^^^ Megan Vaughn did a scene for that site as well...most of her fanbase took what she said seriously and had turned on her(part of the reason why she now sticking to webcam shows only)
Love your work EL TEA! Off topic but profile pic of you with the headphones and microphone....did you used to DJ or something lol. Just wondering http://www.hotmovies.com/porn-star/11955/L-T-.html
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Posted - May 27 2015 : 1:40AM
But LT the difference between her and the white chicks is the white chicks actually WORK with white dudes...so what they say really doesn't matter. That chick DOES NOT work with Black men therefore what is one meant to think? Also the video i posted was BTS so the comment won't be in the actual scene bro.
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Posted - May 27 2015 : 1:58AM
^ I think what he is trying to say is that just because something is labeled as "BTS" doesn't mean that it is inherently some candid "honest" moment. Some BTS clips are just as scripted (or more) as the scene they are attached to. Even if it isn't scripted performers are still often aware that they have a certain image to maintain. (because evidently for some people it isn't enough to enjoy a scene for what it is they have to be completely immersed to the point they think everyone involved is making a lifestyle statement... but to each his own) ie. You might be reading too much into it.
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Posted - May 27 2015 : 2:24AM
Even if that were true...her record in the industry appears to comply with her statement. So in essence my point is valid anyway.
So when an industry insider supports a statement well it's Truth , when he doesn't well doesn't count is that what it is? I also remember a BTS with a little argument between Wesley Pipes and Charlie Macc , at one point Wesley said something about white girls being better and Charlie argued with him, Wesley said : hey it's dogfart, it's for the show! Charlie made a gesture with his arm and left. In another BTS Wesley about a big dicked former BF of Jessica Ryan said that "Italians are niggers" (his words) and then Jessica replied: he was Sicilian and Wes : they're niggers an extremely hot black actress said she was a real life white only because no black ever hit on her... This about the BTS at dogfart They should call them BST BullShit Tales , they're part of the show and you guys should believe them the way you believe a man with a red cap who can fly , I do until I get out of the theatre
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Posted - May 27 2015 : 12:08PM
If she wasn't part of the new trend of black women who refuse to shoot with black men then of course this conversation wouldn't be happening. But the fact that SHE IS makes her words much more profound than if Teanna Trump had said it. But that's just my opinion on the matter.
^ The point here is that Dogfart's BTS aren't evidence of any kind. most of them are staged and part of the show , LT here already spoke against those "sistas" who don't perform with blacks , yet intervened to say exactly that, that interview on that BTS cannot be taken into consideration. About Adrian Maya I'm not familiar with her work, she's very new , I think she's in the business less than a year , how many scenes did she shoot? on data18 I can find 22 some of which for IR sites which means that black guys weren't even supposed to be there. that leaves possibly 12 or 15 scenes , too few and too short a career to judge in my view
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Posted - May 27 2015 : 3:13PM
^What about cases in which something said in a BTS is corroborated by evidence outside of the BTS? For example, most of what Alexis Ford said in her BTS interview she also said elsewhere. Adrian Maya said she's not into black guys and, as it so happens, she hasn't shot with any. Your "wait and see" approach is reasonable, but it is also reasonable to believe what Adrian said since her words are actually supported by her current filmography.Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/27/2015 3:14:52 PM
^ many white girls who weren't into black guys worked with them. Judy Star was a real life gold star lesbian who wasn't into guys at all and said she never kissed a man out of porn yet is probably one of the greatest and nastiest performers ever seen. Alexis Ford stayed IR free in porn for 4 or 5 years. Also a BTS on Jules Jordan and the likes is not equal to a staged BTS at dogfart, even though I admit in some cases may be the truth for example about Joslyn James entering in porn following her then boyfriend Jon Jon. But I insist on percentages , not even Prince or Rico Strong or Lex shoot a Black on Black scene every 20 IR
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Posted - May 27 2015 : 3:52PM
^Absolutely, and that's one of the reasons I tend to be suspicious of the "I'm not attracted to black guys" IR excuse, but unlike Judy Star, etc. the pornstar in question hasn't worked with black men. If she had done so, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I don't know if she has a "no blacks" policy, but it's not a radical notion that she does. When I spoke about Alexis Ford's BTS interview, I was referring to her BTS on DogFart, not Jules Jordan. Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/27/2015 3:53:04 PM
^ Well she just stayed consistent with what was said previously
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 5:23AM
The thing is there is no concrete evidence that suggests ALL Dogfart BTS stuff is "staged" though. I mean you like Abby Rain so are we to assume that her talking about being a "Mormon" and working in theatre in her personal life is "fake" because it's bts? Come on man lets not be naive here. The facts as they are right now are simple.. Adriana Maya said without provocation.. "i don't like black men, i'm not attracted to them", and her body of work thus far supports that claim. That's all there is to it.
