even at all by the copyright owners, and remain on the sites in perpetuity. Illegally. So it is still a problem. Again, are all the things uploaded to the tube sites illegal? No. There are home videos, there are clips, there are preview clips uploaded by sites like Brazzers, etc. But there are many, many full scenes that are labeled in a generic fashion so as not to be found by the copyright owners. I would estimate in fact that, depending on which tube site we're talking about, this latter category makes up anywhere from 30-70% of the material found. That's just far too high a percentage to ignore. [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 4:45PM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 4:58PM [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 5:37PM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 5:40PM That's the beauty of ADT. You don't need a go-between for talking to industry insiders, stars, etc. You can do it yourself. [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 7:59PM [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Dec 11 2008 : 9:58PM [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - Dec 12 2008 : 11:37AM [Link] |
| Gabriella Cuntez Member Get Some Head In The Game 55 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Dec 12 2008 : 1:20PM [Link] |
| Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Dec 12 2008 : 2:02PM [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - Dec 12 2008 : 3:33PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Dec 12 2008 : 3:37PM [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Dec 12 2008 : 4:28PM The logical way it should be is if someone owns a tube site they should be responsible for keeping off illegal material. Claiming otherwise is an excuse to make money off of stolen material. If it is too big to police then they should lower the size of the site or hire more people to police it. If I allow someone to sell stolen DVDs in my house I am responsible for the fact they are doing it, why does it change for tube sites? [Link] |
| Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Dec 12 2008 : 5:53PM Regarding copyright, I can only assume that ADT follows the same policy tube sites also follow. For example, there is a lot of pictures being posted in threads here, and virtually all of them are copyrighted. Now, technically the copyright holders can request the removal of certain images if they see them here, and I am sure, Drew and Steph will comply. Beyond that, how can they tell whether something is actually a violation... unless someone complains about it.And they are. They just can't be expected to magically determine which material is a copyright violation (i.e. illegal) and which is not.Only if you know those DVDs are stolen. [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Feb 10 2009 : 3:26PM Edited by - killbillvol69 on 2/12/2009 12:00:15 PM [Link] |
| Franko Member 264 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Feb 10 2009 : 4:10PM [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Feb 10 2009 : 4:19PM [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Feb 10 2009 : 4:46PM The random ownage, the resurrection of the thread that will never die (though it had been playing dead for almost two full months)... is it because of criticism I pointed your way in another thread (which I then apologized for)? Not that I need to say more, but if you care to investigate, you'll notice that my last post there was the day after I became a mod here. The timing is not a coincidence. In fact, from when I joined ADT, my posts there went down significantly in regularity as I learned more about good films that I could buy myself, and eventually, as I became a mod here, I decided it was no longer appropriate to do any illegal downloading. (I suppose the cynic could say "you could've downloaded without posting", and for that I can't have any response by definition - it would be impossible to prove one way or the other.) Regardless (and I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with NewRomancer here), what I do elsewhere has nothing to do with what I do here, something you've failed to understand when trying to burn others here before, with little or no effect. (In case anyone doesn't believe me about the other killbillvol69's, here's one.) [Link] |
| NewRomancer Deactivated User under THEIR avatar 738 Posts 7/08 | Posted - Feb 10 2009 : 5:27PM Well done, my young padawan... All eventually join me on the dark side.... Or at the very least, at the bar! ;-) [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Feb 10 2009 : 7:30PM [Link] |
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