^ Dang the way you sounded it feels more like you like .5 out of every American GG scene rather than 1 out of every American GG scene. Feels like you would either skim or only watch half of a GG scene per 25 lol. Seriously though for me I feel what you are saying bc back then there was alot of things I totally wasnt into. I had to adjust the way I viewed things though bc I knew the things I wasnt into wasnt going away it was only going to increase. From the scenes I didnt like, the type of performers I wasnt into, and the stuff that was done in scenes that I didnt like. I think me being more into social with these performers and even directors help me understand and change my thinking. Back then when there wasnt social media or even years ago when I really wasnt on social media like I am now I could only see the performers on screen in front of a camera having sex. But following alot of the performers that I do on social media has helped me more so have an understanding and more of an appreciation of the types of performers I wasnt into before and the types of scenes and stuff I wasnt into before.
For example, I was never a foot guy. Still not really a foot guy. But I do know just how much alot of these performers are into feet. Angela White and Elexis Monroe for example. It drives them crazy when it comes to foot play. So while I wont be running to watch a scene purely based on foot play, I will watch a scene that have some foot play within the flow of the sex bc I know it turns them on so much that Im sure their pussy is quivering and aching to to have a mind blowing orgasm. But before following on social media I never knew just how much they truly love foot play. Yes they can mention it in a scene but how many times have we heard a performer say what they love in a scene and we know they are just saying it bc its in the scene? And Im not saying all performers lie but I do believe some just say it to sell the fantasy. But on social media just through how much they talk about it and randomly comment on others who talk about it and also shooting a ton of it every chance they get for their OF I tend to strongly gather they love foot play. So when I see foot play in a scene my mindset doesnt get turned off by it. My mindset get turned on especially when one is grinding on another while she has the other girl toes in her mouth. Thats hot to me. I saw it in an OF scene with Lena Paul and Susie Stellar. It was hot. Plus Lena in that same scene wanted to put Susie toes in her mouth but Susie said her feet was dirty and she wanted to clean then first. So Lena got something to clean them with so while she was doing so it turned Susie on so much she said it was making her pussy wet while she was doing that lol. So it just things like that bc I know just how much of a freak in a great way Lena is and she is so genuine too. No act.
Another example would be I was never into all the nasty and dirty acts especially when it came to spitting and stuff. That gagged me more than it did turn me on. But again following the performers closely like I do in regards to women like Adriana Chechik and Lacy Lennon I do have an appreciation for it bc again I know they genuine love it and it gets them off. I guess the common theme is genuinely gets them turned on and getting them off. Thats what I look for in scenes. I saw a GG scene with Lacy and Serene for GFF. It was a massage scene and I saw Lacy was putting the lube in her mouth and spitting it on Serene body and pussy. Without context that wouldve instantly turned me off. But with context knowing thats genuinely how Lacy is and what makes her so great, seeing her doing that was hot to me. And Ive seen her plenty of times just like Adriana just use so much spit and drool and bodily fluids in general and that is what they genuinely love. Ill go back to Elexis too. When she go down and eat another girl pussy, sometimes she literally uses so much spit it be dripping down her chin once she finishes and gets up. Like I think thats so hot. And the main reason is bc I know Elexis really loves pussy so when she goes in she goes all the way in. And thats why she is one of my all-time favs.
You're not too far off, Lezfan lol. .5 is probably not that far from accurate. I just don't like performative stuff and sillyness.
All the things I mentioned pretty much detract from the sex by taking the performers' minds off actually having sex and focusing their attention on doing dumb stuff that doesn't get women off.
I intentionally did not mention foot stuff but I fast foward through that 9.7 times out of ten too lol.
Obviously no fake moans. I want to believe the women are making love and coming for real. I want to see passionate kissing and hand-holding with fingers interlocked.
It needs to be filmed by a videographer who knows what they're doing. Videos shot with fixed, tripod-mounted cameras are usually boring.
The most important parts of the scene are not blocked by hair or anything else.
I prefer to hear the woman that is giving head than the one receiving it. There is nothing sexier than hearing the soft moans and heavy breathing coming from a woman going down on her lover.