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 5:55AM
^ You don't know it was without provocation. That's the point. Nobody is saying that every single moment of every single DogFart BTS is staged, but what was said is that some of them are, so unless you know which is which, you can't take any of them at face value. Do you know if that was a "genuine" BTS or a staged one?
^^ Without provocation? What's that supposed to mean' it's a site with black girls fucking white boys only , the very same opposite to black on blondes or Glory Hole , the provocation is implied , Adrian Maya has two scenes at dogfart one is a glory hole where she fucks a random white guy, the other is a gang bang with 5 or maybe six white guys scheduled for June 15 , of course she "likes" whites, many stars in there say they prefer whites , of course most of the times isn't true , and when they have a newbie she always say she fucks whites only. Even though not everything is a lie yet the many lie they say makes impossible to say what's true and what's not , an unreliable witness to say the very least.. As for Abbey yes I like her and I may believe she's almost a Mormon , but she also said at least three times she's a liar or better she said she's a very good liar , so... Anyway I believe it's true she did her very first scene in porn for a guy who hired her for three scenes more just after that, I've seen it at Casting Couch HD it was Tee Reel and she was fantastic in all the scenes she did (as Pen or Penelope) I was basically hooked to her since her first.
IWatchUSmash if you hate Adriana so much then just stop following her instead of acting like a creepy stalker. It's bad enough that you're one of those race-card trolls but adding this obsession on top of that is even more unhealthy. And don't think it doesn't affect the rest of us because if the likes of you keep harassing these girls about it it might affect their willingness to perform in the industry, somebody earlier said that that's what happened to Megan Vaughn which is a real shame. Edited by - 2bollocks on 5/28/2015 6:30:57 AM
^ Those who keep harassing those girls just say it, either you do what WE THINK it's to be done or get the fuck out of the business , so what you just said won't undermine their resolve in the least actually they prefer that, it's an Ethnic Cleanse what they are doing , it's all based on races. It's all focused on black males. Any girl in the industry in their minds is there for the taking There's no reasoning with most of them they're as fanatics as a Taliban they don't need solid evidences , faith is all they need They're no different from those asking for Anals double anals , DP , gang bangs and so on -Hi I'm New Cummer , I'm here to salute I just enetered in porn. -when will you do a Double anal with Mandingo and Lex? -hi when will you di a gangbang? -hi welcome are you going to get fisted some day? Edited by - LCF on 5/28/2015 6:42:17 AM
You're comparing the simple act of having sex with a black man with gangbangs, fistings, and getting DP'd by Mandingo and Lex? Hilarious. (even funnier though, some of these chicks are more likely to suck off 10 white dudes and have them all jack off on their face before they have sex with a black man, unless the price is very, very right, or their career's are winding down) What an industry.
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 1:39PM
LOL, I could actually imagine Proxy Paige or Roxy Raye at least attempting this. If Linda Sweet visits the US, she might be willing to give it a try too.
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 1:45PM
What a load of CRAP!!.. 1. i don't "follow" her and haven't seen a single scene or her. I saw her on the bts, looked at her scene list over here and that's IT!!..so please get your damn facts right if you want to bark at people 2. "Race card"? by simply asking why black women are turning their backs on BLACK porn? LOL you really sound desperately naive with rather stupid after that statement. 3. There's nothing wrong with pointing out how certain females feel about a particular demographic of men...am i tweeting them? NO, am i emailing them? NO!!..i'm merely discussing the issue on a PORN DISCUSSION FORUM!!..if you don't like it then that's your business, not mine. Edited by - iwatchusmash on 5/28/2015 1:53:10 PM
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 1:48PM
How many white girls who have NEVER worked with a white man has openly said on the dogfart bts.. "i don't like white men, I'm not attracted to them"? Please enlighten me LCF seeing as you seem to think this kind of behaviour is common place on the dogfart bts. I await your results with keen interest.
