Sorry if I was unclear, as I wasn't referring to any sites in particular. I was just making the points that many PPV sites charge very high rates of scenes and that I wouldn't mind paying those rates if it meant getting more content like G/G ITC.
Where has this strange rumor come from? I have Brazzers (I signed up for Mile High which has Sweetheart Videos, and last year they were offering a one-time payment for lifetime membership deal that included Brazzers so I got that as well). They certain still have all those g/g scenes. I was going to make fun of Jenna Sativa as well, but when I search for her on Brazzers, she actually has scenes with very credible performers like Molly Stewart and Vanessa Veracruz (well Vanessa is quite beyond merely credible). They are certainly all still there.
Yeah I would pay a premium for 4 ITC-style GG scenes a month. Can't believe there's apparently no audience for it. I guess if it's not about moms having sex with their daughters or obnoxious fake orgasms not many people want it.
^ What's the problem with InTheCrack? I am a big Stacy Cruz fan. She looked great, as usual, in her itc g/g scene. Loved all the closeup shots. Still, in the end, came away thinking that's a pretty dull way to present porn. Felt the same way about Chloe Amour scenes, another favorite of mine. They would benefit from adding a little fire to their much appreciated visuals.
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^There is no problem with InTheCrack. The real problem is no one else being as good as InTheCrack lol. I wish they had GG scenes regularly and more often.
Nope, not RK either. I got the same deal (one time pay for lifetime membership) for RK just for the all the existing scenes from WLT. They certainly are still all there. I would be seriously tilted if for some reason they take away all my Malena and Dani and Vanessa and Ryan. The scene between Jillian Janson and Karla Kush I talked about is also from RK/WLT.
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It's like I was saying; the main porn audience is here for obnoxiously fake orgasms and mom incest.
InTheCrack is niche.
UltraWow is the closest thing we have to ITC. I like UltraWow but there's a pretentiousness that I am not always in the mood for. ITC is delightfully raunchy, honest, and to-the-point in a satisfying way.
I think there is a dearth of gonzo GG in general. Draping the sex in nonsense and bad acting is often a real buzz kill, personally.
You are right I can't find it either. Possibly because it's too old? This was released in 2005. It seems starting around 2009 or so things are more complete, but I don't know why they don't have it.
^Right, that's why I brought it up because I remember someone bringing it up on the forums awhile ago they could not find certain scenes on the site. So this may be going on with Brazzers too if you dig deep enough.
This!^2. I can't tell you how many times I have sat through lots of dialogue and build up only to have the action and visuals be a complete waste of time. It's gotten to the point where I skip and back up just to make sure it's worthwhile. A lot of us came up during the period when G/G had more Gonzo-style characteristics in general, and so the lack of visuals is a bit of a sore spot.
I know others are very appreciative of the story and more full-body shots, and I'm not here to advocate a return to those times (don't miss the endless toys and strapons), but it would be nice to see more content that just focused on the action and visuals the way that Kiss Me Girl Explicit, Belezza Video, and other series used to do (agree with AClayFan that fire + great visuals are an amazing, but very rare, combo).
Even defunct studios like Filly Films struck a good balance and it's unfortunate that so many places just recycle their content ad nauseam. That being said, it is nice to at least see some places like Ultrafilms/Wowgirls produce solid stuff.
It would also be nice to have a place that was a bit more of a proving ground for newcomers (think ATK/FTV-style GG site), as it sucks to see a new girls phone in a scene for GGF, Girlsway, etc... (I feel like it's like having newbies step up to the plate in the majors when they should be cutting their teeth in the trenches of the minor leagues first).
Biggest selling point of this scene is it was Jo & Sybil A. Sandra Shine is, at best, a competent director. I'm being kind here. Yes, I enjoyed VivThomas productions in their heyday too. However, that's when the budgets were bigger & Viv Thomas was involved.
Just curious: is there already a thread for allherluv? I searched but nothing came up. I don't want to post a review in this thread if there's already one specifically for that site.
^ Yeah given its current state, it's become the right thread for using to post about that site so I'm moved it from the Porn News forum over to this forum.
For sure and I think this SHV series delivers consistently good scenes. SHV's recent release, Sorority Girls, is excellent, especially the Katie Kush/Jazlyn Ray scene.
Originally I intended to bravely step into the "taboo" genre and review the latest g/g scene between Silvia Saige and Coco Lovelock from Pure Taboo because I love Silvia Saige. I had to stop after 5 minutes because Coco looks like she's freaking 12, especially when placed next to Silvia.
Yeesh. So yeah, no more of that "pure" stuff. Just give me some of that stepped-on, diluted stuff and we'll call it a day.