The woman giving head needs to keep her face down there. There is nothing more annoying than a woman who licks pussy for only a few seconds, lifts her head up and does this repeatedly. If you keep lifting your head up, it makes me think you're not really into it.
Always believed the 2 major reasons people watch a scene is attraction to a particular genre & attraction to the performers. Trite...debatable. Think you are far from alone with this reason to view. As for being disappointed, hey maybe next time Miss Cute Newbie will surprise us.
No. And based on what I've read, it seems to be a so-so docu-drama, and may not be worth it unless one is really interested in knowing more about the porn industry.
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Not sure if this has been discussed yet but I can't believe Craven still getting work in the industry. And they wonder why women are leaving the industry and going to OnlyFans.
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^Nope, that hasn't been discussed yet.
I don't remember who he got inappropriate with, but I remember that being one those names.
Is there really no one else in pornifornia that knows how to set lighting and shoot video? Absolutely can't begrudge women for going onlyfans-only. Studios don't want to provide comfortable environments. Smh
Same thing with Stills by Alan, although I remember the situation was clariffied at the end. What means is that Ricky Greenwood is not going to direct more scenes if Craven is now involved. Pretty sad his lose, because it seems that he's not going to direct more G/G features in the time soon.
Craven, Stills By Alan, and there was another director that Emma Hix talked about years ago that did inappropriate things to her. I remember she posted a vid on twitter about it visually crying and shaken up. Again I say I dont blame these performers just doing their own thing on OF or their platform period. This industry is corrupt imo. There are so many things we dont know about bc performers try to keep quiet about it. But there are so many things that have been said that is so sad to hear. Yet these corrupt directors still get hired and these corrupt male talents still get hired and put these female performers in terrible situations. Not to mention the people who support these corrupt directors and male talents. Again it just is so sad.
Yeah, I remember that days. First Alan, then Craven and also some performers. Many of the female talent working in Gamma Films left after that and it was a bunch of them. Angela White, Kristen Scott, Jenna Sativa, Shyla Jennings, Adriana Chechik, Abigail Mac, Jenna Foxx... I read many of them denouncing all the silence involving this scandals. It was terrible and it says a lot many of these directors and male talent are still working in the industry. Really discouraging.
^Another interesting thing is the handful of girls who only seem to be doing G/G (or working at all) with Stills By Alan and his various sites since the scandal. Girls Like:
Alex De La Flor Milana Ricci Alix Lynx Catalina Ossa Judy Jolie Kyler Quinn
^ they might have left for a while, but if you check who of them has worked with him for girlgirl.com or sheseducedme.com you'd see those type of protests rarely last long in this business.
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^^Kyler Quinn at least works with Ricky Greenwood. She's been in a couple of recent scenes of his for company sites.
Sera Rhyder on twitter asked "if you know someone has been outted as an abuser/r*pist why do you continue to work with them?" She then said "yes the typical paid scenes, you have no money, blah blah blah ok sure I can see why, but content? You're paying to uber to their house? and you're fucking them for free? REPEATEDLY!!! sounds like you dont believe women to me."
I found her question and take on it to be interesting. I believe in the same thing too. I believe either those dont believe that the allegations are true or those dont think since it didnt happen to them its ok to still shoot content. Bc I honestly know of many performers who have been outted and I still see them shooting content with others even mainstream. Definitely for onlyfans and it just blows my mind how anyone who knows this person allegations would still risk shooting with them. Thats just me. But Im glad Sera asked that question and hopefully more and more performers will actually respond to it and give their opinions on it.
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Sera is becoming one of my faves. She does come off as kinda take-no-shit or at least growing into that, and I love that for her and as a fan. There needs to be more like her.
Evelyn Claire seemed close to calling someone out yesterday too. They've gotta start doing it. They get alot of grief from the general public, so porn should be fun in all other aspects. The folks that try to make porn uncomfortable/creepy for the performers should be dealt with pretty handily, in my opinion. I can barely deal with the creepier fans as a fan. I couldn't imagine dealing with shitty people who are actually performers. That's gotta be infuriating.