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 4:08PM
It doesn't matter how many have or haven't done that because it's already been noted that DogFart BTS (as well as others) are often staged. Even ones that aren't scripted still have performers that are "staying in character" in order to promote themselves. So it doesn't matter if it was 1 or 1,000,000 unless you know if they were legitimately being candid or not. Spoiler: Sometimes performers pander to their audience.
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 4:24PM
Yes it DOES matter!!..because clearly other performers aren't prepared to be as crass as Ms "Maya" was. The bottom line is she said something which is backed up by her actions. If you want to give her the benefit of the doubt and act as if "she was told to say it" then go ahead..but I don't subscribe to that notion and the evidence appears to fall on my side, it's as simple as that.
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 4:55PM
If she has actions to back it up then just make your point based on those actions. What performers say while they are on screen isn't evidence of anything other than their acting ability. And I'm not suggesting anyone told her to say anything. That's certainly possible, and it's also possible that she thought it was something the viewer would want to hear so she said it. She might have thought it might be a little controversial and stir up some internet forum angst to get people talking about her. She might have said it because it's true. We don't really know why she said it, nor do we know the real context of that BTS so that's why logical people will ignore what she's saying. That's what you do when you find a piece of "evidence" is faulty... you ignore it. If you wanted to make a case for what a badass Mike Tyson is, you don't point to the time he punched a guy in "The Hangover" you point to all of the real boxing matches he was in over his career. For all we know that hit in The Hangover may have been real (it happens all the time in moves) but why point to some sketchy piece of proof when there is better evidence out there? If you've got all of this other rock solid proof about who this chick does or doesn't bang, then use that, and leave the damn BTS out of it.
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 5:19PM
Well i like to take people at face value. If a man goes on youtube and says with a jokey grin "i hate dogs and want to hurt one", then the next day you find out that he has a HISTORY of hurting dogs. Are you gonna say, "oh well he was't being serious because he said it with a grin"? I certainly wouldn't because his ACTIONS support the statement he made. Personally if a performer is prepared to make those crass statements then whether she was "serious" or not is neither here nor there. She clearly doesn't care to even gain black male fans and would happily make insensitive comments about that demographic in order to appeal to a vanilla crowd...which is pathetic and incredibly naive imo.
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 5:57PM
Well, you're a gullible rube. Don't know what else to tell ya. People can be and often are deceptive.It's amazing to me how close you are to getting it, but still don't get it. The Youtube comments don't matter because of his ACTIONS. That's the important part. That's the relevant part. That's what you should point to when trying to prove that the guy likes to hurt dogs. If I wanted to make a thing about Brad Pitt smoking, I wouldn't point to him smoking in Fight Club because he's performing in that movie. It isn't really him you're seeing. That's how performances work... people pretend to be other people, and do things that they don't necessarily do off screen. Not everything you see on TV and on the internet is a documentary. If I wanted to make a case for Brad Pitt smoking, I would point to the numerous documented occasions where he was seen smoking off screen as proof that he smokes. Never would I even think of mentioning his performance if Fight Club because it is completely irrelevant. You seem hung up on the BTS scenes because there is some level of uncertainty about them, yet that's the very reason they should be ignored. You're saying "Fuck it, I have no idea if she's performing or not, so I'm just going to assume she's being genuine" and you can't just do that. If you have proof outside of the BTS then you don't need the BTS so I can't for the life of me figure out why you insist on holding it up as proof of anything. If you're using it as proof that your assertion of someone being a "dodger" of some sort, then you're engaging in the most obvious example of circular reasoning I've seen in a decade. (hint: You can't say "I know X is true because of Y and I know that Y is true because of X"Not everybody makes their jerkoff decisions based on what some chick says in a BTS interview. If you do, good for you, but don't assume that's how everybody decides what porn to watch. Plenty of people do it based on looks and or performance. If you found her remarks offensive and you want to let it influence what you watch, that's great. Yank your crank to whatever floats your boat man.