So here's a scene I mentioned before, titled "Lust Triangles" starring Alex Coal, Anny Aurora and Spencer Bradley. It's under the "Modern-Day Sins" channel of Adult Times, released on 04/24/2022, directed by Ricky Greenwood (this guy is just everywhere).
The plot is this: Anny and Alex used to go out, but they broke up, and Alex now lives with her new girlfriend Spencer. The awkward thing is that their house is still partially owned by Anny, who refuses to sign over the house and make a clean break until she gets what she wants (and we can all guess what she wants). I will not review the sex itself, which is fairly tame and unremarkable -- Alex is great as always, Spencer is solid, Anny is controversial (it appears she really like to avoid giving oral sex, or even use her fingers to penetrate a vagina). I will just focus on the reluctance/"taboo" set up of it. Of course it's a fantasy, which is the only reason that it's ok. But I have to accept that there is something really hot about this. All three women did a great job playing their roles, especially the evil ex-girlfriend Anny.
The way the two different "seductions" are carried out are also quite distinct, which is very appropriate: the first one between Anny and Spencer is more a business-like transaction. The second one between Anny and Alex is more emotional, with Alex showing anger and frustration.
- Alex and Spencer wondering what to do to get rid of Alex's ex from hell - Here comes Anny -- the definition of "saunter" - She follows Spencer into the bathroom: "I saw you walking in here so followed you to talk to you" - Spencer: "What do you want?" Anny: "I don't know... Do you think you can help me?"
- Spencer negotiating: "If I give you what I think you want, there are conditions you have to follow." - After she fucks Spencer, Anny goes to talk to Alex: "You look really pretty today." Alex: *big sigh* "Am i supposed to say thank you?" - Anny: "I'm thinking about you... and me." - Alex: "That's what you want? With her out there?" Anny: "Oh no she doesn't have to know."
- Alex: "You are unbelievable... this is not fair." - Alex: *sigh*... Anny... - Perfect pout - Evil lip bite
- Anny: "One last hurrah, and you'll never see me again." Alex: "You are an evil bitch." *lunge + kiss* - Anny dropping off the key, with Alex starring daggers - Both Alex and Spencer have something to hide, and neither is too happy - Anny is certainly happy.
Are any of you familiar with Masha Yang? She's a cam-girl who does lesbian shows with her friends. I watched a few and found them fun and entertaining. As far as I can tell, she does girls only.
I also watched some non-cam couple videos that I really liked. No fake moaning, no showboating for the camera. It was as close to genuine sex between two people as I've ever seen. You can tell she really likes girls. The videos are filmed by an unobtrusive cameraperson with plenty of close-ups. I've decided to subscribe to her fansly. I'll let you know if I have any regrets. I would also like to know if there are any other non-pro girls-only performers that are worth checking out.
Just out of curiosity: what is the general take on Gianna Dior and Emily Willis as g/g performers? For some reason my impressions are pretty hazy on them: kissing? sex (oral, fingering)? acting?
^ Gianna Dior is an excellent performer, be it b/g or g/g. She is passionate & uninhibited regardless of content. The thing is, she's arguably the biggest star in porn & mostly associated with b/g scenes. So, expect some criticism from those who like their g/g performers a bit more pure. It's very similar to how Tori Black was sometimes viewed by the g/g peanut gallery.
^Thanks for the input! Purity test What of Emily Willis?
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Emily Willis brings "energy." The scene will be over the top, but likely neither girl is going to come, despite the hilarious "orgasming". I will say though that I loved her scene with Elena Koshka for GFF and her scene with the great Georgia Jones for Cherrypimps. Most of the time though, her GG scenes will be like SLAYED scenes lol
Gianna Dior, to me, comes off as disinterested in GG scenes. Obviously virtually every girl in porn is straight, virtually, but I do not find Gianna convincing as a woman who likes women. I could be totally wrong though as I don't read minds of course
They ain't no Georgia Joneses or Karla Kushes, suffice it to say.
Love Jazlyn! She did great with Vicki Chase in Slayed, she did great with Katie Kush in Sorority Girls (also directed by Mike). Look forward to her sure to be great scene with Serene!
Don't know if you guys read the Adult Time blog. Every month they put out a "Top 10" lists include non-lesbian (straight, trans, bi) and lesbian top 10 scenes. So far this year we have Jan, Feb, and March. According to them, these are calculated (using some internal, undisclosed algorithm) based on the following metrics (below is a direct copy and paste from their website):
Average playtime - The higher the number, the more time was spent watching the scene
Positive rating % - How many people gave the scene a like vs. how many gave it a dislike
Comments - Number of comments the scene has
Views - Number of unique views
Downloads - Number of unique downloads
Out of curiosity, I want to do a comparison between non-lesbian and lesbian scenes. I have calculated the monthly averages and listed them below (I omitted downloads because: 1. there's very little difference; 2. I doubt its significance in the streaming age).