^ I have to see more of Sera. I think I saw her in a SHV scene with Kayla Paige. Id like to see more from her as she really didnt jump out at me. I know she did a GFF scene with Syren De Mer but it seemed like a bdsm type scene so I never checked it out bc its not my type of scene. But I do like girls who have that type of attitude. Thats why Im a huge fan of Lacy and Gianna. They arent afraid to speak their mind about anything. They will call people out if need be. And I do get that performers in the industry dont like to spill everything out in the open but I do feel like when it comes to "snakes in the grass" if you will, then those people need to be put on blast. Not just for other performers to know to beware of them but us fans so we wont continue to support them thinking they are clean but really they are abusers who have done plenty of girls wrong.
So to me I want to hear girls come out and give names. Im a fan of Evelyn but I dont want "almost calling someone out" she need to call them out. I get that she might feel if she does it could ruin her standing in the industry and I get most girls think that way and thats why they dont say anything. Im under the impression though that those girls will have more supporters and people having their back than those who will be against them if they speak out. And also thats the only way the industry will get better is for people to be outted and shun if they cross any lines.
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Posted - May 19 2022 : 10:17AM
God, Dana DeArmond asking the most braindead question. Everybody knows who the abusers are and I'm sure she knows exactly who these people are. She trying to play dumb and start shit.
Dana is Dana and that's why I love about her. I know she knows and within the industry a lot of them know. It's really only the newer ones who don't know.
Hi fellow Lesbian/Girl-Girl Porn lovers. I have subscribed to a couple of lesbian porn sites with various experiences. Most recent one was AdultTime, with its sub-websites like Girlsway, Mommy's Girl and All Girl Massage, to name a few. I love the intense performance in many of the scenes (don't mind the heavy moaning - porn is entertainment after all), but there are also a lot of stuff that I don't like, such as squirting (which is so obviously fake), incest-related scenes and more and more girls growing their bush. So, I was hoping for some help in finding a quality girl-girl website that suits my preferences.
Let me list some of my favorites: Big boobs Shaved pussies Multiple orgasms Announced orgasms, like "I'm gonna cum" and "I'm cumming" Side-by-side masturbation (especially if the scene ends this way with simultaneous orgasms aahh) Simultaneous orgasms
That was a lot to take into account hahaha (sorry for that).
I'm looking forward to hearing your suggestions, and let me know if you agree with me or not.
Yeah Dana has shown her ass multiple times (and not in the good way) on the topic of abusers in porn, so this is definitely par for the course with her. I've lost count of the number of times she's publicly attacked female performers on social media whenever a male performer gets exposed as an abuser. One would think that an industry veteran of her tenure would have matured even just a little bit by now.
In terms of getting the most bang for your buck, and meeting the criteria above: I'd probably say start with Girlfriends Films. They have a huge archive, and there are no shortage of large breasted scenes with mutual/side-by-side masturbation (along with those other things you mentioned). There's been some deserved criticism of a dip in quality over the last 2-3 years, but you wont find another website with the kind of catalogue they have in terms of passionate lesbian content.
What are your thoughts on Molly Cavalli? She was a G/G only back in the day but only for Reality Kings.
I ask bc I ran across her account on Twitter and thought about some of her scenes back in the day. I was wondering what y'all thought about her and her scenes and if you miss her still shooting mainstream?
I for one really wish performers like her would've shot for more companies while she was in the industry. Idk how different Julia Ann career would've been had she not moved on from Vivid but one thing I know is when I discovered her it was when she shot for GFF and I loved her instantly. Then I one day went back to see her work for Vivid and it wasn't even close to her work for GFF and other companies she shot for moving forward. And even Julia said it herself on the Holly Randall podcast how she didn't stay with Vivid bc she wanted to go shoot with other companies and with other performers bc there were so many that she wanted to shoot for and with. So that's how I feel about performers like Molly. I wish she would've shot for other companies although she did shoot with plenty of different performers.