But if someone says they like blue shirts and are wearing one right infront of your face shouldn't you BELIEVE them? Or because people can be "deceptive" his own words must be doubted?SIGH!!..so all bts are "fake" in your world and the girl in question who says.. "i don't like black men", shouldn't be taken seriously even though she DOESN'T work with black men? You're right...i don't "get" you at all.So again i'll ask is everyone lying in their bts interviews then? and if not how can you separate who's lying and who isn't? The BTS is merely confirmation of something that he RECORD suggests...isn't that simple to comprehend?There are two things that support my argument though. 1. She said she doesn't like black men 2. She's never worked with a black man Apples are apples and oranges are oranges buddy.Like i mentioned before i DON'T watch her scenes and never have...i just don't understand why she would be so crass against a certain demographic for no reason whatsoever!!..If she likes white men then great!!..shout it from the rooftops if you like...but don't put down black men in the process, that's all.
For whatever it's worth, Adrian did say on twitter a while back that she plans to shoot with black men. So maybe there's credence in the opinion that she's playing up to the WM/BW ir audience; or maybe she meant what she said, but will put preference aside like most pros do. (in almost all their scenes) Either way, some of you are taking this instance/argument way too seriously.
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 8:08PM
It's reasonable to assume that a person wearing a blue shirt likes blue shirts. What that person says is really immaterial. If that same person wearing a blue shirt says they don't like blue shirts, should you believe them? The point isn't that sometimes people lie, the point is in a BTS (which is what we're talking about here) people are known to be still "performing" (aka not being candid/honest) which makes it an inherently unreliable source. If you want to make assumptions based on what the performer has actually done, go right ahead, but making those same assumptions based on what they say in a BTS (which again I will remind you that's what we're talking about and is very very different from just talking to a person on the street, for reasons outlined many, many times already) then I think you're being kind of obtuse.No, I never said that, in fact I was very cleary about saying the contrary. Some BTS are real. That isn't the point though. There are two things that make BTS scenes inherently unreliable: 1) SOME of them are staged/scripted, and others are still performers aware they are performing for their audience (thus portraying what they think the audience wants to see/hear) 2) We have no way of knowing what BTS scenes are candid and which ones aren't Without knowing if something is a reliable source you can't just assume it's reliable because you want to . That's not how the world works. If you want to make a case why you know a particular scene is candid, then do so, but don't do it with bullshit circular logic. (which is what you have continued to do thus far)No and I NEVER suggested they were. But keep throwin up that strawman and I'll keep knockin it down.I can't. Neither can you. THAT'S THE POINT!It's called circular reasoning which is a logical fallacy. (that's big boy words for what you're doing is bullshit)You're argument is she doesn't like to work with black guys because she doesn't like to work with black guys. If #2 doesn't prove your point by itself, then adding #1 doesn't help because the only reason to believe #1 is #2. That's called circular reasoning. Not sure how many times I have to explain that to you. Yet you've gone out of your way in this thread (and several others) specifically LOOKING FOR things to offend your delicate sensibilities. You aren't content to have porn that you like and conforms to your idea of what porn should be, you're on a crusade to make all porn fit you your liking.
OK people need to calm down in here. Cut down on the insults. See the ADT forum etiquette - "Adult DVD Talk is a Friendly Community. Treat fellow posters as neighbors. Please be respectful of each other and each other's threads. If what someone has posted angers you, wait until you calm down before you respond or simply don't respond."
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 10:30PM
Well clearly you've failed to fathom my whole point all along..i already said i'm judging her on her words AND HER ACTIONS!!..if she'd just have said that bs on bts alone but had worked with black men before then perhaps you'd have a point...but she hasn't and that COUPLED with what was said on that bts is why i'm asking questions.Yes but then you also CANNOT ASSUME IT ISN'T RELIABLE because you want to!!..it works both ways. The fact is i'm also coming forth with her record which backs up what she actually SAID!!.You're not "knocking" nothing down buddy...you're DODGING it.But then my point is BACKED UP BY HER RECORD!!..what's your point backed up by? nothing but your own notion...that's it.No it's called added 2 and 2 together and getting FOUR!!.LOL you can bring forth your "circular" crap all day...my argument remains the same. She SAID what she said and thus far her record comply's with those words. Simple.If you don't like my posts you're welcome to digress them. Ain't no-one asking you to READ or RESPOND to them.