Some general remarks about the data: - There's generally 1 or 2 trans video in each of the non-lesbian list; considering these are all transgender female scenes, it's debatable if they should go in non-lesbian or lesbian list - I don't see any bi videos in non-lesbian list. - It looks like they are picking these from "internal" products (e.g. pure taboo); for the most part I don't see any video from external partner channels (e.g. evil angel) - However, there's one big exception: in Feb. 2022 the top ranked lesbian scene is from GFF (Seren Siren and Abigail Mac, Lesbian Seduction 68)
Some interesting trends about lesbian scene fans: - Non-lesbian scenes generally have more views than lesbian ones, by about one to two thousands (or around 15-30%): it's surprisingly close - But lesbian scenes have more comments: which kinda confirms the vocal/prickly minority stereotype - Playtime is higher for lesbian scenes: again it kinda confirms the more "watch for the plot" stereotype - Rating is more positive for non-lesbian scenes in Jan and Mar, but more positive for lesbian scenes in Feb: so not necessarily more critical
The very fact that they even track these things separately I think still shows the Girlsway roots of Adult Times. Make of that what you will.
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^ If you look at the bottom of Adult Time's webpage and the bottom of GFF you'll see the following:
Not so surprising after all, then, is it? AT, GFF, A2G, ZT, GenderX, Evil Angel, Taboo Heat, among others are all just the same, it's Gamma through and through.
It's been a long time point of contention between myself and others versus ATs management as to how they weight those categories, their priorities being different than that of the consumer. I believe Downloads should be ranked higher, much higher, than what they do, and I think inversely that average playtime should be ranked lower. (I understand why they do it the way they do it but that goes back to their goals being different than the goals of the viewer)
As to playtime being higher for lesbian scenes, I don't think it indicates their appreciating plot more or less, as some have more or less plot, I think it's more along the lines that G/G fans enjoy more of their content and watch it longer on average than B/G fans. Generally speaking I find the B/G fans to take pretty much anything and be happy with it, busting a nut within a minute or two and moving on, not caring about anything but there being nudity (and often seemingly bent on needing a cock present to enjoy the scene). That's not to say that often isn't the case with G/G fans, in terms of accepting just any old schlock as quality content - I see the comments day in and day out and I can only shake my head at the gullible nature of them, fawning over the fakery. But I digress. Generally speaking I think these things are indicative of G/G fans being more discerning in their content enjoyment and enjoying it on more levels, than the two minute pump and dump B/G viewers.
There's an active movement at Adult Time to silence criticism of the content in the comment section, they've taken to emailing users about it, threatening to mute them or cancel their memberships, happened to me, happened to someone called renegade, others too - I wouldn't take much of the adulation seen in the comment sections to heart, it's curated and/or seeded BS.
Overall I'm far more interested in hearing pertinent criticisms than sugar-coated meaningless adulation. Nothing comes out of the latter, you'll only get a downward spiral with a diminishing quality of content.
Apropos of nothing, went down a rabbit hole of Satine Phoenix scenes today - do people rate her as a gg star? This is me going back quite a few years again, but hoo the girl is an absolute banshee lesbian, hot kisser and talker who because of her ever-so-real-seeming lust melts me in a second flat. Just wondering.
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When you're a member somewhere just what is it that makes the decision for you to watch a given scene? I've found more and more I just pass tons of scenes on by, it's a rare one that I know I'm going to enjoy, or more than likely so, something to that effect an it got me to thinking just what it is about the ones I do decide to take the time to download and watch in full after released for members.
I hopped over to Adult Time and decided to take a look at their front page of uploads. Keep in mind I have my filters set to hide a fair amount of content, my front page likely looks a lot different than yours. I wanted to look back and discern what that thing is that gets me to watch.
- Bitter Babysitter; Mommy's Girl w/Jupiter Jetson and Emma Starletto: I think I watched this one more to asses how well the feedback has been relayed, knowing to keep an eye on Emma for antics. Surprisingly not bad, though not bad isn't to say good. I know for a few here this would be an auto-pass due to subject matter.
- Serene & Ember; We Like Girls w/Serene Siren and Ember Snow: Watched this to see how realistic the series was going to be or if it was going to be more of the same, more of the antics they delivered in the first scene back. My favorite part was Serene speaking so lovingly, pre-sex, about Ember. The sex is just as I expected it to be, not much different than any other G/G scene they might have had any where else, just a bit longer.