UltraFilms does it again, consistently producing high quality lesbian lovemaking, scene after scene. This time it features two angelic young ladies, Alissa Foxy and Kelly Collins. This was just about perfect - you get ALL the views, long lasting full body ones (including being able to see both their perfect feet at your leisure) to the best closeups in the business, I do believe (and meaningful ones, not fleeting). Pacing is superb as it unfolds at a leisurely pace with Alissa leading the pairing, building Kelly's arousal for many minutes at scenes begin with kissing, nipple worship, labia massage, neck kissing (really enjoyed Kelly's reactions during the first few minutes whenever Alissa would kiss her neck). No caterwauling, keening, mewling, humming or other forms of PPP, the soundscape is delightful. Do yourselves a favor and check this one out. Epitome of Sensuality
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Good ol' Muffia, the precursor to the good era of WeLiveTogether.
^ I've seen plenty of not just Molly work but Muffia scenes as well. It's ok. Do you remember Kristen Cameron and Brianna Ray? Milf Next Door?
I would say easily GFF work back then and even the work Nica Noelle did for SHV and Girl Candy Films were better than Reality Kings stuff.
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I'm almost certain I have never seen Milf Next Door. That might be right before my time.
The height of all those sites to me were equal. Plenty of scenes where it looked like the chemistry lined up and the performers were actually aroused a bit, if they didn't cum outright, in all of those brands. Honestly, though I am partial to WeLiveTogether. Content today kinda forgets to be about sex way too often for my tastes. Bring back graphic lesbian porn with 0% goofiness, 0% pretentiousness, and less than 5% glam.
Also, today it's like did women become worse at pretending to get off, less attracted to the same sex, or both? Cause it's not the same as those GFF/WeLiveTogether/SHV. The heights are still pretty high, but I would say scenes that reach the heights are rare/rarer. I feel like performers in those days were a little more willing as far as trying to get a good fuck in. Now it's all about the "story".
It's like "I read Playboy for the articles", but on really powerful steroids. The effort in the sex part is minimal compared to the past. *Edit: in most scenes. I made it sound like there is absolute 0 good porn. Lol
Molly had the quitessential bleach blonde, fake boobs porn star look. She was a decent performer. 2 better performers, S Rhodes & M Morgan, followed her at RK & enjoyed better direction as well. Would I like to see her return? It's OK by me, but doubtful.
You have inspired me to undertake a big project! So here it is, in honor of Freya Parker and the potential return of classic Mason.
In anticipation of this new video, I will do a rewatch of the latest "classic" Mason movie that I can find (I take it you mean the Club 59 days). According to ADT, the last one is Girl Crush 3 (released on 2/13/2013). Unfortunately I do not have access to that. The one I do have access to is the one before that -- Dani (released on 5/23/2012). It's in fact the winner of 2013 AVN Best All-Girl Release. Remarkably, this is almost exactly 10 years old. As it is so old, I can't just assume everyone will be familiar with it. If anyone doesn't know, suffice to say during those 2-3 years (2010-2013), about 10 g/g movies came out of Elegant Angel under the "Club 59" imprint, primarily directed by Mason. They arguably look and feel like nothing that came before it, and nothing since. No, this is definitely not one of those "back in my day" conversations. This is just meant to be a Mason refresher.
For the uninitiated, below is a clumsily made collage of the five women involved. Starting from the bottom left and going clockwise, they are Veronica Avluv, Dani Daniels, Skin Diamond, Georgia Jones, and Holly Michaels.
Note that this movie had already been viewed on ADT by multiple reviewers. Also note that this is what I consider a "rewatch" not a "review" since my comments will be more about my overall impressions rather than specific opinions about specific parts of the scene. In addition, there's no plot/setup at all, so there's no line to match to a screenshot. So all of them will be a "photodump" of all the screenshots I find interesting. I will just be offering some general commentaries.
Due to the number of screenshots, I will split this post into four parts, one for each scene.
Scene 1. Dani Daniels, Georgia Jones
Overall the scene quality is certainly what kids today will call S-tier. It may be the most "vanilla" of all the scenes -- there's a "minimalist" air to everything (in movement, in sound), yet one can witness the pleasure in every desperate kiss and hard exhalation. This makes it perhaps the most unique scene in the movie.