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Posted - May 28 2015 : 10:47PM
^ If you want to point to her actions, that's fine. No one is questioning that. (at least I'm not) but you're trying to use her words to reinfoce that, and those words don't have any meaning unless you then circle back to her actions. Which means I have to agree that the actions are a valid reason on their own (which I do) which then makes the BTS stuff wholly unnecessary. If I didn't think that her actions stood on their own, then her statements in the BTS (which rely on her actions for any credibility) aren't going to change that. So regardless of which side of the fence someone is on the BTS stuff makes no difference. It logically can't convince someone without the actions you point to, and if they trust the actions to reinforce the BTS statements, then you don't need the BTS statements. Tada! circular reasoning! (with a sprinkle of begging the question) You're not adding 2+2 to get 4. You're adding 2+0 to get 2. That's fine but you might as well just drop the 0 and say you have 2. But to circle back to the pointless BTS discussion, I'm not assuming it's unreliable. I'm stating I don't know if it is or it isn't so I'm not going to consider it reliable. It may be reliable, but if I don't know that, I'm not going to assume it is. If I fell down that slippery slope I'd believe everything everyone told me and all my appliances and electronics would have extended warranties and I'd be an idiot. Instead I require proof of some sort before I believe anything, especially from random strangers.
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Posted - May 29 2015 : 6:00AM
Well you think she's lying in the BTS and i think she's being truthful due to how she's operated thus far!!..fair enough? so lets just agree that that's where we both stand on the issue and move on. Because clearly we're not gonna agree on this subject.
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Posted - May 29 2015 : 7:16AM
No. No. A THOUSAND TIMES NO! I don't think she's lying. The difference between my stance and yours is I'm not pretending to know if she's being honest. You are. So let's leave it at that.
Not at all, I'm comparing the fanatic behaviour of some niche customers Also many regular B/G consumers do the same with Lez only performers to the point to storm against a star who said she won't work with she-males and some cannot accept such "discriminations" because for them she-males are girl even though they have indeed a dick which is what the lesbian performer disagreed to interact with. Fanaticism was my subject nothing else
He said it betterI don't know how else explain this, it is staged they play a character there are lines to be acted , most of the times they are watching a board out of sight with the line they have to say. Also I don't think there's a single white actress who had never worked with a white man , furthermore in the case of the white girls they play more the role as cheaters over a cuckold white man , so the preference is implied
Stacie Lane, Teanna Trump, Harley Dean, Porsha Carrera, Tori Taylor, Yasmine De Leon, Mia Austin, Nikki Ford, Serena Ali, Chanell Heart. Above is a list of 10 performers that have done black-on-black scenes within the last year. My personal favorite of all of them right now is Teanna, btw. Harley isn't too far behind, either. Moreover, girls like Cassidy Banks, Adrian Maya, and Nadia Jay have publicly planned to do black-on-black scenes eventually. Whether any of it happens or not, we'll see, threadstarter.
F'king LOL, you've nearly exhausted all of the go-to buzz words & phrases in these series of posts, 2bollocks.
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Posted - May 29 2015 : 4:10PM
This is what gets me about self-appointed IR watchdogs, like yourself...you have no interest in the girl but yet you feel the need to spend hours talking/complaining about the girl for committing what you perceive as some grave offense against black male performers.
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Posted - May 29 2015 : 4:16PM
Well her record TELLS ME she's being honest. That's the whole point. But i agree lets leave it at that.
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Posted - May 29 2015 : 4:18PM
Yep like i thought...you can't come up with any but yet this stuff it meant to be "common place" on BTS?..yeah ok buddy.
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Posted - May 29 2015 : 4:21PM
SMH you still hanging around? "self appointed IR watchdog" when THIS IS ABOUT BLACK PORN? LOL your post seem to get more frivolous by the day.
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Posted - May 29 2015 : 4:21PM
Yes. Thanks to IWatchUSmash for bringing this ebony delight to our attention.
There's no scene these performers could put out that could match the heightened & exalted spot you place them at when they're not available for what you're interested in.
Posted - May 26 2015 : 10:18PM
Yet you've gone out of your way in this thread (and several others) specifically LOOKING FOR things to offend your delicate sensibilities. You aren't content to have porn that you like and conforms to your idea of what porn should be, you're on a crusade to make all porn fit you your liking.