- Hold The Phone Chatty Cathy; w/Gizelle Blanco and Jayden Cole: had the tag "foot fetish" and both women have great looking feet, the trailer seemed to indicate it wouldn't be filled with over the top antics. I thought it was a good scene, better than average and for AT quite good. I also wanted to asses Jayden Cole as a performer.
- The Queen, Mixed X; w/Alysso Bounty and Kiara Lord: Foot fetish focused G/G, it's a must watch despite the casting of LP talent here. MixedX is by far my favorite thing outside of WG/UF and fully so on AT. This is one I watched that I knew I would enjoy due to the foot fetish content and MixedX producing content that isn't over the top PPP. I can look forward to MixedX G/G scenes on AdultTime, that's a good feeling.
- Luring The Nurse, Girlsway; w/Liz Jordan and Spencer Bradly: the trailer indicated that this would be slow, sensual and proceed at a great simmering pace, with natural feeling sex. It was pretty good, I gave it a thumbs up. I also find both women attractive which always helps.
- Under Her Wing, Tranfixed; w/Brooklyn Gray and Ariel Demure: Figured I'd include this while I was here, I watch every episode of Transfixed (expect for the Dante abberation, promised to never happen again). It was good, Brooklyn singing was amazing - barefoot views were absent in nearly in full, cropping them out at every opportune. Transfixed, along with MixedX, are the two things I know I can look forward too on Adult Time (minus the occasional Dante or Jean issue).
Lust Triangles, Modern Day Sins; wAnny Auroa, Spencer Bradley and my the best western G/G performer in the game (imo) Alex Coal - I watch every G/G Alex Coal scene I have access to, she is one of my top favorites. I knew I could look forward to a scene with her in it. Spencer is good too, though I do think she trends on the OTT PPP vs Alex's emoting. Alex Coal in a scene is something I know I can look forward to - from action, to looks, to emoting, she's the total package.
Intimate Worship, All Girl Massage; w/Marica Hase and Alexis Tae - watched for the new format, and for the foot fetish tag. Foot fetish tag and the amazing, delectable, perfection of Alexis Tae's feet is a must watch. That said the scene is typical over the top rote fakery, but goddamn is the foot worship, and Alexis's feet, sexy.
Always There For You, My Younger Lover; w/Shay Sights and Sera Ryder - watched due to the foot fetish tag, due to the trailer indicating the sex would be sensual and not over the top and watched to see how Sera is coming along as a G/G performer and if she got that every few second "Ha" or "Heh" she used to do. Quite an enjoyable scene, very nicely paced. The foot worship section by Shay on Sera is a section I've watched a half-dozen times or more now.
Lilith, MixedX; w/Amirah Adarah and Alyssa Bounty - as I said earlier, MixedX is one of two things I look forward to at AT; sensual G/G foot fetish sex (they do dip into the damnable tribbing sometimes); and any scene with Amirah Adarah is one to look forward to. A great G/G performer.
Looking at just a small section (only did about half my front page of AT) it seems that if it's male-free and has:
- sensual sex, non-over the top sex, no or limited pornstar performative pleasure routines - foot fetish/foot worship - male-free transwomen content - as trite as it is, women I'm personally very attracted to. This often will lead to disappointment though, looking like a million bucks but performing otherwise. - if it has Alex Coal in it - if it's a MixedX or Transfixed scene, it'll be a watch.
it winds up being a watch. I also note that looking through the scenes, and I didn't even list them all here, there is a lot of watches to see how things are going, to see how the progress is going on listening to feedback, to check on performers development, and sometimes even to hope some will turn over a new leaf or show they can be serious or sensual for once. Part of the progress checks is not just talent but the production crews (some are known for being very shaky with their handheld, others more steady but with a small spot on their cam, others are known for always having OTT performances from the girls, etc) and their progression, and other things like overall brand feel and direction. Those are usually dips, with the prior list being full watches/sessions.
So why do you watch something? Why do you skip something?
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I pretty much skip anything that's going to be stupid. If it's got screaming and fake moaning, lots of scissoring, incest, characters that don't know about sex, performers who do GG even though they visibly don't like it, scenes that have more talking about sex than actually doing it, sex on furniture that is hard to have sex on, peeing and splashing it around with their hands like our primate cousins, Brazzers-face, ahegao-face, characters intended to look like children, scripted sex that makes performers pretend to be inexperienced, et cetera, I'm going to turn it off. "Tongue-fucking" doesn't quite make me turn the scene off, but it is also goofy and performative. Suffice it to say that I like one out of every 25 American GG scenes. The genre is in the toilet right now.