There are quite a few very interesting things about this scene. I'm not saying they are what made the scene great (there's no one right way to have sex, and there is no one right way to film sex; in fact other scenes in this video will make this clear), but they do stand out to me as rather different from many more modern productions. In no particular order:
- No distinct foreplay phase. They go almost directly into oral sex. But then during "breaks" they will do all the sort of things that are typically considered foreplay.
- No penetrative sex. Sex consists almost entirely of oral and some rubbing (by finger or thigh). Even finger-penetration is absent.
- Very quiet. There are certainly vocalizations of gasps, moans. But overall it's very subdued, even during orgasms.
- No closeup of the vagina during oral sex. There is not even any "requirement" for a clear shot -- the camera doesn't seem to care much if the view is obstructed.
- Dani firmly rubs herself against Gerogia's thigh, but there's no attempt at tribbing (if tribbing is defined as genital-to-genital contact).
- The scene is not short, but also not that long: from the time kissing starts until it fades to black, it's about 35 minutes. As a reference, for the latest two GFF movies that I've reviewed, the equivalent time is about 40-45 minutes.
Edited by - blackdragontea on 5/20/2022 8:10:26 PM
This is about scene 2 of Dani Scene 2. Dani Daniels, Holly Michaels
I would say this scene is just as good as the first one, which surprised me because Holly is certainly not as well known as Georgia Jones as a g/g performer. Most of the things I said about Scene 1 still hold true, with the following exceptions/modifications.
- Both do penetrate each others with two fingers vigorously, though relatively briefly.
- Face-sitting is a much bigger component, especially with Holly sitting on Dani's face. In fact, she vigorously rubs herself against Dani's mouth. But Dani would get her "revenge" later by holding onto Holly's thighs, "clamping" her mouth onto Holly's pussy and not let go. Once again, the camera just couldn't care less if the oral sex during this is obscured.
- Tribbing is briefly attempted at the end, though mostly it was still not genital-on-genital.
This is about scene 3 of Dani Scene 3. Dani Daniels, Skin Diamond
Interestingly, it seems to me, each scene is less "minimalist" and a bit "harder" than the previous one. If so, is this intended?
- On the initial screenshot with Skin's back to the viewer in front of two paintings: in the interview with Dani at the end of the previous scene, she mentioned that she was an amateur painter and an avid art lover.
- Dani is still trying to keep quiet, but Skin is a more vocal girl. They both finger each other hard and tribbing also plays a much more prominent role.
- Once again Dani proves masterful at having other girls sitting on her face. I've wondered before how you can get a good camera angle for that. She and Mason have shown that sometimes you should just stop worrying and learn to love the obscured angle, as long as the girl on the bottom is genuinely having a feast, and the girl on top is genuinely loving every second of it.
This is about scene 4 of Dani Scene 4. Dani Daniels, Veronica Avluv
Let's talk opening for a moment: it's really interesting that they are all quite different. The 2nd and 3rd scene with Holly and Skin play out like the typical "porn" opening, with a long "tease" sequence where the women dress very sexily and pose with each other. The first scene with Georgia is quite different: Dani is dressed like a flasher (big sunglasses, trenchcoat, with nothing underneath) who walks into a hotel room, where the startling beautiful Georgia is in bed dressed in a relatively modest nightgown (not really lingerie) waiting for her. Upon reflection, it looks almost like a married couple deciding to rekindle the flame by playing out a mildly kinky fantasy -- again quite fitting with the most "naturalistic" scene of the whole movie.
Here it's again totally different. This one opens with an interview where both talk about their first time experience with a woman (another note on the interview: the interviewer is silent; we learn the question from the answers -- I find this to be a very appealing approach). It turns out for both it was with an older, more experienced woman. Then we jump into foreplay and sex, no tease at all.
- As appropriate (Veronica being older), unlike the previous three scenes, Dani takes a bit of backseat (at least at the beginning) at receiving pleasure.
- This is clearly the "hardest" scene of the four. There is some tribbing, but mostly it's Veronica using her fingers and tongue on Dani with no mercy. It looks like at least twice Dani has to take a pause because she was too sensitive. Also here she finally gets loud (who can blame her?) But Dani does try to give as good as she gets.
- Another characteristic of the scene, which in fact applies to the other three as well, is that it doesn't feel like there's a defined sequence of positions. I'm sure they talk about it in general terms before filming starts, but it just feels like they go through various positions at their own whim, very often ending up repeating the same positions whenever they feel like it.
- Once again, capturing the perfect angle is repeatedly sacrificed for capturing the moment of sexual excitement.
Well there you have it. Let's see if the new scene will look like any of the above (again note that the above four scenes are NOT all the same, with the sharpest contrast between the first and last scene).
Edited by - blackdragontea on 5/20/2022 8:08:43 PM
^^ I feel like Jill or no female need to have to explain themselves as to why they dont want to shoot certain content? I never get so called fans who pressure or constantly harass a performer to shoot certain content. Its really creepy to me when so called fans do that.
Yeah I get what you mean lol. How much of it do you feel has to do with girls just not being seasoned enough in the industry? Or could it be you just not seeing enough of some of the girls? I saw that bc I feel like its that way with me. For example, I was watching a GFF scene with Aften Opal and Honey Hayes. Both girls are new to me as Ive only seen one scene of both of them. I skimmed through the scene bc they just didnt do anything for me. I wouldnt say it was a bad scene but more so of me just not used to seeing them so it will take me some time to warm up to them if I ever do. Bc the one scene I saw with Honey was with the scene she did with Serene and I thought the scene was really hot. Then the one scene I saw with Aften was a Girlsway scene with Nikole Nash another first timer for me and I felt the exact same way about that scene as I did with Aften and Honey. I skimmed through it too. But thats just me.
Back in the day GFF used to have classics alot bc of who was regularly in their scenes. Then one day they decided to just start pouring in a ton of fresh faces at once and they still have tons of fresh faces regularly. For me I felt great with still have regulars sprinkled in with fresh faces. I do know fans was really wanting GFF to get fresh faces and they definitely listened but it was at a cost on losing performers like Magdalene who btw didnt want to stop shooting for GFF they just stopped booking her bc they were going in another direction.
When it comes to SHV many people point to it going down when Dana Vespoli took over. I can sorta agree. Nica Noelle was great for SHV. Even when she did a one off movie "A Mother's Secret" you can tell the biggest difference in Dana direct movies at that time and Nica direct movie. Then once Dana stopped directing and Ricky took over you can tell how better it got but the best was clearly when Nica was director.
^^ Thats true. And that is what bugs me. Some fans act like she has never done B/G. They can still go back and watch plenty of her B/G scenes. She is at a place in her life where she dont want to shoot B/G and those who want to see her do B/G need to respect her decision not to do so. It just comes across as some no really caring about her as a human but rather only what she does in scenes and that doesnt set well with me.
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^^^As a GG fan primarily and only, the concept of having to ask a performer to do something sexually sounds like a setup for failure. Like, I don't care how hot your body is, I don't want to see you fuck women if that visibly isn't your thing or you aren't gung-ho about the idea. I saw an ethereally beautiful performer put out the most amazing acting in a porn last month. Scale of 1-10, her acting was a 21...except the sex was pretty hesitant and reluctant so the whole thing was almost a waste.
Lezfan, maybe arrogantly, I don't think it's a case of not having seen these new performers enough. I think I can tell if they are game by the third scene at max lol.
I think part of what happened is we have lost a lot of talent. Our bomb-ass twenty-somethings from the early 2010s who should be our bomb-ass 30-somethings leading the genre have all moved on. I am very glad for them really, but they are missed. WHERE IS GEORGIA??? lol
But part of it with the new girls is direction. The directors mostly lean into cornyness. They aren't helping to create more Georgias and Danis, but really pushing for the total opposite. And the girls who could be the new Georgias and Danis can't live on just GG, sadly.
Still, I bring it back to directing. Which is part of why we need classic Mason to help us encourage woman-on-woman love. No BS, no creeper plots trying to make them uncomfortable, no exhaustive scripted lines. Just back-to-basics, have-fun-with-another-girl sex. In my opinion.
